/g/, I'm currently choosing parts for a ~$1500 build and I want to know if I should spend a little extra for a Skylake CPU. Is there any real advantage to buying a Skylake CPU over a Haswell CPU?
Clock for clock Skylake is 5% faster.
But the 4790K overclocks better, has a lower TDP and doesn't bend with heatsink pressure.
>>51814553
>Haswell overclocks better
We all love to shit on Memelake but this is false, Skylake overclocks better.
>>51814553
My 4790K doesn't like to go past 4.6ghz without feeding it way too much voltage.
>>51814566
>>51814624
Lottery.
>>51814631
I've seen a lot of posts saying 4.7/4.8.
>>51814673
I've been hearing a lot of talk about the demise of pirates and the rise of global warming.
>>51814809
>>51814857
My 6700k is running a stable 4.8, and I got that just by doing the auto overclock with AI Suite 3.
>2x price
+5%
>>51814857
>synthetic benchmarks translating to tangible performance increases
Call when skylake will get me 20fps more, not 2.
>>51814504
Ignore the memetards if you wanna future-proof yourself with DDR4.
>>51814504
Lower Temp on Skylake if you got poorfag casing that has not so good airflow
If you dont want to get 3rd party cpu fan just go Skylake.
If you're gonna buy a 6700k, just get yourself a 5820k. Otherwise get a 6600k over a 4690k.
Definitely go Skylake. The Z170 chipset mobo manufacturers are releasing bios that can overclock non-K CPUs.
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/12/11/1637232/locked-intel-skylake-cpus-can-be-overclocked-after-bios-update
>Not going Haswell-E
Holy shit, if you don't have this or the 5960X you may as well kill yourself
x99 for lyfe
>>51815597
>yeah goy buy a locked chip that will eventually get a fix from intel to keep it locked
>>51815716
the fix is from the motherboard manufacturer's, not intel
I'm upgrading from an 8320. Should I get a 4690k for 195 bucks(or less around Christmas) or should I get something else? 4790k is like 270 bucks as well. Give me your opinions
I remember when Haswell came out people were saying the exact same shit they are right now about Skylake.
>Haslel, Shitwell, no performance improvement, etc
Get Skylake, OP.
>>51815667
Honestly i forgot about the e version haha oh well i caved for Hasewell.
6700k masterrace reporting in
FX4130 master race here
I look forward to the next three years of jealous poorfags spamming haswell masterrace every thread.
>>51815497
>if you don't want to get an aftermarket HSF, go buy a processor that doesn't come with an HSF.
Kill yourself immediately.
>>51816321
>jealous
Yes I'm so jealous of your pointless purchase when my 2600k performs basically as well your 6700k in real life experience. Diminishing returns nigger, learn what it means.
>m-muh benchmarks!!
Your 15% increase is like people boasting about their 1gb/s SSD speeds in comparison to my 800mb/s.
Makes no difference except in benchmarks.
>>51816374
>Buying the fanless k version when you can overclock non-K Skylake w/ fans attached
Topgoy
>>51815877
>I remember when Haswell came out people were saying the exact same shit they are right now about Skylake.
>>Haslel, Shitwell, no performance improvement, etc
>Get Skylake, OP.
This is pretty much every generation. People here are dumb and expect 20-50% performance increases in a single generation on day one of release, as if that's ever happened in the history of ever.
The only problem with Skylake is that it is a new platform with new RAM, so the total cost of entry is pretty fucking steep, so steep you might as well just have gotten an X99/Haslel 6-core system (and you still future proof your RAM to boot).
I'm an ITX guy though so I'm pretty much going Skylake for my soon-to-be system. (Although there is technically one shuttle X99 ITX mobo; it's not a very good one and it feels pretty dumb to go X99 and not have quad channel RAM or at least SLI).
>>51816432
Enjoy your 100Mhz max overclock.
>>51816416
>Diminishing returns nigger, learn what it means.
This is the most overused and meaningless thing /g/ spouts.
The best bang for your buck would be some Pentium 4 you dumpster dived from your local library, as it will let you troll on /g/ just as well as your 2600K. Diminishing returns, bro.
Don't even try to bring up gaming. PC gaming and value is lelelelelel.
>>51815018
Skylake is cheaper than Haswell in Straya.
