>Requesting purchase advice:
http://pastebin.com/hjHkKDyM
>/g/ wiki headphone FAQ:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Headphones
>Previous thread:
>>51762687
If I intend to EQ my headphones to sound perfectly neutral, which would be the best for the following budgets?
$50
$100
$300
$1000
$Unlimited
So my friend just ordered an M40x, how bad did he fuck up?
>>51774866
fuck off with this anime shit weaboo
>>51774894
He didn't.
>>51774924
Noice.
My legs get weak when the backwoods cheap, two hearts in my eyes smile cheek to fuckin cheek
>>51774883
>$50
Samson SR850
>$100
Sennheiser HD558
>$300
Sennheiser HD600
>$1000
Sennheiser HD600
>$Unlimited
Sennheiser HD600
>>51774894
Tell him to return it before it's too late.
>tfw when GPM extension goes bonkers for whatever reason and everything becomes 2x speed ultrahigh pitched nightcore
Need some help. I am quite new to wanting great audio on my computer but now want to dive in head first. With a $400 budget (including headphones and sound card) what should I be looking at? Also I am interested in 7.1 surround sound, or is that just advertising bs? Please help the new guy....
>>51774998
Got a graph of the Hi2050 for comparison?
>>51771749 Reposting for last time.
I just want to know what voltage can be out from there, or some reviews that go in very detail. Thanks.
>>51774998
That's a really ugly graph. How come the goldenears one is prettier?
>>51774958
>$50
Samson SR850
>$100
Philips SHP9500
>$300
Sony MDR-MA900
>$1000
Sony MDR-MA900
>$Unlimited
Sony MDR-MA900
Fixed
>>51775081
Contact the manufacturer or read the manual.
>>51775081
You have to contact the manufacturer. It's not going to hurt your headphones but it will probably be shit. Just buy any external headphone amp for 50bucks and end it there
Find me a post-revision HD558/HD598 that's broken.
I will send you $20 paypal.
>>51775174
So this is how sennheiser markets like huh? BRIBERY LMAO
>>51775174
Prove that they had a revision.
I will send you $20 paypal.
Hey /hpg/, being thinking about doing a few experiments with headphones and writing some papers about it, first thing that crossed my mind was to get a few new headphones and measure them over time in order to test "break-in", i know probably nothing will happen, but since it seems to be an occasional topic of debate, the hobby community seems to believe in it and it's not hard to test i thought of starting with that.
Thinking about doing so in association with my college since they have them all the equipment i'd need.
What do you guys think? Any suggestions?
Other experiments would be cool too.
>>51775223
It has already been done.
Do ABX blind tests instead.
>>51775201
http://www.head-fi.org/t/541039/sennheiser-hd-598-impressions-thread/15#post_7322951
keep your $20, save up for those HD600s you've always dreamed of
>>51775113
>Philips SHP9500
>>$300
>Sony MDR-MA900
>>$1000
>Sony MDR-MA900
>>$Unlimited
>Sony MDR-MA900
>>51775268
That's kind of you, Mahmood, but now you owe me $20.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/589139/sennheiser-hd598-right-side-broken
>>51775223
>>51775247
ABX tests would be extremely difficult on different pairs of headphones.
Slight acoustic differences between pairs from the onset would lead to false positives, discriminating the difference between two headphones based on their initial difference and not the break in.
Perhaps a binaural simulation: record one pair of headphones using a selection of tracks, run them in at high SPL, then try another recording later.
You will need to control for pad deformation, we aren't interested in proving that pads that worn can break down and wear out.
>>51775223
Grab a pair of 100€ + headphones, do ABX tests on flac and 320k mp3 and show everyone here that they sound different
>>51775293
>>51775398
lol.
>>51775223
In-ear measurements of headphones on real people, with data types such as age, sex, etc. Perfect since it's a university.
>>51775223
>since they have them all the equipment i'd need
Such as what? Signal analyzers, scopes, dummy heads, couplers, anechoic rooms? List it all.
>>51774946
>he got scammed out of the DT1350s. HE FELL FOR IT.
>tfw
Been lurking for quite a while but I'm kinda lost, I hope you /hpg/ guys can help me.
>Budget
Around 200$, can be less ofc but also slightly more if necessary.
>Location
Western Europe
>Source
Laptop with external soundcard, phone sometimes.
>Preferred type of headphone
Full,
>Open or closed
Closed probably, open is maybe better as I'll be using them at home.
>Comfort level
Unimportant. I want the best price/sound-quality ratio.
Got a thin head and short hair if that helps.
>Preferred tonal balance / Preferred music
I listen to just about anything from classical to underground electro or metal sometimes.
>Past headphones
Shit-tier unbranded headphones.
>>51775605
rattle me bones!
>>51775607
Sony MDR-7506 or Beyer DT880 depending if you are ok with semi open.
>>51775637
Gonna have a look at those, thank you kind anon.
>>51775588
I got all my money back tho, I knew going in that I literally had no risk involved.
Paypal is based like that.
