Anyone else sad about the state of technology?
> Windows 10 literally steals your data, no one seems to mind
> Apple is making a killing selling overpriced hardware because it's shiny and has the right brand name
> People have gotten used to having their data gathered and used by large companies such as google
> There is nothing you can do to change any of this
The future looks bleak /g/
> Anyone who cares about their privacy is written off as a paranoid tinfoil hat person
>>51763986
> Open source software is unsupported
> Using it means being mocked
> People love the closed-source cock up their ass
> "Why would I use linux bruh? It doesn't support gaymes!"
> Tech industry being filled with unqualified fucktards because of "diversity"
Time to kill myself when?
>>51763986
daily reminder that google is the only good utopia to rely on and will keep their data for themselves while microsoft and apple utopia sell it to china
>>51763986
>no one seems to mind windows 10
yes they do. the only data theyll be harvesting is from normies.
>apple
again, normies. let normies be normies.
>data harvested by google chrome
normies.
>nothing will change
exactly and it shouldn't. elitists need to stay elite it would be terrible if everyone were to be as elite as an elitist. i mean, im so elite im an elitist amongst elitists.
>the future looks bleak
yup.
>>51764040
so basically the only data theyll ever get is from retards :^) let them have their retarded data, theyll never get us elitists :D
>>51763986
>> Anyone who cares about their privacy is written off as a paranoid tinfoil hat person
No, I just write you people off as spineless keks who will never do anything meaningful about it but still feel smug for trying.
>>51763986
In almost every case I now find myself choosing the least worst option for software, hardware, services, etc.
Everything has been commoditized.
Innovation is dead.
>Windows has gone from a professional OS for business professionals to a consumertard pander-fest
>Mac OS has gone from the platform of choice for graphic design and desktop publishing to a facebook tard pander-fest
>GNU/Linux has gone from the last great hope of *nix to an half-assed luddite pander-fest
>even "knowledgeable" technology communities do nothing but suck off corporate cock and worship facebook machine trash like smartphones, yet still think they're hot shit because they jump on low-hanging fruit bandwagons like "appul is evil xDDD" and "DAE proprietary software???"
>all tech looks the same, innovation and excitement are dead
>faggots like OP didn't do anything to stop it when they could and are now today making whiny threads bitching about the fact that it's too late
>>51763986
> There is nothing you can do to change any of this
Linux or BSD? Use them?
>>51764292
>just ignore it by gimping yourself with sub-par software and it will go away
>>51764266
> Encourage friends to use linux
> Encourage friends to do better privacy
> Demonstrate my ability to still do everything they do while staying private and free
> Get called a paranoid faggot and mocked for not being able to run gaymes
>>51763986
SOON:
people who care about privacy are terrorist.
t. France banning TOR and public WiFi
what are you hiding. terrorist? why are you evading our spying on you so you can talk to your terrorist friends and plan terrorist plans?
HUH>???
TERRORIST
>>51764308
>sub-par software
There's tons of good software in that platforms though, hardly sub-par.
>>51764232
>Innovation is dead.
so true.
even fagdroid with all its open access and easily customized ROMs, is just bullshit without anything decent being made for it anymore.
>>51764031
Nope, Google is infected too
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35035087
>>51764345
DESTROY THE TOOLS OF THE JIHAD! SHUTDOWN FACEBOOK AND TWITTER!
the thing I don't like is that major programming frameworks are all just made by companies
facebook react
google angular
twitter bootstrap
fuck those frameworks
>>51764308
Let's note at this point that the enterprises who don't like its data inaccessible for any reason or computations not to complete use Linux to run these... almost all of them do.
Maybe it's not the same to you because you can't play all games and suckle Adobe's poorly made software while you whine about freedoms, but sub-par it is not.
Also, no difference for watching porn and posting shit on facebook and a thousand more pleb-ready things, so actually, move at least these activities to a Linux machine, rather than whining.