>>51815774
Get the 4790k.
I promise you, you'll immediately be back here laughing at AMD shills and defending Israel.
I went from an 8350 to a 4790k, there's no comparison.
>>51816446
Zen will be 40%, what's intel's excuse?
ITT no gamers
>>51816528
THIS
i went from a phenom 2 x4 3.0ghz to a 4790k 2 days ago, i cant push it harder because it has the stock cooler, wich im going to change, but still it a fucking train.
>>51816478
But the purpose of the i5 and i7 processors IS gaming. i7s not solely gaming though, those are marketed to people who game and do things that benefit from multiple threads. Gaming is the single biggest seller for these processors. If you need to do rendering, computations, servers, etc, you buy a Xeon.
The 6700k is hardly any better than the 4790k is hardly better than the 2600k for gaming and similar purposes. 5% is not a good enough reason to upgrade unless you like wasting money.
You're the real poorfag for not owning a 5980X. Enjoy your poorcessor!
>>51816616
>hyperthreading
>solely gaming
gaming doesn't even take advantage of the i7. You can i5 can be just fine for gaymen.
>>51816642
Read what I said.
Is overclocking worth it? Should I get 6600K or 6500?
>>51816616
Unless you're buying one of the very expensive Xeons they are basically i7s without the Integrated GPU and higher cache latency.
It's actually better to buy an older gen Xeon and use that instead of wasting money on an i7 for gaming. Older ones can be placed in normal i7 motherboards as well. Skylake went full jew and locked the Skylake Xeons only to server motherboard chipsets.
>>51816676
Do you want a 1-10 fps boost at a $100+ price tag and shortening of your cpu life?
>>51816642
I hope it games start to using it. I just bought a 4790 k haha
>>51816676
I got a 4690 non-K for $210 2 weeks ago, them the 6600 was the same price onsale. Sometimes it's worth it getting the non-K.
>>51814673
I can hit 4.9 with a bit of voltage haven't really dialed it in though. I keep it at 4.7 and temps are good given my shit airflow, they never go past 75c
>>51816642
Someone hasn't played any DICE titles or tried out Planetside 2
>>51817129
>cherrypicking terrible games
>tfw have a 2500k
do you guys think its time to upgrade?
all i do is play biddy james and render videos in vegas
>>51814504
whichever is cheaper, they're effectively the same chips.
unless you're using a heavy heatsink, in which case go haswell
![[HorribleSubs] YuruYuri S3 - 10 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_17.43_[2015.12.10_23.43.09].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ewXl1lt.jpg "[HorribleSubs] YuruYuri S3 - 10 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_17.43_[2015.12.10_23.43.09].jpg")
>>51817538
I still have 2500k @4.3ghz. I have no plans to upgrade forever.
6600k or 6700k for gaymin?
>>51817538
Don't do it, man. My brother has a 2600k and I have a 5960X and I'm STILL jealous.
>>51817651
If you're going to build a gaming computer, get the best you can afford.
Why the fuck would you cheap out so you have to upgrade sooner? If you can get it, get the i7.
>>51816492
well, Skylake costs like 1.5 times more than Hashlel does.
even though OP, I'd go with the Haswell i7. There's literally no need to spend extra cash on something, which bends under the heatsink (>>51814553).
>>51816756
Is this too much voltage?
I'm new to overclocking. I'm also not sure why the core voltage seems to be so different. Its set to 1.36 in the bios, but these programs are showing it differently during load. I had it at 4.8ghz and 1.38 voltage for a few hours with no hiccups, but the voltage seemed to jump up to like 1.46 quite often, which didn't seem like a good thing so I dropped it down. I'm still not sure if its too high, although the temperatures seem more than fine.
>>51819364
thats fine intel recommends anything 1.45 or lower
>>51817675
Speccy + timestamp or you're lying
i am building my first gaming pc and i am not sure which parts to pick, i am not planning on overclocking so do i need a cpu cooler?
any suggestions or advice?
>Is it worth it upgrading to if you only see 5% performance increase? No.
>Is it worth upgrading to if you're coming from a generation before haswell or ivy bridge? Yes.
https://rbt.asia/g/thread/S51793464#p51798622
Mobilefag here. Should I go for i7-6700HQ which gives me DDR4 instead of i7-4720HQ? The price difference isn't big at all. Saving bucks would be better, but I'm ready for an extra 60-80$ if that's anyhow future-proof.