>>51775607
K7XX if you want to wait on massdrop, K702 if you are willing to go a little bit over budget but want a good headphone now.
>>51775607
Some options:
Sennheiser HD558
Beyerdynamic DT250 80 ohm
Sony MDR-7506
>>51775637
DT880 is fully open and leaks and isolates like an open headphone, it's not semi-open.
>>51775658
Would not recommend K7XX as they have quality control issues.
>>51775689
>DT880
Its not near as open as a DT990
>>51775247
>It's been done
Really, by whom? I'd love to read that.
Anyway, like Anon >>51775364 says, ABX for burn-in would be very difficult.
>>51775364
binaural simulation is not a bad idea, to disregard pad issues i suppose we could come up with a contraption that keeps the headphone the headphone in "listening position" by stretching the headband without touching the pads at all, this could prevent the pads from deteriorating during burn-in time, an alternative would be to simply replace the pads, but i fear people would use that to argue that this might have altered the results somehow.
One big problem is that lack of a dummy head, are the any reliable guides to building one? a suppose a c414 on figure 8 polar patern would work well inside one.
>>51775398
that would be fairlly easy actually, we do have access to both trainned and untrained listeners divided in sound engineers, musicians and regular students.
>>51775559
I suppose that would need more planning, but it could work problem is that we wouldn't have acess to many headphones to measure, so it would be just about a few brands and models.
>>51775571
not much, they do have a big colletion of mics, so we could test which model would work best before starting the actual experiments, isolated studio rooms and means to keep them as dead as possible (more than enought for a headphone anyway), they lack a dummy head, which is why i haven't tried anything yet wth headphones, but i suppose we could come up with some alternative.
>>51775689
technically dt880 is semi-open, it's on the specs, but that doesn't mean it isolates any more than any fully open-back headphone.
dt990 is open-back.
>>51775732
I want some Denon's or Beyerdynamics but I have no idea which one to get.
I want closed headphones, good bass, and one that preferably does not require an amp. Which ones?
>>51775777
thats the measurement how much noise leaks out, not how it feels on your head. If you are used to a MA900 the DT880 feels like a closed headphone.
>>51775789
DT770 80 ohm. It's a bit sibilant tho.
>>51775801
It shows that DT880 is 'open' as open headphones. I would know I own them at they leak very loudly.
>>51775831
That depends on your definition of open. Mine is a akg k1000 or sony ma900. any other "open" headphone feels semi open or even closed.
Are athm20x's bad friends?
Does the MA900 sound good? Why isn't it as known as the other open heapdhone of its price?
Hey /hpg/
Would a pair of Sony MDR-7506 or MDR-7510 be a good place to start when getting into more proper headphones ?
Have had a Sony XB700 for a couple of years now but it needs relacement due to falling apart in some places.
Also how good is a FiiO E10K for a first dac/amp ?
Thanks in advance
>>51774883
General characteristics of headphones with good EQ properties:
-Low variance with refitting. A consistent response is easily obtained wearing it and taking it off repeatedly, within a margin of a few decibels. In practice this margin will be very tight for canalphones and looser for headphones. Open headphones tend to do better than closed headphone with variation.
-FR should not have intense dips or peaks. These are most often caused by fit, and not solved by a fixed equalization. You can EQ it out if it fixed with position.
-Low distortion as possible
-Comfort.
>>51775559
>In-ear measurements of headphones on real people
We might like to avoid the headphones that have been measured before. Eardrum measurements are a pain.
>>51775742
I would figure a compact omni mic in the head would be better, since that is what the human head does. Eardrum is roughly like a 1/2 inch mic, but I guess we are simulating to the canal entrance only.
Have some documentation on dummy heads here and there.
>>51775742
Another question, what journals and standards organizations do you have access to? AES, IEEE, IEC/ISO, ITU, various acoustics journals and other publications and resources.
>>51776004
You cant go wrong with a 7506 and E10K
The right driver of my ATH EM7's is a lot quieter than the left. Any idea what could be the cause?
>>51774883
>$50
th-02, sr850, hi2050, pro80
>$100
m40x, xpt-100
>$300-$500
hd600, he400s/i, PM3, msr7
>$1000
hd800, ether
>$Unlimited
just buy everything below. most ultra-expensive headphones are distinctly colored, you're just paying for "unique coloration" at best
>>51774866
This is an example of foreshortening done absolutely wrong.
If you value QUALITY and all things holy, do not save this image or post it ever again
>>51775109
because GE is a reputable source? pretty sure that is from the blogspot guy who does his own plate measurements and thinks it's a good idea to equalize all his headphones by wiring in capacitors/resistors to the inside.
>>51775109
this doesn't look as bad, though. same measurement, less enlarged.
I own Sony V6's, V Moda M-100's, and Sennheiser HD598's, would an AMP/DAC benefit them?
Even using them with different devices like my computer and phone, I notice a difference in the sound signature (Not EQ'd), most noticeably the soundstage. I know they're not hard to drive headphones, but I would like to get the most out of them.
