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Post linux things that makes you reinstall windows
Everything involving music production, midi inputs or NLVE.
I would but it's somewhat difficult to make a screenshot of something that isn't fucking there: video games.
>>51987789
Retard/10
>>51987789
are you retarted
>>51987789
Couldn't get Mint to dual boot with Win 10. I could get the computer to boot from my flash drive and install Mint, but after that, the BIOS would just not let me pick GRUB over the Windows bootloader.
Ended up deactivating the Windows licence and giving Mint the entirety of the disk. So annoying.
so much harder than WinRAR
Realize that Linux is for smart people and I only want games and porn. Not learn a bunch of shit and I don't care about freedom. I have nothing to hide
>>51987841
>he ever used winrar
7zip masterrace on both BSD, Linux and Windows
>>51987789
How do you not know how to configure your bootloader YouFUCKINGFREAK
>>51987841
>WinRAR
>tar
>not using 7za for literally everything on every platform
>>51987823
>>51987829
>try 'help' for usage
>help
>Unknown command
fuck this loonix shit!
>>51987789
>dual boot windows 10 and ubuntu 15.04
>no problems
>update to ubuntu 15.10
>no wifi
>no gpu drivers, black screen
>reinstall ubuntu
>no wifi
>install ubuntu 14.04 LTS
>no wifi
>try fresh Linux Mint
>no wifi
>mfw Windows 10 works flawlessly with regular updates
>>51989545
Ubuntu and its partners are shit with wireless drivers.
>>51989903
Funny, I've never had problems with wireless devices, either internal or external. Ubuntu even recognized various TP-Link adapters that did not work out-of-the-box in Windows.
>>51989545
yeah don't update
>>51987812
>not using playonlinux
>>51989545
Rule #1 with Ubuntu: don't update if everything works, it can (and will) only get worse.
>>51989545
Updating through major version is usually asking for trouble. And it's definitely no "regular update".
>arch
>decide to download plex media server
>readme states you have to build it with admin privileges
>try to do it
>building is potentially dangerous with admin privileges so it's disabled :^)
>reinstall ubuntu server
today was a good day.
>>51990072
Hahaha. Typically one of the following applies with Wine:
1) game doesn't even start.
2) has weird bugs that make the game unplayable.
3) low frame rate, stutter, input lag or all of it
Typically it's 3).
I can probably count the games that worked flawlessly on one hand.
>>51987789
Overheating
MS Paint
A decent music player
Excel
>>51990162
KolourPaint
Spotify
Calc
>>51987789
Pay attention to what you're doing and you won't fuck up GRUB.
There are GUI tools that will fix incorrect GRUB configuration anyway.
Much better than Windows which just does as it pleases.
>>51987840
Had the same issue on an old computer, solved it by putting SCSI first in the boot sequence instead of HDD0. Still don't know why it worked.
>>51987841
PeaZip?
Linux
Yup that made me go back, i rather use botnet than this shit
>>51990461
If you don't like the Linux kernel so much you can always give the BSD based operating systems a chance.
>>51990129
>cant just setup sudo properly
>>51987789
This is why EVERYONE who runs linux needs to keep a boot repair disk handy.
Shit is a lifesaver, especially if you have a windows partition
>>51987841
linux is for giving you control over every aspect of things, not for being a literal clone of windows
>>51987789
That's Grub, not Linux.
I'd use linux but
I'm not interested in having to learn a thousand different command line commands just to do basic everyday tasks like every autist on here that feels like a hacker by forcing themselves to use an OS that is purposely difficult to do anything on.
>>51987841
99% of the time the only switch you need is -x and -f
>>51991384
yeah or double click a file then hit the extract button
wow that was much harder than running some GUI visual basic shit!
>>51987887
That's 'cuz you've nothing to show, just like inside your pants.
>>51987841
> Nautilus right click -> extract here.
But you're too retarded to have figured that out I guess.
>>51991360
You just need to know the one command to update your system and install packages. If thats too hard you can use ubuntu and have a GUI frontend.
Get real, please.
>>51987789
>linux things
>posts a grub thing
>>51990129
nothing legitimate needs root to compile
>>51991745
GNU*GRUB+LINUX things
>>51987841
dtrx
>>51991781
>asianguysquintingatpaper.bpg
I've successfully installed linux and had literally no problems, everything worked fine.
