Intended for users of all levels, including absolute beginners.
There are three ways to try Linux, you can:
1) Install a Linux OS on a VM (Virtual Machine/VirtualBox) for "safety purposes"
2) Use the Live ISO directly without installing anything, that way, you can get a "full Linux experience".
3) Go balls deep and overwrite everything with Linux (not recommended)
If you are serious about switching to Linux and if you have Windows dual-booted (recommended for pure newbies), we recommend you use it exclusively for 2 weeks, and avoid Windows dual booting for that period of time, or it's likely you will start retreating back to windows instead of getting used to Linux as your new home and working on making it feel the way you want it.
>Recommended for beginners:
-Ubuntu MATE
-Debian (For Broadcom devices, use an ISO that includes non-free firmware)
-openSUSE
-LinuxMint (a.k.a Ubuntu LTS + Cinnamon)
Before asking, please find the answers to your questions in resources.
Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly Linux Thread.
Understand that much of your software from Windows will be unavailable, although maybe wine can make up for it.
Resources:
man <insert command here>
your friendly neighborhood search engine
https://www.codecademy.com/en/courses/learn-the-command-line
https://wiki.archlinux.org/
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/
What is Linux (or GNU/Linux for Stallmanists)?
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux
Babby's First Linux (What distro to choose?)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux
What software does /g/ recommend? (Please DON'T include the so called infographic -- refer all your recommended software here.)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/List_of_recommended_GNU/Linux_software
Ricing on Linux (Make it good and functional or make it worse like those at desktop threads)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux_ricing
A script designed to ease the transition from Windows to Debian
https://github.com/Chocolate-Chip-Computing/DebianNewbieScript
We now have an entry in the install Gentoo wiki!
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php//flt/
IRC No one uses:
irc://irc.freenode.org:+7000/FriendlyLinux
I'm new at changing the looks of this and I was wondering if I test riced something on a virtual machine, can I just copy paste in the real computer and it'll just works?
>>51849886
As long as you have the files, of course.
Does anyone know where can I find icon fonts like Font Awesome?
Any way to check that I'm not getting MITM'd with the Tails iso? Perhaps a friendly anon could confirm the signature.
Hey, I installed Fedora 23 with GNOME 3 and disliked it, so I used dnf to install MATE and rebooted into it.
It was missing a bunch of features, most noticeably the ability to change lock screen background, a volume/brightness slider on the desktop, and the ability to change my touchpad settings (it's a laptop).
There were a bunch more issues and I fixed some of them, but I'm wondering why it was so shit.
I'm probably installing Gentoo soon anyway, and right now I'm using Cinnamon DE.
Anyone care to explain? I really, really like MATE, but I can't use it if it's going to not have anything.
>>51850227
You probably didn't install mate-desktop. MATE is literally GNOME 2.
I am using Mint Xfce but now I'm letting compiz do everything because I was having trouble with tearing. Which is mostly fixed by compiz but I still have trouble with some streaming sites.
>>51850425
What GPU do you have?
Hello linux people, winfag here. I'm getting interested in trying linux again after having only used Suse about 10 years ago. But I was wondering, what distro would be best for a high power gaming setup? Also, is suse still user friendly and good?
>>51850455
>high power gaming setup
Well, if you want to play Steam or GOG games then you should install a *buntu variant.
>>51850340
I installed mate-desktop, mate-compiz, and mate-utils. That's not the issue.
>>51850194
awesome font
>>51850437
This is a life extender on an old laptop. Pentium T4200 with a Radeon 4330. I tried installing the AMD/Radeon drivers and that didn't go well but playing with compiz has done OK.
I'm sorry but I'm still confused...
in bash:
What does$(programThatFailsAndProducesNoOutput)return?
Now, if you say it returns the exit code (1 or 0, I guess) then what exactly does ""$"" do? I've been told that $(program) use the output of the program and runs it as a bash command. So, then, does it return that AND the exit code? or Is the exit code only returned when there is no output? Or does ""$"" look at both stdout and stderr and decides which to return?
I looked at bash's manpage and I didn't see a ""$"" entry.