I'm worried about heating and throttling.
Skylake is not a big performance improvement, from 2011, both Intel and AMD didn't improved much cpu speed comparing this with last decade (for example core duo after p4 or the introduction of the athlon64), they mostly added new features.
So on the performance side not much of a big difference. But DDR4 is the big deal, also with other changes which makes skylake run cooler than haswell, I don't remember what but intel moved some CPU internal controller to the chipset to avoid heat on the CPU.
So I guess you can overclock skylake more, but yeah the problem with the too thin wafer seems legit so you better choose a cooler that officially support skylake.
>>51815145
my dick will be so hard if this happens
>>51816446
>People here are dumb and expect 20-50% performance increases in a single generation on day one of release, as if that's ever happened in the history of ever.
We saw exactly that sort of absurd pace from 1985 up through the PIII Tualatin. Then Intel spent years with their head firmly up their own asshole on Netburst, which allowed the Core 2 Duo to be the single biggest upgrade for Intel purists in over a decade.
>>51820932
Can't overclock !well! without a 'k' series processor Goy
>>51815667
>Holy shit, if you don't have this or the 5960X you may as well kill yourself
I just bought this on the Intel Retail edge program for $199.
did i fuck up?
MANDATORY READING
http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1449928871866.pdf
MANDATORY READING
>>51816446
>People here are dumb and expect 20-50% performance increases in a single generation on day one of release
Not really "dumb", just naive.
Intel can certainly deliver that performance leap, but they release shit incrementally (like Madden). They deliberately sabotage every release to maximize profits.
>>51820932
If you're not overclocking, you don't need a Z170 motherboard. Step it down and go for H170 instead.
And no, you don't >need< an aftermarket CPU cooler, the stock one might get loud though.
What microcode revision is /g/ using?
>>51821408
Bull; frequency scaling stopped, and that was the primary reason for gain for quite some time.
Intel bet on it continuing, hence why they built Netburst. They legitimately thought it'd hit 10ghz, but it plateaued at 3.8ghz with worryingly high power usage.
The difference between an equal clocked Pentium 3 and Core 2 is smaller than you'd think.
>>51820932
>Asrock
>no ssd
Let me predict your next 3 years: You'll return your motherboard after realizing its bios is absolute shit or DOA; and then your mechanical drive will fail in 2 years because you're constantly using the platter for boot.
See you in the canonlake-generation when you grow up and finally have the balls to build a real system.
>>51816416
>2600k
Did you pull that out a dell optiplex you found in a dumpster?
>>51821489
which motherboard would you recommend?
best CPU i ever had
>>51821449
>he believes intel's lies about "limitations"
Get x99 and go about your business. I wish I got a 5820k, but didn't have time to save up for it.
>>51821614
Then why isn't AMD putting out 10ghz Bulldozer superchips
Theres only so far you can push silicon
who skylake master race here
>>51816616
Games are optimized to run on toys designed for children using antiquated seven year old hardware. Whenever a title actually comes out that sees a benefit from cpu like fallout poorfags cry shit programming. Actual pc titles that tax the cpu like skylines and anno are ignored since they aren't played by children.
>>51821816
Here bro. Just fired it up yesterday.
>>51821841
oh and inb4 >no SSD you pleb
Waiting for the 950 M.2 NMVe to be available, so it' ok for now.
>>51821846
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Series-512GB-PCIe-NVMe/dp/B01639694M
Thats been out a while, different country?
Currently building a PC that's supposed to last me for 5 years or longer.
Obviously it would be dumb not to buy an overclockable CPU. Thing is that I have never overclocked. Would it be stupid to buy a i5-6600k and overclock it some years later when I need it?
>>51821937
Why are people afraid of it, you just type in a multiplier. It couldn't be easier. If nothing else just hit the im a faggot oc for me button most mobo tools have.
>>51821978
Okay, can you recommend a brand for easy overclocking? I plan on getting informed eventually do it on my own, I currently don't have the time.
Also, what I've been reading a lot:
"Overclocking is a placebo and you don't actually feel the difference."
That's just bullshit, right?