But then I went back to windows anyway because it didn't offer me anything that I wanted that windows couldn't.
>>51991696
>install packages
yeah or i click the exe and it installs
Fan speed control.
My desktop machine becomes noisy as hell when using loonix
>>51987789
>not using LILO
>>51991360
would you rather learn a thousand different menus and dialogs to do "basic everyday tasks"? (wtf is a basic everyday task?)
>>51987812
most steam games are ported
you knew going in there wasn't 100% compatibility, right? I don't really see the issue
>>51991868
This and power management are my biggest issues with Linux.
>>51987789
so, so true, grub is obscenely needlessly obtuse I always dread having to deal with it at all.
the best part about using VPS/VMs is not *ever* having to use grub fucking ever not once just pure logical smooth sailing
can't even change the amount of time the splash screen stays on screen with debian so much hate to be quite honest, family
>>51991888
>thousand different menus and dialogs
You're not deluded enough to actually believe this are you?
>>51989545
stuff like this is literally why Arch exists
"rolling release" means there's not a big scary update waiting to break your shit, you just update packages every now and then.. forever
>>51987841
all you need istar xf
or 7z
>>51991847
Fucking idiot. Where you you get the EXE? You probably opened a web browser and had to search the web.
Package managers make way more sense. Don't have to open the browser, all your programs are a command away from installing, and they'll all be updated automatically with a single command
>Installing mint on laptop
>Try to connect to wifi on live usb
>It fails once, then works
>Install mint
>Reboot
>Choose wifi connection from list
>It refuses to connect
>Try for an hour
>Reboot back into Windows
Fuck your shitty meme OS
>>51991919
are you deluded enough to actually believe
>a thousand different command line commands?
i don't care if bait, between apropos, --help, and man you can learn exactly which options you need for a particular command, whether it's chown, sox, or imagemagick
>>51991930
>not a big scary update waiting to break your shit
instead you play russian roulette every time you run pacman -Syu
>>51991919
What he said is right. There's zero consistency with GUIs.
My knowledge of stuff like vim, tar, ssh, basic bash stuff, etc. carries over between every GNU/Linux distro regardless of desktop environment, and most of it even carries over to fucking Mac OS.
>>51991956
Where are you going to find the repo for the package?
You google it, using a browser
>>51991973
The repository is already configured when you install your distro. This is true even of Arch.
Are you just joking around or do you have no idea what you're talking about?
>all these linux autists that think using a purposely hard to use OS makes them cool 1337 hackers
fucking hilarious
>>51991968
>instead you play russian roulette every time you run pacman -Syu
Honestly it's just a waste of both of our time for you to pretend you know anything about Arch when you haven't even used it. Regular updates don't break things. Arch has stability standards. There's a less stable branch for developers.
>>51991990
GNU/Linux is more intuitive and simple than Windows. If you think otherwise it's because you grew up on Windows and have bqby duck syndrome.
>>51991983
Then install telegram without using a browser
If you already know the repo that's cheating
>>51992006
Running Arch on my netbook for three years bro. It's a waste of both our time for you to pretend you know anything about stability when you aren't even on Slackware.
>>51991930
>>51991968
Arch is a disaster, and really gives the lie to "Linux stability". There is no such thing as stable kernel api/abi so programs are constantly made incompatible with new versions of the kernel. No wonder proprietary (i.e. useful) application developers refuse to port their software to a shitty unstable operating system.
>>51992006
>GNU/Linux is more intuitive and simple than Windows.
LOL
Of course I grew up on windows, everyone did. You're not special just because you use something that most people don't. You're only wasting your own time, which I guess is fine.
>>51991990
>linux
>hard to use
I would say it must suck being mentally disabled, but you are probably happy living that way.
>>51991971
>There's zero consistency with GUIs.
Boy, that readin stuff sure is hard!
>>51992028
Okay, what linux version looks exactly like windows 7 and works the exact same way with no bullshit command line stuff required? Because I might actually use that.
Then I'd go to run a game and uninstall.
