>America should also consider “closing the Internet up in some way” to fight Islamic State terrorists in cyberspace.
>Trump mocked anyone who would object that his plan might violate the freedom of speech, saying “these are foolish people, we have a lot of foolish people.”
>“We have to go see Bill Gates,” Trump said, to better understand the Internet and then possibly “close it up.”
>Trump characterized the problem of Internet extremism by saying, “We’re losing a lot of people because of the Internet.”
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/trump-closing-the-internet-up-in-some-way/
How do you feel about this /g/?
>>51770804
>totally new ideas general
>>51770804
>How do you feel about this /g/?
Trump is a neo-fascist, we already knew this.
>>51770804
>We have to go see Bill Gates
Can't stump the trump!
trump is a meme man
>>51770804
>dumbshit espouses dumbshit opinions
>this is news somehow
'Murica
>>51770804
>"lets say China"
Finally someone addresses the American problem. The internet doesn't need them.
>>51770804
Sad, because I can see a lot of retarded republicans falling for his retarded wordspouting. They'll look into the "evils of the internet" or whatever and come to the conclusion that FOSS software is communist (can't argue, but w/e), encryption is bad mm'kay, and net neutrality takes away money from their favorite TV channels like Fox and ESPN.
Why do people on /g/ defend this stupid fucker? Is it because they're so obsessed with their hatred of SJWs and niggers that they fall for his anti-political correctness pandering?
>>51771139
He's the only decent candidate there is. Plus most trump supports are just memeing.
>People will unironically vote for this out-of-touch moron
>>51771155
>decent
I sure hope you are memeing here...
>>51771186
All the candidates are shit, trump is the least shit. if you know a better republican candidate than trump, let me know.
so donald trump is so stupid he thinks Bill Gates is America's Internet Expert Man?
>>51771275
Rand Paul is almost promising, but he's selling himself to the old boys to actually keep himself viable.
He'd just be like a red obama, say one thing, get in power then do another.
>>51770804
>We’re losing a lot of people because of the Internet
I actually agree with this one.
>>51771275
>voting red beacuse i always vote red
sure is logical. you do realise that the world changes constantly, and you should be making decisions that will have the best impact while they are still relevant, instead of living in the past, dont' you? republican policy in america is stuck in the last century. watch a world war 1 documentary ffs.
communism exists because the german government paid for it so the bolshevik revolution would force russia out of the war (because germany was losing to them).
https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/14608/did-the-germans-purposefully-arrange-to-send-lenin-to-russia-to-start-a-revoluti
>>51771295
you're a victim of bombastic statements and platitudes.
trump is nothing more than a decoy. he can't win, but he will try with all his might to distract everyone from getting the information they really need to decide who the best candidate is until there's no time left, by being a reality tv show
>>51770804
>to better understand the Internet
oh god, he is a total retard
>>51770804
I heard that ISIS read BOOKS! America should also consider closing libraries and book stores.
What has Bill Gates got to do with the Internet?
Vote or die bishes
>politician is clueless about something
I'm shocked. Go post this on r/gayniggers or whatever shit hole you're most comfortable with.
>>51771328
The amusing thing is at this rate trump will actually cause republicans to lose even harder
>>51771492
>I heard that ISIS read BOOKS!
They burn all books except a handful "approved" ones.
>>51771500
He made an OS that sends everything you do to the NSA via the internet.
Imagine how beautiful the Internet would be if Americans were to be shut off out of it
>>51771620
>it's nothing but usenet
>>51771557
>democracy is reduced to slogans and catch phrases and strong personalities
>political debates are just candidates saying shit about each other and cheap rhetorical BS
>amusing
If anything it's saddening. In the Democratic camp, the candidate has already been decided not by who has the best politics but by who has the biggest wallet, and in the Republican camp there's the biggest shitfest of our times going on with Smug Combover Pepe just spouting inane politically incorrect statements and secretly only does this to promote his persona so he can sell himself to a bunch of reality shows afterwards
>>51771620
Imagine an internet without american leftists
Man that'd be great
>>51771620
American internet would actually be pretty good. The rest of the world would be dealing with commies, BRs, pakis, chinese, and every other form of scum and villainy
>>51771651
Quit shitposting and go give Ted "can't stump the trump" Santorum another BJ.
>>51771671
American internet would be dealing with Americans though.
>>51771688
Yeah no, blogposts about muh inequality and objectification of women in videogame are so much superior to trumpposts
>>51771637
Well yeah the situation overall is saddening. America needs to change its voting system to ranked, runoff, or approval voting. The only issue with ranked and runoff voting is that it takes several cycles to find a winner and people want to know if "their team" won right this second.
>>51771695
>implying SJW's aren't a false flag
>implying they're not a CIA psyop
>implying they weren't created to destroy Occupy Wallstreet from the inside
They didn't exist like they do now until the oligarchs started to get scared.
>>51771691
And? What other countries actually matter? Russia and China? I don't want communism or ads for counterfeit viagra thanks.
>not buying Cisco
>not shutting down the biggest networking corporation in the world
Trump confirmed for retard.
damn America sure sounds great :^)
Yuro here, does Trump actually make a chance at becoming president?
European politics is just as bad sadly
>>51771722
I would also like to add onto that:
Ever notice how billionaires and large corporations are always the ones pushing the social justice meme?
>we need a diverse workforce!
>gay rights!
>women should learn to code!
>our website is a safe space!
>>51771726
See this is what you'd have to deal with
>>51771738
Muricans deserve this guy as their president.
>>51771738
No, the next president is going to be Hillary Clinton.
>>51771275
>All the candidates are shit, trump is the least shit.
Ron Paul is lightyears ahead of this retard.
