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ITT adults discuss OS for adults.
I've been using Arch for a while now, and as much as I feel I've learned from the experience, I feel I'm coming up against a wall again. I've mastered basic system configuration, and I've been able to create some of my own simple solutions to problems unique to my setup. But I still feel like I'm not truly intimate with the Unix toolbox. The only game I really care about playing is Dwarf Fortress.
So, to get to the point, is OpenBSD a good option for a personal computer? I am attracted by the claims of god-tier documentation, and strict adherence to security and design principles.
Any OpenBSD related input is welcome.
Nerd song listen while browsing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWuVPoJVLsg
no, bsd isn't really geared towards home computing use
>>51916565
I don't mean to sound like I'm not taking solicited advice, but can you say some things more specifically why?
>>51916546
It's good, but check if your hardware is compatible. OpenBSD is completely blob-free so compatibility will never be as good as Linux.
* It's scheduler is archaic garbage, which makes desktop use difficult. Audio and video playback skip and fuck up whenever there's even moderate CPU usage.
* The community is full of bigger autists than Arch. Try sending a commit or asking for help on their mailing list to understand what true retardation is.
* The documentation is shit. Debian/Arch/FreeBSD piss all over OpenBSD in terms of usability.
>>51916565
Neither is Linux, but it's still usable. Why else does NVIDIA produce drivers for FreeBSD
>>51916607
Well for one when I tried it just to install adobe flash you had to use the linux kernel and it was a lot of steps just to view youtube. I imagine running wine would be difficult too. If you're gaming you should just stick with windows.
>>51916546
Hey kid, did you know? Adults don't actually fall for placebo.
>>51916633
OpenBSD downloads firmware blobs after installation if it detects your hardware needs them to function.
>>51916633
OpenBSD is 100% proprietary blobfull in the kernel, which is why the librebsd project exist. The reason why theo the rat can lie about it is by redefining what "blob" means. Instead of meaning some binary data, to the cucks at OpenPlacebo, it rather means "a proprietary driver". Thus, there are no "blobs", but there 100% are blobs all over the OpenPlacebo. Enjoy your placebo OS fuller of holes than windows itself, placebotards!
>>51916683
YouTube doesn't need Flash anymore since it's deprecated. The only things Flash is needed for is advertisements and a few shitty porn sites. Using WINE is no different from using it on Linux
>>51916717
Blob has multiple meanings you sperg.
>Enjoy your placebo OS fuller of holes than windows itself, placebotards!
lmfao
>>51916735
What what, in the butt?
>>51916673
>* It's scheduler is archaic garbage, which makes desktop use difficult. Audio and video playback skip and fuck up whenever there's even moderate CPU usage.
Well yeah.
>* The community is full of bigger autists than Arch. Try sending a commit or asking for help on their mailing list to understand what true retardation is.
No, the devs are just fed up with easy to google questions.
>* The documentation is shit. Debian/Arch/FreeBSD piss all over OpenBSD in terms of usability.
OpenBSD has probably the best docs ever.
>>51916776
>no professional user documentation
>no developer documentation or API reference
>no wiki
>A FUCKING FAQ
>greatest documentation ever
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>>51916860
don't forget that they still use CVS
>>51916860
no professional user documentation? You ever man package? There is a man page for every fucking bit of OpenBSD.
Everything you need to know about OpenBSD programming is documented in the sources.
Wikis are a joke and mostly outdated as fuck. See Arch and Gentoo wiki.
As I told you. man package or man function and you will get everything there is to know about obsd. Offline. Without wikis. In your shell.
I believe the documentation to which people refer is the manual pages, not the online FAQ.
If I have a problem to solve in my setup, I want to be able to read man pages and figure out how to use the tools at my disposal, rather than google the problem for half an hour, wade through almost related forum threads, and ultimately find some recipe that has a 50/50 chance of working.
How can I progress on the path to greater understanding of my OS?
>>51916995
It's retarded to say it's well documented, though. Just because you can man muhdick doesn't mean you know why muhdick is breaking under your usecase. Could be a bug, could be expected behavior. The best way to know is to google it, not to spend hours trying to minimize a test case.
Moreover, it's not like programming FOR the OS is the highest priority for 99% of people, as opposed to programming ON the OS, or you know, using the OS.