>>51850554
Ah, I gotcha. I had tearing issues with my Intel integrated GPU that I tried fixing with compositors and settings but I figured out later that all I had to do was edit an xorg config file and add:Section "Device"
Identifier "Intel Graphics"
Driver "intel"
Option "TearFree" "true"
EndSection
As far as I know that's only an option for intel gpus though.
>>51850536
why not ranger?
>>51850621
Pretty sure tearfree isn't implemented in the drivers he will be using.
>>51850645
Because you said you wanted a more gui manager. Ranger is very handy to have as well though.
>>51850512
You might want to install Fedora's MATE spin instead.
I'm sick of this shit.
Arch takes too much time
Debian is somehow too resource intensive
Nvidia support is non existent.
Anyone have a distro that is easy to use, lightweight, and will be comptible with the quadro 2000 with optimus in my w520?
>>51850805
Arch, itect.
>>51850805
Gentoo.
>>51850805
Fine, I'm going back to Arch. Anyway to get optimus running and still get decent performance?
>>51850805
no problems with debian here, for nvidia use bumblebee
>>51850849
Bumblebee
https://ptpb.pw/cZCs.webm
i want to install ESXi on a box currently running Ubuntu Server so I can try pfsense virtualized before I commit to buying hardware. Is there any way I can can reinstall Ubuntu Server as a VM without having to start completely over? It's currently running rtorrent+rutorrent, and a few local web services.
>>51850790
Yeah, that's what I was afraid of.
Well, I guess I'll just back my shit up.
>>51851141
You didn't make the /home partition separate, did you?
>>51849700
>Knifes
>not Knives
>>51851234
I did. Is that bad?
>>51851396
Well, it won't be *that* necessary to make a backup, just mount your /home to your new installation in Fedora.
What do loops evaluate in bash? Specifically while and until
I know that until isUNTIL [false] do; blabla; done
and while iswhile [true] do' blabla; done
But ,ultimately, is what it's evaluating an exit code? 0 for true non-zero for false?
>>51851533
Oh okay. I usually just back it up to a separate drive and copy it back once the OS is installed.
How do I pull this off without wiping everything?
I guess custom partitioning and then not deleting my home partition.
Thanks, man!
Intended for those who still have the older version
Are there any DE's with a comfy 90s feel other than GNUstep?
I wanna pretend I'm Main.
Arch or Debian for games?
>>51851629
A gaming console
>>51851586
kill yourself
>>51851612
I mean pretend I'm Lain
>>51851660
Thinking about it to be honest.
Let be pay my debts first
Why aren't you using C shell, /flt/?
>>51851716
cuz I'm using Bash
>>51851586
Recommendations no. 2:passwd rootor just passwd ?
Since you are the root, you don't really need to specify yourself
>>51851681
Just use Emacs.
>>51850566
$ is the program ran as normal user, while # is the program ran as su.
>>51851629
What games? If you want Steam or GOG games you'd be better off with one of the *buntu's to be honest.
>>51851796
Yeah, but what exactly does it return? The program's output? The exit code? both?
if I use ( $(program) ) as an entry to be evaluated and tested by, let's say, a while loop; what does it return to evaluate? the program's output? its exit code? What if the program has no output?
I'm pretty confused, I hate over-analyzing shit, but it's the only way that anything gets stuck in my head.
>>51851863
How crazy can I go ricing a *buntu
How stable is compiz? I've been told to keep away from the AUR
>>51852030
It's unmaintained.
>>51851986
As crazy as you want? You can install whatever WM/DE you want on pretty much any Linux distro.
If you want to rice then I'd do a netinstall using the minimalCD:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
Then you can pick and choose what all you're installing and don't start out with all of Ubuntu's bloat.
>>51852071
What should I get to achieve effects like GNOME in Xfce environment?
>>51852120
mutter?
Use whatever gnome uses?
so, what distro do you guys use?
>>51852244
funtoo
>>51852244
Arch
>>51852273
>le meme
>>51852291
You're the meme here though anon
>>51852312
epic upvote
>>51852244
Arch
>>51852327
thanks
>>51852244
Arch on my 2 laptops. Thinking about throwing a minimal ubuntu install with LXQT or LXDE onto my desktop for gaming.
>>51852244
I installed Mint last week to check out recent Cinnamon changes. I have to say I'm liking it a lot.