>>51771736
>implying ericsson or huawei wouldn't take the marked after cisco is kill
>losing leadership and gifting it to either euros or chinese
you are retarded fuccboi
>>51770932
this is the next president of the united states, anything trump says is news worthy
He just lost all of his tech literate voters, congrats
>>51771798
this
>>51771786
>this is the next president of the united states
Hopefully. The rest of the world will have a lot of popcorn worthy fun if he gets to be.
>>51771781
Both of them together aren't as big as Cisco.
>>51771786
Trump is too unelectable, especially over all the shit he's saying. If he just kept quiet since October he could have got it. Now It's a guaranteed Clinton 45.
>>51771761
if you don't like amurrica then you can git out!
>every president candidate that has a good chance of winning is insane or a imbecile
>there's always a good chance they're gonna run again after their term is up and possibly win again
Why.
>>51771828
Somehow I'm getting a bit rustled having to explain that number #2 on the marked is not #1 because of #1's actions. Take #1 away and #2,3,4,5 swoop #1's ex-clients.
>>51771798
Clinton said pretty much the same thing.
At this point I'll just go with Sanders. Rand has no chance and while I don't like Bernie's policies, I'd happily pay more taxes to the socialist regime if it meant guaranteed no surveillance and internet freedoms at this point.
>>51771289
so long as the president does the right thing I don't care what chicanery needs to be pulled in the campaign
it's all a stupid game we americans play to determine the next recipient of the grand international roasting
>>51771867
I guess you're right. How do you think the internet, and networks in general, would change if Cisco went poof?
So Trump is essentially espousing all the Republican talking points and rhetoric and everyone is falling for it? This is literally blatant shilling to end net neutrality. The one thing that he and his corporatist could get passed in Congress he's now fear mongering for? How convenient! Funny how you can still say, "muh 9/11, muh terrorist end muh ISIS" and everyone falls in line. I'm so done with this country. It's dead and rotting.
>>51771895
absolutely no change whatsoever unless you are a professional that routinely deals with their equipment. Even then, it'd just be like their normal product cycle, except without another overpriced unit to replace the one that was poofed out of existance.
>>51771798
That's what, five people?
The world is going to shit and instead of panicking, its a meme. I shouldve known as much.
>>51771139
The ONLY and I repeat THE ONLY reason he has support here is because he's the most anti-immigration of all the candidates. That's literally it.
If it wasn't for that nobody would give a shit what he does. Hell I can guarantee you that if fucking Shillary went out and said a wall should be built and we should stop blacks and Muslims from immigrating before Trump did, then she'd gain the most support as well.
>>51770804
Its actually not that hard at all to cut the Internet off from the middle east.
You simply cut all the cables leading out of the country.
Same can be done to cut the main Europe to America route off via the underwater cable lines. Granted those need deep diving submarines to reach but if done that would actually be pretty hard to fix.
>>51771592
The only thing he coded himself were some basic interpreters that ran on altairs and commodores. After that he only managed his business and never wrote a line of code again.
>>51771945
Explosives at the shore also would cut, no? Easier to fix, but the lines are cut at that point.
>>51771930
With a significant level of detachment, even the world's greatest atrocities become memes, to be posted for laughs.
Arguably, they were memes before, but somber ones that remind us not to do those things again. Now, people post the .gif of that dude getting shot in the head during the Vietnam War and fucking laugh while wishing they were there.
>>51771978
Yes if you could get all of them. I think the cable lines are also watched pretty well by satellite. I remember reading about US watching russian subs near one of the lines for awhile .
>>51771978
>>51771945
PS: Of course the Middle east is not only one country, and connections lead to more than one "faction" in the world, that may be unwilling to cooperate.
And then there are still satellite connections and longer distance - if lower bandwidth- RF options.
Not that you should cut off their internet anyways, that's just kinda insane.
>>51772016
Who needs cooperation when you have the freedom train?
Reminds me of that episode of the IT crowd where the two dudes trick the woman into thinking the Internet is a shoe box with a blinking red LED on top, and she shows it to a room full of middle aged businessmen, and they all believe her, then she accidently sits on it and they all panic and start rioting because they think she just destroyed the Internet
>>51771945
>>51771978
cutting a country's internet connection from outside the country is incredibly hard
If it even has one route out of the country, it can route through that way to connect
>>51772011
Of course. The number of lines between the USA and EU is pretty substantial by now.
Not suspecting anyone but the other great powers could pull it off, and no one really has any motivation to mess with the EU and USA both at this point (in this fashion, probably not even with just one).
We also shouldn't do this to the middle east even if we can, by the way.
The best course of action is obviously quite selectively kicking the asses of crazy militants. Not disconnecting everyone in the middle east from information.
>>51770804
>be murican
>pay $300/day for 4/0.25Mb comcast
>inserts comcast ads on every page
>fbi raids house when googling bitcoin
>cia stalks and takes out when googling weed
>republican president shuts down internet for a month
>>51772068
Maybe not *incredibly* hard. I suspect the great powers (EU -even some individual members-, USA, China, Russia, India, maybe Japan and some others) probably could all do it, provided they had the will to, regardless of the probably very harsh consequences.
For what it's worth, our relatively few cable laying and repair ships can't do their work fast enough, or under threat of actually modern-ish military submarines with modern weapons.
That said, idiot terrorists can't, and there is no need to do this anyways.
>OP posts a few lines out of context
>retards immediately believe the OP on face value
>immediately post their knee jerk reactions
Do you faggot children not realize how easy it is to control you?
>>51772150
if you're so in control of yourself, why do you smell like poo, nerd?
>>51772070
Honestly we should carpet bomb them till the sand turns to glass.