>>51917029
>it's not like programming FOR the OS is the highest priority for 99% of people
Sure. It would be like a pianist wanting to learn to make pianos- an almost entirely new pursuit.
However, I think with personal computer use, things are a little different. I guess this gets into philosophy a little too much, but isn't the point of this device that it's a _programmable_ computer? I agree that most people use their computers almost exclusively as media portals, but I am still interested in viewing my PC as a programmable device, not just a thing that can do a certain computation. If you want to call me a hobbyist (or worse), fine.
>>51917181
The fact that it's a programmable computer does not mean one is interested in programming for the hardware, as opposed to for the OS or for a framework on top of the OS (the most likely case). That is, one is interested in performing a computation, not at improving the abstraction layer over the hardware to allow the computation to be performed transparently across hardware.
Well you can always give it a try.
With OpenBSD the only real concern is with your graphics or wireless chipsets. OpenBSD devs wont include binary drivers, everything has to be permissively licensed(ie BSD/MIT/X11/ISC) or it wont be accepted upstream so there's some hardware that wont work and will likely never work well like Nvidia graphics.
>>51916546
Yes. It's great for home computing, as long as you've got hardware that's supported and understand what you can and can't use it for.
Webcam drivers don't exist for it, so don't expect to be able to use Google hangouts for remote work meetings.
SMP and VM host support lag significantly behind Linux and even Free BSD. You can run VMs on it, of course, but the kernel level support for making it fast isn't there/mature. On highly threadded code, esp with lots of IPC, it won't perform as well as linux or FBSD. It won't perform badly though.
Smooth video and audio playback are just not a priority for the devs, so yes, it may not be as smooth.
If you're OK with that, it's actually a fantastic OS for laptop, desktop or server.
I'm more likely to use NetBSD, but that's a personal taste thing.
Both Net and Open BSDs are extremely well documented, but not not wikied or tutorialed like Arch Gentoo and even Ubuntu are. You read the docs for these, not follow the paint by numbers.
>>51916546
Maybe you could just stop over complicating your desktop computer ?
If you aren't making a router, firewall or you're an openbsd dev yourself, it's not really worth the time and effort. Find something more useful to distract you from your empty, pathetic life.
>>51916546
OpenBSD devs use OpenBSD on their everyday memepads. That's something.
It's a nice system. Something like a minimal-ish linux distro with especially nice man pages and kinda crummy package repos.
The community, believe or not, is actually very friendly and helpful if you know how to google, read docs, read man pages and ask the questions unlike a total moron.
Find out whether OpenBSD lacks something you need or really want and if it doesn't make the switch. Variety is the spice of having no life because you decided to become a Unix user instead.
>tfw you need a *nix system to write the installer to a USB stick in 2015
Come on, I don't want to fucking have to crawl into the hotbox and fight with my server's seemingly invisible USB ports over a shitbox X60 I'll use once or twice and forget about.
>>51916565
A lot of OpenBSD devs use OpenBSD on their laptops
>>51918980
Buy the disc set and actually use your money for something helpful for once.
>>51918980
You don't. But if you can't even figure out how to write an image to a usb stick on your own, stick to windows.
>>51919005
At that point I might as well just buy a USB optical drive instead.
>>51919039
I know how to do it (on UNIX systems), I just don't want to deal with it.
>>51916546
Good OS but fuck I hate that fucking fish.
Only thing more smug than that is the goddamn GNU.
At least the fish has a reason.
>>51919060
no it's not
>>51919060
Namely, that it's gay?
>>51919539
cuck
I've been using OpenBSD on my laptops and a few desktops for a few years, it works great
>>51916776
>OpenBSD has probably the best docs ever.
AUTISM DETECTED
>>51920505
It works great if:
-you don't give a crap about security
-you don't give a crap about performance
-you don't give a crap about hardware other than intel's
-you don't give a crap about software availability
-you don't give a crap about stability
>>51920590
>something having good documentation is insult worthy
The fuck is wrong with you?
>>51920661
>lol trust me it's shit, just trust me
>>51920675
The irony from your post is so thick it could be cut with a knife.
>>51916546
ITT:
>shitposters discuss shitposting for professional shitposters
Here's your problem OP:
>you give a shit about an "adult" OS
>if someone were to slap a label on a shit tier OS and say it was "adult" you would probably buy it
What defines an "adult" OS to you? An OS that is balanced when it comes to system resources, speed, efficiency, simplicity, etc seems good to me. Honestly, I just went with Windows 10 and disabled telemetry and other unwanted features manually (Windows doesn't give you the option to do this, you have to figure it out and it isn't hard, manually disable updates as well). This works for me.
