https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YlkCv2Ns54
>vwestlife, youtuber that already proved Windows is faster than linux, is now going to answer the claims that windows is only faster than linux on a fresh installation and that windows gets incredibly slower over time.
>It turns out that Windows doesn't get any slower during years of use (apart from shutdown)
>pic related
Don't worry freetards we can still be friends if you want, after all not everyone need to use the best performing family of OS.
So now please put down that knife, get down from that window and remove the rope from your neck.
>>52102073
I recall the name from somewhere.
Is this the same fag that claimed that Digital/VHF Radio was inferior to Stereo Mediumwave?
Linuxfags KNOW their shit doesn't work
They use it for the philosophy behind it, not for its performance
Everybody here knows Windows is faster than Linux.
Linux users are too dumb to manage their software installs and don't know how to avoid bloating their shit up so they need a retard safe platform that limits them to basically zero possibilities of using any software at all.
>>52102073
>50 seconds to start in 2006
Someone was doing it wrong.
My grandmother's Netburst Celeron would boot in 20 seconds.
This thread sure convinced me to burn all my Linux HDDs and make a clean installation of Windows. The scales have fallen from my eyes, thank you OP, you're my new savior. Please keep making threads like this, you will definitely convince everyone to do what you tell them.
>>52102073
Dude what ever you post or say cant deny the fact that my GNU+Linux+Xfce boots in 4.87 seconds.
>>52102125
This
>>52102213
welp. my 2006 laptop needed ~1min 40s to boot.
>>52102073
holy fucking shit anon i didn't realize i MUST uninstall linux and install windows immediately because of some fucking faggot PROVING THAT WINDOWS HAS THE FASTER BOOT TIME
For those who missed the old videos:
>Is Linux faster than Linux?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Taq3KIco8mk
>spoiler: windows is way faster in everything but shutting down
>b-but linux was slower only because you installed it after windows meaning that it has been installed in a less accessible part of the hard disk
>Does dual booting make Linux slower?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb_VRXyIZes
>spoiler: no.
The problem is that GNU/Linux users blame their ineptitude with anything other than GNU/Linux on the OS.
It's kind of funny seeing so many of these supposedly really "technically adept" types go all apeshit over people using Windows or OSX. My experience is that it's usually just their ego telling them that "No, you can't be bad at something relating to computers, so it has to be something other than you" to avoid having to admit that they only know how to use GNU/Linux.
Personally I dumped GNU/Linux for Windows around 2007 and after a lot of torture and mental gymnastics tinkering with UNIX stuff in GNU/Linux all my desktops have since then run Windows. At this point GNU/Linux has to me become "That OS the clueless, kids who want to play pretend sysadmin and those who think uploading their dotfiles to github makes them a 1337 programmer". Pretty much all the software I run into, even the obscure stuff like AVR Studio, Matlab, Quartus II, etc., run on Windows and many that are "Linux-only" can be used with cygwin/msys, VM or even built for Windows natively with a cross compiler.
>>52102125
>>52102073
>>52102159
I don't think you understand how systemd works.
>>52102275
>>52102303
he never said that you fucking retards
once again linux users are proven to be sub 80 IQ slack-jawed faggots
>>52102319
>Is Linux faster than Linux?
sorry I meant
>Is Linux faster than Windows?
>>52102319
>windows is way faster in everything
>EVERYTHING
How can you test everything?
I reject the whole 'muh slow' 'muh fast' argument that flies around as it's really dependent on what you use and how.
A ricerfags textmode arch install will take 3s to work from boot, but a vidyababby will definitely find performance issues with their games compared to windows.
But just for the sake of argument, I did a timed comparison on my notebook (I don't run windows on anything else).
It took 50s longer to start up under gnulinux, but everything else was measurably faster. And this is with entirely AMD hardware lacking ganoo drivers.