The turkroaches also need to stop financin them vis oil.
And we need to nuke Saudi a few times for good measures considering they are the ones who train the terrorists in the middle east.getting rid of all the princes and king would be beneficial to everyone in the world. The only reason no one threatens them now is because they have all the power with oil and money.
>>51772150
Trump actually said this shit, though.
>>51770804
He is a fucking retard, is there anything else to say?
>>51772204
murilards are about to vote him into office.
thats what us unamericans are trying to say, y'ol big doofus
>>51772150
I watched him say it. There is nothing out of context here. Asking Bill Gates for help in shutting down the internet and claiming that supporters of freedom of speech are foolish are things that Trump actually said.
>>51772219
Contrary to yurofag beliefs the republican party is not more than 50% of the us voterbase and even the republicans are distancing themselves from him. He's either going to lose the primary or lose the general election he's alienated a lot of people.
>>51772175
Yes, he said those individual lines in a completely different context from how the OP presented them.
He was speaking specifically about ISIS and how they recruit people off of social media like Twitter while Twitter does nothing to stop it. There are dozens of active ISIS accounts, the ISIS terrorist who shot up the recruiting center in Tennessee openly announced his attack on Twitter 45 minutes before the shooting.
His account was filled with nothing but ISIS propaganda.
That is what Trump was talking about.
But have fun being brainwashed dipshit.
>>51772219
It's okay, hillary will win and take us to war for israel anyway
>>51772248
But he has money. Thanks to citizens united, money = votes.
People vote for the best ad.
>>51772248
the fact he's a leading candidate in polls says enough.
you can damage-control all you want, merika is a nation of retards
>>51772264
The last time a billionaire ran for president he lost and simply made it so the Democrats won automatically.
>>51772258
Shutting down the internet helps this how? Why is free speech foolish?
>>51772137
>
For what it's worth, our relatively few cable laying and repair ships can't do their work fast enough, or under threat of actually modern-ish military submarines with modern weapons.
This. It's an insanely slow process. People actually don't believe me when I tell them that there are fat tubes of fiber-optic cable running under the ocean to connect the eastern network and western network.
>>51772280
Because Obama had even more money.
We've sold our political system to big business.
>>51772242
You're quite literally a lying piece of shit.
>>51772284
How about you actually read the full quote instead of persisting in your childish knee jerk reaction to the cherry picked lines in the OP?
Stopping ISIS from opening recruiting muslims to commit terror attacks in the US is not infringing on free speech. I as a US citizen could not openly advocate the killing of say Californians. That itself is a crime. If I posted such explicit statements on Facebook I would be visited by the police for making terroristic threats or inciting violence.
Yet ISIS is all over Twitter doing literally that very thing.
>>51772274
>a leading candidate
So there's more than one republican candidate doing well then. So that's like ~25% of the country supporting him at most then?
>>51772274
Because the competition is so much better
Bushes older brother
A bunch of religiousnut cases
Someone who failed at leading HP
A joke of a son from Ron Paul
AND then on the side side you have
An old hag who breaks laws and gets away with it because she's old and too famous to take down
And a socialist trying to appeal to Weed fags and other degenerates for votes.
All of which support israel to death by the way because we can't do without that.
Great choices this year.
>>51770804
Now I know why he's so obsessed with China.
>>51772316
So, the internet should be shut down because ISIS is using Twitter?
>>51772302
Obama ran and won in 1992 and 1996 against Ross perot?
>>51772328
>So that's like ~25% of the country supporting him at most then?
the fact that you werent able to infer the meaning of you computation is perhaps the best prove you could give us in support of my point
thanks, my dear dimwitted muritard
>>51772330
Im sorry, but at this point no single individual can save the nation. This whole thread is pointless, people making actual powerful decisions every day will continue to do so, behind the scences, while were all distracted, fighting over which impending dose of poision is worse.
>>51772336
>Just being a childish retarded faggot fuck
How adorable.
Trump was not speaking on shutting down or controlling the entire internet. That was not the subject of discussion. You are continually fixating on one line taken out of context because you're a child.
By the way, heres a little Fun Fact: Obama through an executive act granted his office to totally shut down all US based internet infrastructure in the event of an emergency.
>but hurr durr Trump iz dumb guys
>>51772345
I was referring to the previous Romney election. Going back that far isn't fair to the argument, though. We had fairer elections back then and tighter regulations on what a campaign could and couldn't do.
>>51770804
I don't think he knows what he's talking about.
Gates will tell him to fuck off since it would clash with his own interests. Same with the porn industry, banking, innovation, science and research and so on.
He probably means "shut down twitter"
>>51772348
Yurofag you don't seem to comprehend America's voting system. He needs at least 50% of the voterbase to back him. He doesn't even have more than like 50% of his own party backing him and he's likely going to suffer in the polls because he keeps making an ass of himself. At best he'll split the republican vote and make Hillary win.
>>51772371
I'm well aware of what Obama did so I'm not sure why you're putting a strawman up. What does that have to do with Trump wanting to shut down the internet because ISIS is using Twitter?
>tfw no Sanders
>>51770817
>© FBI
Fake, everything made by the FBI is PD automatically
>>51772391
youre missing my point: you live in a nation where 25% of voters actually support a total retard
>>51771780
Except Ron isn't running this time around. AFAIK
His son is running, plenty of the same values, unfortunately he's a big sellout unlike his father. He seems like the lesser evil this time around, and has my support while he's still in it. Might go for Cruz in the end depending on who looks like they could actually keep Hillary out of office.
>America closes off from rest of the world
>all Americans lose anime
>THE PEOPLE RUNNING THE INTERNET LOSE THEIR ANIME
the mainstream public won't understand it, and think it's fine. But I'll let you know, it won't be fine. It will go terribly downhill.