>>51764407
all i can read is
"He insisted that censorship and invasions of privacy would not solve the situation.
"We should build tools to help de-escalate tensions on social media - sort of like spell-checkers, but for hate and harassment. We should target social accounts for terrorist groups like the Islamic State, and remove videos before they spread, or help those countering terrorist messages to find their voice.
"Without this type of leadership from government, from citizens, from tech companies, the Internet could become a vehicle for further disaggregation of poorly built societies, and the empowerment of the wrong people, and the wrong voices."
which basically tells me that google wants to calm tech illiterate governments with this statement that the internet is not a main cause
>>51764407
Of all the things you could have cited, you pick that? Pretty weak desu senpai.
>>51764469
this desu senpai
>>51764432
Apache hosts quite a few popular ones on "neutral ground" of sorts.
And then I don't see any particular danger with smaller companies such as the ones behind Scala's Lift and Play frameworks... or even Akka.
Either way, if it's open sauce, fork and you're behind your branch of the framework now.
>>51763986
It's just too bad computers and the web aren't new and completely unformed anymore. It's all explored, owned and governed by politics, laws and money so I see less possibilities.
Even posting here anonymously by solving Google captcha feels like we're The Wild Bunch doing our last heist, kek.
But that's cyberpunk for you, anon. Use free software, have a DIY attitude, fuck normies and jump on the next small wave of freedom when you see it.
>>51764061
>>51764040
>trying to act like you don't want windows 10
>>51763986
>Windows 10 literally steals your data, no one seems to mind
There are a lot of people who mind, at least in tech circles. Winkeks have also grown to dislike Windows' insistence on automatic updates and forced restarts.
>Apple is making a killing selling overpriced hardware because it's shiny and has the right brand name
Macs aren't overpriced desu senpai. This isn't an issue.
>People have gotten used to having their data gathered and used by large companies such as google
Might as well get used to it while you can. At least they're a benevolent dictator.
>>51764570
>Macs aren't overpriced desu senpai. This isn't an issue.
The only reason you pay so much for the new iShiny is the faggy little apple logo on it, not any of the parts in it. It's only not an issue (for me) since I'm not dumb enough to waste my money on apple products.
>>51764322
Because the average user doesn't give a shit about Stallman's ideology, all they see is a very unpolished interface that can't run all the software they want to run, they don't really give a shit if they can modify the code and redistribute it, or sticking it to da ebul corporations.
>muh games
Why are you people always so offended with this notion? Is there really ultimately any difference between wasting your life away on interactive entertainment software and wasting your life away mindlessly consuming TV shows and movies, or surfing 4chan? It's incredible to see GNU/Linux advocates on /g/ whine and complain about productivity when the average advocate of such software typically has a very basic, platform-agnostic use case.
>>51764387
I'm going to mostly agree with you and leave it at that, since we've already heard the arguments to the contrary over and over a-fucking-gain.
Open source isn't dying bros, it's powering everything. I work for a major software company. We're about to ditch all 3rd party solutions we use that aren't open source to full open source.
>>51764017
>It doesn't support gaymes
He's got the point though. Computer is an entertainment system for 90% people after all.
>>51764618
enjoy getting hacked and ddosed :^)
>>51764605
Maybe he meant it isn't an issue that Apple products are overpriced, the company has lots of other problems than being a tech fashion cult.
Either that or he's a fanboy.
>>51764519
>But that's cyberpunk for you, anon. Use free software, have a DIY attitude, fuck normies and jump on the next small wave of freedom when you see it.
Most people bitching here on 4chan can't deal with even pretty slight inconveniences and extra expenses.
[OMFG two weeks worth of spare money and three hours to get a Linux box set up to a configuration I can largely use? I'll continue getting abducted by my OS on auto pilot to places I don't like to avoid THAT!]
>at least google are the good guys because they are slightly better than X
you could present a thesis to a brick wall and it would still understand more than the above unfortunate victim of mindfuckery.
i'm not debating this shit anymore.
windows 10 steals information about uac escalations? holy shit what a travesty!