>>51920664
>>51920661
>security
Code in the base system audited periodically, fewer LoC and fewer bugs than in basically any OS as widely used or more.
>performance
Ok, It's a bit slower than usual Linux. It also runs perfectly fine on P2 and 256M RAM if you need it to. Not many ganooslashlinuxes do that.
>hardware
Another point. Other systems have better HW support. This is irrelevant if your hardware is supported.
>software availability
Anything that works on an average POSIX system i.e. helluva lot of stuff.
>Stability
This one you pulled out of your ass when you noticed you were running out of arguments. You have to deliberately try in order to get OpenBSD break and even then it degrades more gracefully than almost anything else I've seen.
>tfw wanted to set up *BSD on some machines sooner, but it kept getting postponed, something I was told would take only half the year took the whole year, and now there goes 2015 (another lost year)
>the good news, however, is that nothing really seems to be stopping me from making this my new year's resolution for 2016 (there's no foreseeable obstacles in the future)
To just recluse and study will certainly be better than being a /b/ tier troll on /pol/ during an election year.
>>51921093
>security
Completely broken through if even so much as a single flaw exists systemwide, be it because it is in one of the audited packages or because you install something not audited (i.e. any package in the tree that's not in the core set).
>performance
Almost every GNU does, the main issue is DEs, in particular those that have forced composition. For the rest, I have literally tried that setup across several distros without any issue 3 months ago.
>software availability
Only if it relies on pure POSIX stuff, i.e. nothing GNU, which the great majority of programs are based around of nowadays.
>stability
OpenBSD is unstable because any hardware load whatsoever breaks execution throughout the entire system.
I would use only as a vps OS or to serve as a file server.
>>51916546
>Any OpenBSD related input is welcome.
You might want to patch the kernel and change the ticking rate (kern.hz) from 100 to 1000, which is the default of most operating systems.
Reason why it's 100 is because most devs dogfeed and this way battery lasts longer, at the cost of performance.
>>51916565
Stop spouting crap you read online, dumbfuck nigger.
Oh, and OP, DNSCrypt is pretty cool, the dev implemented pledge for OpenBSD.
>>51922294
>the dev implemented
Clockmed-tier interpretation of the facts, as expected from a placebomonger.
>>51922395
>Clockmed-tier interpretation of the facts, as expected from a placebomonger.
What?
https://github.com/jedisct1/dnscrypt-proxy/commit/d922e6661ec3f44b9cb01f2241481f2bab737d24
He removed it for some reason, but you can always patch it.
>>51916546
It can be a great desktop system, but it's not really suitable for entertainment. If entertainment is a high priority for your system, you will be very disappointed. I mean you can listen to your MP3s, and watch movies, but it's not the best option for that.
If you want to do serious work with your system, it's an excellent choice. If you want to learn Unix and/or security intimately it's an excellent choice. If you want to build a basic personal server, or a router, it's an excellent choice--if your server needs are a bit complex, FreeBSD is the better choice.
It's a simple, very logically designed OS, but that's not the same as easy. There is a learning curve, but if you're comfortable using something like Arch, you shouldn't have much problem. Unlike Arch, or Gentoo, shit isn't made unnecessarily tedious, or difficult for the sake of being unnecessarily tedious or difficult. At the same time it's not dumbed down, aka"just werking," for mass appeal either. It's design makes using it as simple, and headache free as possible at all times, while still being powerful and giving you complete control over your system. It's a balance that no other OS that I can think of comes close to achieving.
On the other hand, it's by no means perfect, nor is it bleeding edge. If you have really new hardware, chances are some of it isn't supported yet. You might find that software you want to use is not available in either packages or ports, or that it's really outdated (newer doesn't always equal better). The devs aren't interested in virtualization at all. They think it's just the stupidest, most unnecessary and gayest thing ever, so it's pretty lousy for that. FreeBSD not only has Jails, but considers them a selling point; OpenBSD does not have Jails, and will not ever have jails, because jails are maybe the one thing gayer, dumber and more unnecessary than VMs in their eyes.
