http://www.anandtech.com/show/9864/price-of-ddr4-memory-drops-nearly-40-in-six-months-and-will-keep-declining
Why have you not joined the DDR4 master race, /g/?
The difference between DDR3-2133 and DDR4-2133 is negligible.
>>51943698
Because not all of us are rich enough to get a DDR4-based machine.
>>51943698
Because I'm too cheap to change out my motherboard and CPU for a negligible performance increase
>>51943698
Because I have an i5 that only supports DDR3 and newer Intel CPUs pretty much offer no performance gains
>>51943718
fuck I need to fix my old ATI Radeon 9700PRO so I can use my old P4 ;_;, have 512ram tho.
Because I can't spend money on fast food and dates with traps if I spend it on ddr4
>>51943698
B-But I already did OP
16 gigs nigger
I paid 200 euros for 16GB about a year ago, kill me now.
Unless you bought a brand-new Skylake setup from scratch, there's zero incentive to dump your DDR3 machine
DDR3 was $50 for 16 GB. DDR4 isn't anywhere close to that.
>>51943805
How was this comparison even generated? You can't compare DDR3 and DDR4 fairly without swapping out entire motherboard, chipsets and CPUs.
>>51943835
>DDR3 was $50 for 16 GB
Pray tell where you find such a price because I am in need of some DDR3 sticks.
Amazon wants $73 for 2x8GB.
>>51943709
There is no difference between DDR3-2133 CL10 and DDR4-2133 CL10. No shit, sherlock.
>>51943927
Not sure about how much the board matter, but if you want to genuinely compare them, you need two kits with the same latency, eg. DDR3-1600 CL8 vs DDR4-3200 CL16. A lot reviews compare DDR3-1600 CL8 against DDR4-2133 CL15, and then wonder, why it sucks.
>>51943927
>Pray tell where you find such a price because I am in need of some DDR3 sticks.
I would guess that was the price you could get it for before that tsunami fucked up a bunch of countries where RAM is produced a few years ago. I know DDR3 was stupid cheap in those days, and it's almost there again, but it's not going to make it quite back down to those prices now that DDR4 is here.
>PC just now getting DDR4
>PS4 has had DDR5 for 2 years now
Why are the Japanese so far ahead?
Because I'm sandybridge master race.
Whats so great about DDR4?
>>51944653
GDDR is a totally different thing, faggot.
>>51944653
PCs have had GDDR5 since 2008.
I got 32GB of DDR4 suck a dick fagits
>>51944331
There are boards that support both DDR3 and DDR4
>>51944653
>>51943698
>Why have you not joined the DDR4 master race, /g/?
I don't want to give jewtel more money than I need to. I'll stick with z87 for another year.
Because moving to DDR4 would require replacing my motherboard and processor, all because Intel are jews.
>>51944855
Why are Intel jews?
>>51943698
Because the price is going to continue dropping so why buy it for more money when I could wait and buy it for less
>>51944865
>Why are Intel jews?
How GNU are you?
My motherboard don't support it and I won't buy a new motherboard until my i5-4670K needs upgrading, in other words a long time from now. By that time DDR4 will be cheaper than DDR3, maybe we'll even have DDR5
>>51944331
>>There is no difference between DDR3-2133 CL10 and DDR4-2133 CL10. No shit, sherlock.
Yes there is, power consumption for example.
>>51944960
That's obvious. Also, pin arrangement.
I was talking exclusively about performance.
>>51944865
They have a research center in Israel.
That said, I'd find it hard to believe if AMD also don't have jews in their organization, and RMS, who this board seemingly worships, is also 200% jewish nationality-wise, so I'm not exactly sure what people imply by calling others jews when it's kind of pointless name calling; they're fucking everywhere and on every side of every coin, what does it matter?
It is said that the worst anti-semites are jews themselves, so pay attention, the people calling others out on being jews were probably lighting up a menorah recently.
>not getting ECC sticks
My current computer is a laptop with a Haswell CPU. To use DDR4, I would have to acquire a new system, which I cannot afford to do at the current moment.
>>51943698
dude it's unreal, as last year it was like £50-60 for 8gb of DDR3 1600 now it's £30-40 for 8gb DDR4 2133.
>>51945101
What do you do that's so important that it needs ECC? Do you even leave your computer on overnight?
Because I literally just upgraded my motherboard right before DDR4 came out, and the actual benefits seem useless at this point.
When I upgrade in like 4-5 years? Sure.
Because it's basically a whole new pc list of parts to upgrade for a marginal performance increase.
Also:
>skylake
I got 16gb 1600mhz ddr3 for 60€
When i get 32 (or preferably) 64gb of 3200mhz ddr4 for 60€ I will upgrade.
>>51943698
Because Skylake and Haswell-E are both shit.
>>51946003
this. Black friday was good to me last month
>>51943698
Because the price will go down in the near future, duh.
Because I will have literally no reason to update CPU/mobo for a solid 2+ years and I already have a 16GB set of 2400MHz DDR3.
>>51943698
There's no real performance increase that I'd notice from DDR4 or from upgrading from my Haslel. I'll probably switch next year to something like Skylake-E or Zen if it's good.
One chip to rule them all.
>>51943698
Can't afford it.
>>51943698
because i dont see a need to upgrade from my current system which uses DDR3 and have never thought that "wow, i wish i had DDR4"
upgrading to DDR4 when i upgrade my system and my choice of mobo etc. uses DDR4
what's new with ddr4 memory?
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>>51945036
This Tbh. Israel's worst enemy is itself, a bunch of european ashkenazi jews secretly wishing they weren't jews at all, and instigating most of the hate.
It's all memes anyways.