Would something like a Modi/Magni be overkill? I mean, they'd be useful down the road if I ever decide to step into mid-fi tier and above.
>>51776324
A Magni alone is sufficient.
DACs never make a difference.
>>51775114
I didn't think on that, ok, I will search, thanks.
>>51775151
I heard that sometimes in some AMPs the jack can have a msive voltage output (talking about 3.5mm jack) and stuff like that. That pair of speakers came with integrated AMP, that's why I am interested on knowing if it will fuck the Headphones I will buy, or not. thanks again for recomending manual.
>>51775742
>Really, by whom? I'd love to read that.
By a lot of people. Tyll has made numerous experiments.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/measurement-and-audibility-headphone-break#v9PTwcfktMQCfkyl.97
>>51775605
>skull dents
>>51776211
in the plug connected properly into the jack plug, try cleaning the jack with some isopropyl alcohol in case there is dirt or whatever on it and use some compressed air on the plughole
I am thinkig about buying some speakers for my desktop, but first I have a noob question, my pc hasn't 2 audio outputs, how can I connect speakers and headphones?. I don't want to be plugging and unplugging. Do I need an soundcard , and audio interface or something like that? maybe some speakers with headphone output?
I am asking about speakers but I don't want to make a new thread so I will fill the pastebin.
>Budget
< 200 euros, can be 250 if it is really worth
>Location
Spain
>Source
PC
>type of headphone
Near field speakers
>Preferred tonal balance
I think I prefer a neutral sound
>Preferred music
jazz and prog rock
>Room
I am in a small room (~3m x 4.5m )
>Past headphones
I have sennheiser amperior, I found them a bit bright for my taste, and Dunu DN 1000
I keep hearing about jbl LSR305, but I don't want to spend that much. I am looking active monitors here : http://www.madridhifi.com/sonido/profesional/monitores-estudio/activos/baratos-primero/ because they have a wide range, for this price I have seen, BEHRINGER MS40, M AUDIO BX5 D2, POWER DYNAMICS PDSM5 , BEHRINGER STUDIO 50USB , Cerwin Vega XD5 , M AUDIO AV42 Monitores STUDIOPHILE.
Are any of those any good?.
http://clarityfidelity.blogspot.ca/2015/12/hidition-nt1-ciem.html
As an ER-4 user this is looking really tempting as my first ever custom IEM.
>>51776380
Hmm now that I'm looking, the jack does seem pretty dirty. Will give it a try, thanks anon.
AKG K7XX, K702 or K701: which is better and why?
>>51776356
Would it be a better idea for me to just get an e10k? They would surely be sufficient for those headphones. Unless the Magni is noticeably better.
>>51775659
>>51775689
>beyershills
>>51776432
>>51776432
99% of the time it's just dust that worked its way into the plughole
and it's best to clean both while you're at it or the jack will bring back some dust into the plughole again after you clean it and put it back in.
>>51776456
I don't recommend FiiO's stuff, they tend to be cheaply made.
>>51776480
>every thing made in china is cheap and shit.
when will the memes stop
>>51776453
K7XX and K702 have removable cables and no headbumps
>>51776267
>it's a good idea to equalize all his headphones by wiring in capacitors/resistors to the inside
If you can't be bothered to use a digital source with parametric EQ, that is the most logical step. Solderdude is EE which is why he can do that easily, and it saves you the trouble of equalizing each time you plug into something new.
>>51776406
Somewhat routine honestly. They all use similar drivers in single BA IEMs with a limited way to tune IEMs.
Note the insertion depth is a little different.
>>51776498
When people start asking for proofs.
>>51776498
I never said that. My experience with FiiO products have been shit.
>>51776498
>german build quality
>>51776544
Its made in china
>>51776480
Magni it is, and you're sure I wouldn't be missing anything by not getting a Modi?
I'm retarded when it comes to this stuff, sorry.
>>51775789
dt-250. no point buying denons, they were only known because Fostex(Foster) made their shit. Fostex has made headphones/drivers for lot's of companies, so search those out.
>>51776560
>german build "quality"
>>51776512
Are they comfortable? I heard many people complain about the headband...
What about sound?
>>51776607
dude i know that sennheiser is shit.
>>51776615
They are comfortable since the headbumps are gone but the K7XX is more comfortable than the K702. Both headphones are neutral sounding and more or less analytical.
Hey guys. Looking for some recs.
>Budget
Around €100
>Western Europe
>Source
Laptop, phone
>Type
Full
>Open/Closed
Closed preferably but at this price range I assume that's unlikely? (Not that I would know, I'm an audio pleb)
>Comfort level
Comfy enough but I don't want to sacrifice sound quality for more comfort
>Preferred music
Listen to a pretty wide range of stuff. Prog rock, post rock, black metal, electronic, a lot of ambient techno. A bit of jazz sometimes. Don't know if any of that's relevant but whatever.
>Past headphones
A lot of generic shite, used a few low range Sony headphones in the past that were alright for their price I suppose.
