Is this true /g/? I'm majoring is Philosophy right now and I don't wan to change my major into something even more useless.
Basically, yeah. But it's a good degree for tradesmen
The STEM job market is in the shitter right now.
If you want money study a trade. Electricians and carpenters make bank.
not true
if you want to code, you can cpy paste libraries or functions from other programers, so it can be really easy to set up a site or a server or a simple commom program.
but computer science is not learning to code.
like mathematics, a lot of what you learn has no pratical aplication, but has a lot of theorical importance to the field studies.
if you want to learn about computing in general, computer science is for you,
but if you want to learn how to code and how to use the today's technologies you dont need a superior degree, just go to code academy and start learning, its not that hard.
Put it this way. Are you good at your studies, enjoy what you do, and network with professionals (eg. internships, jobs, research)? If so, then you won't have to worry at all.
Most of the people that worry about getting a job are the ones who are mediocre and only went into the subject because of money.
>>51720994
>I don't wan to change my major into something even more useless
Usefulness doesn't correlate with whether a field is considered "smart" or not, anon.
For example, driving a truck is useful as fuck, but you don't exactly need a degree in physics to know how to operate it. On the flip side, being a string theorist, is intellectual challenging as fuck, but it's not particularly useful in the sense that you're making minuscule contributions to an extremely narrow field of science.
Also
CS != a degree in programming
>>51720994
I'm not arguing that those other things are potentially more difficult to learn, but people do what they want to do and not only because of the money they might make.
Otherwise everyone would at least be trying to go for the top paying careers and failed before realizing they are too stupid and switching to something more appropriate for their intelligence.
>>51721358
Found the cs major
>>51721379
>Otherwise everyone would at least be trying to go for the top paying careers and failed before realizing they are too stupid and switching to something more appropriate for their intelligence.
that's what everyone does senpai
>>51721315
BS. The only people making a decent salary have degrees in sociology/women's studies.
If I wanted to do assembly related stuff someday, what branch of engineering would that be?
okay, first of all, what branch of STEM has the most girls or cute boys
>>51720994
Kinda true. I dropped out of med school not because I was stupid but because I'm a lazy sack of shit.
Computer science I can manage with minimal amount of personnal effort.
>>51721802
>>51721821
>you can never be smart but unmotivated to try harder
I want this meme to die
give me a course thats not computer science that will teach me about data and information
>>51720994
>I'm majoring is Philosophy right now and I don't wan to change my major into something even more useless.
You don't really get more useless than Philosophy anon
>>51721856
Accounting
>>51721834
If you're smart and lazy you're stupid.
>>51720994
Not in my country, the entry requirements for university are generally the same.
>>51721856
statistics, sort of.
im in compsci and just took a data mining class. if i were to go back for a second degree or something id get it in statistics cause theres a lot of overlap in data science and statistics.
>>51721821
Not that guy but I switched from Elec Eng. to CS because I just didn't like it and the difficulty drop was meme worthy.
For advanced database systems (I'm in year 3) I showed up for the mid term exam and 4 out of 13 lab sessions for skills tests. And maybe half the lectures. I'm sitting at 88% before the final exam which means I passed it already. In Eng. I went to every single class and lab and I still barely got a passing grade.
At a good university you will learn mostly math and fundamentals. At bad schools you will be taught how to be a code monkey.
>>51721896
>You don't really get more useless than Philosophy anon
>implying African basket weaving and gender fluid dynamics aren't the most useless
Philosophy is at least decent on a personal level if you ignore the postmodern bullshit.
BIll Gates and Mark Zuckerberg are worth $130+ Billion combined
both were comp sci majors at harvard
philosophy is great and pairs well with sociology and psychology but the problem is that 2 of the 3 i mentioned are a joke when it comes to the labor market and psychology has very little growth in most places so if you dont already have a job you probably wont
anything would be more useful than philisophy. electrical engineering would be more useful and there is no room for growth in stem. that meme died like 3 years ago
>>51721969
Both dropped out, and Gates did more math courses than CS courses.
>>51721969
and combining the values of microsoft ($433bill) + facebook (valued at $295bill), you reach $0.7 trillion, all the result of 2 computer science majors
>>51721969
And both dropped out once they realized it's pretty much worthless.
How can a technology degree remain so worthless in 40 fucking years?
>>51720994
>>51721999
>Both dropped out, and Gates did
how is it relevant that they dropped out? Mark was a sophomore when he dropped out, and who cares what clases gates took, they were both clearly on the path to success and chose comp sci as their majors to strengthen their knowledge in changing the world.