>>51772384
>He probably means "shut down twitter"
Either way, he's an idiot.
Does America only have two political parties? Or does it have loads of them but only the republicans and democrats are actually popular?
I can't really wrap my head around this whole voting for a president and not a party thing.
Or why you call socialists liberals for that matter.
>>51772450
Those are the two big parties. The other parties are local for the most part and don't have much influence.
>>51772330
>>51772450
Our elections are rigged so that you only have the choice between Republican and Democrat. Despite the rhetoric, they only disagree on meaningless social issues like abortion and the role of religion. They're both the Business Party.
>>51772448
Twitter is a US company and they're facilitating people spreading their propaganda and inciting violence against US citizens.
Twitter, the same company who bans users over totally trivial things like making fun of fat feminists. They are going out of their way to allow ISIS accounts to persist unimpeded. That should be stopped.
If you think reigning in something that is an actual crime and security risk then *you* are the idiot.
>>51772448
Sadly when terrorists have a better understanding of how to use our own tools against us, the only humane thing is to take it away from even them
>>51772438
That's nothing ~50% of the people here vote for a party that does basically nothing, they deny climate change, started a war against inanimate objects, believe in a magical sky man that created homos but hates them for some reason
>>51772450
National level = two parties (+2 independents - lel).
With the same market liberal slant. Could be one party in Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress
> Or why you call socialists liberals for that matter.
They don't really have socialists.
Reminder that Trump is that fascist we've all been waiting for to take the NSA programs and subjugate all of us.
>>51770804
US presidents since Clinton have all talked about this, a kill switch for the internet in case of war.
>>51772450
There's thousands of parties but only two of them do anything on the state and national level.
>>51772258
The context actually makes him seem like even more of a retard.
>We have kids that are watching the Internet, and they want to be masterminds. And then you wonder why we lose all these kids, they want to be masterminds; they're young, they're impressionable, they want to join ISIS.
>And we have our anchors—I think I've got 'em mostly stopped, have you noticed that, they don't say it as much—but they say, the 'young mastermind', oh he's brilliant. I don't think he's got a high IQ. In Paris, I called him the guy with the dirty, filthy hat. 'K? Not a smart guy, a dummy. A mastermind? Bing bing bing, starts shooting everybody.
>The press has to be responsible; they're not being responsible. We're losing a lot of people because of the Internet. We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people who really understand what's happening and maybe, in some ways, closing that Internet up in some ways.
>Somebody will say, 'Oh, freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people, we have a lot of foolish people. We've got to maybe do something with the Internet because they're recruiting by the thousands, they're leaving our country, and then when they come back, we take them back.
>'Where were you?' 'I was fighting for ISIS.' 'Oh, come on back. Go home, enjoy yourself.' When they leave our country and they go to fight or go to ISIS, they never can come back.
>>51772507
didnt obama add one?
did we suddenly forget about it
>>51772487
>>51772488
So is Twitter not deleting these accounts when brought to their attention? Should every online service be shut down if it people are using them to incite violence? If so, what is stopping terrorists from moving from one service to another until they are all banned?
>>51772462
Ah I see. While that's sort off been the case for my country for a long time as well it doesn't seem as "bad" as America. We still have the small dogs that shake things up every once in a while at least.
>>51772479
That's true for like all democratic nations.
>>51772499
>>51772518
Isn't that really limiting? I mean. What if you don't agree with either?
>They don't really have socialists.
Then how come people complain about them all the time?
>>51772330
You guys are aware that you have more than two parties. Right?
>this trump shill ITT
>>51772539
>Then how come people complain about them all the time?
Because the rich people in our country like to get the dumb poor people all riled up in their defense.
>>51772443
Im imagining a world where all the tech savy nerds who waste hours away watching and fapping to chinese cartooms suddenly have a common enemy and lots of free time to do something abput it. It is glorious.
Seriously, you are reading too much liberal shit, he said the same thing Hillary said, ie block ISIS from using Internet as propaganda, he's not literally saying we shout remove all Internet everywhere.
>I posted it again LOL
>>51772539
>Then how come people complain about them all the time?
Socialists is the boogieman term that replaced commies since that term fell out of favor when used as a way of discrediting your opponent regardless of whether or not they are actually a communist.
>>51772499
Actually let me explain the "liberals" thing - it's usually just about anything that is not perfectly business party / market liberals.
You can be a "liberal" or "progressive" if you're absolutely in the anarchist spectrum of politics or when you are a literal nazi in everything (but you support and like winter aid => lel, liberal).
>>51772539
>Isn't that really limiting?
To me it feels like there is less actual choice than in fucking China, yes.
You can't even easily elect someone / some faction that actively opposes the unjust torture and illegal arrest (without trial) of Guantanamo inmates, or that will give 9/11 first responders their god damn health care credit... things that aren't *very* controversial and niche even in the USA - so there should be some strictly representing this policy, with pressure. But you can't elect anyone for them.
> I mean. What if you don't agree with either?
Honestly, you probably get an US style political depression where you just avoid talking about it except to go "FUCK YEA AMERICA" when something goes right.
Or you leave the country, if you're wealthy enough to relatively easily do this.
>>51772575
>muh context
Don't get me wrong; Hillary is a moron too, but you should be ashamed of defending this moronic blathering on stage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcmiHx5Yf2I
>>51772562
>they all get rounded up as cyberterrorists
>the end
>>51772535
>So is Twitter not deleting these accounts when brought to their attention?
Apparently not since there are tons of them and they're watched by thousands of people.
If I made similar heinous threats on Facebook I'd get charged, and my Facebook account would end up frozen or deleted.