>>51991990
the easiest system to use the one that interferes with the user the least. systems that force their users to follow certain standards when it comes to interface, control, structure, or design make it purposely hard for computer users to do things in a different (better) way. some popular linux distros do this too, but both windows and mac os take this to extremes
quite seriously simply because of the fact that there are no good alternatives for lightroom and photoshop and yes even excel and word or citavi.
>>51992056
I would recommend Mint, Zorin OS, Trisquel, Kubuntu, etc. which come with a Desktop Environment suited to your baby needs, although you can set up any distro to look and feel pretty much exactly like Windows...not sure why anyone would want that, but hey, there you go.
Linux is literally an amateur OS.
It's only good for two things:
Being a codemonkey and browsing facebook.
Want to do graphics? Nope. Sound design? Nuh uh. 3D? VFX? Photo manip? CAD? N O P E
>>51992090
>excel and word
the reason that there are "no good alternatives" for MS office is that MS office is the de facto standard for all documents and spreadsheets, and therefore all competing office suites - libreoffice, kingsoft/WPS, softmaker, google docs, etc.- end up being judged based on how compatible they are with MS office, not because MS office is better, but because if you are going to collaborate with anyone, your documents will be in .docx
in an ideal world, everyone would know LaTeX and documents would be edited in plaintext before publishing them in beautifully typeset ISO 32000-1 PDF
>>51992125
>not sure why anyone would want that
Yeah why WOULD anyone want their OS to make sense and be easy to use?
Fuck off and get cancer kid. If you want people to switch you should try not to be a colossal fucktard that only makes linux users look worse than they already do.
>>51992056
if you want to use something that looks like a proprietary restrictive botnet piece of shit, you might as well stick to using a proprietary restrictive piece of shit. some things you just can't imitate
>>51991990
i use linux because it's simpler to use
>use ubuntu on 7 years old laptop
>noisy ass fan
>shutting down because overheating while watching animu on kodi
>switch to Windows 8
>no noise
>no overheating
Why linux is so shit la?
>>51992203
I said windows 7, nice meme that has no basis in reality though.
>>51991781
> Using fdisk when gparted exists
> Complaining about it
Just fsck off.
>>51992181
Anon, your mad is showing. Anyway, "easy to use" is a kinda subjective thing, it's all about getting used to something, most people use Windows, therefore they are used to it, that doesn't make it the only "easy to use" computing solution out there.
In fact, most people claim that OS X has the most "easy to use" environment out there, waaaay different to Windows, way shittier IMO, but that's what people are saying, doesn't make it truth you see?
>>51992216
> 7 years old laptop
> Using Ubuntu with memory hog Unity and not Arch with Openbox.
Get lost pleb.
>>51992239
OSX doesn't even have a windows explorer analogue, so its a total piece of shit OS right off the bat.
Don't say Finder, because that doesn't work.
>>51992169
Jesus, in your ideal world your father must be Hitler. Worse yet, he must be Linus...
>>51992264
We can both agree that Finder and OS X suck, but you are missing the point. The thing is, people can get used to anything and claim it's "easy to use", most of the time you don't even have to read the fucking manual and just play with the damn thing until you figure it out.
Nobody is forcing you to switch to Linux and learn ALL the CLI commands, it's very useful knowledge that you can later develop into an IT career but it's entirely optional. For the most part, Linux distributions will come bundled with a fully featured, fully configured Desktop environment that shouldn't be difficult to learn at all...unless you are mouth breathing drooling retard, in which case I wonder why would your caretakers even let you near a computer.
>>51992359
I'll give it a try then. I know its wrong to shit on it without even trying.
All I really want right now is for the captchas to fucking work.
>>51992311
foad, pleb
>>51992395
Why wouldn't they work? Just install a proper browser, jeez.
I can play flash videos and do all the stupid crap normies do on my server machine, and it's a broken piece of shit.
>>51992025
>GNU/Linux is more intuitive and simple than Windows.
>LOL
It is though
>You're not special just because you use something that most people don't
inferiority complex detected
>You're only wasting your own time, which I guess is fine.
>projecting this hard
>>51991990
this desu
>>51987789
xorg.conf
./config && make install then some ambiguous error
having to edit a file to rearrange UI
>>51987789
Holy shit HAHAHAHAHA if you suck so much that you see this screen and can't get out of it then Windows is made exactly for the redarded people like you.
Only pic related
>>51990162
Dafuq you need paint for? Are you 6?
