What's wrong with systemd?
>>51745563
what's right with systemd?
>>51745563
Botnet
>>51745563
Fragile
>>51745563
goes against unix principles, also devs are shitty.
>>51745563
The issue people have is that it is "Too Big"
I agree that it is doing too much. It is originally supposed to be an init system, but now it manages EVERYTHING from init, networking, device mounting, and some other things that i don't know of.
It is making one giant system that is so interdependant, the point of Unix being made of easily interchangable components is just out the window.
>>51745563
penises in your butthole
Nothing wrong, just autists crying
>>51745563
Pain in the ass to work with
>>51745563
Goes against the Unix philosophy.
>>51745571
This.
>>51745875
/thread
>>51746005
GNU's Not Unix.
>>51745571
900000x better than anything before it. Saying this as someone that's used GNU/Linux for over 15 years. Fuck systemd haters, they're probably all Microsoft-paid FUDster shills.
>>51746058
Go away poettering.
51746058
Thank you my friend. I will make sure the payment is deposited into your account
>>51746120
Go away, paid Microsoft shill.
Sheesh, they just flock here all at once, don't they?
>>51746144
Justify the behemoth that systemd is becoming
>>51745563
Not a whole lot. It's logs are not in plain text though, which can be a pain if you need to access them from a non-systemd OS. Other than that, it's a godsend and there is a reason why almost every major distro has either switched to it or made plans to switch to it.
>>51747806
This
>>51745583
Do you even know what a botnet is?
this thread is fine and all what with the implied shitposting but does pic in >>51745563 even work?
>>51748576
>4 NF-A14 Industrials
Do that and post results.
>>51745814
>It is originally supposed to be an init system
Wrong.
> but now it manages EVERYTHING from init
Wrong.
>device mounting
Wrong.
> other things that i don't know of.
Like everything systemd related?
>the point of Unix being made of easily interchangable components
Wrong.
Actually do some research before you go around spreading misinformation.
>>51748863
Suck my dick fuccboi
>>51748576
>>51748776
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnXlV8iLbgg
I have no fucking idea, I just recently(last year) started getting heavily back into *nix and seen a ton of anti-systemd shit but can't figure out the issue other than it's new and a bit confusing.
>>51746058
>Fuck systemd haters, they're probably all Microsoft-paid FUDster shills.
Saying shit like this makes people wonder if you've even been alive for 15 years, let alone using a computer for that amount of time.
I just took a Linux class and the professor taught us all about how linux and init work based on CentOS 6.7, doubtlessly because he hates the use of systemd on CentOS 7. Why should we be taught things the old way when all the distros are using the new way?
>>51749008
ok :D
>>51748576
35mm delta's put out some serious thrust nigga
>>51745583
So should I keep windows 10 so? I do not want to put my career in peril if linux distro are botnet too.
>>51750547
Too late world is ran on Linux
>>51745563
it's new
new = triggering
It's some bullshit daemon you never needed. And it's so all over everything now that all issues start with "Hey guys I'm running foo with bar with baz with systemd and bar is broken [..]". Never before had the init system played a role in userland applications suddenly breaking. So just use OpenRC and be happy because it has always worked just fine.
>>51751135
>init is bullshit
>>51752422
systemd is more than init, and where it's more it's bullshit.
Just a layer of shit made to make the developers seem important.
If you fail kernel development, you go develop systemd.
Introduced as a replacement for init It seems to be a good one. But it is not intended to be just that. The creators state their goal is to unify "pointless differences between distributions". That is what scares me.
All popular distributions seem to choose it now, in essence making it stronger and more difficult to step away from in the long run. It is absorbing so many key Linux parts, and because of it's adoption by the big distro's we will see software start to depend on it. The same freedom distros have, to choose for systemd, will not be the same when they don't like it anymore. Even if systemd is good at what it does, the goal of the people behind system is clear. Next tings we will see is a step away from the standards for the directory layout, and after that package management will become the same on all system linuxes...
Systemd feels to me like a democratic chosen dictator that doesn't want to go away.
>>51745563
It's everything except an init system. So I could say everything is wrong,
>>51745970
Why would you need to work with it?
>>51745563
Pain in the ass to work with
Pointless compared to traditional init if u know what you're doing
Things like wayland REQUIRE systemdick now
Things like busybox WON'T WORK AT ALL in systemd
>>51745806>>51746005
what's unix principles anyway? why is it wrong if something goes against it?
>>51750212
CentOS 6 is still commonly used on servers, with lots of stuff being written/configured specifically for it. It's supported until 2020.
>just use my computer as a tool for writing dank code
>still haven't noticed systemd exists
>>51753437
Fingers crossed they force everyone to use Nix.
>>51745563
nothing really
the old fashioned sysv init system isn't much better
>>51745806
>unix principles
hahahahaha
>>51745563
http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd
http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/
How do we remove it?
>>51745563
Nothing. A meme.
>>51754359
Get a life. Systemd is invisible if you're doing anything worthwhile.
>>51754226
>I have no clue what modularity is
is it like a registry?
>>51754532
It's more like a bootloader, but within Linux and instead of loading I/O like the BIOS, it loads OS services, etc.
It's better than init, but because Gentoo uses init, all the autists claim that systemd is bad.
It's terrible software written by terrible people.
