https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcF36_qMd8M
Why is nvidia such an asshole?
>sabotage AMD
>screw people with older viable nvidia cards with easily compatible but incompatible mandatory shit like gameworks
>trying to fuck over pc gay men with a monopoly
>patent everything and never use it and allow no one else to use it
>everything is closed source
>lie repeatedly to customers like with the gtx 970
Why is it nvidia's fault that AMD is dog shit at tessellation?
It's business.
You don't get to be top dog by carrying everyone and patting everyone on the head.
If you want to be the biggest you've got to be a mean fuck.
Holy shit I didn't know any of this. I'll definitely switch to a Radeon for my next update, Open Source is just wonderful
>>52052325
Yeah all their stuff if open source, its pretty great. I hope they become a real threat to nvidia and put a stop to their bullshit antics. Competition is good, lowers prices. If Intel or Nvidia ever get a monopoly, shits over. You think prices are bad now? Just wait.
>>52052442
I still prefer intel for my CPUs tho. I'd love to be proven wrong but i cores seem just too much better now
>>52051389
>own 560 Ti
>play gta v @ 1600x900
>60fps, only some specific locations lag, but still playable
>get game update
>shit framerates
>lag everywhere
>unplayable shit
The way it's meant to be gimped.
This is kindergarden-tier arguments.
"Play fair! Everyone should have it equal!"
No. I'm an AMD buyer, usually. Why? Because they often out-compete Nvidia for my business. They sell better values, in general.
But if Nvidia develops a better tech, and invests that money, fuck yes they should benefit from it.
And AMD? Fucking get on the saddle and get your cards to match Nvidia's. You've done it before. If you want to do open source, fine. But recognize that I don't buy your crocodile tears when you release your tech open source AFTER Nvidia has already developed a (superior) proprietary version.
Screw that.
This guy's a cunt.
>>52051389
Because NVIDIA's goal isn't to be nice, it's not to get you to like them, it's not to play fair, it's simply to make money.
>>52052502
Wait until Zen comes out, same 14nm as intels next cpu's and amd's gpus are going to rick 14nm compared to nvidias 16nm pascal
AMD's price will still be cheaper and their performance is going to creep up nividias and intels ass, maybe.
>>52052704
Hard when nvidia sues for everything and sabotages you by holding game devs hostage
>>52052943
>Holding game devs hostage
Nvidia: "Here is a technology we developed (e.g. hairworks). Feel free to include it in your game"
Developer: "Yes! This makes our game that much better!"
Hairworks is a bad example because it's un-optimized trash, but you get the point.
How exactly is that happening?
>>52052943
I guess I wasn't paying attention. When does Nvidia sue?
>>52053031
>pays deva to use their tech in all their games
>makes it so that most games run better on their cards
>adds unessicary geometry to objects and optimizes those objects to run well on only their cards
>fakes a card with woods crews and random pcbs because they just want to make money
Nvidia really wants to become a monopoly, and if you want them to become the only company that sells gpus, then you really don't want to buy a gpu in the future.
>>52053031
>When does Nvidia sue?
You know shadowplay? They bought it off the Raptr dudes before AMD made their move and threatened to sue Raptr if they tried to implement it for AMD.
>>52053120
How is that bad? If they pay for it, then they get to use it.
Nvidia is objectively better In every way, I seriously wish amd would just die off and stop trying to compete with nvidia
>>52053139
found the rabid fanboy who likes to shitpost for free and supports a monopoly and underhanded tactics
>i-its smart!
>>52053139
You need to step up your bait anon - not even burgers can be as stupid as that post.
>>52053171
If nvidia produces new technology, damn right should they deserve to get money off it.
Companies shouldn't be about pleasing the consumer they should be about making as much money as possible.
What do you not get about a company? They aren't there to please people, companies exist solely to turn a profit, and I'm fine with nvidia doing anything they can to make that profit, because it's a COMPANY, they make MONEY.