The windows install is a retail W8.1 recently installed (with nothing else other than start8, firefox and office13), and the gnulinux is an up-to-date arch install running gnome, systemd, gdm on btrfs (bloated by /g/ standards).
bootloader to the login screen:
windows: 16s
gnulinux: 1:03s
login screen to firefox:
windows: 1:06s
gnulinux: 38s
shutdown:
windows: 22s
gnulinux: 7s
I know that GNU/Linux is faster on this machine because using Windows 8 on it is almost unbearable. If I was to use XP, you might find it'd be faster, but I'm not throwing away support for resolutions over 800x600 and security updates because some faggot on the internet thinks that anything without a mouse is too hard for them.
>Comparing a modern Linux distro to Windows XP
>mfw no DOS startup comparison
>>52102073
Muahahaha nice nice windows rules linux eat monkey poo
If you start with a minimal GNU/Linux install and only add the packages you want, startup will be pretty damn fast.
At any rate, the main draw of GNU/Linux is that it's free as in freedom. Windows will never even be OSS let alone FOSS.
>>52102380
This.
I'd love to see it done with Windows 7/8 or 10.
The oldest you could really argue today is Windows Vista (anything older is out of support).
not gonna watch video, but what is considered windows "booted up"? Seeing the login screen? After the disk is done thrashing as you sit there doing nothing on your desktop?
>>52102073
>>52102125
>>52102159
>>52102194
Tell that to my 5-second boot time and instantaneous shutdown in Debian.
Linux is undoubtedly faster than Windows in boot time and shutdown.
It doesn't really matter though, because cawadoody gaymur retards (like the video author and fans) unironically use startup time as a measure of performance.
Feel free to head back to reddit anytime.
>>52102413
Urin is free so drink it
>>52102415
Windows 10 starts up really fast though, even if you disable the "fast startup" mode which is enabled by default.
If anyone wants I can do a quick comparison. Hell, I'll do it anyway.
Honestly, what does boot up/shutdown time matter for any OS as long as it's below a minute?
It's the same for Windows 7 to 8.1-10.
It's only a couple of seconds more saved on an SSD.
>>52102437
>can't tell free beer from free speech
As expected of a typical gaymur fag.
Head back to reddit anytime, bud.
>data dispersed throughout the videos
>no summary of findings anywhere
>tests: startup, shutdown, opening Firefox, burning a CD
what a comprehensive and rigorous study
I wonder why Windows is only used by ~1% of the world's top 500 supercomputers if it's so fast
>>52102413
I forgot to mention that shit in my post here >>52102378
The one thing that I love the most about gnulinux is how flexible it is.
When my monitor died a few years back I just ssh'd in to my desktop via my laptop and could use it like normal. I collected a few pieces of un-backed up work and shut it down safely. If I had been using Windows I would've had to use VNC which is bloated and unreliable.
Same thing when my girlfriend took the day off of work on halloween because she was sick. I just ssh'd in, opened up 'moc' and played spooky music for a laugh.
>>52102441
Starting up your computer isn't the most time important thing you do though.
I've seen the calculator take nearly minutes to load on reasonably decent hardware in Windows 10.
>meanwhile debian is up since 1997 without restart
>>52102380
>>52102415
first comment on the linux vs windows video.
vwest got you covered
>>52102359
Both the people you are replying to are just showing that the video is using a fully flawed metric and is therefore complete nonsense, but you get mad because you don't have enough brain cells to understand irony when you see it.
Keep on lashing out like that, you just make yourself look retarded and give me a good laugh.
IT'S HABBEDIGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>52102490
>startup
And?
What about everything else?
This reply right here pretty much sums up this youtuber and his fanbase.
They have no idea what Linux actually is, just jumping on the bandwagon to get a few more views.
As expected, only the most inept and clueless unironically use startup time as a benchmark.
>>52102520
gamer retards don't know enough about linux to "test" anything other than startup (and still fuck that up)
Here's a gem for you guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pUmmixZtoQ
>>52102441
>Mint 17.3 SD: 5 secs
>Mint 17.3 SU: 9 secs
>W10 SD: 8 secs
>W10 SU: 9 secs
SU = Time from hitting enter in GRUB to getting a login prompt (GRUB itself adds ~1 sec)
SD = Time from hitting "shut down" to the power LED turning off
Seems like the whole thing is silly since we're talking a 1-3 second difference. When I had Debian with only the packages I chose installed, startup time was almost definitely faster though. Mint feels slower overall than Debian.