>>51764671
>Most people bitching here on 4chan can't deal with even pretty slight inconveniences and extra expenses.
Well, I say fuck 'em!
>>51764627
If you play games, keep that on Windows or Android or wherever you play them.
I do not think that this one thing would usually be the thing that upsets you about Windows being a privacy invasive OS on autopilot now...?
If everything else you do isn't on there, that's something, no?
>>51763986
I work for one of those big corporations gathering people's data. The present state of technology gives me a comfy job.
Also a good chance of robowaifus being real within my lifetime.
>free music, movies, software, games
>retards keep selling perfect hardware for pennies just because they need the latest turd out there to play le gaymes
>bandwidth connection cheaper than ever
>can access internet from pretty much anywhere
>there's an alternative for nearly everything
Nah, you've just become spoiled.
>>51764605
I've literally never bought an iShiggy
Here's an example. Building a Mac Pro equivalent would only be $600 cheaper, and that doesn't account for the massive expense introduced by the tiny trash can form factor. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tB9JJx
Most other Mac prices could also be justified by the form factor, display quality, trackpad quality, build quality, etc. Macs are not overpriced. I don't like them either, but they're not overpriced.
>>51764618
Well i would really be surprise if the company owner or ceo or whatever it is made that decision out of belief in open source and not just to cut costs,
>>51764671
linux has its place, and it isnt a replacement for windows in the desktop space
if i have to reboot just once into windows to use some software, there isnt a reason for it to be a main os when i can run windows, do everything i want, and run linux in a vm to take care of any programming that requires it
>>51764821
Yeah, until you have a problem and can't contact the vendor for support.
Or until you realize that active directory is now gone.
>>51764734
It's very inconvenient for an average user. I play my games on my gayming desktop pc, which I bought for this purpose exclusively. and do my work and everything else on my trusty Linux(opensuse) laptop. And I do that because I am aware of all the privacy issues and also because I am a little bit paranoid(I especially blame that on /g/). In the other hand commoners won't do that because of simple inconvenience.
>>51764734
Why would the average user compromise themselves at all for something they consider nothing more than a tool, not a lifestyle?
Why does /g/ have such a hard time comprehending that the average person doesn't live on their computers like they do?
>>51764800
Thank you for getting it
>>51764800
They are overpriced if you don't buy the part that makes this comparison seem valid - the GPU. Apple gives you them at a "discount" because they're not worth this much in the first place.
A R9 290X is vastly faster and cheaper unless your applications don't support it...
>>51763986
>Apple is making a killing selling overpriced hardware because it's shiny and has the right brand name
I found the problem, OP: you're an idiot.
Go and actually price out individual components. And I don't mean "hurr Samsung 850 EVO SSD is so much cheaper!" I mean, go price out a 4-channel PCIe SSD, a proper Intel chipset, etc.
Then go and find a laptop with these features and compare:
1) Trackpad feel and performance.
2) Keyboard feel, particularly overall stiffness (i.e. does pushing on H make the rest of the keyboard flex downward?).
3) Sound. How is the fan control? Every PC laptop I've ever used has had HORRENDOUS fan control. Like, spinning up to 100% and slowly dropping down every time they need to increase fan speed, as on my shitty Toshiba.
Every singe time I price out Apple hardware, it actually cheaper than comparable PC hardware, assuming you can even find an equivalent.
> There is nothing you can do to change any of this
What do you want to change? Run Linux and create your own services to replace the likes of OneDrive, Dropbox, etc.
It's always been the same, you just got older and more bitter.
I'm going to enjoy seeing if there will be the 2000-2005 and 2005-2010 versions of 80s BBS circlejerks consisting of various types of luddites insisting the golden era is gone yet not wanting to admit it was always shit. How long will it take for these to crop up?