>>51821937
It'd be dumb to buy at the tail end of this generation mate. It'd be like buying a 4890, 7950GT, or Ti4; and expecting 5 years out of it. Major generational shift next series.
>>51821891
Yep. Let's say that, to be honest, can be found here and there but, I'm waiting for more availability and thus better pricing.
In the meanwhile I'm playing a bit with the new Win10 as I come from 7.
So, when I'll need to format because you know, mistakes/clean install/learnt what to install and what not I will do it directly on this SSD.
>>51822093
Thing is, I have all components except for CPU(+cooler), mainboard and RAM. What should I do? Buy some cheap, old stuff and wait for the new generation? That would be such a waste as well.
>>51822182
>he already bought components
I would upgrade if there was at least 2x performance increase from i7-4770k but there hasn't been any.
>>51822067
Overclocking isn't worth doing. You'd be investing a lot of extra cost to be able to overclock stable or at a good amount and it has a lot more negative returns than positive.
Good:
slight performance improvement
Bad:
Reduced lifespan
Extra cost for the chip itself, the motherboard, the cooler and a reliable power supply
Instability from poor overclocking
Chance to damage your parts
Higher energy bill
Possibly extra noise depending on how you do the cooling, the fans might rev up.
>>51817538
1 week ago I was still on my Core 2 Duo E8400, now I have an i7 4790K, it feels good.
>>51822204
>Reduced lifespan
Has anyone actually had a processor die on them?
How does the 4770k compare to the 4790k? I saw some guy selling one with a Asus rampage (?) Mobo and 12gb ram for only like £150. Seems like a good deal, no?
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2275&cmp[]=2565
4790K > 6700K
i am looking to build an affordable gaming pc which will run good in 1080p (maybe 1440p)
will this be good?
>>51823573
Check the CPU and motherboard compatibility, IIRC i5-4460 is a Haswell refresh and H81 is pre-Haswell refresh, those motherboards need a BIOS upgrade to work with the newer chips, I am not sure if they ship with the latest BIOS.
Declaring this a general build thread I guess, here's the murrican version my build called the "designated computing parts" machine, enjoy, the case even has a handle to pick it up like a briefcase, what more can you ask for :^)
>>51823608
which motherboard should i get instead?
>>51823729
just use a tutorial online and put the new firmware on an usb stick to update, that's what i did with my pooinloo h81 rig
>>51823573
>in 1080p (maybe 1440p)
Definitely get a R9 390 instead.
The GTX 970 only has 3.5GB which is only enough for 720p gaming.
>>51823729
H97 and Z97, or just check the manufacturers site to see if the motherboard you like has a BIOS update to add Haswell refresh support (or do a search to see if it supports them without an update).
>>51823729
Well, I did some research for you, and that motherboard should be rev. 2.1 as it's the lastest revision. It supports the 4460 out of the box.
NewEgg's got 2.0 pictured on their site which also supports it out of the box.
You should be safe.
>>51817675
iknorite sandy bridge master race
op get skylake for ddr4 and future comaptibility
>>51814504
Haswell-E
>>51823785
"The GTX 970 only has 3.5GB which is only enough for 720p gaming."
mfw little kids try to lie on the inter-net
In a few weeks time you'll be able to run all haswell cpus at an oc of 1ghz even on non k models so just get an i5-6500 which has a base clock of 3.2 and call it a day. This also kills ZEN.
>>51824104
oops I meant skylake not haswell
>>51823785
what about this one? http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-100382ntocl
>>51824129
also if i get a r9 390 will this power supply be fine?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tacens-MP800-Mars-Gaming-800W/dp/B00KCKR1C8
>>51820932
I regret not going modular on my PSU. Just shell out a few extra bucks now and do that. And I'd get an SSD as well at least for your OS.
Keep in mind that skylake has better M.2 x4 support.
>>51824104
>>51824120
Yeah but you also have to run the DRAM at higher clocks
and this kills the dram
not to mention some of the shitters I've seen were running the CPU at 1.6v, lord knows how long those'll last before electromigration kicks in.
>>51814504
There really isn't much reason to choose Skylake. If you already have DDR3 RAM, I would absolutely suggest going with Haslel, keeping the RAM and putting the money saved toward something else (faster graphics card, larger SSD, etc.).