>>51987789
Adobe
>>51987919
IIRC tar can preserve file permissions as well as owner/group while 7z cannot. 7z still shits on tar.xz/bz2 compression ratio though.
>>51992260
He doesn't need Arch, he can just about use anything that isn't Unity
>>51994507
>7z still shits on tar.xz/bz2 compression ratio though.
So why not use .tar.xz?
>>51994544
I meant that 7z was better than tar.xz or tar.bz2.
>>51991878
>not using loli
>>51989545
thats systemd for you
>>51991844
>it didn't offer me anything that I wanted that windows couldn't
>
>
>application suddenly closes
>zero explanation as to why
>>51994573
i think >>51994544
meant to say ".tar.7z"
also, lrzip is typically both faster and better ratio than 7z
>>51991764
Plex is malware
>>51994949
that was my implication
>>51987789
Jesus fucking christ. Why does /g/ care if some retard can't use linux. Stop wasting your time, and do something productive instead of trying to convince people to use it if they don't want to; Let them be happy with their windows or osx.
>>51987812
>> Steam
>> PlayonLinux
>> Emulators
>> Fucking 0ad and SuperTuxKart
Pic Related
>>51989545
WELL INSTALL THE FUCKING WIFI DRIVERS THEN JESUS FUCKING CHRIST MAN
>>51992006
>There's a less stable branch for developers.
an arch build more unstable
than arch itself
>>51991360
>linux has no gui for common shit
You don't need to learn shit unless you want to. Use one of the many works-out-of-the-box distros. Mint's the "my first linux" de jour
>>51992158
This
>>51995425
Oh man super tux kart got a rad update recently, it's great. They added online profiles that you cant use 'cause the servers dont work
Lots of things that "just werk" on Windows are a pain in the ass to set up on Linux. And not even in the sort of RTFM kind of pain, but "Windows literally automates the most painful aspects of this process and makes everything a lot simpler."
For example:
Sound. You have to hope and pray that your shit works because otherwise, good luck fixing the problem by yourself.
And headphone sound. Same issue. Literally a non-issue in Windows for 99% of setups, but almost always a problem for 80% of Linux setups.
Oh, and one more thing: USB sound (out to USB speakers, for instance) and dual/triple-card sound setups in general. Fucking absolute fucking nightmare in Linux. Easy-peasy lemon-squeezy in Windows.
Same with connecting screens for, say, projection.
Honest to god, video and sound should seriously "just werk." They're the bread and butter of a modern computer: a person should not have to edit a config file to get those things functional.
Everything else -- ricing, gaming, tweaking miscellaneous software to your particular likings -- I can accept and appreciate the Linux struggle. But video and sound should just work or be easy to debug/fix/configure, right out the box, for almost all computers. Period.
>>51991868
>>51991913
Had this issue on older laptops.
My desktop has no issue though, and controls fan speed perfectly. Pretty sure it has something to do with sensor drivers not working properly.
Modern Debian distros will probably work for you now.
If you cannot fix GRUB then kindly fuck off back to Windows, and leave /g/ forever while you are at it.
>>51987812
i've been playing shadowrun: hong kong recently, it's pretty nice
>Linux
>specific error messages with even more verbose error messages in logs that can be googled instantly for easy solution
>Windows
>Something went wrong :(
>>51995516
All these issues are fixed in modern distros like Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora.
>>51987840
Nigga you're using the wrong bootloader, use the Linux bootloader, the Grub. Change your boot order, you should have an extra entry in your BIOS.
>>51987808
But JACK is like rewire on steroids. You missing out boy.
>>51987789
>be me
>no pro at the cocode
>running my shitty vista sp1 for 6 years still rumbling strong today
>>51987789
> shitty video drivers
> WINE has problems with 99% of the apps I try with it
> annoying as fuck middle-click pasting built into X11
> almost no apps that perform the same functions as Speedfan or CPU-Z
> extremely little consistency between distros, or even different versions of a distro
> very few apps support autoscrolling
> installing apps found outside the official repos is a pain in the ass
> older apps often won't even work because they rely on deprecated libraries that the developers assume are built into the OS, and they won't package said libraries with the apps themselves
> Skype and Steam are shadows of their Windows counterparts, and the Windows versions don't work well in WINE
>>51995516
> winx viral marketing dept. detected.