>>52053207
They buy everything, patent it, and never use it, then sue others who make alternatives that compete and send their armies of lawyers. No better than apple.
>monopolies is good!
>shady tactics is good!
>>52053229
If they sue someone, they make money.
What is so wrong with making money?
>>52053207
>being this much of a drone
How much does nvidia pay you
>>52053243
You do realise Nvidia has recently lost a bunch of cases against samsung right?
>>52053243
Nothing, its why I hate slave labor, child labor laws, and not being able to outsource all my jobs to china and india, not being able to use dangerous cheaper chemicals and having to pay for inspections and having health codes to abide by. It ruins profit.
Cant wait until nvidia gets BTFO
>>52053113
>Nvidia really wants to become a monopoly
Every company wants to become a monopoly. You think AMD would act with any greater benevolence if they were in Nvidia's position? Come on.
>pays deva to use their tech in all their games
Good! Why shouldn't they? They developed a tech and devs might be unwilling or unable to incorporate it, so Nvidia foots the associated costs and gets to market their tech in the game engine?
Are you fucking kidding? This is a *good thing*. And if AMD were interested in moving the market forward I'd encourage them to do the same fucking thing.
>makes it so that most games run better on their cards
Developers do this. Probably because Nvidia is out-competing AMD at the moment.
>adds unessicary geometry to objects and optimizes those objects to run well on only their cards
Tessalation? Because hairworks is interesting, but you can literally turn it off. Watch the video. Nvidia does tessalation better, a tech AMD helped develop and now fucking blows at.
>fakes a card with woods crews and random pcbs because they just want to make money
I guess I don't see a coherent argument here.
>>52053120
>Raptr develops new move forward in tech
>Nvidia offers to buy it
>Raptr sells it
Imagine you are Coca Cola. Some guy named Joe develops a delicious pineapple soda flavor. You offer him 10 mil for it and he accepts! You both profit. Now Joe wants to sell the same flavor to Pepsi. Would you sue?
>>52053322
Don't worry AMDbros, Vulkan is coming precisely to deliver a massive fuck into Nvidias ass
>>52053354
> They developed a tech
For the most part they didn't - Nvidia bought out most of what makes up gamesworks and simply locked everyone else out from utilising similar technology.
Do consider they actively gimp cpu physx as well as lock out dedicated physx cards in their driver if they detect an AMD gpu in the system.
Nvidia make EA look good.
>>52053394
DX12_1 exists entirely because Nvidia cried, moaned and whined at microsoft. Therei s a reason why 12_1 is basically only for maxwell - Nvidia was entirely blindsided by DX12 becoming a thing and started to sweat as they knew what it means, you can't use anywhere near as many driver cheats to affect performance.
>>52053394
That and all their open source stuff and big companies jumping on board and exclusively using them for things. Their Zen and 400 series have the same nm or better compared to intel or nvidia next gen and Freesync will win out gsync and their HBM tech is further in than nvidias crap they are just starting to use, also their Zen cpus will have hyperthreading like features
>>52053453
>also their Zen cpus
AMD's recent stock jump is almost entirely down to them announcing they are going with samsung for certain fabbing. Samsung's fabs are fucking top notch and will give Intel a run for their money. It is entirely possible it will let AMD leapfrog right up to skylake performance (remember: the +40% number they claimed in relation to excevator was regardless of node).
>>52053530
2016 is going to be exciting.
>>52053564
Especially with uncle sam and the EU watching Intel like a hawk for bribery - they won't get away with it again.
>>52051389
People keep talking like gameworks only fucks AMD, it fucks Nvidia too.
Watch Dogs and Witcher 3 run so bad on my GTX 970 it's not even funny, not as bad as my R9 290x. but still struggling to achieve 60fps nonetheless.
>>52053648
Wait, what? Whats going on?