Nothing you can do about it OP. Humans don't have control over their destiny. Choice is an illusion. Try to find ways to be happy with the incredible standard of living afforded to most these days. Freedom is an illusion that nobody really wants anymore.
>>51764899
here comes the retards to jump on the lowest hanging fruit in the entire fucking post
god damn I hate you bikeshedding faggots
>>51764829
Or you can do the opposite, like I do. I find Linux a better environment for work and everyday use because of customization and a good shell. Also maintaining is super easy. I don't know why people still believe Linux is not for desktop.
I literally only need Windows to check if the files I made in LibreOffice look the same in Microsoft Office after I export them in something other than pdf and maybe play an old gayme once in a while and I don't want to fuck with wine if I don't absolutely need to.
>>51764915
Suck my dick, you whiny-ass bitch. OP should either make a thread containing his wildly inaccurate assumptions about Apple hardware, or he should make a thread about privacy concerns. Why intermingle them?
>>51764867
> It's very inconvenient for an average user.
> In the other hand commoners won't do that because of simple inconvenience.
This very big inconvenience is on such a scale that they almost all now have two computers - a desktop one and a smartphone.
Poor, poor consumers.
I heard the same heart-tearing story when they had to finance and maintain two desktop computers to get Linux + Windows. I guess now it got sooo much worse with Linux + Windows + Android...
No, seriously, if this little expense and work is enough to faze you, then I suggest you just resign yourself to giving corporate entities all they want. They'll always make that the most convenient thing by this much at least.
>>51764903
>just smoked his first joint with deep friends from college
>>51764899
You forgot the part where showing up at starbucks with your latest macbook pro would make you feel cool and hip and if you pulled out black ugly thinkpad people would look at you with disdain.
Leave /g/ and never come back faggot.
>>51764734
>tells people to keep using the OS that does everything they want/need while not using his vast intellectual superiority to improve linux to the point where there is no alternative but linux.
>gets really mad when reminded that nobody uses linux
>>51764945
I find LibreOffice just plain unpleasurable to use, I would rather be using the real Office 97 interface they cloned it from since at least I would be getting a better looking default icon set.
It does its job, but it feels very kludgy while it does it.
>>51764949
You delusional faggots will never win over each other, you just need to accept it instead of covering /g/ in babby's first bias since 1993
>>51764970
>No, seriously, if this little expense and work is enough to faze you, then I suggest you just resign yourself to giving corporate entities all they want. They'll always make that the most convenient thing by this much at least.
That's exactly what they have done, and why you are fighting a losing battle.
If you want more people to come over to your platform, maybe you should consider not trying to force your luddite '90s kid mentality on them and actually deliver a product they want?
A computer is a tool, it's an ultimately trivial thing designed to make lives easier, and if it doesn't, well, what's the point?
>>51764899
>>2) Keyboard feel, particularly overall stiffness (i.e. does pushing on H make the rest of the keyboard flex downward?).
Every Thinkpad I've ever typed on - including the recent ones which are a distinct regression from the older 7-row keyboards on the T520 and earlier - has felt much better than that chiclet junk on Macbooks. Its not even in the same league.
>>51764469
Inb4 ISIS targets Google's HQ..
>>51764900
>insisting the golden era is gone yet not wanting to admit it was always shit. How long will it take for these to crop up?
IMO a lot of the hope and excitement for technology is gone. In the 1990s there was a ton of really creative stuff going on. BeOS, for example. That was ambitious as fuck. Microsoft Longhorn, that was also ambitious as fuck, but got canceled and replaced as a rework of XP called Vista.
Hardware has become Lego easy, and laptops that people actually want have become commodities. Software has become generally more mundane and similar. Hardly anything interesting is done on the desktop anymore, since the money is in capturing a little bit of a huge number of users, so you get really middle-of-the-road, mass-appeal rehashes of the same ideas.
>>51765004
I don't even own a Macbook, faggot, I'm just smarter and less bigoted than you.
>>51765069
holy shit good guess
Web 2.0 fucking SUCKS
>>51765123
We in web 3.0 desu.