>>51922465
>The devs aren't interested in virtualization at all
Yet they're implementing a hypervisor
>>51916938
lol Who wants to read a manual, especially offline, and in plain, common, boring text? Why can't they just stop goofing around with developing the OS, and hold my hand, and do shit for me? It's almost as if they don't care if I use their OS or not.
>>51922465
I intend to practice programming, it seems like one of the *BSDs is likely to be a good OS for that.
>>51922517
YOu have money? Go donate for better documentation
>>51922517
>Who wants to read a manual, especially offline, and in plain, common, boring text?
Why should I need Internet access or even need to leave the cli to read a fucking manual?
>>51922517
>It's almost as if they don't care if I use their OS or not.
They seriously could not give less of a shit. They develop it for themselves. If you want to use it, that's cool, if you don't, that's cool too. Either way they're just going to keep doing their thing.
>>51922517
lol'd nice satire
>mfw I didn't intend for some things which have postponed this to take as long as they did
>if I knew these things would take so long, I'd have sorted things out and done what I'm going to do pretty soon much sooner
>something major in my real life took a hell of a lot longer than I was told it would take
I hate how I wanted to do something, but didn't do it when I thought I would. I should have never trolled /g/. (I wanted to time everything just right for maximum emotional devastation of /g/, but it backfired, because I was told something else was going to take a much shorter amount of time than it did.)
>>51917029
Are you entirely certain that you actually understand what documentation is?
>>51922465
>Gentoo, shit isn't made unnecessarily tedious, or difficult for the sake of being unnecessarily tedious or difficult.
Gentoo is literally 2 orders of magnitudes more just-werky than freebullshit.
>manually check the same option for over 200 packages good goy, it's that easy :^)
>portage? Inferior, disgusting subhuman technology! Setting an option only once won't waste your ti- err, I mean, it's not as clean as having one makefile with all the options per package good goy :^)
>have already tried installing *BSDs, that's really not hard or anything
>just haven't gotten around to playing around with it much because my real life has actually been extremely chaotic for the past year or so
>and before that too
I'm not seeing any way I'm going to have any problem doing what I've simply postponed for a frustratingly long amount of time, due to things unrelated to this.
>and, I posted >>51922521, that's seriously what I intend to do
>>51922613
Are you entirely certain that you aren't clinically retarded?
I wonder if I can get the 666-get
>>51922664
So close, just 2 away from it, but I got impatient.
>>51922672
This isn't /b/, nobody cares
>>51922701
I know. You sure are humorless, however. Especially considering, /g/ is a shit board full of people who think they're special for their ability to do simple things which allegedly, everyone else is too retarded to do.
Maybe it's how they cope with their obesity.
I refuse to take /g/ seriously, goddammit. Mods, go ahead and delete my posts if it bothers you. If this were a mailing list or forum pertaining to the topic of this thread, I would treat it very differently.
>but the board is a joke
>so my interactions here are a joke
>except I'm really going to do what I'm going to do
I might quit this site forever, it was fun for a while, being a /b/ tier troll. Now it has gotten boring.
>>51922664
>>51922672
>>51922730
>>51922751
>>51922767
Fuck off and never come back, autist. You're shitting up an otherwise decent thread.
>>51916673
That's partially the scheduler and partially the kernel big lock, which is being removed.
>>51922784
I really will fuck off and never come back. I have something to do which is more important to me than reading the insipid verbally abusive screed of pitiful narcissists.
>/g/ thinks it's smart for having difficulty with things I find easy
/g/, I came here in the first place to tell you that you're worthless.
>>51922803
>/g/ is one person
No, you buttblasted autist, I merely chose to entertain your inane posts because, despite /g/'s insular attitude to them, you kept on posting. Just shut the fuck up and move on with your crappy life you brag about so much.
>>51916673
>ASKING FOR HELP
>ON THE MAILING LIST
>WAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH THEY DON'T LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE ASK THEM DUMB QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF READING DOCUMENTATION
Really, what the hell were you even thinking?
>>51922826
>read a little of your worthless screed, and
TL;DR because it's just worthless garbage written to insult me, I should instead be reading about these OSes instead, but then there's you, this stupid piece of trash who just wants to insult me. I bet you even think you're fucking special because while I was dealing with my life being absolute chaos, you may have learned ahead of me a bit just to try to "show me my place", like you've done something difficult. You're a stupid piece of garbage.
>this entire website
>is
Garbage.