>>52053665
>>52053665
970 is shit. They lied through their fucking teeth and gameworks sole purpose was to fuck everyone over and make them buy 980's
>>52053681
The EU has been raiding intel offices for a while to keep an eye on them. Remember they basically locked AMD out of the market with bribes to the likes of dell and HP. To the point it was HP (iirc) that more or less admitted without the rebates Intel provided they couldn't survive.
People forget Intel really did break the law and basically get away with it. A few billion fine a decade later is chump change compared to the money Intel earned by locking AMD out.
>>52053718
Man, thats fucked u- I-I mean, HEY ITS FINE, who cares? Its their job to make money :^) Its smart!1
>>52051737
If they want to be on top, they should put themselves above others, not hold everyone below them. "Innovation" and technological advances are slowed because the "leaders" aren't going forward very fast.
>>52053684
>>52053698
Stop talking like this of my GTX970.
>>52053851
I'm sorry comrade, I am compelled to tell the truth by a gypsy curse.
>>52053864
It's christmas, please stop.
>>52053999
Welcome to the party pal.
>>52051389
>screw people with older viable nvidia cards with easily compatible but incompatible mandatory shit like gameworks
really ? my old nvidia cards still have driver support, while amd drops support after a few months
>trying to fuck over pc gay men with a monopoly
microsoft does the same to the pc industry, and yet you use windows and don't complain
>everything is closed source
bullshit, they do a lot for nouveau
>>52054103
>while amd drops support after a few months
Thats why a 290x outperforms a 780ti amirite?
>>52054214
>>52054059
>>52053864
>>52053684
>>52053180
>>52053530
>>52053453
So...AMD is better than Nvidia?
>>52054268
At most price points, yes.
>>52054268
If you don't want to get fucked by driver updates, yes
>>52054286
>>52054340
Then why are they doing so poorly in the markets and in profits compared to nvidia?
What about AMD vs Intel?
>>52054351
>Then why are they doing so poorly in the markets and in profits compared to nvidia?
Nvidia spends more on marketing than AMD's entire worth.
>What about AMD vs Intel?
Intel has over 90% of the cpu market.
>>52054214
not sure how that is related to amd dropping card support in their drivers after a few months.
and by dropping support i mean cards not being supported anymore at all
>>52054377
So despite being a lot cheaper, having better business practices and being open source and honest, and having their performance come close and sometimes even beat the expensive asshole competition, they are doing a lot worse due to..rabid fanboys?
Fanboyism is literally sinking a company, ruining PC markets, creating monopolies, and so on?
>>52054351
>Then why are they doing so poorly in the markets and in profits compared to nvidia?
Nvidia shoehorns their proprietary garbage into 9/10 games these days, and pay to have their logos pop up when loading the game. Also better marketing and forcing their sheep to buy new cards frequently through planned obsolescence.
>>52054418
Right and a 290x lost to a 780ti upon release - now its consistently faster. Since Nvidia has perfect drivers and AMD drops support wihtin a few months some shit is going down.
>>52054427
Its fanboys killing them in the consumer market, but the real dosh is made with server cpu deals and OEM deals - neither of which AMD can secure because they are so far behind Intel and cannot get power draw down to fight Nvidia in the laptop space.
Their deal with sony and MS mostly just buys them technology leverage (console margins are razor thin) and them supply gpu's to Apple helps keep them afloat.
To wit: AMD massacres Intel for 99% of SoC hardware (due to the enormous gpu lead) but apus are still only a small market, even if its proving to be highly profitable for AMD.
I love how AMD shills basically want Nvidia to develop for their competitor because AMD just doesn't wants to compete.
>>52054743
I take it you don't own a kepler card?
>>52054795
You mean a card that gets incredibly outshined by a Maxwell card which HAS DEDICATED HARDWARE PHYSICAL SILICON TO DO THE TASKS WHICH KEPLER SUCKS AT?