Thanks in advance lads, you guys seem pretty chill.
>>51776607
and they are made in irland btw.
>>51776646
This one is easy, MDR-7506
>>51776633
>german build """""quality"""""
>>51776668
>>51776688
>germans
>>51776563
>Note the insertion depth is a little different.
Nah, Modi is just a DAC. Most DACs are perfect these days be it motherboard, smartphone, etc.
>>51776004
7506/v6 are great, no need for an e10 but it is a good dac/amp. you might want to start lower though if you really want to get "into" headphones. the classic starter is the portapro/ksc75. but nowadays stuff like the hi2050, sr850, 668b, are also good and cheap starting points.
>>51776607
There has never been an anon that has reported a broken HD600/HD650 in these threads. OTOH many anons reported their Beyers gimbals being broken.
>>51776767
well I have enough money at the moment to get something good to start with while I'm at it.
Getting a fiio is just something i've wanted to do for a while but never got the chance to as of yet since i found out the place i wanted to get the headphones from has the amp as well
>>51776752
to >>>/o/ with that
>>51776513
Seems like a tedious and long process sending my impressions to Korea. But I'm a bit tired of the ER-4's ergonomics. It's the best IEM I've ever heard (I prefer P version, smooth treble and upper midrange is less bright, with decent bass).
>>51776599
No, I own the DT250s, he would prefer the DT770 obviously.
>>51776766
Ok, last question
So, it's the amp that really makes a difference in a headphone's sound signature? What I noticed before with the soundstage being different between my computer and phone, that's their amp and not the dac?
>>51776456
I'm in the same position as you, I have m100s, 598se, m50x and hifiman he400i, I was trying to decide between the fiio e10k and the fiio e07k....I have found that installing a full cracked version of DFX Audio Enhancer has made a big difference though with my laptop
>>51776891
The amp is the most probable cause as most DACs are transparent in their output. Some built-in amps have high output impedance which affects the frequency response of headphones a bit.
It can also be a placebo effect you're experiencing.
>>51776767
Also would an MDR-7510 be an upgrade over the 7506 ?
>>51776921
u seem like u know your shit, I recently installed the full version of DFX Audio Enhancer [for free of course].....do u think audio enhancement software like that makes a difference compared to a laptops normal playback device, bc I love the wat DFX has improved my audio
>>51777012
Less flatter frequency response. I've owned its cousin and it sounds worse. Also it has a design flaw that causes the right channel to become dead after a while. I absolutely don't recommend it.
>>51777041
>>51777021
cool
7506 + fiio E10 it is
thanks lads, have a good one
>>51777031
It's just post processing software, I tend to avoid it because it makes the signal less accurate BUT if it sounds better to you, keep on using it.
>>51777066
I think it just make my headphones louder and with all the presets it comes with it does make it sound better for musicbee, and where it shines the most is in movies, i dont know how it does it but it increases the volume of my headphones just as much as my little fiio e6 that came with my m50x for free, got my m50x with the fiio e6 for $120 so I feel ok about my purchase, i do agree that 170 is too much for m50x though
>>51777156
Boosting the gain. That's how.
>>51777012
the 7510 is a lot more comfortable than the 7506, just look at the headband cushion alone, i think they are worth the extra 25 dollars for sure, only if they had added a removable cable i'd be perfect
>>51777012
It sounds quite different.
>>51776921
>a placebo effect
Not the right word.
An old example is a show a picture and sound associated with it, traffic noise and a train picture for example. The subjects rate the noise as a certain way. The picture is swapped or even the color of the object is changed, and the subjective response is different, it is noisier, louder and so on.
This isn't placebo, but a different stimulus interfering with perception another. The McGurk effect is a well known example of one of these crossmodal interactions.
>>51777203
oh okay, I;m still new to the audiophile/ headphone thing, I just bought 5 headphones in the last year, next step is getting a dac/amp combo, either gonna go with the fiio e10k or the fiio e07k, any opinions on those two?
>>51777293
I don't like FiiO but get the E07K as you don't have to deal with the analog pot that easily degrades.
>>51777439
thanks dude, u have actually been a real help instead of the usual nerds on here that just shit talk more no reason
>>51777012
no. the 7506/v6 is a step above other sony headphones and nearly everything else at that price point. the only other sony headphone I would buy is the ma900. cd900st ok for anime music. z7 is good if you want to spend way too much on a mod project.
>>51777653
more = for....typo
>>51777668
the cd900 is also good
HD 215-II
HD 419
HD 449
HD 439
Which pair would you buy?
>>51777829
None of them.
>>51777852
There's a shotgun pointed at your temple, a kitchen knife scratching your neck, and a katana aiming at your dick.
You have to buy one or you die.
>>51777890
HD 419 because they're the cheapest.
No need to waste more money than I have to.
>>51777938
The 215-II's are the cheapest.
>>51775223
didn't rin choi do something on burn-in
>>51777956
Not on Amazon, ladchapmate.