>Speedfan
fancontrol works way better than speedfan for me, it responds quickly and does a much better job at keeping a constant speed
and why does speedfan take so long to start up?
>>51987995
this
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>>51995851
> installing apps found outside the official repos is a pain in the ass
Only if you're a fucking idiot. It's literally one command
>sudo add-apt-repository ppa:you'reafuckingretardkillyoursef
>>51995516
All those things, except sound cards. (Multiple usb dacs work fine though), are workin for me OOTB in ubuntu.
it's not 2004.
No iTunes alternative, can't sync phone, have to restart to Windows than restart again to Linux, suXx0rz af
Am I the only one who tried linux because I needed git and then stayed on linux ever since? Even removed Windows.
linuxhaters.blogspot.com
>>51987789
>Post linux things that makes you reinstall windows
qemu-system-x86_64
>Need to use any programming or server tools
Back to Windows.
>Need to do video/image editing
Back to Windows
>Need to play games
Back to Windows
>Need to get good proper drivers for my GPUs
Back to Windows
etc-
>>51995638
>>51996234
thanks bros
Testing out Fedora 23 Live and yeah, sound works. Might install this over my Arch.
>>51992420
Food lel
>>51992420
FOAD
>>51996430
what so bad about qemu?
i use it daily and it works good
>>51995851
> shitty video drivers
works for me tm
I have to disable/enable Flipping between some games though
>WINE has problems with 99% of the apps I try with it
Blizzard games and Osu works flawlessly for me. So does League. I don't really use anything else.
> annoying as fuck middle-click pasting built into X11
I really don't see how this is an issue at all. It's a separate clipboard after all, and doesn't take away from normal CtrlC CtrlV copying. Do you randomly click your middle button?
> extremely little consistency between distros, or even different versions of a distro
I find the former part to be a good thing. It makes trying out a new distro an actual new experience, because clearly you're trying different flavours to find something better.
The latter I don't really see. Ubuntu made a very big inconsistent change when they shifted to Unity, but on other distros I don't notice much of a change besides bugfixes.
> very few apps support autoscrolling
You can easily make this yourself.
> installing apps found outside the official repos is a pain in the ass
If you are retarded, yes. Debian based distros make this easy for noobs.
> older apps often won't even work because they rely on deprecated[...]
Agreed, this is annoying as fuck.
> Skype and Steam are shadows of their Windows counterparts, and the Windows versions don't work well in WINE
I think Skype's version looks better than Windows, because it's a lot less bloated visually. Certain advanced functions are hidden behind / commands, but they are there.
I don't really notice a difference with Steam compared to Windows, of course other than compatibility with games.
>>51987789
Sadly my Debian Stable works too well.
>>51996509
It's not bad. But running a qemu virtual machine usually involves installing Windows as a matter of course.
>>51996925
oh sure..
i didnt get that one
>>51996788
>Agreed, this is annoying as fuck.
Use static linking; gentoo gives you the option.
gpu accleration in cycles (blender) on GNU/Linux doesn't work on the free AMD drivers but i don't want to use the proprietary drivers because they are less stable. other than that i love me some debian testing.
>>51989545
>ubuntu
I think that's the problem here
>>51987841
>current year
>using autist-tier tar
>>51994920
>windows
>lel.exe has encountered a problem and must be closed
>notify m$ botnet?
at least if you run an unstable program from a terminal window it generally spits out diagnostics and error messages that often point to what was causing problems
>>51996440
I don't do any .NET or IIS, is there really nothing on Linux?
Opposite for me: Linux is handy for turning just shoot anything into a low resource productivity machine (Java / Netbeans / Eclipse).
>>51996219
I know how to add PPAs, dipshit. It's just that they tend to be poorly maintained, so they often lead to all sorts of problems.
>>51996788
>works for me tm...
You're probably using Nvidia or recent Intel graphics then. Most of the systems I've owned have either used really old Intel graphics, or AMD/ATI. They work fine for Windows, but not nearly as much for Linux.
>Blizzard games and Osu works flawlessly for me. So does League. I don't really use anything else.