>>52102584
>"DAE le gem!!!! so fannay xD xD le who agree deposit le upvote here come on its 2015 xD le gem!!!!"
Back to le reddit, nigger.
>>52102490
>fast startup
Is this why you have to wait minutes for Windows to recognise a mouse being plugged in?
Both Linux and the OSX Kernel have no problems having a mouse work within a second of having it plugged in, yet Windows always takes AGES.
>>52102548
Torvalds stole Unix source code though. Check your facts m8.
>>52102073
>caring about boot speed
I will use windows when it stops choking on my HDD for 5 straight minutes after booting. My Linux system stops that shit the minute it is done booting.
>>52102605
You autists are very easy to anger.
>>52102073
>uses third party program ccleaner
>cleans out registry and other crap that does slow down windows over time
>has to defrag hard-drive because ntfs is inferior to other journalled filesystems
>uses xp on a laptop which has proprietary optimized drivers in use compared to generic linux drivers (which are likely more up to date)
>not to mention linux breathes new life in the form of having an up to date system compared to non-supported botnet xp
Why doesn't this guy show us how much faster Windows 95 is? I'll bet 95 fucking owns even his "cool" XP.
Modern Windows under normal usage is unbelievably slow. Installing an SSD can make it approach Linux HDD speeds though
>>52102194
>Linux
>retard safe platform that limits them
Winfags actually believe this
What's your favourite window manager for Windows?
>>52102490
Is he aware that W10 uses a hack that saves a kernel image before shutting down so it can boot faster? That has nothing to do with the actual performance.
>>52102616
>implying UNIX in '91 was the same as UNIX 70s
if he stole anything it was design concepts and system philosophy
>>52102616
Which Unix? Which version? Which piece of source code?
Unless you can quickly and accurately show exactly which lines are copied from an older UNIX-like OS, you aren't any better than OP and his fans.
>>52102479
>I wonder why Windows is only used by ~1% of the world's top 500 supercomputers if it's so fast
Dumb scientists with their book "smarts"
YouTube street smarts > ivory tower book smarts
>>52102630
How clever and original.
Did you think of that le epic comeback all by yourself?
>this kind of thread
It's been a while since I read through one of these.
Thanks for the laughs, windows defense force.
>>52102691
It's pretty ironic of you to say that.
>>52102194
0/10
>>52102714
You don't know what that word means, do you? What exactly is "ironic" here, bud? The most ironic thing here is that you think your own posts are somehow original statements.
>bad OP devolves into an even worse thread
sasuga /g/
>>52102194
>retard safe platform
I guess that is why windows shoves everything in undocumented C:\Windows so that you won't mess up their precious system, while Linux has a well documented FS tree that assumes the user knows what he is doing, and doesn't hide anything away...
>>52102748
Remember what you typed and think about the irony of your replies.
But instead of doing that you'll be too busy making grumpy dumpies and thinking of an "original statements" to keep shitposting with.
>>52102785
>I guess
yeah, you are guessing and u know what, your about as wrong as two boys fucking.
>>52102812
Why would I take computing advice from a redneck?
>>52102842
>redneck
You're guessing again, have you ever been right? even once? in your life? entire life?
>>52102866
>guessing
You couldn't spell "you", and are bothered by gay sex. I didn't have to guess; you are a redneck.
linuxtards confirmed on 24/7 suicide watch
i don't get it
with that windows he proved that windows slows down
>>52102886
I didn't mean to offend your homosexual lifestyle, I'll leave Linux alone for now.
>>52102945
Oh man, you sure got me! I sure am on suicide watch after bringing up a technical point and getting "refuted" by being called homosexual!
You will be glad to know that I was never offended by your insinuation that I fuck men (I am bisexual, I do fuck men), but I did get a good chuckle knowing that this caliber of retard still exists.