There is an issue with one group of extremists coming from one religion fitting one profile, and they are matter of factly at war with us. Everywhere these enemy combatants congregate online they should be rooted out. They shouldn't be allowed a free platform to recruit and garner attention on. That is standard procedure for "white nationalist" groups and militias. I would bet every penny I have that *you* specifically would have no problem if we were talking about white hate groups online. I guarantee that *you* would applaud internet censorship if it was taking a recruiting tool away from scary white people.
For some funny reason you and all the liberal faggot euro scum in this thread only have a problem because Trump is talking about muslims.
>>51772539
What people do is they vote for the one they would prefer to win. No one can vote for who they actually like because it can indirectly cause the other party to win. People registered to the minor parties usually vote for one of the larger ones in the state and national elections. Green and socialists tends to align with the democrats and libertarian and constitution align with the republicans. Generally speaking anyway. Minor parties and NPA(no party/independent) do occasionally win at the local level and state level but it's not very common. It's very rare for them to win more than a handful of seats in congress and nearly impossible for them to win the presidency.
>>51772575
What does this have to do with Hillary? It's already well known on /g/ that she doesn't like freedom.
I fail to see how ISIS can be stopped from using the internet for propaganda purposes other than by being dead. A vague notion of shutting the internet down and stating that free speech concerns are foolish is not reassuring in the least.
>>51772615
>What people do is they vote for the one they would prefer to win.
Yeah but the problem is that all of the "choices" are horseshit. Can't wait for Hillary vs some shitty candidate like Rubio or whatever.
>>51772611
>I would bet every penny I have that *you* specifically would have no problem if we were talking about white hate groups online
No I wouldn't.
Also fuck off /pol/
>>51772611
You know nothing about me and have lost the bet. You're grasping at straws since you seem to be more concerned about what I may be and who I'm supposedly associated with rather than what Trump said or how his implementation is actually feasible.
>>51772592
Sure. Cyber terrorist in a world with no internet.
I'd be happier if I never found the internet. Close it up Trump.
>>51772560
So essentially, businessmen and rich people who presumably like liberal economic ideas want to rile up the masses by shitting on liberals?
Do they want to feel like victims or something?
>>51772580
Fair enough. So basically socialist came to mean communist and liberals came ot mean socialist?
>>51772582
Man. That sounds a bit fucked up. I mean, I don't want to blow my countries trumpets, our political climate is pretty fucked as well and probably it's not much better in practice.
But I at least feel like I have some semblance of a choice. Even though that choice often feels very limited.
Hilary has already supported and back such measures. She's been in the hand of the MPAA and RIAA for awhile now. All in the name of "protecting content innovators and continue to spur innovation." And the cherry on the cake "protect children."
Anyone that thinks Hilary would be any better in this regard is stupid.
As long as the courts don't shit on net nut that the FCC enforced then we should be fine there.
I'm just curious how trump would "close off" the internet to fight the muslims.
>>51772450
Big tent politics means that any slight electoral success from minor parties like libertarian parties are absorbed into the republican party where a libertarian candidate would receive greater electoral success
>>51772689
>Anyone that thinks Hilary would be any better in this regard is stupid.
Almost nobody on /g/ thinks this. Stop using Hillary's shittness to apologize for Trump acting like a buffoon.
>>51772703
What is a libertarian anyways?
Is it basically another word for "classical liberal"(which is what liberal generally means in my country, like out liberal party is aligned more with the right wing and conservative parties)
>>51770804
>How do you feel about this /g/?
Great. Tear it the fuck down. Burn it to the ground and give the normies a padded cell to tweet in as a replacement.
>>51772616
Double standards. Hillary can say that we should disable Internet access to the middle east but when Trump says that, everybody uses some yellow journalism and presto, "Trump just said an incredible stupid thing again".
As for freedom of speech, the US constitution only protects the US citizens, not random middle easterners. I don't see how shutting down Internet to people on the other side of the world, which consider themselves at war with you, is somehow infringing the freedom of speech of US citizens.
I still think he would be a great president.
At least he might be insane to at least try the shit he's saying, most (if not all of them) say what their voters want to listen and don't do any shit after elected.
>>51772684
>Man. That sounds a bit fucked up. I mean, I don't want to blow my countries trumpets, our political climate is pretty fucked as well and probably it's not much better in practice.
It is fucked up.
For most -even very big, long-standing national issues- you can't really select a party, and often not even a candidate that represents your view.
Oh, certainly this is hard for smaller / more rare issues almost everywhere (say, if you'd really like all food to feature detailed lists of contents by law), but even there in Europe you might find some candidates or even parties that think this is worth at least putting into the legislative process and backing it.
But for all big topics that had some prominence on a national level? You surely can find candidates AND parties representing your stance. Maybe you can't get an entity that has the same opinion on *all* topics that remotely matter to you, but you can easily find one that represents one or two of your biggest issues -that were already on a national level and are widely known- correctly, and actually will do something about them to the approximate extent of their power.
Not so in the USA. So yes, that's fucked up.
>>51772720
Yes. Libertarians are like more ideologically pure, less hypocritical Republicans.
They believe in minimal government in all forms, whether it's military, social policy, taxes, or anything. Basically they want the government to get out of the way and let individuals decide things. It's kind of like a much less extreme version of anarchism.
>>51772684
>Fair enough. So basically socialist came to mean communist and liberals came ot mean socialist?
The terms liberal and socialist aren't always used to mean the same thing but, yes, for the most part they're synonymous. They're rarely referring to anything to do with liberalism or socialism outside of political junkies' conversations and academia. It's basically used to accuse someone of not being American enough. It's more frequently used to describe Democrats rather than Republicans. Calling a Republican a liberal has more to do with whether their from a gun-grabber state or city or to insinuate that they're too much of a coward to do what the more hard line Republicans would do and/or that they're a RINO.