I have no idea what Osu is, and I don't play modern Blizzard games or LoL. Fortunately Linux gaming is not as much of a problem for me as it used to be, since Valve has really been pushing for support of it. But there's still the odd game I come across that simply doesn't have Linux support, and if it requires any external libraries like an updated DirectX redist or whatever, then that's a pain to get working.
>I find the former part to be a good thing. It makes trying out a new distro an actual new experience...
I think it leads to over-fragmentation myself, and it makes it especially difficult to hop between distros IMO.
> very few apps support autoscrolling
I'm no programmer, and I'm starting to get the impression that Linux is only meant for programmers and not casual users.
>If you are retarded, yes. Debian based distros make this easy for noobs.
Adding PPAs is easy, keeping them from fucking up is the hard part.
>Agreed, this is annoying as fuck.
*nods approvingly*
>I think Skype's version looks better than Windows...
I agree in some ways, but going from the Windows version to the Linux one there are some features I miss, like being able to receive images right in the chat window. For some reason I also get constant notifications saying "X person is online" then "X person is offline" whenever I use Skype on Linux. Really annoying. As for Steam, I think it would be a million times better if you could leave it running and not have the window open, and if Valve integrated WINE somehow.
>>51995851
>>this_whole_thread
>apps
>not programs
>ISHYGDDT
triggered
I installed Windows a few years back because a game was crashing under wine. Only kept it for like a month though because I needed the space for anime.
>>51987789
>put netinstall/minimal iso on a usb
>boot into usb, select rescue disk
>select the root partition, go into shell
>install grub bootloader and update grub
took me 17 attempts to figure this out and save my windows partition data. it was a learning experience I guess.
>>51992056
>Microsoft shills
>Gayming
>Literally refuses to use the best thing ever involved in order to use grandpa-like methods
Yea why learn an alphabet if you understand everything people say to you, it just werks though :^)
>>51998237
They released Visual Studio for Linux but I don't think its what you are looking for, its just a text editor.
>>51987812
I am running Dota 2, League of Legends, GTA SA and Warcraft 3 on Ubuntu 15.10 without any loss of fps.
You just have to use PlayonLinux which will automatically install the required components. The learning process can really piss off a Windows user, it happened to me. But I was determined to get rid of my dependency on Windows.
>>51992181
Define making sense and being easy to use. The fact you have to do everything the "point and click" way makes you look like a retard anon.
>>51992181
Xubuntu is hilariously easy to use. With a start menu and everything. Not sure why are you mad.
>>51987841
>WinRAR
I didn't even know WinRAR still existed. I remember using that on Windows 98.
>>51995516
>Install Windows
>800x600 resolution, webcam doesnt work, no GPU drivers, literally a meme tier performance
>Start getting shit together
>Be forced to literally read every single page of the official GPU driver installer because "do you want to install RaptRNvidiaMemeOverlay?"
>Restart the pc, fresh windows 8.1 installation already takes over 2gb of ram without anything running in the background
Meanwhile
>Boot up kekbuntu/meent/memedora livecd
>webcam works OOTB
>GPU drivers already there
>feeling comfy as soon as the welcome screen shows up
W-windows just werks :DDDDD
>>51995604
This
>>51992158
>It's only good for two things:
>Being a codemonkey and browsing facebook.
And those are both done better by other OSs.
>>51999012
That's true actually. Any modern distro via live cd can configure your all your hardware OOB with the exception of Nvida/AMD GPU.
Windows 7 fresh install gives you a crude start up with 9-10 hardware devices not recognized. If your manufacturer did not provide you a CD, good luck going through their website database and locating exact drivers for your model.
HP has the worst track record since the same model is often sold with different wifi/gpu/bluetooth devices, so if you don't know your exact specs, you install the wrong driver and then cry yourself to sleep.
When I bought my HP laptop, I spent a good 3 days on my old desktop to locate all the drivers and then through trial and error figured out which ones work on my system.
Windows 8/10 improved this though, they install generic drivers through Windows update to give you a little head start but you still need the official drivers because some laptops have custom built board that only works with HP drivers.
Linux wins this one hands down.
>>51995501
my sides
>>51999012
had this issue with windows when i started out actually using computers. when i switched i was impressed how much less work you have to do to get shit working and how easy it is to install software.
>>51987789
>IT'S JUST WERKS XD!