>>52102073
>relative gives me an old computer on which I had installed Windows 8 some time ago
>says it runs like shit and takes a long time to load everything
Indeed it did. TiWorker.exe was hogging up the CPU and all the HDD IO.
It doesn't tell you how, why, when, it just does it.
i enjoy using linux
does this frustrate you, op? you reckon you can prove i in fact do not enjoy using linux?
>>52102785
>well documented FS
>assumes the user knows what he is doing
why would you need documentation if users know what they're doing?
>uses ccleaner
>installs SP4
>not straight
>those sticker
>watches EEVblog
he is mentally ill :(
>>52103024
It's fine mate, it doesn't frustrate me at all.
Feel free to keep using linux.
Microsoft will always be there for you if you decide to come back to a faster OS
Embrace the botnet™
>>52103031
>being this stupid.
It is well documented because it assumes that if the user is given information on what goes where, he is smart enough (knows what he is doing) to mess around with said FS without fucking things up.
Windows, in contrast, assumes its user is a retard, so it instead hides everything away, hoping it can scare the user off from mucking with it.
>>52103065
i'll consider it if i ever feel the need to eat shit really fast, thanks
>>52103044
>watches EEVblog
Wait what's wrong with Dave Jones?
Hmmm... That's pretty weird. I recently had to compare Ubuntu and Windows 10 for my college these are the results:
Os installation time (min):
Win10 - 50.57
Ubu - 25.42
Space on disk (GB):
Win10 - 10.12
Ubu - 3.7
Turn on time (sec):
Win10 - 94
Ubu - 67
Mind telling my why my PC behaves this way?
>>52103079
>Windows, in contrast, assumes its user is a retard, so it instead hides everything away, hoping it can scare the user off from mucking with it.
uhmm, if Windows assumes users are stupid wouldn't they have more of a reason to provide documentation?
Windows users are assumed to be stupid but are still given the ability to show system hidden files?
So no documentation is supposed to scare users from messing with stuff?
Magnificently fucking stupid argument anon
>>52103125
You aren't a developer, are you? Docs are always made for the more technically minded, there is no reason to make them for a retard that wouldn't understand them anyways.
>>52102073
Why should I care what an autistic loser has to say about anything?
This guy probably knows less about tech than most of neo-/g/, and that's REALLY saying something.
suggestions for comeback video?
os inst time/size on disk/ startup/shutdown/restart
>>52103125
And you assume because someone assumed that windows' main userbase are drooling retards that there's no developers and more advanced users using it?
Sounds like you're magnificently dumb anon.
>>52103104
cause you're prolly not a fucking retard
Hey guys, I was waiting for a WIndows thread to ask for a suggestion from WIndows users.
What can I do to prevent Microsoft from spying me on Windows 10?
>>52103180
>What can I do to prevent Microsoft from spying me on Windows 10?
never connect to a network
>>52103180
Get Windows 7... I mean XP... I mean Linux.
>>52103180
Put a giant iron rod wrapped in bare copper wire up your arse.
It will stop all the magnetic waves NSA receives to collect data.
>>52103167
uhh, I think you meant to respond to this guy >>52103149
He's the one that's claiming that documentation should be restricted from any OS that can possibly have non-tech savvy people on it for their own safety, using Windows as an example. He's the one saying Microsoft has labeled every last WIndows user incompetent so they deny documentation.
can you install modern linux distro on pc that has no PAE support?
>mfw people don't know shit about anything in this thread
>mfw they're only parroting what they've heard
>>52102426
>Muh Boot Times
If boot/shutdown times are what you prioritize in OS choices, you need to check your priorities over.
>>52103236
>claiming they should be
No, I am saying g they are. The windows FS structure is a giant undocumented mess. That much is fact.
I would prefer windows had better docs, maybe then I could stand using it.
>>52103257
Yes.
>>52103163
I'd say you're wasting your time,
But if you want to do this anyway I'd recommend using debian (might even be XFCE) instead of any ubuntu flavour.