>>51777890
buy the cheapest and return later
>>51777992
>>51778010
I'm in a shitty country where this advice isn't applicable. These models were the best for the price I've gathered, by lurking and browsing some of the old guides.
Should I really just get the absolute cheapest? Have 681-EVO's right now, so I assume any of those would be an upgrade.
>>51775605
No spine
>>51778109
681 is better than any of the headphones you listed.
>>51778109
they will be less bassy than the evo but definitely not an upgrade in sound quality. the evo sounds really good for how colored it is. all the cheaper sennheisers sound really dull and muddy with the exception of maybe the px-100.
>>51778169
That's cool and all, but they're not available here. They wont even stock them. It's like every piece of shitty technology that doesn't sell in good countries, get's sent to us and we can't pick the good things. Starting to wonder if this is really true.
Are the Street by 50 any good?
They're usually 250 child support bux but since the nigga is filling for bankruptcy they're 60$ on Amazon right now.
Reading the descriptions apparently they've got 40mm drivers, which is also used in the description for the K550's
>>51778300
oh yeah man theyre like the best headphones in existence pretty much
>Budget
$50-$230
>Location
US
>Source
Work laptop or phone
>Preferred type of headphone
in-ear or noise-canceling
>Comfort level
Will need to use 8 hours+
>Preferred tonal balance
A slight V-shape, mild recessed mid with slightly elevated bass/treble
>Past headphones
Currently using ATH-A900 at home and previously used Etymotic hf5's
Hey guys I'm Using the AKG k612, I don't have an amp at the moment so I'm just using my motherboard, It's a z97 gaming 5, and It's using realtek HD audio, for some reason it does not go very loud? It sounds good but I expected it to go really loud. Also why is it detecting my headphones as speakers? Is there a way for better performance ?
>>51778388
K612 are one of the few headphones that actually need an amp because they're hard to drive.
>>51778342
Just asking mang. His entire headphones lineup is heavily discounted right now. Surely there must be some value in 250$ headphones discounted to 60
>>51778402
Not really, no. There are better headphones at $20.
>>51778399
Hmm I guess i'll deal with it for now until I'm able to get an amp.
>>51778402
their fr chart looks like a rollercoaster.
>>51778414
The only headphones I know that sound good for 20 are the HD202, and if they sound better than the Street I seriously hope nobody paid 250 for these things.
I hope you're bullshitting.
>>51778438
If you seriously think the Street are worth are worth even $60 let alone $250 I don't know what to tell you.
>>51778344
IM02
>>51778533
In my Opinion two
Is eqing headphones a meme?
This is the frequency response graph for my K550's, how would I go about setting up a proper EQ with this data?
>>51778561
>Is eqing headphones a meme?
Why would it be?
K550 isn't the most ideal headphone to start with, but EQ boils down to finding and eliminating spots that you don't like.
>>51778691
Something I don't like about these headphones is that when crunchy guitars start playing at unsafe listening volumes the highs get too heavy up to the point where its uncomfortable to listen.
How would I go about eliminating this, if possible? increasing bass or reducing highs?
I'm going to buy the DT990 Pro tonight.
Deafult vs Black? They're only £7 difference... any actual differences in quality, or build/cable quality?
>>51778754
Default is worth the extra 7, what impedance?
>>51778772
Black cost more. But I've read default has a build design with the cable. 250ohm for either model.
>>51778814
Default is with the silver grills right? It clamps less and has a better headband
>>51778561
You can't base your EQ off frequency response charts of a single model, especially smoothed shit on HeadRoom.
>>51778754
Black has a straight cable which is more preferable to a coiled cable to many people.
>>51778752
well first of all, when you listen to anything at too high a volume, your hearing changes to account for it. so youre ruining the quality of the sound yourself. according to tests, this can be from 80-90db but almost never higher than 90. so really, you want to avoid listening to it loudly.
besides that, just try to see what frequency these crunchy guitars are playing at with spectrum or something, and then turn them down with an eq
>>51776766
Don't listen to this advice, most kids in these threads have never listened to a proper rack mount. DAC and AMPs can make a very big difference depending on your equipment.
>>51778865
>Black has a straight cable which is more preferable to a coiled cable to many people.
Fuck my bad, didn't even know a black pro edition existed.
Ignore my posts earlier:
>>51778828
>>51778772
>>51778828
Yes, silver is default, black is limited (both 250ohm). Are you referencing default with the better headband?
>>51778865
Coming from ATH M50, so I'm used to a coiled cable.
On the issues of the DT990 being really tight around your head, the M50 are really tiring to wear for long periods too, so I think a tighter fit may be preferable, since I've been used to that for so long.
>>51778890
See:
>>51778888
I fucked up.
>>51778877
Fuck off, differences between any decent DACs are inaudible when compared against each other. All competent amps sound the same when played at levels which don't clip.
I seriously hope you fuck off and die for spreading your placebo shit.
>>51778752
Take a sine sweep to the frequencies above 2kHz and sweep., Use a parametric EQ to kill the sudden intensity peaks in the upper frequencies precisely.