>>51772716
Not op but he's not acting like a buffoon. Both sides have been wanting this for awhile. Trump is just the first, like many instances so far, to state it so openly and at face value.
The rest try to sugar coat it or hide their intentions by burying it in some sort of obscure legislation.
Internet censorship has been a long time coming in the US. Same with modifications to allow freedom of speech censorship.
We have gone so long without having to shed blood for freedoms that we are so willing to give it up to a select few who want to be leaders among leaders. We forget the importance of said freedoms.
>>51772720
Pretty much liberalism as it's referred to in international relations and the rest of the US, at least on the surface. Going deeper into it libertarianism is about small government whereas I've always seen liberalism as an global political concept being more about equality, democracy and spread of free market
but you do still get libertarians in the democrats, just far fewer of them, as a lot of republicans just align with libertarians because they don't want to pay taxes
>>51772744
Shouldn't that be the choice of the company who runs the service though?
I mean. What's stopping the US government to basically go full China and ban a bunch of foreign websites they don't like?
HAHAHAHHAHAH is this real? HAHAHAHAHHA fuck.
>>51772780
Nothing. China is our future. :^)
If you ever support a candidate then you've already lost. You should never be excited to give someone ruling authority over yourself. It's asinine and submissive, doesn't matter if it's a repub, democrat, or 3rd-party.
>>51772744
I'm aware of that double standard but I fail to see how that's relevant to /g/. I also fail to see how it's feasible to shut down ISIS' access to the internet.
>>51772778
>lol let's call Bill Gates to shutdown the internet
>not a moron
I wish I could disagree with the rest of your post, but it's true.
>>51772780
I don't think you understand what he meant, he means physically destroying their links to the rest of the world. He won't be banning sites, everything remain the way it is but the people in ISIS territory won't be able to access the rest of the world (and you won't be able to access whatever there's hosted in Raqqa). It's not about banning Internet to you, or anybody in the West, it's not a great firewall of China, everything you know and use will still exist, but they won't be able to access twitter, facebook, email and shit.
>>51772812
this kid has it all figured out
>>51772812
What a nice ideologically pure stance to have. Unfortunately, it's useless since people will have ruling authority over you regardless of your choice to vote or not vote.
If by some freak chance, you were the deciding vote between a despot and a decent president; you would be absolutely stupid to not show up to vote because you don't want to willing let someone give ruling authority over yourself.
>>51772755
I see. This has been quite illuminating I must say.
Granted as I said it's not much better in my country. We have 8 parties in power with only one seat independent. And 7 of those parties have formed two big alliances.
I guess we are just two party politics in disguise.
>>51772757
Ah. That's what I would classify as a liberal. IE, "the individual before everything", where as the socialist are more the "population before everything".
>>51772771
I'm guessing you don't have many "liberal-conservatives" in America?
>>51772779
>Going deeper into it libertarianism is about small government whereas I've always seen liberalism as an global political concept being more about equality, democracy and spread of free market
I can dig that.
>>51770804
His cunty ideas aside, I'm more pissed about how he sounds so fucking retarded when putting them forward. He makes Dubbya sound eloquent.
>>51772817
>what are fiber cables
You don't even need to shut all of then down, just destroy a few backbones and let them shitpost with a congested 10kbps network.
>>51772868
>liberal-conservatives
Socially liberal fiscally conservative? That's what a libertarian is.
>>51771287
To be fair he probably knows a lot about how the internet works.
But the guys they should see would be Cisco as they are the ones who helped build and maintain the great firewall of china in till china decided they wanted to keep things in house.
Just zip it up you retards. I'm suck of these Muslims and their cyber attacks.
>>51772812
I'm just fine supporting "my" social democrat candidates, thank you.
They'll help allocate funds from society to effectively shelter and educate poor people and their kids as is necessary, partly represent us against otherwise more powerful entities (like pharmaceutical companies that you currently need due to being ill, companies that would like to just use and then discard the youngest / most promising work force on the cheap with no work limits, minimum pay or safety regulations), and help with law & order by funding adequate police, judicial system, and government & support services.
>>51772822
Its not true.
No different than Obama or even Hilary stating "we need to ask and get the advice of our nations leaders and innovators in specialized sectors to make informed decisions."
Who do you think they mean by this when they state that? That's right, zuckerberg, gates, extra.
Trump is by no means stupid. He stated gates for a particular reason. He stated it, because like most politicians he's speaking to normie's, and normies can spout "yeah! we need that gates thar to block off dem internats from the towel heads!!! He made DAT internat after all, the big blue E!" "'Merica fuck yeah!"
>>51771287
He invented the internet icon. Trump probably removed the internet icon before and had to call Microsoft tech support for help.
>>51772868
>>I'm guessing you don't have many "liberal-conservatives" in America?
within the democrats you get blue-dog democrats who are socially conservative and usually fiscally liberal or moderate
within the republicans you get rockefeller republicans who are socially liberal and economically conservative
The Republicans and democrats are surprisingly diverse
>>51772841
>>51772881
That's still not feasible. US intelligence relies on those cables as well as our other interests. ISIS already has people outside of ISIS territory.
>>51772868
>I'm guessing you don't have many "liberal-conservatives" in America?
They exist. Basically, they style themselves as socially one thing and fiscally another like >>51772884 said.