>>52054808
Thats not the entire truth and you know it. Kepler equally has a shitload more compute power which is why in crysis 3 (for example) it still holds it own. Its also why in tomb raider (a compute heavy title) hawaii and kepler are fairly close but for all of maxwell's gains it doesn't pull ahead, cos it sucks balls at it.
>>52054877
Somehow you willingly want to ignore the fact that there is a physical module just for tessellation in Maxwell.
Also those settings aren't even the same.
>>52051389
I don't get the complaint about GameDVR or OBS in the video. OBS is better than Shadowplay and there's versions with VCE support. GameDVR is the exact same shit, only thing Shadowplay has is a better UI but it isn't that much better.
>>52054906
>Also those settings aren't even the same.
Thats the point - the 780ti has the paper specs to do it but since maxwell came out its getting gimped.
>>52054966
Why are you even trying to say? because in recent benchmarks done the 780ti is still between the 970 and the 980 where it should be, unless is a game with gameworks where Maxwell shines.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH STEAM GUYS.
IT'S OK, TRUST IN GABEN!
>>52055014
I pirate all my games.
Are people in this thread seriously trying to DEFEND nVidia for the shit they've pulled?
I guess there are legitimate paid shills on /g/, god knows I would never stand up and say "nVidia are the good guys" after they killed my fucking 680 with the driver bullshit back when BattleField3 released.
AMD may have their faults. But they are few and far between compared to the shit that nVidia have pulled recently, and in the past.
Hell, the last time nVidia actually innovated something and prompted a movement in GPU tech was back when they acquired Ageia and improved PhysX just enough for it be adopted.
Whereas AMD have done naught but push for new technologies, and they always allow nvidia to use these technologies.
nVidia fanboys and shills would seen be in uproar if AMD turned around and told nVidia to go fuck themselves and withdraw their right to use HBM. Though if that Gook of a CEO they have has their way, the idiots will end up on GDDR5X anyway, just to spite AMD for inventing HBM. That would be the nail in their PR coffin.
>>52054966
>the 780ti has the paper specs to do it but since maxwell came out its getting gimped.
Stop lying, nigger. Multiple benchmarks comparing old drivers have been posted for the 780 and 780ti. The performance has been slowly, but steadily rising.
>>52054103
>really ? my old nvidia cards still have driver support, while amd drops support after a few months
When was the last time your "old" nvidia cards seen game optimisations?
Because we know for a fact that even the 780ti doesn't even get optmisations anymore, hence why the 290X now outperforms it.
>A few months
So, 6 years is "a few months"?
5xxx and 6xxx series cards are not on the GCN arch, and AMD don't have the driver teams to develop for 3 different core architectures.
Even then, what use would those cards get out of driver updates? optimisations for the latest AAA titles? Like they can run those anyway to begin with.
All GPUs of that age are good for now is driving extra monitors on office machines. And for that, they don't need driver updates. They've had plenty of time to receive mature drivers over their lifetime, there is nothing more that can be done for GPUs of that age in terms of performance.
>>52055072
>skytml
lol
>>52055125
Since Kepler the games already run at full performance on release day and they almost run perfectly with game ready drivers now.
>>52055238
>shows regressions in the last two drivers on the chart
Doing yourself proud.
>>52055261
AMD doesn't do any better to be honest senapitachi.
I check phoronix routinely and all the time I see headway made with the opensource drivers for AMD and NVidia. AMDs Catalyst is good, and even the opensource driver can keep up now.
AMD hardware is even supported by Coreboot/Libreboot.
NVidia can get fucked.
>>52055286
and here come the licucks
>>52055273
>metro LL
I find that surprising - assuming settings do not change - given how much better tonga is at the game (relatively) than tahiti and hawaii.
>>52055286
>phoronix
I do like their testing and they do call it as they see it which reallyt does highlight some gaping weaknesses in AMD's linux support. Still, the last 6 months have shown an enormous leap and I suspect by march or so their drivers will be on par with the Nvidia provided blob.
>>52055297
>not one word about linux.
idiot
>>52055238
Really?