>decide to try linux
>install mint 17 with cinnamon onto VirtualBox
>it's literally Windows with less features
Besides the price, what would be a reason to use Mint? I literally could not find a single reason.
>>51852384
Eases you into Linux
I used it for about three months before jumping to Arch
>>51852398
So you think that Mint is only really good as a stepping stone of sorts? Maybe I should just try a different distro then because Mint seemed completely worthless to me.
>>51852450
Try Debian
>>51852376
Why do you use Mint? I'm just curious. What about it do you like that makes you use it vs. Windows?
>>51852450
I mean, Mint is probably the easiest, but shit like Ubuntu and Debian also work
>>51849700
Switching from fedora to centOS because fedora corrupted my raid partition.
Few questions
>Have raid partition of raid 0 by the software raid into in the BIOS
How do I get Linux/CentOS to have access of read/write to it
>How do I make centOS not have so shit of text and text rendering?
Any other very fucking stable distro out there, use to yum or dnf.
>>51850455
Try Sparky Linux
>>51852568
Why would you use distro for servers?
>>51852688
It seems it is the only way to not have a system full of shit that breaks when you use it for work.
I mean I visualized on ubuntu to only run into a kernel header issue 2 days later.
I simply want a system to watch movies, have decent online text and be reliable as fuck. The data I have on my raid is of high important and I cannot rely on my portable harddrive forever. Thus purpose of raiding, and the use of google drive.
>>51852469
Mint is light, stable, and doesn't follow the "ONLY FREE (AS IN FREEDOM) SOFTWARE ALLOWED" bullshit, meaning you will have all your drivers installed automatically and have more mainstream software on repos. It has all the good points of Ubuntu without all the bloatware from canonical.
And Cinnamon looks good, its lightweight, its easy to customize and have nice features like window tilint, title panel hiding automatically when in fullscreen (two features i missed a lot on KDE) and the nice desktop plugins manager.
Mint is overall is so easy to use and intuitive and foolproof, some times I feel like a dirty casual using it. But I can deal with that, I don't use linux for e-peen anyways.
How to use dual monitors on mint with virtualbox? I adjusted the monitor count to 2 in VBox settings but it didn't do shit
Sent from my virtual machine
>>51852735
>uses bleeding edge distro literally designed to be a testing ground
>thinks the only other thing to use is a server distro
>>51852741
>window tiling
Fix'd
>>51852688
Hang on, all linux and distro are built on server kernels. Linux is all servers with added shit for "desktop" use. I can use a server for desktop use as well. Just install a GUI and it is "Desktop" ready/.
>>51852568
>How do I make centOS not have so shit of text and text rendering?
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_configuration
>>51852568
Use Debian instead.
>>51852769
I have tried 72 different distros. So before you think I am a beginner, I am not. I have had to use bash to recover from some retarded system faults in most if not all Debian family distros.
I tried all the major distros, all variations of Debian, including Debian. When it comes to relying on a linux based distro using supported hardware, only redhat forks seem to have passed the test of time.
Then again I am also sharing my storage over a network, running visualized systems, and compressing large files using command tools like the tar file and more.
Is it just me or is Firefox/html5 always behind when it comes to Youtube? Like, I just finally go the fancy new player a few months ago and now apparently there are resolution options (like 1080p and 60fps) that I'm missing. Chromium works perfect so I pretty have that installed exclusively for watching videos.
>>51852800
Cheers for that. This in fact aided in my understand on fonts as well as fix my original question.
>>51852867
http://www.linuxveda.com/2015/04/02/enable-mse-native-html5-support-firefox-linux/
>>51852867
Screenshot your http://youtube.com/html5, and do this: >>51852899
>>51852867
Install smtube, mpv, and youtube-dl. Enjoy.
Pulling the triggeer on dual-booting Windows/Linux
Checked the wiki and it seems like debian vs. mint.