From my experience lubuntu/xubuntu are bloated as fuck compared to debian/fedora install with the same DE.
Compare firefox vs firefox on both platforms.
And forget about a flash test since flash on linux was discontinued after version 11.
HTML5 test maybe?
>>52102073
hey, isn't that great that you are getting free views from 4chan? sadly, you need some 1k+ for a single cent... so why are you spreading this bullshit instead of doing something useful with your life?
My custom linux boots in under a second
I like it minimal and clean
vwestlife reminds me of markorepairs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z4iw8Ppo1o
DOS boots in 3 seconds
ON A 25 YEAR OLD PC
>>52102073
Think I had an argument with this kid back then...
>Talks about how he's got all these programs that he can run and how there isn't much software on OSX
>Point out that I can run a lot of that software in Wine/CrossOver and all of it in a VM (this was back when OSX didn't run well in a VM)
>Starts going on about how Vista Ultimate has some additional UNIX compatibility meaning that Vista Ultimate can run OSX programs
>Point out that OSX != Unix and that Vista Ultimate will not be able to run OSX software
>Insists that I'm wrong a refers to his channel for proof that Macs are shit
>>52102073
>suicide watch
Instantly recognized it was trash
>>52103378
He reminds me more of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTiztqndGco
>all these linuxfags on damage control
>implying freedom matters
>implying anything matters more than video games and photoshop and other software linux doesn't have
Windows wins once again!
>Linux breathes new life into old computers that can't run anything past Windows XP and makes them useful again
>Somehow this means it's lighter than Windows XP and everything will fly on it
Somehow I don't think that's the conclusion one is supposed to draw from the statement.
Lubuntu is about on par with XP resource-wise, except it's up to date, secure and will run modern software unlike XP.
>>52103382
LINUX AND WINDOWS BLOWN THE FUCK OUT.
SUCH REFRESHMENT FOR AN OLD MACHINE
>>52103407
dumb frogposter /v/tard redditfag
on old pc you can't even install windows 8/10
and remember you gonna need av on win
>>52102073
this guy makes my autism blood boil
can we take him to the vet to be put down?
>>52102548
>implying NT isn't just a VMS rip-off
>implying a long history of solutions which proved themselves over decades isn't a good thing
>>52103408
>Lubuntu is about on par with XP resource-wise
Not really.
I installed XP on my old harddrive because I needed to update my blackberry (and the autoupdater works only on XP lma) and a fresh boot on a fresh SP3 installation uses like ~130 MB of RAM).
It made me sad how modern OSes are inefficient with their resource use.
Lubuntu on the other hand is the heaviest Linux distro that uses LXDE that you can get.
>>52103361
Fast boot doesn't really translate to leaner system, this meme bugs me.
I only have around 30 processes ever running on NY system. I use awesome with no DE. I run gentoo, with things I don't use, like CUPS, compiled out of my system.
I still have a 6-7 second boot, even with parallel boot, as I start a few custom daemons (one for fan control that works specifically for my comp, one to set keyboard backlight, a few others), and sometimes a bit longer if I hibernated my machine; not to mention, I run LLVM on luks for full disk encryption, slowly boot slightly.
My system, while running, averages a load of 0.3, and uses 300-400mb of ram. I have 12GB of ram, the rest is used for aggressive FS caching.
A lean system and a fast booting system are unrelated. (Note: I am not saying you don't have a lean system, was just making a point.)
>>52102073
Shiiiiit I love seeing we have anons that lurk good channels.
>>52103428
>if I use buzzwords, maybe nobody will notice I'm a newfag.
Pepe is a 4chan meme son, You're obviously from reddit if you don't know pepe belongs to us.
Linux shared library handling is dogshit slow until stuff gets cached (especially when launching a qt app). That's the only major annoying thing I can think of that's notably slower.
>>52103467
And Lubuntu is around 180MB or something like that last time I tried it.
It's not that far off.
Thanks >>52102601 for proving that the whole discussion is retarded. None of this matters once you use an SSD, and it's the least useful metric to compare performance.
