At what price point is APU better than CPU + GPU?
I know high and mid end are dominated by dedicated GPU, but low end APU is fine. What would you say is the price point below which an APU starts to make sense?
Let's say for total price of CPU/GPU vs APU, ignoring other parts of the build.
i am a fan of integrated graphics, and ultimately sbc
>>51874751
I think below 500, an APU starts to make sense. Here's an example of a PC i built for my parents sometime ago:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4jFqCJ
There is no price point where an APU is better.
There is only one situation where an APU is better, and that is when you're REALLY pressed for space, or you never plan on upgrading. Like it's a HTPC or something you want to stick in the corner.
>>51874751
>combining CPU & GPU elements into a single chip
>AMD ACCELERATED PROCESSING UNIT
>AMD
Sorry, I forgot that most intel CPUs have over half their chip space dedicated to IGP.
So I ask the question, what the fuck is an APU.
>>51875071
AMDs' line of processors with integrated graphics. The PS3 and PS4 both used custom made APUs.
>>51875071
an APU is AMD's faggot excuse for having a large, noisy, power hungry parts with inferior technology sold for low low prices.
>>51874751
~$280 http://pcpartpicker.com/p/7zcj6h
>>51875071
Intel's iGPU generally isn't close to touching what an APU does
Broadwell beat it but those chips literally cost 500% what an APU costs because they have a 128mb cache on die for the GPU to be that fast
>>51874751
Pretty much no price point since GPUs exist on the used market. For the price of an APU you can get an 860K + GTX 460 that'll be nearly twice as fast.
The only point an APU would be worth it is if you were sitting on a SFF case and OEM PSU.
>>51875969
I wouldn't trust used hardware if your budget were that low for a PC, you'd want to minimize the risk of any dead parts
>>51874751
When you can't afford the $100+ extra dollars for a discrete gpu.
>>51875071
APUs have some nifty little tricks up their sleeve as part of HSA which makes AMDS chips with anemic CPUs punch far above their weight in terms of user experience.
>>51875980
$235
>>51874751
>At what price point is APU better than CPU + GPU?
I think falcon covers this pretty well in the logical increments buying guide.
>>51876033
Well then you got extremely lucky, I wouldn't suggest the average person take that risk, that's a decent chance to take if you're building a secondary rig, not a primary rig
>>51876032
Yeah, but who the fuck uses HSA? I've not heard of any hsa-optimized program yet
>>51876108
adobe was supposed to implement it at some point
Would a 5350 be worth it or should I go for like an A6 6400 or higher?
>>51875217
Technically yes, but the 'custom made' decreased CPU power (they're netbook cores dude) and increased GPU power (up to a 7850)
The console APUs are more like GPUs but with CPUs stuck on.
The Desktop APUs are more like bad CPUs and bad GPUs combined into something no-one wants.
This is about as cheap as a 7870k build can get. Swapping it out with a 860k and 370 doesn't cost that much more.
>>51876147
You want an A8 6700 build, it's hardly slower due to RAM limitations
>>51876125
You should specify the purpose of the computer first
Ive got an a8 7600 and it runs everything smooth as butter can play bf4 on high round 48 fps.
Cpu Temperature doesnt go lower then 70 degrees tho but thats just probably because its a amd.
>>51876183
Depends on what you're reading it with and what your cooler is
>>51876190
Speccy and stock cooler so thats probably the case
>>51876199
It's fine, AMD chips can handle up to 105C or something, assuming speccy is even reading it right
summers can get hot
>>51876057
For a lot of things you'll get to watch them power on. That XPS 8500 was no worry because I watched it boot. Same for my X3450/16GB 1U I picked up for $150.
Ebay has stupid protection for the buyer.
PC shit is so cheap that people don't really try to scam with broken parts. They'll just throw it out.
>>51876147
Is that without taxes?
>>51874751
they are crap, but if that's all you can afford you take what you can get.
however, if amd puts 1-2gb of hbm on an apu... well the low end discrete gpu market just died.
>>51876232
Even if it works you won't know how long it'll last or how heavily it had been used
only thing I'd maybe buy used is the case
>>51876157
think it's a typo, should probably be a7600.
the gains you get by going for a "better" apu are minimal.
take a look here http://www.anandtech.com/show/7677/amd-kaveri-review-a8-7600-a10-7850k
>>51876219
Don't even think about using auto-fire or I'll know.
>>51876344
Ya, A8 7600
here's an A10 7850K overclocked with 2400mhz RAM, it's almost on par with a low end dedicated GPU
RAM bandwidth is really holding the extra GPU cores in the A10s back
http://www.eteknix.com/amd-kaveri-a10-7850k-overclocking-unleashing-gcns-potential/6/
>>51876239
Before taxes and after rebate. Also doesn't include shipping.
>>51876183
That doesn't answer the question.
I have an X4 945 + 9600GT rig that would be in the same ballpark as your APU. Its performance doesn't mean you're going to be able to put together an X4 945 + 9600GT rig at a particularly great price point, though.
He didn't ask if an APU had X level of performance, he asked if it was ever better than the alternative. The answer is pretty much, "No."
>>51876249
>Even if it works you won't know how long it'll last or how heavily it had been used
You never know how long anything will last. But hint: buying used gets you past the initial break-in where a lot of shit dies. Get past the first 2-3 months and most things are good for 5+ years.
Heavy use? Guess what's made to be at full load 24/7? You didn't think CPUs, mobos, RAM, PSUs, and video cards were made to blow up if you used them for an hour straight and got them up to max temperature, did you? Parts have warranties that manufacturers don't want to have to serve.
>only thing I'd maybe buy used is the case
More great parts for me.