I want my DE to be:
Eventually riced, to the point of automation
>Log in
>Open popular links
>Open productivity stuff like timers/checklists
>Easily modified WM with tiles, workspaces for muh adhd
Easy to upgrade distro, "just werks" until I get the hang of using the terminal
What say you, /flt/? Mint or Debian?
hey friends
I'm trying to get the hang of installing and running software,
how am I supposed to execute a .sh file?
by default it's opened with a text editor
It's studio.sh of android studio btw
>>51852741
Yes, but why not use Windows? t has more driver support and more mainstream software than Mint could ever have. I'm just struggling to understand why your using it when, and I could be wrong, it seems like Windows with less features.
>>51852993
Windows is a bloated pile of botnet shit. If you like eating shit then feast away.
>>51853014
Prove it.
>>51852899
>>51852916
That mediasource stuff didn't work a while ago, but now it does. Weird. Thanks!
>>51853024
epic
>>51852993
Microsoft shills aren't allowed in /g/flt/, go away.
>>51852936
Debian
>>51853024
>>51852974
nvm it was just typing sh studio.sh in the terminal
Hello fellow linkucks users.
What's the best way to install on an already installed Windows 10?
Also debian or arch? I've only ever used arch. Never debian.
>>51853075
Showing screenshots of menus doesn't prove anything.
>>51853097
http://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
>>51853097
>chronic denial
>>51853054
Obviously I'm not a microsoft shill, I just use Windows and I wanna try Linux, but after booting Mint I'm discouraged.
>>51853094
UEFI I'll assume? Make sure secure boot is disabled
When you install mount /boot to the ESP and install systemd-boot or GRUB in EFI mode.
Also set the time to UTC.
>>51853075
>We'll turn it back on automatically
hahahah holy shit
>>51853118
Cool, stay with windows then.
>>51852974
./file.sh in terminal, you might need to chmod +x file.sh first
>>51853075
>mfw reading through this
I'm a dumb fuck and tried to dual boot my windows 8.1 laptop with gentoo. For whatever reason I couldn't get grub to install correctly and now my laptop can't find any bootable device on startup.
What do? Reformat and try again? Or can I recover windows to do it later in a VM like I'm not retarded?
>>51852993
Personally I feel a lot safer on Linux.
>>51853188
Boot into a live ISO (make sure it's on UEFI or BIOS for whichever it's supposed to) and reinstall grub, and make a new config
>>51852993
Well, I have a pirated Windows 7 on the dual boot. I didn't like the changes Microsoft did on W8 and I liked W10 even less.
I'm a nerd that works as a net admin, so I've always used linux more than windows. With microsoft stuffing windows with more spyware bullshit every new version I'm just using windows less and less.
There are actually very few windows software that doesn't have a very good linux counterpart or isn't compatible with wine. I'm not interested in playing any AAA games, and I don't use heavy stuff like Photoshop. There's literally nothing compelling me to buy windows over just installing linux. And Im from a 3rd world country where even the cheapest windows license costs more than a monthly salary, so there's that, too.
>>51852469
I like that it hasn't shit itself or become unstable. I ran win 7 but then it became unstable and unable to install updates, so then I went to win 10 (free, fresh install from a school account). It constantly freezes when browsing the web, no matter what browser.
So I partitioned the drive and put in mint, which doesn't shit itself or freeze. It's not perfect but it's just as good as windows with less bullshit.
I wonder why people spend so much to get Windows when they can spend $0 and have a Linux distro that works as well and is more stable.
>>51853248
>dual boot
Why don't you just run a VM?
>>51853227
Thanks. Is there anything I need to do with the boot partition? I figure I probably fucked it up along the way since it won't boot anything.
>>51853248
damn, what country?
>>51851612
IceWM
FVWMVWMWMW is pretty nice
AfterStep
CDE
>>51853075
I feel like whoever made that looks like this guy.
>>51853291
I only boot windows when I'm going to play Elder Scrolls Online with my irl friends.
Everything else i do on linux.
Even all the other games I enjoy playing (basically Dota 2, TF2, CS, Unreal Tournament and roguelikes) have native linux support.
>>51853321
Pic related.
>>51853404
What's it like there? Lots of crime or is it relatively normal?
>>51853388
Are you suggesting the screenshots are fake?
>>51853426
relative to what?
>>51853404
#NeverForget
>>51853426
Going from a rich neighborhood to a poor neighborhood feels like going from New York to Somalia in a short walk, with middle class neighborhoods in between where people live the worst of both worlds.