And of course, go back and listen to your music again, to see if you like it.
>>51776903
don't buy FIIO shit, there's literally no difference between it or some realtek chip in a mobo. It's absolutely not worth the price
>>51778877
yes, they will make a very large difference as long as you go into it believing the difference will be very large
>>51778922
and here we have the other kind of idiot who people probably told NOT to buy a fiio product, but didnt listen and did anyway. when he didnt find a difference, it's not that he was wrong, oh no of course not! it's that fiio was shit, and a more expensive dac of course would make ALL the difference.
>>51778890
You can stretch the headband if it's too tight to loosen it up, it won't snap. I personally can't stand coiled cables.
Also the black vs silver pads are slightly different. I have both (pic related, assuming it's these black pads the black version come with) and the fibres are shorter and more similar to other velour pads you'll find.
I'm not sure though because they pads are clearly T1 pads even though their model number indicates it's just a black version of the stock 880/990 silver pads because they add more depth and distance from the driver to your ears.
>>51778913
>Fuck off, differences between any decent DACs are inaudible when compared against each other. All competent amps sound the same when played at levels which don't clip.
You don't know what you're talking about. Especially since you don't know how amps work.
>>51779005
He's right though.
>>51779005
no, hes right
>>51779024
>>51779021
Wrong, it's no wonder you all hide in these threads. Try posting this shit on headfi or any other audio place and get laughed at.
>>51778957
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyerdynamic-DT990-Pro-Headphones-Limited/dp/B010IJ9W1U
Think they're just black velours. Are they worth £100? Like I said, I'm coming from M50 (atleast 3 years old), and they're dying. So I need an upgrade... I'd heard good things about the DT990, but I'm not sure if there are better headphones for £100-£150 out there.
Assuming I don't need to spend money on Amps and such (not immediately).
>>51779044
headfi is the laughing stock of the hobby though
>>51779044
Yeah, they'll laugh at us.
But you try posting your shit in somewhere like hydrogenaudio where audio is often discussed in an objective nature, they'd probably laugh at you and ban you.
>>51779044
How do these op-amps work then?
AKG K 44 on sale for $19 today
worth the shekels?
>music
IDM, some rock and jazz
>>51779047
Yeah they're worth the price, based on the stock photos they're the same pads as I have. The amp part is harder to generalize, depending on how powerful your onboard is and your preferences for loudness you may not need one at all but at the same time my DT880 are 250ohm and I can comfortably bring my DAC2's output to max without it being painfully loud. Loud concerts probably killed my hearing or I built up a tolerance.
hey, maybe you can use this image for the next one of these threads.
>>51779155
Why do you have a DAC2?
>>51779170
Not anime, go away.
>>51779182
I/O, measurable and vastly documented performance, other features like remote.
Also because I can.
anyone own a Shit Audio magni+modi?
>>51779152
Can't go wrong for $19.
>>51779204
Fair enough. Will probably get a used DAC1 some time in the future.
>>51779155
I guess I'll pick em up. I might just get the default grey, since Amazon will let me discount them (voucher). I can think about an AMP after I test them I guess.
How do you guys handle warranty? I think the DT990 have 1 year manufacturer, but in the event things go wrong after that period, what choices do you have?
>>51779094
>>51779109
if funny because everyone here is so edgy and counter culture that they feel the need to say something as stupid as
>every dac sounds the same
Please find another edgy angle /hpg/ this one simply isn't true and doesn't make sense, also quoting some hole in the wall won't help you Changstar and SBAF also hold the same opinion, and headfi has plenty of good objective stuff in their sound science forum.
>>51779221
IIRC all Beyers come with 2 year warranty, that might just be strictly in Europe though.
>but in the event things go wrong after that period, what choices do you have?
Pay up or buy new headphones I guess? What would you do with any other product that shit out on you outside warranty period?
>>51779249
Hi, all transparent DACs should sound the same. Variations from this indicate bad DAC performance. Go spout soundstage/detail retrieval/smoothness elsewhere.
>>51779249
Two DACs will sound the same if the FR, noise, distortion, timing differences are below the threshold of human hearing.
This is a well established scientific fact. Who cares what a bunch of elitist audiophiles think.
is the Philips SHP9500 really good?
>>51779300
>below
beyond*
>>51779278
I guess I didn't phrase it correctly. I was more curious about extending warranty if possible.
>>51779329
Can't really help you there. Extended warranties might depend on where you buy them from.
>that feel when K7xx master race
>>51779352
I haven't been seeing you much, did AKG stop paying you?
>>51779278
>transparent DAC
no such thing and there is no way to make a perfect dac like you seem to think, you can make a shit dac that sounds like another shit dac
>>51779300
two dacs will sound the same if they're built the same nothing more nothing less
>>51779539
You are wrong. I like how you disregard every point in the two posts you quoted, also one of those posters you responded to has a 2000 dollar DAC.