>All these faggots whining about "Obama and Hillary want it to" as if 1)/g/ is flooded with Obama and Hillary supporters and 2)you're supposed to vote for people and not ideas during elections
>All these faggots who don't think Twitter isn't banning ISIS accounts so they can be monitored by the government
>>51772906
>normies
>yfw Trump is literally Palin with a dick and a combover
>yfw Lardassians vote for the fucking guy
>>51772496
Lmao edgy teens who think homos arent a defect and a flaw in nature. Kill yourself
>>51772906
If Obama or Hillary actually consult with zuckerberg or gates to shutdown the internet, then they are also idiots.
Trump could have just said "we need to talk to experts" or something along those lines. He specifically names Gates and his entire delivery in that speech is that of imbecile. Stop defending this clown, it's embarrassing.
>>51770804
Can't close the internet just isolate portion of it and even then its iffy.
Also its Dailydot website soooo
>>51772948
>yfw next election will be between Trump and fucking Kanye West
>in Dennis the Menace and Gay Fish we trust
>>51770971
>>51771139
He hasn't really clarified on what he meant to "close" the internet really. This type of shit is a way for leftist to shut down the discussion based on fear mongering the fucking internet. He could actually mean shutting down terrorist known ISIS websites that regularly upload content to the internet for propaganda. This might actually not even be in the US could be us taking a offensive CYBERATTACKS or some shit.
Don't really care though its better than what we have now with that shit getting signed obama TPP or whatever it is.
>>51772965
>Natural things can be flawed
>Nature
>>51772884
I guess you could say that. It kinda means a lot of different things depending on the country and time.
Guess you could also say it's a bit like conservatism without the nationalism.
>>51772910
That seems even more confusing from a voting perspective.
>>51772496
>Democrats aren't also dumb Christians
>Democrats don't also start stupid wars
>>51772391
He needs ~22% of the voters at a minimum to become president retard.
>>51772905
It must be nice to have never lived around actual impoverished areas. The people there are animals. Giving them food and shelter does nothing except help them reproduce and continue the cycle.
>>51772991
Well, they can, non beneficial mutations are natural occurances, but they are flawed. Being gay is a flaw, but since it's not genetic it isn't sorted out through evolution (not that humans are all that affected by natural selection anymore)
>>51773000
Isn't it pretty much career suicide to declare yourself an atheist as a candidate? Democrats or not.
>>51772991
So i bet you think mentally retarded people are not flawed
Lmao retard
>>51772548
Voting 3rd party at this point is equivalent to a wasted vote. Not like any of the 3rd party nominees have any real political clout anyway.
>>51773029
Yeah more or less, but Democrats are also overwhelmingly Christian. It's not a party of secret Atheists or whatever.
>>51772391
>trying to lecture Eurofags when Europe actually has functional democracies and multiparty systems rather than a 2 party hegemony that is, in effect, a corporate dictatorship
ayy lmao
>>51773038
Voting for either of the two complete shitheads that will run and continue to take away your rights like everyone else before them is the real waste of vote. Fuck off; this attitude is the reason why we have bullshit like the NSA spying on literally everyone in the world.
>>51773020
>>51773035
Next you'll start talking about how nature can make mistakes and oppositely charged particles "like" each other
>>51772906
This argument is terrible. Basically, you're saying that Trump knowingly talked about a subject way out of his area of expertise knowing that it would go over like a lead balloon with people who know much more about it than him but are also friends and family of these same "normies." It would be much smarter to say something smart when talking about technology to the general public as they'll assume that you have some idea of what you're talking about and they can ask their more knowledgeable friends and family about it. Now, they'll be hearing from the "computer experts" how dumb Trump is instead of why Trump's plan is reasonable maybe with some caveats. You should stop shilling for this guy if he doesn't even understand this part of politics.
>>51770804
>“We have to go see Bill Gates”
>implying Bill Gates is in charge of the internet
>>51773070
Not even worth my time. Go suck some dick you retarded faggot.
>>51773010
I didn't live back then, but historically, we had quite many impoverished areas until we got universal education and universal health care and a more tiered education system that also ties into social welfare.
Perpectiveless, desperate, generationally poor people are recorded as not too rarely acting like animals.
People who see a way out and get fair treatment are almost all not animals. The remainder, yes, we can put them into prison as they act aggressive and criminal, and hopefully reform them there.
>>51773055
To be fair. It's not much better in a lot of Europe either.
We just like to disguise our two parties as alliances and coalitions instead.
>>51771779
>He actually think the same party will win 3 times in a row
>Specially after Obama
>Specially miss Hilarious SJW Meme
>>51773085
Dude, Bill Gates is the richest man in the world. That guy invented computers and technology desu senpai.
>>51773065
Don't get mad at me m8, I'm just pointing out facts. ~80% of the country votes along party lines every single time. There's no stopping them from doing that. They're definitely retarded for doing so but these people are already beyond reason. 3rd parties are useless even if they have good ideas. Even in a dream scenario of an intelligent 3rd party being elected congress would still be stuck in gridlock because 3rd parties don't have enough support
>>51773123
You mean Steve Jobs, baka senpai desu~.
>>51773090
>I'm the retard for not being keked by ideas like muh nature and muh what it means to be human
You're probably right
>>51773110
These two parties are then not just across the political spectrum of one European party (as is essentially the state of affairs in the USA), though.
And the alliance is not really requiring fixed views on most topics.
And the alliances can easily fracture and recompose if some big issue leads to disagreement.
>>51773055
As far as I've heard eurofag politics is just as convoluted as US cause you have so many parties.
>>51773029
Democrats are Christians for the most part.
>>51771173
>people will unironically vote
ftfy
>>51772812
>If you ever support a candidate then you've already lost.
So what are you supposed to support? The party? Doesn't that give the party "ruling authority" over yourself?
>>51773194
They're more accepting of homos though even still.