The problem with this attitude is that you are foolish enough to believe that technology doesn't break down, and that buying dumb-downed products will somehow avoid the chances of ever troubleshooting your devices. Human makes mistakes, if you don't know how to fix...you going to be call customer service for that.
>>51998341
>Most of the systems I've owned have either used really old Intel graphics, or AMD/ATI. They work fine for Windows, but not nearly as much for Linux.
I've been using ATI card for like 3 years now, always worked out of the box. Unless you are running something like 3xx card everything should be at least fine.
>I think it leads to over-fragmentation myself, and it makes it especially difficult to hop between distros IMO.
Thats why companies like Valve stopped caring about the fragmentation and came up with their own distro. If you want something steam-related to work on your custom distro then its your, not their problem.
>> very few apps support autoscrolling
I'm no programmer, and I'm starting to get the impression that Linux is only meant for programmers and not casual users.
What do you mean? I've never encountered an app that looks as if it was supposed to support scrolling but doesnt. Not quite sure what you've meant.
>Adding PPAs is easy, keeping them from fucking up is the hard part.
Thats true.
>Skype on Linux
I dont want to sound like a microsoft shill but skype was bought by them, we are lucky they still provide a Linux version of it. For the X person is online/offline - check out the "events" tab in properties, you can disable it.
>You gotta keep the Steam's window open
Do you? For me it stays in the task bar, just like it does on Windows.
>>51999090
The thing is people are so freaking scared of using the terminal they dont even realize how easy it is to use/how much time it saves you. You dont have to be a god to write simple bash scripts and even if you arent really keen on going that "deep" then you'll find yourself mostly copy-pasting shit people tell you on the internet.
I've made like 3-4 friends try Linux and surprisingly they liked it, with XFCE I feel like you have seriously a free of choice since the "config creators" or w/e you call them are even easier to use than control panel in windows.
>>51998341
>You're probably using Nvidia or recent Intel graphics then. Most of the systems I've owned have either used really old Intel graphics, or AMD/ATI. They work fine for Windows, but not nearly as much for Linux.
Well at least you accept that if something is not working for you doesn't mean that is not working for everyone else. On top of that, when a piece of hardware is not well supported on windows most people blames the company that made the hardware but when something is not well supported on linux that same people blames the operative system, or even worse, the complete platform as a whole, i find this a bit funny and sad at the same time.
>and if it requires any external libraries like an updated DirectX redist or whatever, then that's a pain to get working.
I guess that at least you accept that the're has been a lot of progress lately and that there's a lot of games available for linux now. Also, what you mention is the magic of closed os-dependant APIs. If the developers starts using multi-platform tools windows users would not be affected in a negative way and people would stop being obligated to use an specific platform to use their software. Is more a cultural problem that a problem with linux, judge by yourself what kind of future do you want. At last, playonlinux and winetricks makes easy to install those libraries.
>I think it leads to over-fragmentation myself
There are different OS that happens to share common components and respects common standards, if you think about it Windows and Mac are the ones trying to be as incompatible as possible to tie you to their products.
I actually had Mint get stuck in a frozen boot. Was installing Mint 17.3 fresh install to a brand new 850 evo ssd. Would boot from usb fine, install fine, but get stuck at black screen with blinking cursor when I restarted. Didn't even get grub options or anything to try and edit the boot kernel. What the fuck?! Felt like beating my head against the wallbecause this dont make sense.
>turns out the 2nd 750gb hdd simply being connected was causing some sort of issue. As soon as I unplugged it, the install booted right up even though the 750gb drive was empty and unformatted.
Never had this problem before. Is this something to do with the change over from old school BIOS to uefi?
>>51999333
>I'm starting to get the impression that Linux is only meant for programmers and not casual users.
I don't know what you mean by "Autoscrolling" but your claim is a very unespecific one, i have relatives that doesn't know anything about computers and they're using linux without problems, in fact, when they used windows they asked me for support very often and now is pretty uncommon except for installing a very specific program.
>Adding PPAs is easy, keeping them from fucking up is the hard part.
Is strange, i have never had any problem with PPAs, i know that if something is working fine for me doesn't mean that it works fine for you but i guess that my testimony counts too.