If you're building completely from scratch and the price difference isn't huge, then you might as well switch to Skylake and DDR4, investing in DDR3 right now doesn't make sense since Intel already abandoned it and AMD will next year with Zen as well.
>>51815497
The Skylake i7 doesn't come with a heatsink so you're stuck going 3rd party. The Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo should be plenty for it.
>>51824219
Get a 650w or 750w from either Corsair, EVGA or Super Flower. Antec, Cooler Master, Be Quiet and Seasonic are fine too.
>>51814553
>heatsink pressure
about that, is that in general or just with certain heatsinks?
>>51821715
Google silicon quantum computing.
>>51815597
wait so if K cpus are meant to be marketed as overclokable, why allow the non K ones to be overclockable?
>>51814504
> haslel vs skylake
> skylake = broadwell renamed
> broadwell = 5% faster single core
>>51814504
can someone explain to me how skylake chips can be bent by heatsinks when there should technically be no weight being exerted directly onto it since they're not fitted into the computer facing the floor. If it's pressure related then why would anyone need to tighten the heatsink any tighter than is needed?
5820k was definitely the best purchase I've made in a while. Hell, the board I have supported an OCing profile specifically for it that took care of voltages automatically.
>>51824843
The centre of the socket is hollow, the heatsink applies pressure to the heat spreader which is also in the centre.
That made me think, placing some foam into that hollow may minimise bending.
>>51824925
Looks like intel may need to manufacturing thicker cpus again or cooler manufacturers redesign their back mounts to have a thicker center if that would even be possible
>>51824968
There's nothing the cooler manufacturers can do other than reducing the pressure. Intel needs to either add support in the centre of the socket or strengthen the heat spreader so it reinforces the PCB underneath (extending it to the edge would probably work, but then they'd have to change the clamping mechanism). I don't think they're able to make the PCB thicker, I do believe the core itself is thicker so they had to make the PCB thinner to maintain the same overall thickness.
>>51824543
in general.
if I'm not planning on overclocking and want something on a budget, what's the best choice?
>>51814504
go haswell-e and enjoy a much larger cache and six mothafuccen cores nigga
Depends if you want to stay with the ancient DDR3 memory.
People are dumping their Haslel's on eBay in what I can only imagine is a Christmas present migration. I grabbed a basic i7-4770 for $200, and this is AFTER I sold my 1100t for $180, it looks like K's are going for maybe $50-ish more, so if you're wanting a major upgrade and don't care about DDR4's basic gains, now's the time to get an 1150 system on the cheap
I upgraded from a C2D a few months ago and went for a i5 6500 with an asrock h170 pro4
I'm more than happy with everything considering the CPU was only 10€ more than the 4690, it's really fast and even with the stock cooler I can stress it for hours without having it go over 43°
>>51814624
Mine is stable at 4.7ghz/1.288 volts
>>51814504
Broadwell, nigga.
>>51820932
>XFX PSU
>WDD blue
>3.5GB
>no fucking SSD
NIGGER
WHAT
>>51820932
The Intel stock coolers have been loud and poor lately, expect a very hot cpu, throttling and fan noise. Even a Coolermaster 212 Evo (?) will be a massive improvement.
>>51827089
I would have bought one if the mobos of that series are cheap
But fucking it's not
>>51821253
As much as I hope for that to happen, the best/most likely scenario is that Zen is on par with Sandy. If it's worse, it's goodbye sweet prince.
>>51820932
>Ascock
>XFX PSU
>No SSD
>3.5GB
>Want to OC but not chosen a K CPU
Log off, get your homework done, get night night tuck in from daddy then come back in 10 years when you know what you're doing
>>51822093
^He's right, you know. Cannon Lake soon, stalker.
>>51822182
Get a cheap used Sandy Bridge setup. If your country does large scale electronics recycling, you might get something for free by visiting your nearest recycling center or goodwill-alike.
>>51829862
Whats wrong with an XFX psu?
I had mine for 4 years, not one problem
>>51822204
Spoken like a dipshit who's never overclocked in his/her life. Almost all your bullet points are bullshit, you should get a good PSU no matter if you're overclocking or not.
/g/ is not for you.
>>51823647
>Apex tower with 300W PSU
>it's got a handle tho guise
What could possibly go wrong?
