How the fuck did intel manage to make single thread performance on Skylake chips worse compared to Haswell? Also only ~1% better multi-core performance?
Is intel fucking trolling us?
Shut the fuck and just give them your money.
No competition. AMD chips have been dogshit for the past 5 years so intel hasn't really had any incentive to make better chips. Their customers are also so fucking stupid they'll buy anything even if it's dogshit.
>>51941377
its due to cast dye shrinkage.
the jump from 22 to 14nm meant they probably had to sacrifice single core performance in favour of better multi core.
the only thing good about these new CPUs is the decreased power consumption, which is useufl for laptops.
if you looking to get it for a pc though, a top of the line a few generations back would be better than whats currently on the market
>>51941461
So is this the end of better IPC? Are we doomed to just keep adding moar cores for more performance?
>>51941461
>the jump from 22 to 14nm meant they probably had to sacrifice single core performance in favour of better multi core.
For 1-2% better multi-core performance? So skylake was a flop?
>>51941377
To play devils advocate,
When you're at the top of the mountain, and nobody else is there to challenge you, it's quite difficult to find another peak to climb.
>>51941377
Intel only cares about money now, not performance. AMD hasn't been able to deliver anything worth jack shit so intel can keep selling the same haswell performance (or worse in this case) while shrinking the die size more and more.
Zen better fucking deliver.
>>51941498
no...
the evolution of microchips is through decreasing the size of the cast dies, increasing the amount of transistors that can be fit into a given amount of space.
hence nobody mainstream ever goes past 4 cores.
better architecture can either be done through optimising the single core performance, which may impact and decrease multi core performance, or vice versa.
there's a balance to be found, no matter how small the cast dies get.
>>51941461
then why doesn't it at least use less power?
it's
- about the same power usage
- same core count and clock speed
- about the same performance
it might as well be a rebrand, if it weren't for
- costs $55 more, good goy
They're fucking Jews and they don't give a fuck about the customers anymore, only their money.
I still have myi5-3570K ivy bridge and I won't be updating anytime soon.
>>51941555
This. AMD has been shit.
Any 2500k/2600k bros still not upgrading? I look at this crap all the time. I want to upgrade because new toys are fun, but I just can't justify it. Sandy bridge = 2 good.
>>51941787
I upgraded to Haslel because my PCI lanes died and I needed a new mobo, but Sandy is still pretty solid tbqh.
>>51941787
i don't see a reason to yet, gonna upgrade my vid card soon but i haven't had a need to do anything else
you AMD shills should try a little harder
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Haswell-vs-Skylake-S-i7-4790K-vs-i7-6700K-641/#Conclusion
>>51942505
>Power Draw - identical
>Temperature - identical
>Performance - identical or significantly better
Sooo, long story short.
Intel was bored of challenge and innovation, threw it's ethics and morals in the shit blender to fuck AMD and now lives happily evee after in a stagnent hole and blames AMD for not being around?
Stop complaining. Pay the $600 quadcore CPU.
Why are you so mad poorfag?
>>51942698
>>51942739
Amd is 8 core for $150 fag
>>51941787
My 2500k is going strong. If you want new toys, then pick something besides processors. There's a lot of non-computer related technology out there with lots of new toys to choose from.
>>51942922
2500K master race
>>51942739
>>51941787
Yeah I have a 2600k @ 4.5ghz, default voltage with a 970 meme card and 16 gb of ram.
Would love to upgrade to some newer tech but there really is no reason to at the moment.
Peripherals get upgraded more than than cpu/gpu/ram now.
>>51941377
>using just 1 testing method
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/578/Intel_Core_i5_i5-4690K_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-6600K.html
>>51941764
So fuck that
There is not reason for Intel to fucking settle for mediocrity
They should be pushing that fucking 15 percent improvement per generation like they say the do
>>51941377
More botnet, less speed.
>>51941377
>Is intel fucking trolling us?
whatchu gon du, wyte boi?
buy amd?
>>51944473
>There is not reason for Intel to fucking settle for mediocrity
More profit.
You know, the only thing public companies and their shareholder care about.
>>51943066
All synthetics are shit but passmark is the least shit because the number of samples used.
>>51941377
I thought the focus was on increasing gpu performance? Did that flop too?