>>51764893
>what is a workstation
Mac Pros aren't gaming machines, you sperglord. FirePro cards are for actual work.
>>51765123
Is Web 3.0 the Social Justice web?
>>51764469
>censorships will not solve the situation
>remove videos before they spread
>"The wrong people, the wrong voices"
Translation
>"Voices that disagree with us"
There is no justification for censorship. Google literally wants to sedate society to keep them from "radicalizing", a word that here means "change that is different from the approved change".
>>51765142
Too bad it sucks ass at "real" work in comparison to actual workstations, too.
>>51763986
>> Apple is making a killing selling overpriced hardware because it's shiny and has the right brand name
and the product quality is shit
i know everything they have is overpriced but there are so many parts that are the same quality i would expect out of a dollar store thing, their keys(like on a keyboard) are some of the worst offenders
those things scratch easily, get indents all the fucking time, feel like they will shatter under your finger, and start to melt at a low temperature
>>51764800
And the Apple warranty. Literally no questions asked returns.
Just try to return your Moto designated shitting street device.
>>51765166
change is happening anyway with the new world order and from my point of view, google is trying to be the most humane utopia out there.. it's just that at some point in our timeline, we won't have a choice anymore and my religion will be based upon google alphabet utopia
>>51765021
No, actually about everyone using the internet is near constantly using Linux... indirectly.
Oh, and most the people using smartphones, too.
And most people doing real life transactions or like, buying tickets for public transport or such.
Actually, there *is* pretty much no alternative but to use Linux. You just don't use it in one certain place yet.
>>51765055
>I find LibreOffice just plain unpleasurable to use
Believe me, I do too. But I just hate all the Office suites and all that text formatting and idiotic spreadsheets.
>>51765166
This
>>51765142
Nvidia Tesla are special hardware.
FirePro are not actually really different.Tthey're very much gaming GPU with enterprise price labels slapped on, making them very special for retards and/or Apple users.
AMD can't really get in the way of application developers that want to make their software work fine on gaming GPU, though (or they'd loose even more market share to Nvidia), so actually even in practice it rarely matters, most have figured out to use any commodity hardware to accelerate their software.
>>51765256
>You just don't use it in one certain place yet.
He's saving it for special occasion.
>>51765166
>There is no justification for censorship.
Nerds always bust out the "but censorship!" line when people suggest that Twitter and similar shouldn't be hosting promotional material for fucking TERRORISTS.
Fuck that. Terrorists have no freedom of speech on services run by US corporations. It is absolutely DISGUSTING that a US corp would host ANY terrorist propaganda.
Errybody whines about how we get sooo much valuable information on them. No, fuck that! Let those cave-dwelling retards try to build their own services. They won't be able to.
STOP AIDING TERRORISTS. Demand that Twitter take down any and all accounts promoting terrorism.
>>51765382
Calm your tits, man. You're acting like a terrorist trying too hard not to look like one. I'd report you if we were on Twatter.
>>51764017
got a point about games. regarding using open source software, often times people just want to use something and not have to develop for it. for an example, i want a browser that works how i want it. now that firefail is more fail than ever, there isn't much of a choice i have.
>>51765256
the kind of linux(or unix/unix-like or some derivative of) that's going to take over completely is either embedded or some corporate variant that can be easily monetized and marketed like Android / iOS / MacOS X.
/g/ aint ready for that.
>>51764800
That image needs to be added to the 404 library
>>51763986
i find it more sad that /g/ doesnt talk or do anything about the actual problems, we just explain to each other what the problems are, also, /g/ seems oblivious to all the emerging technologies out there, and focused mainly on computers, there are so many technological developments every day but we never talk about them, im not surprised by this,i just find it sad
>>51765850
>technological developments
What's progress of graphine transistors?
>>51765850
They don't give a shit about it if it doesn't get them more pixels for their mindless moeshit consumption or frames for their shitty console ports. Nobody here actually cares about technology anymore unless it makes them look cool or has some romantic hollywood narrative to go with it like transhumanism or pop-space.