Its kinda bad, but we get what we deserve. No country is better than us at electing incompetent, corrupt politicians.
>>51853463
I wish i could say that nobody cares about the fiasco our soccer team had at the world cup. But retards take soccer very seriously here.
I fell for the meme, /flt/. I'm installing Gentoo. What do I do after I'm done?
>>51853634
Give up and reinstall Windows.
>>51853634
Install and configure a DE/WM of your choice.
Install firefox + ABP + greasemonkey + 4chanX
Come back to /flt/ to shitpost with the rest of us.
>>51853685
>ABP
uBlock Origin is techincally better :^)
>>51853715
I don't care, I've been using ABP for many years now and it works just fine for me.
>>51853295
Mount the ESP to /boot
>>51853064
I've been mulling over the installation instructions for debian and its become mind boggling on properly installing without fucking up partitions/drivers.
Sorry to disappoint you anon but I'm gonna dual boot mint for the time being, reading up on trying to dual boot debian makes it seem way riskier and convoluted compared to the wiki directions on dual booting mint. Make fun of me if you want.
>>51853729
Enjoy your new botnet.
>>51853890
>using botnet unironically
>>51853845
Easy doesn't always mean bad. I've been using Linux for over ten years but I like Mint. I mean I'm not going to run it on my servers, but on the desktop it's just dandy.
>>51853903
> implying botnet isn't real
Fucking everything is botnet. Fucking everything harvests information and/or is a tool for corporations to advertise and brainwash you.
Everything closed-source is guaranteed botnet, anything open-source means you'll be forced to use botnet to do the shit you usually would.
And then fucks like you go and say shit like
> who cares if I'm being monitored?
> I got nothing to hide
And call people who recognize this paranoid nutcases while simultaneously agreeing that were being fucking spied on.
Fuck off you botnet shill.
Could anyone give me an idea as to why my crontab isn't working? I did start the daemon with systemctl
>>51854228> /dev/null
Hey, I installed Fedora 23 on my buddy's laptop.
It started freezing and cycling the fan loudly whenever he closed it or tried to shut the laptop off with the shutdown option.
I fixed the laptop closing thing but the shutdown thing still baffles us.
I downgraded him to 22 and it still does this. Can anyone figure out why? It started when we uninstalled Windows 10.
>>51854481
Yeah, I just changed that so I could see what it was outputting. I'm currently researching the error
holy fucking shit /g/
I am on Arch Linux and using Code::Blocks. I am attempting to cross-compile my project to yield a Windows executable.
I have been trying to follow this guide but it is shit and outdated: http://wiki.codeblocks.org/index.php/File:Settings_compiler_debugger_directories.png
To install the minGW32, I installed mingw-w64-gcc using pacman. Then I followed the guide, with a couple of changes:
First, my base directory is called /usr/i686-w64-mingw32/.
Second, in the "Toolchain executables" tab, I have that the compiler's installation directory is /usr/bin since the compilers don't exist in /usr/i686-w64-mingw32/.
Then I go to build options, switch my compiler to cross_windows, hit F9, and... nothing happens. No executable is generated, and the program runs as if I had just used GCC.
Any advice? This is thoroughly pissing me off.
I suddenly lost a folder containing video files on my Ubuntu Server machine, I have loadavg installed and the graphs shows that disk usage went from 90% to 60% at a certain hour today.
How can I find out what happened, I've checked journalctl and cannot find anything strange around the time that the files were deleted.
>>51854535
I don't use Code::Blocks so the only question I can ask is: do you know how to cross compile it yourself from the command line yourself? If so try to apply it to the Code::Blocks settings
>>51855208
nvm fixed :^)
>>51852974
Just a follow up:
If you often write scripts you can just put them in a folder and add that folder to the PATH variable and then you can just use the name of the file.
If you launch a lot of scripts from various places, using a file manager such as dolphin is really nice as it has a built in terminal so you don't have to open another terminal and then cd into it.
Hullo, gentoo person reporting for duty!
I should be able to answer most non-systemd questions ( it blew up my server so hard I don't ever want to use it again)
I do some coding, and can help with bash and other cli thingies (also, why no command line interface terminals ;)
>>51853601
>Its kinda bad, but we get what we deserve
Well, all kinds of third-worlders somwhat close to Europe somehow suddenly decided they deserve to live in Europe, and keep pouring in.