>>51943927
My job just gives away sticks. I want to sell them.
I spent $350 for 16gb of 2666 DDR4 when it first came out. I knew prices would drop, but I didn't expect them to drop this much as quickly as they have.
>>51946425
Put it up on eBay, I've been scouring the Internet for cheap 8/16GB DDR3 sticks.
>>51946425
Just install gentoo on them
>>51943698
Why would I buy it know if it still keeps declining?
That's looker buying on the stock market if the price is still on a high value.
>>51943698
>not having DDR5
>>51943698
I haven't needed to build a box since it was reasonably priced. Maybe that was even before it was released.....
Why upgrade when there's no need?
>>51946291
Until it hits the thermal limit.
>>51943698
my laptop and desktop motherboard don't support it. It's ok though. I'm not bitter.
I just ordered Crucial 8GB 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3L 1600 (PC3L 12800) for my laptop which will max it as it only has one slot.
I'm buying a PC soon, I was going to get a Haswell i5 with a H81 mobo and DDR3
Should I get a skylake i5 (say a 6500) and DDR4 instead?
>>51947894
Skylake locked parts are now overclockable, and the 6500 actually gains a shitload.
As of now you need the pricy Z170 boards but if you wait it might be possible on the cheaper chipsets.
whats the point even
>>51947894
If you don't have DDR3 ram sticks, get a a Skylake system.
>>51943698
Because my mobo has DDR1 slots and no PCIe slots plus it doesn't support anything after Pentium D. Not everyone is rich you spoilt brat
>>51948050
go for a dumpster drive jamal
>>51947939
>nd the 6500 actually gains a shitload.
How much is a shitload?
>>51943698
Because I only recently built my computer.
I also don't want to have to hunt for a motherboard that has non-broken IOMMU/VT-d support again.
>>51943698
because i'm waiting on zen, my computer is powerful enough to get me by, and if u upgrade now, i would rather get a used intel cpu than a new one.
zen, if it is even half what it claims, offers me more than intel would and would be a significant upgrade.
>>51945970
>b-but muh cosmic rays!
>>51948379
>herpadurka
You'd never use a fucking CPU that "sometimes" gets a calculation wrong. Why the fuck would you use RAM that sometimes gets bits flipped?
>price declining
>why haven't you bought DDR4 yet??
Are you retarded?
>>51948394
Funny thing about your statement is that they are very much reliant on each other. A CPU does calculations on the data contained in RAM
>>51948394
because it never happened to me so far
As the OEMs start picking DDR4 up...
>>51948394
The chance is insanely small, on the order of once a month for an average home PC. And even then a corrupt bit in a multi-gig system is like expecting climate change from pouring a hot cup of water into the sea. Windows users don't notice this anyway done their programs and systems are crashing all the time regardless.
>>51948583
As far as you know.
It happens multiple times per year.
Because my computer does everything I need and I probably won't upgrade for another 3-4 years.
>>51948637
>failure rate
Is this actually checking for memory corruption or is that just the RAM modules going bad?
>>51948667
RAM going bad. Chances of a module dying per year.
>>51948667
Corruptions
>>51948692
What's the ECC chart look like?
>>51943805
Wow it's fucking nothing.
>>51944941
>all those 6/10s
Damn I would go crazy in there
>>51948394
Bit flips are extremely uncommon. On regular consumer machines there's not a lot that can really be affected because regular people don't do a lot of important things on their machines in the first place. A bit flip on a consumer machine might lead to a change as minuscule as one pixel having a slightly different shade of red compared to the rest in a video game. And the flip only lasts until the next time that bit is updated so it may not even last more than a second anyway.
In a web server the RAM might be occupied with very important information that doesn't change often for an extended period of time. A bit flip here might lead to false information or data that is completely corrupted.
>>51943927
>can't compare fairly without swapping out entire motherboard
Um, get a Z170 motherboard that supports DDR3 and DDR4?
>>51948769
If a bit flips in executable kernel memory the OS will probably crash next time it tries to run that portion of memory.
>>51944653
>>51948724
Since ECC corrects single bit errors, the chances of being affected(2 bit failure) is astronomical.
>>51948823
Well there's billions of bits in modern machine and flips don't happen very frequently. A single flip landing in just the right spot to trigger a crash is not very likely, it's possible though.
>>51945970
>Do you even leave your computer on overnight?
are you really asking this? what are you doing here?
>>51949228
So is this just bad modules that they bought or modules that went bad over the course of the test?
>>51949303
I'm guessing these are modules that went bad over the course of time from some sort of corruption, in the case of non-ECC RAM the reasons are considerably more varied than simply "there was a basic hardware failure".
I'm not entirely sure if all such failures would lead to the RAM stick flat out breaking, a reboot usually solves the problem unless the hardware was already flawed and predisposed to go bad.
In any case, there is little downside to using ECC, the price isn't much higher, it's only 3-11% slower even in fringe cases where memory is the bottleneck, and most consumer Intel CPUs have Xeon equivalents for a tiny premium that will work in many regular boards, assuming they claim support for them (models marked with W or WS usually)
>>51943698
I'm waiting for ddr5 ram. Consoles already have it.
>>51949461
You for got your smiley, friend :^)
Here, I brought you an extra :^)
>>51948637
It's only worth it on prodution boxes. It's for the, "we have a contract, and restarting long running jobs could but is behind schedule" situations. And even then, you bring the box down and swap the RAM out at the first possible opportunity.
>>51944653
>hfw gddr5 is more closely related to ddr3 than ddr4
>>51943698
DDR4 was meant for servers wasn't it? It was designed with thermals and power usage in mind not so much throughput, but DDR4 is slightly faster.