/hpg/ doesn't buy into the audiophile bullshit like your favorite audiophile forums. I suggest you go back to wherever you came from and don't ever visit here again.
>>51779539
>no way to make a perfect dac like you seem to think
Sure there is, human hearing is extremely limited.
What type of IEM's should I get my sister for Christmas around $150-$200?
I thought about getting her HF5's which I just got for myself but I'm not sure if she would like them.
>>51779594
Not to mention transducers and human hearing are the biggest bottlenecks in a system.
>>51779603
HF5 is top-tier but it isn't for everyone, the fit and neutral sound would turn off most casual listeners.
I'd say something like the Beats Tour 2.0. I'm not trolling. It's even recommended here:
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/2015-innerfidelity-holiday-gift-guide-ljokerl
Purchased some Sony wireless headphones today and I think the usb bluetooth I bought from BB is a pos as the headphones sound great with my phone and when its wired onto my pc.
Any suggestions on what are some good usb bluetooth adapters?
>>51779364
I shill for free thats what it means to be master race
>>51779706
I use a Kinivo 4.0 adapter. Haven't tried it for audio however.
>>51779589
I didn't they made points, and I pointed out how they are pointless
>>51779594
>>51779663
headphones and the systems they use to reproduce the sound such as transducers are the bottleneck, not human hearing
>>51779745
>headphones and the systems they use to reproduce the sound such as transducers are the bottleneck, not human hearing
Wrong.
>>51779745
DAC performance on even onboard solutions is beyond human hearing. Trying to run around saying there are big audible differences in sound between DACs is ridiculous.
>>51779738
Yeah I was looking at it on Amazon as it had the best ratings so ill probably order it once I return the one I bought from BB.
>>51779745
can't wait to hear you complain about how that -130dB noise floor on your DAC is so annoying
>>51779603
Why don't you just ask her?
>>51779821
I want it to be a surprise and she is a pleb
>>51779881
Just get her some earpods so she can fit in with her friends
>>51779881
so she listens to pleb music and probably wants something portable and fashionable. beats solo 2.
>>51779893
>>51779954
I'm just gonna get her HF5's and if she wants she can return them
Fuck Beats. Why are you trolling me.
>>51779974
I'm not trolling you. Are you so socially inept and autistic that you're going to force some in-ears on your 'pleb' sister because they are close to the DF target response?
>>51779996
She's a pleb but she's a bit of a hipster faggot
Looking for a new pair of earbuds
>Budget
$50
>Location
USA
>Source
3.5mm phone
>Preferred type of headphone
earbud
>Comfort level
not super important, but a plus
>Preferred music
Indie rock, rap, grunge/punk rock, psychedelic rock
thanks anons
>>51780010
I would still say she'd want to sell them off or prefer cash if she found out the in-ears you bought her were $150-200. Just saying. Spending more than $50 on earphones is already something most wouldn't consider.
>>51779974
but the solo 2 actually measures well (for beats). I personally wouldn't want it because the warm signature is like 3x stronger than something like an hp50 but for a bass-boosted fashion headphone it's not bad. the zoro II and hammo-s are beats knockoffs and measure great according to "audiophile" standards if that's what you want. unless your sister likes sitting at her desk and listening all day she will not like the hm5 or xpt-100.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeatsSoloII2014.pdf
>>51780060
yeah, it's alright. at least it's consistent but youre still getting pretty low by the end. gonna maybe want to do a high shelf filter on the treble at least a little bit?
>>51780099
well yeah I would. but honestly most people will perceive df neutral treble as bright. I like a little roll off but that is too much for me. for a normie though they would love it. people love the momentum too and that has highly rolled off treble.
>>51780140
oh yeah i agree. and after that new study that came out the other day, people want even more bass and almost the same amount of treble, just a little more. i dont think a treble roll off is a big deal if it's not too spiky about it
>>51780010
Final Audio Heaven II then, I guarantee none of her friends will have them. It's also somewhat neutral.
>>51780140
also plebs like treble spikes when they're accompanied by defined bass humps. to them they cancel out and make the music sound hyped. if you took the bass hump away they would probably find the treble intolerable.
>>51780178
Looks good, I'll probably get her those. Beats seem kinda faggy to get, even if they are decent they have a bad reputation
>>51780183
you quite literally described the x2s right there. plenty of spiky treble with a bass hump. but it does sound pretty nice
>>51780183
>>51780214
Took a while but people are finally realizing the X2 are made for plebs.
>>51779765
If I was wrong then sound in your at home setup would be indiscernible from the real thing, lol
>>51779773
>DAC performance on even onboard solutions is beyond human hearing.
Yes, and dacs don't produce actual noise like a transducer, they just convert it into a signal with theoretically infinite detail. If you really believe what you're saying then why not just go with a full digital audio setup?
>>51780289
>Yes, and dacs don't produce actual noise like a transducer, they just convert it into a signal with theoretically infinite detail.
No shit? I already said transducers and human hearing the bottlenecks here. You're the one trying to imply expensive discrete DACs are essential.