>>51946144
The jump from the HD 4600 (haswell) to the HD 530 (skylake) has been dogshit as well. They went from 20 execution units capable of up to 1.3 GHz to 24 execution units capable of up to 1.1 GHz. Like a 5% better igpu performance improvement AT BEST but only if you use ddr4 ram.
No one even gives a shit about the iGPU anyway since everyone not brain damaged buys a dedicated GPU. The HD 530 can barely play games on 720p.
The skylel chips even have a higher TDP.
>>51946144
It's fucking shit. Now we have lower clocked igpus because of these cock sucking Jews.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9751/examining-intel-skylake-speed-shift-more-responsive-processors
Older OS don't support Skylake properly
You need to use Windows 10 Version 1511 build 10586 with Speed Shift support for proper performance
>>51946521
This is one of the reasons I will never switch to skylake.
>tfw my friend sold his haswell build on ebay and paid more for a skylake build in the process
>>51946521
I was super surprised to not see much statistical difference in the two techs. Maybe in tablet/ laptop stuff this is good, but I really don't care about fractions of a ms.
>>51946755
Its really not that big of a difference. Look at the charts.
>>51941787
I want to build a decent 1080p rig for gayming, and I was looking to buy a 2600k, but you can't get anything older than haslel where I live, and ordering it from amazon would cost about as much as buying a 4790k, because of the insane import taxes in the third world shithole I live in. I've tried finding it used too, but it seems like this cpu just doesn't exist here.
Tfw I'll have to buy a meme processor even though I didn't fall for the meme.
Feels bad
>>51946521
>It does lead to some pretty big gains in task completion, if the workloads are bursty and short enough for it to make a difference.
aka Facebook-machines.
>>51945240
> implying a focus on profit is bad
You wanna talk economy, make it more profitable to make better performance and efficiency lines.
Or you know, bitch instead. That's what we really need.
>>51947419
>blasting someone who shares the same opinion
are you dense?
>>51941437
Except AMD's chips are fine, they just suck at single-threaded performance. Nobody really needs good single-thread performance except fucking gamers - and fuck, that's not even going to be true given next-gen consoles and DX12 - yet there's this massive stigma against AMD.
Intel and Nvidia are taking the fucking piss with their prices these days.
I hope AMD don't waste this chance or intel will just keep releasing meme chips
>>51947449
There wouldn't be stigma if AMD didn't make shitty 8 coar CPUs which actually have 4 full coars.
This is why I don't buy AMD anymore, fuck these meme CPUs.
>>51948092
Have fun buying a $1000 dollar 5960X to get your eight "real" cores, champ.
>>51948155
Thanks, I will. Or you know, I can buy a 4 core CPU without the memes.
>>51948176
>Implying Hyper threading isnt Intels version of an 8 core meme
>>51948193
Hyper threading doesn't pretend to be 8 cores.
>>51946253
>No one even gives a shit about the iGPU anyway since everyone not brain damaged buys a dedicated GPU.
but anon, what is i don't play games?
>>51948333
It still has uses other than gaming.
>>51948092
Yeah, that's not the reason. For some reason, normies who don't play games are convinced they need an Intel i3/i5 CPU for whatever reason, despite doing nothing that requires that sort of single-threaded performance. Very few people do processor-intensive stuff these days, so AMD's processes likely represent a better deal for most people.
>>51948766
Normies don't give a shit about "better deal". They only care about brand names and whatever the OEM puts in their shitbox. Which is usually Intel for more expensive shitboxes and AMD for the cheaper ones.
>>51948229
That's exactly what it does, though.
>>51948894
From the perspective of the computer software, but that's not what we are talking about.
>>51948878
True, but you'd think that someone would figure out how to sell the fact that AMD processors are both decent and cheaper. It's not like they're complete second-rate garbage like the old Cyrix processors, they're more than fine for desktop usage. AMD have kind of ghettoised themselves.
I'm beginning to think AMD should just slap together a PC based around the PS4's specs and pricepoint and base their marketing around that.
>>51948961
PC OEM is a shitty business. Margins are not that big.
>>51949042
AMD should brand "better than PS4 gaming" AMD CPUs + Radeon graphics as some BS, like Intel did with Centrino, then pump them out cheap.
Still hummin along, not a single fuck given.