>>52102073
Thanks OP, this is a great thread. You really showed us how superior Windows is to Linux. I'm an incompetent fuck who knows nothing of computers. I'm glad I realize this now.
>>52103488
The original frog images are indeed from here
The million shitty variations came from leddit
>>52103467
i've run xfce with about half that
>>52103526
Nope, they came from here, stay newfag.
>>52102073
Yeah, boot time is really important :|
>>52103546
They came mostly from kc and reddit
>>52102194
Server admin here, there are reasons we don't use winfail in our HA farms. Boot speed don't equate to shit.
>>52103563
wrong, reddit only committed cultural appropriation, using memes that don't belong to them. This is part of 4chan culture, almost a 2nd mascot if you would.
>>52103563
no they came from 9gag
we should all post on why we think that 9gag is the best website on the intern3tz
>>52102359
>>52102500
BTFO FAGGOT
>>52103584
>sadfrog
>2nd mascot
>>52103539
You can get down XP's memory use as well.
I'm talking fresh installation.
>>52103104
That's weird desu. Dual booter here, on HDD Windows 10 starts much faster with fast startup turned on.
Whos even turning their computer off?
What the fuck?
Who cares about startup or shutdown, no body does that shit
>>52102616
Not true. But you know who did steal some source code one time? Oh yeah, BILL GATES
>>52103687
I turn my pc off every night, no pint in wasting power while I sleep
>>52102276
my windows98 boots in 2.3 seconds
>>52103180
>What can I do to prevent Microsoft from spying me on Windows 10?
You're safe as long as you don't boot.
>>52103753
>one time
Top Kek, he almost stole as much as Steve jobs did
>>52103768
>his computer isn't doing things automatically at night
well la de dah
>>52102647
you are just mad because linux lacks features
>>52102463
your hardware is not free, your apartment is not free, your electricity is not free. just accept it, free is an illusion
>>52103845
he's mad because it's comparing apples to oranges
I mean...
my X220T with Xubuntu boots up instantly from the SSD. Once I've logged in, I'm in. Doesn't load a bunch of bullshit I don't need, etc. Only thing that takes a moment to start is redshift, desu.
Second place goes to Windows 7 on my desktop, but it is a negligible difference.
8.1 on the other hand takes a fucking hour to start up on the same ssd
>>52103877
>can't tell free from gratis
>>52102073
You pay to be spied. Congratulations sucker!
>>52103802
I have a server for that amigo
>>52102073
This contradicts all my empirical experience though, it's impossible to hide the sun with one finger.
>>52103926
your hardware is closed source, most of the components in your apartment are proprietary and have not disclosed their blueprints, the electricity is provided from a facility you cannot usually even set your foot in. All of those are non-free as in beer and also non-free as in sharing intellectual property
>>52103526
>what is /r9k/
>>52103994
you're still comparing oranges and apples though, but nice try evading the original point.
I watched a few videos
Pic related is apparently
>IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE
Not only is it reversible, it's nothing but an annoyance.
Not excusing the Mint devs here, if they're going to have a tool that installs the ATI driver it should also run the "aticonfig --initial" command
Of course he could have just read the Ubuntu guide on how to install the ATI drivers.
>CRYPTIC MESSAGES
I feel like he's projecting Windows' faults onto GNU/Linux or he's sincerely and genuinely so used to the way Windows works, that he thinks it's good when it comes to giving you errors and being fixable.
>HAVE TO USE THE TERMINAL
At this point it's like complaining you need to use the registry editor in Windows.
>>52103994
>your hardware is closed source
I use a beagleboneblack running gnewsense with libre kernel plugged to a monitor that I myself made from an old CRT TV controlled with a hacker's keyboard that I soldered myself from off-the-shelf components and an old typewriter.
>most of the components in your apartment are proprietary and have not disclosed their blueprints
That's wrong because most of the stuff in my apartment I made myself because I have access to variety of woodworking and metalworking machines
>the electricity is provided from a facility you cannot usually even set your foot in.