Because I thought this was a website about anime and video games and then your entire website is just about hating women. I hate you disgusting pieces of trash, 4chan.
To be banned from here one more time would be like having the mods admit I'm too good for this stupid retard bin of a website.
>uncivilized
>stupid
>no better than monkeys flinging poo
>and insisting the things that make them subhuman pieces of garbage who exist to be tortured should be a standard
Absolute disgusting pieces of vile living trash, I hope you all die horribly.
>>51922879
Angela why do you need to derail every thread with anything to do with BSD?
>>51922642
I'm not the one failing to comprehend a very simple concept here. I choose to think you are trolling, because it would take a very special kind of mongoloid to not understand that a document outlining, and explaining every conceivable technical aspect of the thing it was written to document, is in fact documentation. There are trailerparks in the remotest corners of North Alabama which don't have the levels of cousin fucking, meth addiction, and home schooling that it would take to produce this sort of retardation, faggot.
>>51922910
I haven't even shown up in these threads for a while, actually. So, I don't.
Isn't something like Debian automatically gonna be more correct? Just cus more ppl are using it? I mean its not like openBSD developers are checking that their code works in coq or something
TIL all openBSD code is proved to work as intended in coq
>>51922910
To answer your question:
I have already been postponing playing around with BSD since long before I even came to torture /g/, but my life has been chaotic since about 2010 or so, actually (this will not be the case in the future, I sorted out my life, finally), and...
I specifically came to /g/ to troll /g/. I hate 4chan and the subhuman pieces of garbage that most of the users are. I should consider interacting with them to be degrading, because I don't think anything has been more deleterious to my wellbeing than interacting with these horrible pieces of garbage.
>>51922960
At least you acknowledge that you're shitposting
>>51922960
One time this old boy hired me to clean up a childrens apparel shop at night, after closing, and the next day he say "This place looks worse than before you started." That's discrimination.
>>51922981
I apologize for ruining these threads, not that I think they could have amounted to much, and I'll stop. In fact, I really wont ever come back to /g/, or even 4chan.
>>51922910
The thread wasn't even active to begin with they're just talking to themselves.
>>51920737
My, this thead's gotten nasty.
Tbh, I think that an adult can use Windows or Mac OS or whatever he so chooses in an adult way, as you suggest. I really only made that comment to goad /g/ a little bit, though you all seem to do that just fine for yourselves.
Also, I get the sense that some posters on this board are simply unwilling to put in a little time to get familiar with a *nix system.
>if someone were to slap a label on a shit tier OS and say it was "adult" you would probably buy it
To defend myself a little here, part of the point of this thread is to cut through hype I have heard about OpenBSD and try to form my own opinion.
I hope your feelings weren't hurt when I implied your OS isn't adult ;)
>>51922784
>not recognizing angelaposting
Fuck off, newfag.
>>51922923
>I am retarded and I must post
Filtered.
>>51922953
I wouldn't put it past placebofags to actually believe this.
>>>/reddit/
>>51920737
>An OS that is balanced when it comes to system resources, speed, efficiency, simplicity, etc seems good to me.
>Windows 10
This is an abstract kind of shilling. True next-level shit. Surreal shilling. Shillvolution.
>>51922923
>trolling
what fucking site are you from? It can't even be reddit
>>51923203
if trips, I'll gtfo out right away
>>51923143
I actually feel some remorse, even if only because of interferences making sure I couldn't deliver the emotional devastation I intended to deliver to /g/, who really seem to think they're special.
>inb4 someone tells me to kill myself, just because they assume it will be easy to convince me to: no u
>it's too late to really hurt /g/'s feelings (which is the entire reason I came to /g/, actually)
If someone hadn't trolled /pol/ with that C+= bullshit, I wouldn't have started the trolling rampage.
I would not have spent years trolling jews on /pol/ if jews didn't keep being responsible for things that piss me off. (RIAA/MPAA who push for shit legislation I hate? jews.. all the post-9/11 bullshit seems to benefit Israel especially? jews did that too........)
OP here. I'll be signing off here in a few lines.
I just wanted to let you all know, that after this rousing discussion, I've decided it's best to just go back to windows 8.
I've learned a lot from this thread, and I'll miss every one of you special, special people.
Good night.
>>51923455
So, this entire thread you had to be trolling. Not surprising, actually.
>>51918980
win32diskimage