>>51875217
Lol the PS3 uses the cell architecture, not an x86 APU... Hell, it even has a nvidia chip for graphics
>>51876456
one can assume he meant to say the xbox one and ps4
>>51875872
Pentium G4500 (skylake) for $80 (£60)
Superior IGP performance, better core performance, cheaper.
Sorry this is 2015 there is literally no reason to go with some shitty 'AMD APU'.
>>51876462
One could stop being such a faggot and simply get it correct in the first place.
>>51876167
Gaming, for 2014 or older games
>>51874751
Daily reminder that all intel cpus are 'apus' without the marketing name and they've been doing it long before amd.
>>51876494
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/940-7/hd-graphics-530-pratique-jeux.html tells a different story.
not to mention that someone who chooses an apu is extremely sensitive to price, where the amd platform will be again fare better.
>>51876606
Fuck off shill. Just buy intel.
>let's build a cheap as fuck chip that doesn't perform particularly well for gaming and market it to gamers while simultaneously robbing sales from our value-oriented dedicated CPU and GPU line
Brilliant fucking plan AMD. APUs should never have been marketed directly to consumers for system building. Should have been cheap-shit prebuilt tablet-tier stuff/OEM only with the only AMD logo visible deep within an area no normie would ever look.
>>51874751
In some specific workloads (notably 3d rendering) and APU in some cases will be faster than a dedicated CPU (due to graphics acceleration on compute tasks)
>>51876108
The drivers replace a few bits of windows with HSA enabled components, like the jpg decoder.
>>51876119
Adobe has enabled quiet a few HSA applications already, most notably in Photoshop. There are a few other applications too but they're very much in the minority.
>>51876126
isn't the cpu on the ps4/xbone like 1.6 ghz?
>>51876628
Oh the ironing of this post
>>51876199
It is well known that speccy doesn't read it right. Use speedfan or the mobo manufacturers tools. According to speccy APUs are always on fire and the FX series are always below ambient. It's been years and they still haven't fixed it.
>>51876944
1.6 for the pisspoor and 1.75 for the xbone.
>>51876724
Almost all of AMD's "value oriented" products have been replaced with APUs. It makes perfect sense for them to make one chip with the functionality of two rather than making two completely different chips and spending twice as much on fabrication.
Buy an A10-7800k if you're interested in an APU, otherwise just buy an FX CPU, going from the budget 8320 to the performance 9350.
>>51877627
7870k*
>>51877025
I'm not disagreeing with the concept of the APU. Even if APU sales are keeping AMD afloat, I think APU marketing specifically has been a disaster for them.
>>51876628
Fucking lel
>>51876528
really? i dont remember intel cpus having gpus on them till sandybridge, amd's first was january 4th
also, if you want to compare the apu's until intels newest design, amd has always had the faster gpu but a 2 to 1 margin at worst.
>>51876874
yes, but given no one in their right fucking mind is going to render on an apu alone, its kind of a weak argument for it.
>>51877770
He's about half right. Before sandy bridge there was clarkdale/arrandale which had an iGPU on the package. The die for the iGPU was physically separate from the CPU die though and it even used a larger manufacturing process(45nm GPU vs 32nm CPU). AMD's APUs have always been one physical die.
>>51876606
Damn seems interesting.
Skylel Pentium, outperforms an A10 in terms of graphics. Plus, it has DDR4, which has more bandwidth right?
>>51878103
iris pro 6200 is one of the parts with 128mb edram on package, that makes a huge difference.
Around $400
>>51878103
>Skylel Pentium
What? Is i5 Pentium now?
>30% performance increase
>100% price increase
Nothing interesting here.
>>51876528
Daily reminder that you have no idea what you're talking about and that Intel's CPUs with IGP lack the "accelerated" bit from "accelerated processing unit"
>>51874751
APUs have been on discount on egg/amazon past few days. Newegg deals are over, but you can still get a a10 7870k for 129 on amazon
>>51876528
early intels had the igp on chipset rather than on cpu; like all other early igps.
>>51878235
>apu performing better than a four hundred dollar cpu+gpu combo
FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETARD
>>51878182
What?
>>51878498
iris pro 6200 has 128 mb of dram on the cpu die that is really fast
>>51878560
Ohh yea yea, sorry about that. Yea, I saw L4D2 being played on one, it performed well.
>>51874751
250 and lover
>>51874751
wait for zen m8
>>51875683
>low low prices
so what's the problem?
i mostly make music, but sometimes i play older (<2007) games. is APU right for me? is Intel or AMD better?
>>51876606
>p://www.hardware.fr/articles/940-7/hd-graphics-530-pratique-jeux.html tells a different story.
it's french
>>51879212
AMD APU is fine. Intel is most likely not, even for older games, because their implementation is just worse. I can't even play Fallout 3 without frame drops on my i5 4590 on the lowest settings. Poor drivers or hardware, I don't know, but I've seen actual games running on an AMD APU and they mostly work.
Games I've checked are Devil May Cry reboot and Tomb Raider reboot. Obviously not ultra settings, but medium on 1080p really does actually work.
>>51879419
that is teh sauce for the image, which should be easy to understand on its own. it also has graphs for f1, lol and bf4 with similar results
>>51880214
>Ultra
That test is retarded, the goal should be getting playable frame rates with an APU, not stressing it to hell and back to make them look bad
>>51881038
It's like there is no common ground anymore - it's either labeled "shit" or "great", there is no "average just works" these days. But that's what happens if you flood random Youtubers with the latest and greatest every single day in sponsored hardware and other tech.
Reminds me of benchmarks in which the GTX 950 and 960 got tested against a demanding game on 4k ultra settings. Just get the hell out with this nonsense.
I just don't get these people.
>>51874930
If you're building for someone (like parents) who need good facebook and multimedia support (hi def video) but don't need gaymen performance, APUs are the best bet.
>>51874930
an i3 would have been faster at the same price point