DX12 will never come to window 7
>>51765442
Palemoon, Icecat, Vivaldi, Otter-Browser...
There are lots that can just be used out of the gate or in palemoon's case, with a little bit of tweaking to get it to work right.
Personally I use palemoon for the speed and Icecat whenever I watch video (Palemoon doesn't support MSE and as such can only do 720p video).
>>51763986
Don't for get about Linux being killed by the systemd cancer, with most distro maintainers having been kucked into not minding it. This http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/08/29/1526217/systemd-absorbs-su-command-functionality?sdsrc=popbyskid is a depressing read indeed.
>>51764040
>yes they do. the only data theyll be harvesting is from normies.
But even normies used to care about obvious things like that. Just imagine the shitstorms if Windows 95 did what Windows 10 does (for simplicity just assuming that internet connectivity was widespread and ubiquitous enough at that time to make it possible).
However, temperature of the water in the bowl has been being risen slowly in a creeping process over the past two decades, and the frog who would have screamed and jumped out of the water back then is now boiling without even feeling it.
>>51764061
>us elitists
>what is systemd and why is it slowly but inevitably turning Linux into an opaque clusterfuck like modern Windows or OSX
>>51764800
Mac Pro doesn't use v3 CPUs. Also, multiple GPUs in a workstation was a dumb idea, as workstation applications only recognize and use a single GPU, and most of those applications benefit from having more threads and more RAM (64GB is pathetic for a workstation). Supposedly they're revising the MP soon, and maybe they'll fix those design mistakes. Doubtful, though.
Most other Macs are overpriced. The Mini is three times the price it should be. Any iMac that isn't a 27" Retina is horribly overpriced. The Macbook and Macbook Air are poorly specced for their price points, as is the 15" MBP with dGPU. The only decent value Mac laptop is the 13" Pro.
>>51764232
What happened to the world from 20 or 15 years ago when everyone was excited about new hardware, software, and internet services, because new stuff was actually awesome and innovative (rather than stupefying, restrictive, or downright abusive)?
>>51766194
Who cares? DX10 never came to XP, and it still has almost 20% of market share with official support discontinued over one and a half years ago.
>>51765166
>MGS2 ending AI speech becomes reality
Pls let this come close to happening maybe then we will get NANOMACHINES, SON!
No-one has actually taken anything from you.
You can still run your own servers, write your own programs, build your own communities, host your own servers.
The thing you're complaining about isn't the loss of ability, it's that the offerings of profit-focused companies are currently vastly more appealing to most people, and those companies have no interest in your view of ethics.
Computing is dirt cheap. Open source dominates enterprise. Automation is accelerating. Google has substantially weakened complete reliance on Micro$oft with Gmail, Chrome, and Drive, and most of Android is open source.
The remaining problem isn't new. Normies have always been an unorganized mob that will buy whatever polished turd is marketed to them. W/e, nbd. Corporations get rich and they stay poor.
>>51764061
>let them have their retarded data
The problem with this is, all of the retarded things that they think everyone likes become focused on, while the things that non retards use daily get dumped because their data says it doesn't get used.
I'm not arguing for data collection, but the fact is they use it to make feature and design decisions and by never allowing any data collection you are telling the developer to not care about how you use their software for future versions.
>>51763986
You can make technology that doesn't do that.
>>51767081
I don't know.
But people were excited about new stuff even 5-10 years ago.
Now there's just endless lazy shitfest.
>>51766194
>proprietary software X will never come to proprietary software Y
>>51763986
the past was bad, the present is bad and the future will be bad. just accept this and you can live a less troubled life.
>state of technology
sure, looks lik...
>listing gadgets and toys
never change /g/
>>51763986
so don't use their products, linux has great alternatives that work for the most part
>>51763986
This post. Very sad but very true. Feelsbadman.