I was in the facility that provides me with electrical power myself both in the power generator room as well as in the control room.
>All of those are non-free as in beer and also non-free as in sharing intellectual property
That is a fallacy and you're a faggot.
The difference is when I buy a utility which you referred to as "non-free" like some kind of a retard who either does not understand the concept of free software of refuses to accept, I am free to dissasemble it, write a scientific thesis on how it works, make a scheme of how it works, share both those things with whoever the fuck I want and smash it to pieces afterwards because It is mine and I am the only owner of this utility, not the company that made it and sold it to me.
But whatever lets you sleep at night friend.
>>52103994
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.en.html#IntellectualProperty
>>52102615
Yes, that's literally the reason. Windows doesn't actually finish loading by the time the login screen appears, which is why if you login fast it can take a long time for the desktop to show up. It's actually still running processes in the background to complete loading. With linux, no such issue.
*yawn* boring attempt at trolling is boring.
>>52104310
This. What is the point if saying that windows boots to the desktop in 10 seconds if it keeps unresponsive for 30 seconds after that? but kudos to the microsoft guys for this and for changing the name of the hibernate button to "shutdown" to give the illusion that their system is more efficient.
>>52104310
This part of the reason I am so fucking sick of systemd, it does the exact same thing as windows, and yet is supposed to be a speed improvement...
>>52104540
Give more information about that please, because AFAIK what systemd does is using sockets to start early the processes that doesn't have dependencies on other processes and to take advantage of multiple threads instead of starting the services one after another. In any case, i haven't experience any unresponsiveness on the desktop with systemd unlike windows.
Not sure why are people getting their jimmies rustled by a troll video made by a retard. Those who use Linux know of its merits and power it has over Windows in terms of having a terminal, security, customization and better performance.
So just stop being defensive against these trolls and move on. This is a recurring trend everyday that we have about 20+ Linux hate threads repeating the same garbage that has been invalidated repeatedly.
>>52104620
hear, hear
>>52104601
It is using socket activation, so it ends up starting X while unrelated daemons (sshd, etc, which for Mr need to wait for a WiFi connection) are still running in the background. When I was installing gentoo on my tablet, the login prompt would go unresponsive (an agetty login prompt, mind you, not a DM prompt) for 5-6 seconds as systems was still working its shit out.
I use openrc with parallel boot, by the time X is finished starting (or by the time I get an agetty prompt), everything has finished booting, and my experience is smooth.
>>52104706
oh, i see, it's good to know that openrc is implementing that too. Could you give some info regarding on the differences between using RC_PARALLEL="yes" (i guess that's what you mean with parallel boot) and systemd? couldn't you just make X to not start until all the other processes finished to achieve the same with systemd?
In any case 5-6 seconds doesn't compare with the time that windows hangs when you just loaded the desktop in my own experience.
>>52105092
OpenRC has dependency resolution in its init scripts, that is how it decides what order to start scripts; i.e. sshd won't start until net.wlan0 has started as it provides 'net' and sshd depends on 'net'.
RC_PARALLEL just makes so that if init script a and b do not depend on each other, they are started at the same time. It is a simple implementation, but it works.
The thing is, openrc also has stages, and stages work by letting everything finish before starting the next stage. Thus, you can have a login stage with X, and it will guarantee everything else has started first, while still using parallel running to speed up the boot stage.
>>52105218
but just for asking, how is that different from delaying the start of X with systemd until the other processes finish?
>>52105440
It's not, its just easier to do (at least IMO), and is how it is setup by default.
>>52102073
My Arch Linux is up and ready in about 1 minute, whereas my Windows 7 takes a good 10 minutes to finally be up and ready.
>>52105656
ok, thanks for the info
$ systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 1.923s (kernel) + 1.064s (userspace) = 2.987s
Can windows even come close to this?
>>52105758
Get a nonshit PC then. My Windows 7 literally takes 10 seconds to boot.
I tried Ubuntu once,but everything is done for me,i did not have to set everything for hours and hours!
was a pretty boring night down in the basement
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