Latin America following suit and storming the US/Canada when?
>>51853463
What is this? A heap of poo inside a soccer goal?
>Linux
Not for much longer, it seems. The major distro maintainers have brought it upon themselves and everybody else by accepting the monster that shall subsume all.
>>51855737
>Latin America following suit and storming the US/Canada when?
Uh, since forever?
>>51855768
Are 10+ thousand illegals entering the US everyday just as what has been happening in Europe since over half a year now? I don't think so.
>>51851555
returning 0 means the code finished with no errors
>>51855785
No, because they already live here.
my ubuntu 14.04 won't start Unity, it just switches to the F1 terminal thing. I think an update broke it, could be nvidia update or something else. How would I uninstall the drivers to check? remove nvidia* or something?
>>51855932
Ah yes, the nvidia borkage.
Iirc, remove xorg-nvidia-drivers and install nouveau. You should double check the names using apt-cache beforehand.
I hope this gets X up again.
>>51850805
Xubuntu
Is makepkg for advanced users?
>>51856560
Not really. You need to use it if you're building anything from the AUR or if you're going to (re)compile any archlinux packages.
>>51850227
The lock screen background is a real issue for me, too. You can change it by replacing the standard wallapper used in the lockscreen in /usr/share/backgrounds
I did some trial and error to find the right file. It sucks that it's a workaround and that there is no other way. What also sucks is that there is no way of changing lots of the touchpad settings, I just want to have natural scrolling, ffs.
>>51852244
Ubuntu MATE. Pretty okay. Easy to rice.
i tried arch with architect installer, but i was in trouble configuring AUR, is there an easy to do it?
>>51851767
Noted. Thanks
>>51856772
Make executable and run:sudo pacman -S wget base-devel yajl
mkdir -p ~/temp/AUR/ && cd ~/temp/AUR/
wget https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/snapshot/package-query.tar.gz
tar xfz package-query.tar.gz
cd package-query && makepkg
sudo pacman -U package-query*.pkg.tar.xz
echo --wget and package query are now installed, installing yaourt--
wget https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/snapshot/yaourt.tar.gz
tar xzf yaourt.tar.gz
cd yaourt && makepkg
sudo pacman -U yaourt*.pkg.tar.xz
>>51856772
Install yaourt.
Okay flt I replaced Xfwm with Awesome and set up Mod+W to open up the whiskermenu just like before.
My problem now is that when Awesome maximizes a window, it goes over the xfce4 panel.
How can I fix this?
>Linux thread
>is actually about GNU+Linux
>>51856891
>using gnu
>not using busybox
>>51856891
>he's still using bloated gnu-coreutils and glibc
>not busybox+musl-libc
>>51856905
>>51856899
99% of these threads is about GNU+Linux
>>51856908
>>51856908
And for that 1%, we call the thread the Linux Thread instead of the GNU+Linux thread. One is ambiguous and thus inclusive. The other is disambiguous and thus noninclusive. We want it to be as inclusive as possible.
>>51856908
>GNU+Linux
>not systemd+Linux, because GNU doesn't have its own init :^)
>>51856891
get the fuck out, topkek420
>>51857152
please keep your non-free pepes out of this space
>>51857152
all rare pepes in a single webm
>>51857191
Thank you so much
How to roking enviromnent without systemd/libsystemd?
I installed eudev, libsystemd-udev, dbus-nosystemd, and other from the AUR but the best I got was no mouse and network in X.
How do you guys do it?
>inb4 don't remove systemd
>>51857234
There is literally nothing wrong with systemd. Did you take your good boy pills today?
>>51857234
Just use systemd, the best you can do is this:
http://systemd-free.org/
>>51857234
you're better off running a distro that doesn't ship systemd from the start
>>51857234
Just use Slackware
>>51857251
Has anyone tried using this guide with ArchLinux ARM?
>>51857234
install funtoo.
>>51857270
fuck that
>>51857244
nice meme
>>51857234
First off, systemd is not an init system, it has an init system as part of the systemd suite. systemd is a project to build a standardised lowlevel userland for Linux. The project is pretty comprehensive and it delivers a lot of functionality under one umbrella. It does away with a lot of older, often undermaintained software packages, which were traditionally used to assemble a low level userland.