Last "GameReady" experience I had to deal with was when my buddy wanted to play Evolve on release.
His 980 couldn't even hit 30fps on low.
And that was WHEN the game launched, even then, it would consistently crash every 20 minutes.
Had to drive over just to roll back his drivers for him.
Hell, what point are you even trying to address? Tell me this much so I can form a coherent reply that atleast meets the points you bring up, if any.
>>52055334
works on my machine.
havent had a single driver crash and im on windows 10
might want to check your psu or oc or brain
>>52054103
>microsoft does the same to the pc industry, and yet you use windows and don't complain
Nigga are you seriously saying the '/g/ - Technology' board of 4Chan does not complain about Windows? Did you get lost on your way to /v/ or some shit? People complain about Windows on a hourly basis here.
>>52055357
PSU is fine.
Seasonic S12 520 Gold.
No OC.
It was all the fault of the "gameready" driver..Once rolled back, he was hitting 70fps on Ultra again...With the game ready driver, hardly 30 on low. And he was not the only person I have contact with who was having this issue.
Livestreamer I watch was having the same problems.
>OH MY GOD people just IMAGINE what wonders would our cards make if FUCKING nvidia shared their source code with us
>lol making our drivers open source for the linux community because we're absolutely fucking uncapable of delivering a working product when they could fix it?
>forget about it freetards like what were you thinking EEEW
I really like when such stuff backfires on greedy kikes.
Not that njevidia is better, but hey at least their linux drivers aren't pure fucking trash.
>>52054103
>bullshit, they do a lot for nouveau
What the fuck? nVidia is forcing signed firmware only on their cards - nouveau won't work at all for no teason other than nVidia being greedy Jews. ThisYou picked the worst example you could.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc5ODA
They say they "contacted nouveau", but this is still a step back. If they actually wanted to "do a lot for nouveau" they'd just release free drivers.
Is there a better AMD alternative to a 980 TI? Especially where power consumption is concerned?
I've had both AMD and Nvidia cards in the past. I honestly don't care if AMD gets the shit end of the stick, because every AMD card I've had, specifically my HD4780, had so many fucking issues.
I've never had issues with my Nvidia cards. Quiet, doesn't consume shittons of power, cool, and great support.
>>52051558
Why is it AMD's fault that nvidia is dog shit at DX12?
>>52055497
Power consumption wise? Nyet. For performance? The equivalent is the fury x.
>>52055554
MUH NVIDIA.
>>52055530
>this one card sucked 10 years ago hurr
>therefore I support a monopoly
>nvideo perfection never wrong 100% flawless
>ignore all their scandals and faggotry
>>52055573
>fury x
Dont want my room to turn into a sauna
>>52055595
TDP is TDP - the fury x has a TDP of 275w - the 980ti 250w. 25w difference isn't going to heat your room.
![d2a20dd54a2ef3d9ebe87405154a0192[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/sQABMLn.png "d2a20dd54a2ef3d9ebe87405154a0192[1].png")
>>52055497
FuryX comes close enough in terms of performance.
980ti is a pretty beefy GPU, so it's hard for a lot of stuff to come close or exceed it's performance. But the FuryX gives it a damned good go.
FuryX also has some pretty decent power efficiency behind it.
There were problems of coil whine upon the initial release of the GPU, AMD have since revised the CLC and issue is resolved.
>inb4 "Muh maxwell efficiency"
Maxwell only has low power draw on the factory Power Targets, but when limited by that target, the GPUs perform like shit.
So Manufacturers throw nVidia's power target out the window, and OC the GPU for those extra frames.
This raises the power draw significantly, to where, at most, they only draw 70watts less than a "power hungry" AMD GPU.
Now then. Do take note of the "Maximum" power consumption. This is from a millisecond peak in power draw. It's nothing exclusive to AMD, it happens in everything electrical. Any review that claims otherwise are full of shit from the start.