>>51721413
Not that guy, but he's pretty much spot on. Comp. Eng. major if you were wondering.
>>51722010
they didnt drop out cuz its worthless, they dropped out because as visionaries, they saw that their companies needed their fulltime attention to fully grow.
>>51722028
And dropped out once they realized the degree was meaningless.
>>51721964
Well as long as you don't end up like liberals these days complaining about not being able to find well paying job even though they have a degree - when it's in a completely useless field
>>51722052
>>51722052
it was meaningless because they had a multi-billion dollar company in the palms of their hands. how many college students have that opportunity dipshit?
>>51722052
Uh, no. They dropped out because they had already started their respective companies and wanted to focus 100% on that.
>>51722010
>Gates dropped out to start a company because he believed that if he waited until graduation the computer industry would have gotten so big that he wouldn't be able to break in anymore
>Zuckerberg also dropped out to start his own company and simply didn't have enough time to complete his studies at the same time as running his company
In short: Both dropped out to found companies based on what they had learned. Thus you've got to be completely retarded and/or clueless to believe that what they learned was useless.
>>51722065
Thing about philosophy is, philosophy study is a good way to sharpen your mind for most other subjects. The bad thing about it is alone it is absolutely useless.
It's like a passive buff in an RPG, you're a bit more well off with it adding some stats to your damage, but your damage would have been pretty good anyway without it. With it alone you're not accomplishing fucking anything. That's more what I mean. Philosophy major/degree is useless, philosophy study on the side is actually useful to a person. It's just some areas of philosophy like postmodernism are absolutely useless cancerous bullshit that will not help you in any way shape or form.
>>51720994
Wow! This is some good bait!
> I have a double major in Mathematics AND Computer Science
>>51721911
Nice Meme
>>51721358
If you can't solve simple problems without copying and pasting code from other programmers, you will never get a decent job. Interview questions are designed to weed out people who can't solve their own problems, but they still fail at that unfortunately because a bunch of Indians are just reading "coding interview questions" books and memorizing the answers. It's a shame, because any serious dev work requires figuring out stuff that you can't just look up the answer for on Stackoverflow
>>51720994
If I'm too stupid for math, how come I'm able to dual major in math and CS?
>>51722453
>>51722402
Because CS is easy peasy obviously, so easy that you can do a real degree and still double major in it.
Also
>double major
>implying it's actually double
kekest of keks
>>51721821
fucking this, if you drop out of school you should fucking hang yourself for being a waste of genetics. You don't deserve a 2nd chance.
>>51721802
Fucking kill yourself. You're fucking retarded and will never succeed at life. I hope you get AIDS and die.
I majored in philosophy and I'm working as a software developer now.
Only one guy in our department was a CS major (from a third world university) and he's the worst programmer you've ever seen. The most talented guy is actually an English major. The second most talented guy was an Econ major. I'd consider myself average desu.
Major in something that will teach you to learn instead of paying to have facts shoved into your head. You'll have all the time in the world to learn more once you graduate, but you can never replicate the intellectual stimulation of a true liberal arts education.
>>51721946
The trick to engineering is destroying your social life so you can study more.
That's the point. So you can socialize with better people after college. How the fuck does nobody get this?
>>51721821
>Expressing yourself through meme comics
Well, I know who's not smart. :^)
>>51721969
>>51721974
>>51721999
>>51722003
>>51722010
>>51722028
>>51722050
SUPPORTERS OF THE BOTNET
DO NOT HEED
>>51722561
fuck off and die, if you have trouble with school, it means you're stupid and should kill yourself to save the gene pool. You only deserve 1 chance in life, if you fail school once, you don't deserve to try again.
>>51722479
This. That drop out Bill Gates is probably selling meth on the streets nowadays.
>>51722540
dude have you met chad? guy's a legend
>>51722612
Bill Gates was a fucking faggot. Anyone who drops out of school is a failure and should fucking die already.
>>51722637
Don't you OK me faggot in a sarcastic way. It's the fucking truth. If you drop out of school, you're a failure and deserve to fail in life. like this comic said >>51721821 only a idiot would think they can be smart if they're a failure or lazy.
>>51722613
>implying
Being a social cripple isn't actually beneficial in a professional environment.
The reason we have so many angry neckbeards on /g/ is that they expected to be handed a job in tech because of a movie stereotype. It's the career equivalent of thinking that the pretty girl will fall for you if you are a "nice guy" (i.e. passive aggressive and weird).