Which is where the contention comes from, as a system suite systemd is restrictive for Unix virtuosi who are used to tailor a system with wit, ingenuity, a lick and a prayer and a couple dozen of unrelated packages. systemd makes such knowledge useless.
The faction that thinks that systemd is Linux's Hiroshima, finds all the added functionality bloat, unnecessary and dangerous, as it is all under development in one project.
All the systemd jokes stem from the comprehensiveness as a low level system suite. People against it love to joke that one day systemd will write its own kernel.
There is a lot of FUD and hate going around. Some arguments do have merit, a lot of eggs in one basket is certainly true, but as with all things in life, it depends which tradeoff you prefer. Do you want a suite of well designed software, working closely together, so that system management is streamlined or do you want the complete freedom to tailor your own low level system with a lot of time tested, interchangeable components.
I have no desire to be a low level system designer, so I prefer systemd. I don't hate traditional init systems though. If a Linux system has one and I need to work with it, I'm still happy it boots and starts the necessary services.
>>51857191
Got the animated one at 15 seconds?
>>51857307
>well designed software
>>51857307
Why don't you just answer him instead of pastering?
There are eudev and even vdev in aur now but information is very scarce.
>>51857320
over 1000 pepes
http://imgur.com/a/U2dTR
>>51857281
This fucking argument again. If you fucking like the old init system, why not go and help maintain the poor thing. There's a fucking reason almost all distros are switching to systemd.
>>51857340
I didn't present an argument though anon.
There are quite a few actively maintained init systems, there's really no problem with that.
It is being adopted because it is a cancerous tumour, not because of any merit it claims to have.
>>51857307
>It does away with a lot of older, often undermaintained software packages,
well done.
>>51857334
That's a major collection imgyr needs to take it down soon. The supply of pepes need to be controlled
>>51857332
pretty sure there is information in the wiki about how to install them and get them working. Really though, if you care enough to bother you should probably use a distro which doesn't support systemd by using as default.
>>51857340
But I do. OpenRC is fine.
>There's a fucking reason almost all distros are switching to systemd.
There is, and it's not because systemd is objectively good software. It's a calculated and concentrated push by a multi billion dollar company who want their half baked rushed software to replace time tested stable systems in an effort to "standardize" the low level userland to make Linux an easier sell for enterprise systems.
>>51857361
I love systemd because a small majority of autist faggots get so butt blasted about it. One of the reasons I switched to Linux was so that I could the sperging first hand
>>51857377
do you use eudev anon? how did you set it up?
>>51857400
It ships with Funtoo so I didn't have to do anything.
>>51857307
>It does away with a lot of older, often undermaintained software packages
The only shitty undermaintained software it replaces, is crap like ConsoleKit, the comes from the same retards that bring you systemd.
>>51857397
kek
>>51857400
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Eudev
>>51857400
https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=OpenRC,_an_alternative_to_systemd#Replacing_systemd_with_eudev_.28advanced_users.29
>>51857397
>lol i troll u
go to bed, Lennart
>>51857430
Oh I'm sorry did I trigger you ??? Also I wish 4chan supported emoji
Why do some programs not use the correct icon from Numix Circle while others do?
The DE is XFCE
>>51857446
No, I just thought you captured Lennart's attitude pretty well.
>>51857446
>le master troll :^)
>>51857417
>>51857428
I followed those but apg pkgs, at boot systemd-udev was not found, X worked, keyboard needed a few new lines in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ but I did not figure how to enable any network interface and have mouse work
>>51857452
The symlink is missing.
>>51857460
Nice pic mind if I save it?
>>51857452
It's Numix Circle themepacks fault
is there any possibility on something like Debian without systemd? I want to do programming but maintenance for Gentoo and ricing keeps me out of focus every time.
>>51857540
Install zfcgcct
>>51857486
But they look fine in Whisker Menu
>>51857494
So is that only an issue on XFCE? Because it worked fine on Unity
>>51854228
using $ when it should be ~/home/
it does not require a variable destination when the ~ defines current user
just a thought
>>51857549
What the fuck is zfcgcct?