Let's keep in mind. This is TomsHardWare that this table is taken from, and they are die-hard nVidia and Intel shills. But by god do they have some sound testing methodology behind them.
>>52051389
>>52051389
>Being mad at capitalism
>>52055595
>I want suggestions!
>Fuck your suggestions!, I'm just going to shitpost some more!
Ladies and gentlemen. A /v/irgin.
>>52055644
>>52055644
Should I get a 980ti then or wait for Pascal mid next year which apparently is going to ass rape the fuck out of the 980ti, or wait for the 400 series of AMD gpus which looks like it might even beat Pascal with their 14nm vs Pascals 16nm
>>52055680
Why do you assume everyone is the same person, im just making fun of the Fury X with sick dank fresh memes. Im not even that guy kek
>>52055698
Depends what your gpu is right now. If its 760/7950 or better, wait, If not? Well you are unlikely to go balls out and get top-tier card so a current card is fine.
>>52055698
What do you have currently?
So far as I'm concerned I still believe AMD to be releasing Zen and Arctic Islands in Q2.
The last rumor to spin out that neither has been taped out yet was blown the fuck out hours after it was given life.
Pascal I believe is schedules for Q3, even then, that's assuming they have no issues dealing with TSMC and their shitty yields and HBM2 supply.
Even then, when the new series of GPUs do roll around I would advise waiting a month or so to let drivers mature just a little and work out the preliminary issues that both AMD and nVidia see, and it will give review sites to churn out Benchmarks, and it will let you see just which manufacturers have problems with their coolers. Such as Hot VRMs, Coil Whine, Poor thermal performance.
It is always worth waiting. you just have to know what you're waiting for.
>>52055811
>It is always worth waiting. you just have to know what you're waiting for.
Given we are talking a node shrink it is worth being a waitfag unless you absolutely HAVE to upgrade now. Node shrinks don't happen every 5 minutes and they often give enormous gains.
Then again lol 480.
>>52055723
>>52055811
Got a 960
I just wanted to know if the performance increase of Pascal and the 400 series would be significant enough over the Fury X or 980ti right now that I should wait or just buy now if the increase is like 15% or something
>>52052704
No, YOUR arguments are kindergarten-tier horseshit. Of course if one company makes better tech then you should support that company; no one's arguing otherwise. Nvidia is deliberately sabotaging AMD's performance by making everyone use their own proprietary tools which are made to run poorly on other hardware. This is classic business, and why businesses have to be regulated. Nvidia is getting to big for its breeches and needs to have its shit slapped in the form of a lawsuit or forced breakup. They're becoming the Microsoft of graphics hardware.
>>52055901
The next iteration of GPUs are built off of the assumption that the Core Arch will use enough bandwidth to make full, or damned good use of HBM2. That means that they'll be pushing a lot of data through themselves.
HBM2 along side such a massive die shrink (22nm to 16 for nVidia, 28nm to 16/14 for AMD) we are going to see large performance and efficiency gains. There is no question about it.
I do fully believe that our current "Flagship" GPUs will look like nothing more than upper-midrange GPUs compared to what we have to come.
A 960 should hold you over fine for another year atleast, that gives you plenty of time to wait and see what fruits come to bear and then make a sensible, informed decision that you will be happy with.
>>52055901
Only upgrade if a gpu offers 2x performance (since for the most part anything less can be made up via overclocking) AND if you are unhappy with current performance.
For a 960 thats basically 980/390x+ in performance right now which is eh in my opinion. A current gen gpu - low end or no - is generally not worth the upgrade until you go balls out with the ultra high end - the exact gpu you should NOT upgrade to on the cusp of a node shrink.
>>52053139
The drivers for the 760 gtx have been absolute shit for the past months. I literally wanted to burn my card and just buy an amd one.
When i had a 4550 and 5770 i had 0 problems.
>>52056056
Run furmark until it dies and claim it overheated given furmark is a power virus.
>>52056056
should have wrote an angry email to nvidia