Are the Sennheiser Momentums any good? Just tried them in my local store and they feel really comfortable. If not, any headphones that are decent and have similar feel? Pressure wasn't too high or low, really soft leather pads.
>>51780321
>You're the one trying to imply expensive discrete DACs are essential.
lmao what? I simply said all dacs don't sound the same which you idiots seem to think do as if they're all built exactly the same, also again why don't you just go full digital if you really believe what you say? All the sound it produces is beyond human hearing aswell.
>>51780435
>grasping at straws this hard
Holy shit.
>>51780435
>I simply said all dacs don't sound the same
All transparent DACs sound the same.
Which is pretty much most DACs.
ATH-AD500X or sennheiser HD558?
The audiotechnicas are on for $150 and the shillheisers are on for $100
>mfw my first pair of decent cans + actively listening to the music makes me realize the mixing/mastering of most of my music library is dog shit
give me shit to listen to. no metal/r&b/hip hop/rap/country, but other than that i'll try anything. give me well produced shit
>>51780435
>all dacs don't sound the same which you idiots seem to think do as if they're all built exactly the same
>you can make a dac that sounds like another dac
>>51780390
Can't say I liked its sound, but what did you think? Pads were also too small for my ears.
>>51780449
>no reply
ok
>>51780458
>All transparent DACs sound the same.
You're trying to make the case that mobo/phone/cheap Chinese scam dacs are the epitome of D/A conversion and sound exactly like properly implemented rack mounts and have the same detail retrieval. Unless you're trying to make some kind of pointless blanket statement which answers absolutely no questions. Either case is not true. I say for the third time, why not just go with digital? By your logic digital will sound the same as analog.
/g/, how do i use spek to verify the quality of the encoding of my music
>>51780651
>detail retrieval
Man you really need to fuck back off of head-fi and stop trying to force your subjective unintelligent nonsense here.
Hey /hpg/ any idea how are Pro-4AA?
Got myself Qz99 and they are absolute garbage, now in search of something similar but that actually sounds good.
>>51780575
also, currently using mayflower modded fostex T50RP
>deeply regret not getting something open-air
>>51780668
i'm just giving you a little dose of reality and preventing the spread of dis-info, fyi I've posted here near everyday for the last year atleast
>>51780722
All you're doing is spreading misinformation.
>>51780668
#rekt
>>51780722
>dis-info
Should I buy AKG solely for the anime and the cool cable tubes?
>>51780610
Kind of Blue by Miles Davis
its the standard for Jazz ;))))
>>51780752
You should buy them because you're a fuccboi
>>51780729
no i'm not, i've been arguing with the same 2-3 people this whole time who hang out and shit post in this thread every day and are utterly deluded and spread their shitty poison to others constantly
>>51780772
Post your setup big boi, timestamp and everything. If you back out you're admitting to spreading extreme misinformation.
>>51780785
>>51780657
Spek is just a spectrum analyzer, it shows you frequency range of the track plotted across time. Lossy coding will go after high frequency information.
It is more efficient to target the bit rate of the file, and this will be harder to examine.
>>51780651
>the epitome of D/A conversion
No, but -
>and sound exactly like properly implemented
What is proper?
>rack mounts and have the same detail retrieval.
I can think of many that do sound different because they chose to manipulate certain parameters, parameters that can be clearly identified and tested. This is done as a deliberate coloration.
>why not just go with digital
Can't have the machine interface directly with the discrete nervous system signaling yet.
he seems to be stuck back in the day when making a transparent dac was difficult, or when amps were made with tubes, and it mattered to compare them.
>>51780785
I don't have to post shit, dacs are not all the same period. I don't have to post any proof to prove that. This is literally the only place on the internet that believes this. You guys need to provide proof more than anyone.
>>51780856
>I don't have to post shit
Thought so. Fuck off retard.
>You guys need to provide proof more than anyone.
Burden of proof, head-fier. Learn how it works.
>>51780831
>What is proper?
NwAvGuy
>>51780615
I didn't get a chance to actually listen to them but what struck me was the initial comfort. They seemed really comfortable. Also, I'm not sure if my ears are just tiny but they didn't sit on my ears, they enclosed them completely.
>>51780876
He certainly showed what can be achieved when you throw some cmoys together.
>>51780867
The only place on the internet.
>I have to post my setup to prove an objective argument.
Lel, that's the same logic as showing someone their expensive house to prove they won.
>hue gais look at my expensive shit! I won!
a den of retards
>>51780920
that response sure showed me
>>51780921
>objective argument
But you're literally being shitting out subjective bullshit every post. Hell I would put money on the fact that you don't know a lick of EE theory.
You're the one claiming you know more than anyone here because they haven't heard 'good' equipment. Show us your amazing equipment.
>>51780765
>no steely dan and diana krall
lmao ur not even audiophile :^)
>>51780948
He probably has some quality shit like an ODAC or Schiit stack while you sit there on your fuckin realtek thinking hurrr time2trol anon