>>51857540
>muh systemd boogeyman
lolk
>>51857571
Probably too cutting edge to be on gentoo
>>51857549
nice shitpost memer
>>51857477
>I did not figure how to enable any network interface
read the gentoo docs on using openrc, it's pretty simple
>rc-update add wpa_supplicant default
>>51857610
Do you even pacman -Syu atleast once a day?
>>51857677
nah, I don't Arch. i got to the point that I just want to get on with my life instead of maintaning.
>>51857677
>Do you even pacman -Syu atleast once a day?
How many times do you -Syu per day?
>>51857713
Once when u wake up, and once before I go to bed
>>51857727
Have you triedyaourt Job?
>>51857677
>Do you even pacman
Absolutely disgusting
>>51857751
Shit is depricated
>>51856921
Daily reminder that posting screenshots of fake posts is cancer.
>>51857540
Read the debian wiki page about systemd. There is a guide to install without systemd on the bottom.
>>51856899
>using busybox without being forced to
Why?
Sorry for the dumb question, but im trying to re-install ubuntoo. How do i know if i fuck'd up installing it the first time? For example with the partitions of the SSD
>>51858374
To take the GNU out of GNU/Linux.
>>51851629
I personally found Arch to be better, the drivers on Debian have been weird as fuck to get working correctly for me
>>51857635
What about the systemd-udevd missing during boot after replacing with eudev?
Can Wine/PlayOnLinux detect my video games on a NTFS hard drive? Or do I need to get a new HDD, format it for ext4, then install the games again via Wine?
I don't understand what those "virtual drives" really entail.
>>51858687
Wine doesn't "detect" anything, you should be able to click and run if the drive is mounted correctly. Watch out for missing libraries!
>>51858727
So theoretically speaking, if I'm able to run them fine on Windows, they will aswell, via Wine; is that correct?
Yeah I heard about the libraries, not sure what to expect for the moment. I'm just gonna follow guides for the games I need.
>>51858764
Generally, yes.
appdb.winehq.org can tell you specifics.
I need to access a /home/user/ directory from a live cd to copy some files. I have a Lubuntu usb ready but it does not let me open the directory. How to get past the (permission?) restrictions?
>>51851586
gnome-keyring instead of gnome_keyring
>>51858854
Cheers mate, I'll try and look into it
>>51858885
Short version: sudo su -
Otherwise you can Futz with mount or add a user to match the uid
>>51858399
It shouldn't matter of you fucked up the first time so long as it still runs
>install ubuntu 15 last night
>see this thread today
>all this talk about Mint
>install Mint over Ubuntu
Color me impressed /g/...
What's the best way to install debian on an already existing Windows 10?
>>51859223
Disable "secure boot" I.e. windows only mode. Its in the bios. Then a normal install should work
>>51851983
>>51850566
$ is variable expansion. When you do $(program), you get the standard output of the program that ran.
If the program doesn't write anything to its stdout, you get nothing.
As for exit codes, as you may know, the variable $? saves the exit code of the most recent command.
If you're using that expression as an argument to another command, for example, "stat $(which ls)", the exit code is lost because $? will contain the exit code of the command which in this example is stat.
If you're using it in a variable assignment, for example "LS=$(which ls) the exit code is saved in $? and you can use it.
The section in the bash manual where they explain this is "Command Substitution".
>>51851555
It's evaluating the exit code. 0 is true, anything nonzero is false. It's counter-intuitive, but when you think about it, there are many ways a command can fail but generally only one way it can succeed, so 0 is true.
my OCD is peaking these past two days, going to reinstall Arch after encrypting my ssd, what files should I back up other than my home folder.
Is there a way tocheck all the files I manually edited in /etc/
>>51856799
thanks anon
How can I backup just the configs of my programs in Linux? I mean for example all the DE settings and appeareance I have set.
Just the settings and config files, as if wanting to restore a riced version
What GNU/Linux distro should I use for programming?
inb4 yoboontoo
>>51860495
anyone really. They are all good for it.
>>51860521
I was going to do Debian but I do not like how they position in for non-free shit.
do you have NSA SELinux enabled or disabled? Talking about compiling the kernel here.