>>51772987
>He could actually mean shutting down terrorist known ISIS websites that regularly upload content to the internet for propaganda.
Freedom of speech is freedom of speech.
It would be akin to Trump shutting down 4chan for incitement for violence against Jews after a Synagogue was burned down with children inside it.
>>51773215
He's obviously exposing anarchist rhetoric.
Hahaha oh man, Bill Gates, the wizard of the internet.
Right.
"Hey, Billy, what can you tell me about the internet?"
"It is one of the single most powerful, life saving, helpful and impressive creations man had ever implemented. Without the internet we would be men in caves."
"Cool yeah okay yeah so how do we shut it down?"
"... Pardon?"
"There internet! We need to shut it down to preserve our people's lives."
"You're... That's... No?"
The great firewall of China hasn't had a positive effect on China.
Neither has North Korea's insulatory communication with the outside world.
>>51773215
>>51773276
Actually I'm more for pure democracy than a republic. In a pure democracy the uninformed will usually cancel each others votes out (there's a good TED talk on this) so the voting is done democratically by the informed. This is versus giving all of the power to a candidate whose ultimate goal it is to further their political career.
>>51773343
>the uninformed will usually cancel each others votes out
That's a really big assumption there.
>>51771757
That's how it works.
They want money, people want those things you mentioned, they pander for money.
Easy.
>>51773343
Have a link to it? Sounds interesting.
>>51773343
>for pure democracy than a republic
Direct democracy? Impossible in reality.
>>51773380
They're not pandering for money, they're using it to distract the people who would ordinarily be fighting the oligarchy. They're trying to cover their asses through subversion.
You are worried about giving Trump the internet, and not him getting A FUCKING NUCLEAR ARSENAL HOLY FUCK THIS FUCKING GUY IN CHARGE OF FUCKING NUKES THE ONLY THING HE IS GONNA "FIRE" ARE THERMONUCLEAR WARHEADS
>>51773371
>>51773405
>>51773414
Sorry, not a fancy TED talk, just a seminar:
http://millercenter.org/scripps/archive/forum/detail/3853
>>51771275
>trump is the least shit
I know nothing about American politics, but I'm sure the republicans must have a candidate better than someone who suggests shutting down the internet to vote pander. If they actually don't you should probably be voting for the other party.
>>51773304
You might not like their style of government, but it's pretty stable. China was never a democracy, what makes you think it would magically work out?
Can we stop discussing the politics behind this (same-old, same-old) and start discussing the technological implications?
>Banning encryption
How would this even manifest itself? Is it possible? How easy would it be to circumvent? What would happen to all of the open-source encryption tools available all of the world? What's to prevent people of developing and implementing their own encryption schemes? How would you imagine the world (and black markets) functioning in absence of true (non-backdoored) encryption?
>thinking closing the internet would be a bad thing
>>51773371
>>51773405
>>51773414
Miracle of aggregation.
>>51773490
Counter-argument
>>51773580
Banning encryption just means they want to make it illegal. It's literally impossible to prevent.
>>51773608
How do they even begin to enforce that law? Is it really possible?
>>51773580
Banning encryption is about as feasible as banning guns in the US. People will continue on with their lives like before but they'll be unknowingly breaking the law. Completely unenforceable too.
>>51773608
Exactly.
>>51773629
They'll just bring back the crypto export laws and other shit like that again.
>>51773597
>Miracle of aggregation.
That assumes the uniformed votes will always be random and never be influence by any sort of populist figure.
>>51773629
For websites they would likely force companies in the US to give them their private key. Then companies would build servers outside of the US if they wanted to avoid that especially if the EU disagrees with that policy and forces them to. So then there would either be localized servers just for the US or companies would just avoid putting servers in the US altogether.
>>51773658
or that the influence of the populist figures also cancel each other out
>>51773597
>Counter-argument
That argument assumes that what's good for the majority is good for the individual. This is one the major issues with trade deals. In general they increase overall welfare but there are indeed winners and losers. Theoretically, the losers can be compensated (as recommended by economists) but historically this has not been done.
>>51770804
Actually, I agree with him, should let people max 5 hours on the Internet per day.
>>51773695
That's way too much of a roll of the dice.
>>51773716
>government should tell people how much time they can spend on the internet
nice respect for liberty you got there
>>51773716
That would be great for sysadmins
>>51773716
>how to spot the consumer sheep
Not everyone uses the internet for youtube and facebook retard
>>51773629
Encrypted hard drives fuck the police/intelligence agencies over if they're looking for evidence or information. And they can't make you unlock it.
So if encryption was illegal they could just arrest the suspects or force them to give up the key.
>>51773608
Yeah, but a ban would/could have a lot of impact. It's not rocket science to detect if a document is encrypted, and when you shut that down at ISP level in big countries, it would hurt. And I don't even give much fucks about political activism, a much bigger incentive against strong encryption is industrial espionage against foreign companies, which is simply disgusting.
>>51770804
I can live with the internet being shut down. I can't live if my head is cut off by a dunespeaking mudslime.
>>51773818
You can live in a cage, too.
>>51773818
>this is how Trump supports justify their support for their braindead candidate
>>51773837
Filthy Muslim detected.
>>51773855
>false dilemma
>>51773794
What if they deleted the private key? How would they be able to coerce them to decryt something that is by all means not decryptable? Wouldn't this still fall under the umbrella of plausible deniability?
>>51773855
>Everyone who disagrees with me is part of a demographics that I don't deem worthy of engaging with
Yep, it's a Trump supporter
>>51773818
...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
>>51773818
I'd rather get beheaded with a rusty spoon than giving up on modern technology, and the internet is a huge part of it.
>>51773778
What's something important you need the internet for?
>>51773914
porn