>*nods approvingly*
This is somewhat true but to be fair the developers still has the option of bundling all the required libraries with the program while retaining most of the benefits of the package managers (i say this because uninstalling completely some big programs like VS on windows is a royal PITA). Also, it's funny that some people claims that one of the strength of windows is its retro-compatibility, however i find much easier to run legacy windows programs on wine than on windows, in fact, it's almost impossible to run certain old programs on newer versions of windows but on wine you can even have a different configuration per program that doesn't affect other programs (wine bottles) which is something i find very useful.
>Skype
Actually i think that finding an alternative to skype on linux would be a better idea because now that it belongs to Microsoft is uncertain if they'll keep supporting it on the future. Skype is good but i've been using firefox hello lately and it works pretty well and has the big advantage that it doesn't requires for the other person to register or to have firefox.
>Steam
Actually i find steam's linux support extremely good.
>Valve integrated WINE somehow
That would be a logistic and legal nightmare for them.
>>51999114
>I've been using ATI card for like 3 years now, always worked out of the box. Unless you are running something like 3xx card everything should be at least fine.
Driver support has gotten better, I'll admit, but for a while I used this laptop that was too shitty to run Win7 properly, and Linux couldn't properly handle whatever ancient ATI crap it was running. In hindsight that machine probably would've been fine with XP... but for some reason I decided against running it on there. I don't use it anymore anyway, it was a recycle depot find, and it filled its role until I got my Thinkpad. At least that can play Super Hexagon without framerate issues.
>Thats why companies like Valve stopped caring about the fragmentation and came up with their own distro...
So what you're saying is that I should use SteamOS if I want to do Linux gaming. *sigh* I guess that's why multiple distros exist.
>What do you mean? I've never encountered an app that looks as if it was supposed to support scrolling but doesnt. Not quite sure what you've meant.
Autoscrolling is that thing where you click the middle mouse button and you drag the mouse down to scroll through a webpage or whatever. I find it to be quite useful.
>I dont want to sound like a microsoft shill but skype was bought by them, we are lucky they still provide a Linux version of it. For the X person is online/offline - check out the "events" tab in properties, you can disable it.
Thanks for the tip. You're right though, we should be grateful that Skype works at all on Linux. I just wonder what keeps it from working through WINE...
>Do you? For me it stays in the task bar, just like it does on Windows.
I meant on the taskbar, but I like having it minimize down to the system tray myself. Steam won't do that, at least not on XFCE; it insists on remaining in the taskbar. Call me autistic, but I hate how Win7/OSX minimize windows, so I always set it to do it the way it was done in older Windows versions.
>>51999333
I'll admit, I've been an AMD fanboy for years, due to some bad experiences I've had with Nvidia in the past... but a lot of it too has to do with how jealous I've been of Nvidia users. Guess I might just have to go over to the dark side.
I don't know about you, but I like it when programs come with all the DLLs/libraries they need to run out of the box or even *gasp!* baked into the executable. I'm not a programmer, I just like ease of use.
It is kind of funny how non-standards compliant those OSes are, even though people _think_ they're the standard since they have more marketshare.
>>51999505
Like I pointed out before, autoscrolling is that feature where you middle click your mouse on a webpage or document, then you move the mouse downwards and it allows you to control how fast it scrolls up or down. It's really handy. Also, the reason your relatives are able to use Linux just fine may have to do with the fact that they aren't technically literate; they're more open to learning new ways of doing things rather than doing everything the way they were used to doing for years, like myself.
I tend to binge on PPAs, mainly because Ubuntu's default repos are quite lacking. This often leads to bad results, but it's hard to avoid.
I like the ease of installing things through package managers. What I don't like is how Linux (or even Windoze for that matter) manage installed programs. The DOS approach of every program being self contained was the best.
It's hard to get normies (i.e. most of my friends) to use a VOIP program that isn't Skype. Until a good alternative comes along that everyone can use, I'm stuck with that POS. Skype sucks on both Linux and Windoze, let's face it.
Steam's Linux support is pretty remarkable for what it is, but it still has some annoying bugs and roughness around the edges, not unlike the Windows version up until a few years ago.
Valve should just do it anyway. They can afford lawyers.
>>51992016
You could've meant the package-name, but that's also easily solvable by only doingapt-cache search thingyouwannasearch