>>51722690
Let me guess, you failed college and now think you failed not because you're a retarded waste of space, but lazy yet still special?
>>51721802
You're stupid
>>51721834
You're stupid
>>51722763
You're very angry in the internet
Something is out of balance in your life
Probably sexual or family related desu senpai
Also you're probably stupid
>>51722802
You're a waste of genetics who thinks you can be lazy yet stupid. So yeah, you're the stupid one.
>>51722828
*lazy and not stupid
>>51722802
your stupid
>>51722828
>posts gibberish because he's mad
You're stupid
>>51722854
you're so fucking stupid you can't even read. so sad. If you fail at anything, it means you're stupid.
>>51722869
>lazy yet stupid
>>51722890
I originally meant to say lazy and not stupid. We all make mistakes.
>>51720994
Computer Science *is* mathematics, definitely more than engineering.
>>51722954
Only at good unis
>>51722925
you just can't admit you're a pathetic failure. Big universities don't accept failures, you'll never make it into a big name university if you failed anything once.
>>51721413
Not the same guy, but also a cs major. He's spot on.
>>51722994
>cs major
you're almost as pathetic as a dropout.
ITT: Samefagging general
>>51722982
>the size of the university is a measure of its selectivity
Big Sports State frat boy detected
>>51722982
You amd bro? :^)
>>51722982
>not realizing he's on an anonymous image board and arguing with at least two people
Are you a woman? That would explain the irrationality and stupidity
>>51722582
Thanks, I will now remember to not kill myself if I fail anything, just to keep faggots like you annoyed. :^)
>>51720994
What about Information Systems
>>51723013
Only 5 unis matter, the rest are completely worthless and belong in the trash.
>>51723033
>woman
actually women have a lower IQ standard deviation (and same mean) thus while there are pretty much no women who have contributed to science there's a lot fewer actually retarded women than men too
>>51723052
At my uni they are pretty much retarded. It's some kind of IT management degree. They take the same intro programming course as the CS majors but they seem to struggle with simple for loops and shit.
>>51723054
Caltech?
MIT?
Berkeley?
Carnegie Mellon?
Harvard?
Cornell?
Stanford?
UT Austin?
Purdue?
Oxford?
Cambridge?
Yale?
I think I counted more than 5, and I can even name more, friendo :^)
>>51722802
Probably some edgy 14 year-old who just got neglected by his first crush or something desu senpai
>>51723103
fine, only a small handful of unis matter. The point is, any uni that isn't a big name university is completely worthless, they're equal to a community college.
>>51720994
EVERY FUCKING MAJOR IS WORTHLESS IF YOU DON'T OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND TALK TO PEOPLE.
>>51723147
Why exactly are other schools worthless compared to the small handful? What can't they teach that the select few schools can?
(Comp sci and engineering major at a state school here)
>>51723248
But they don't talk to me...
>>51721358
Porque no las dos?
>>51723256
>state school
literally toilet paper, what shit school did you go to?
>>51720994
> Is this true /g/?
Yep.
>I'm majoring is Philosophy
There's nothing about a philosophy being a real science. Today it's even more useless than... Well, everything. I don't pay to philosophers because they don't solve my problems.
>I'm majoring is Philosophy
>Philosophy
>>51723289
currently at university of connecticut
fuckin fight me about it
>>51723345
kek, fucking Connecticut doesn't matter and isn't relevant, let alone the fucking university.
>>51723390
Can you say anything else other than OK?
>>51723414
But "no" is something else
>>51723289
What about UMich or Berkeley?
>>51723363
>isn't relevant
What does that have to do with education?
>>51723469
Nobody is going to hire you if you go to some unimportant state school. MIT, Harvard, etc are the only ones that actually matter. The guys from that school will laugh at you for going to some faggot loser school.
>>51721315
There are plenty of STEM jobs out there, you just have to not be shit because there is competiton.
I just got a new job as a mechanical engineer, with better benefits and pay compared to my last engineering job.
>>51723500
God's own programmer went to a state school you dumb shit
Idk why everyone think you can't make any money with a CS degree. I know at least 5 alumni of my fraternity who were CS majors and are now making $70k a year minimum. As long as you have decent social skills and can make connections, you'll get hired straight out of college no problem. Hell, I'm a freshman CS major, and I already have an internship lined up for next year because of my connections in TKE
>>51723500
Apparently you're overestimating the number of CS graduates from those few schools and underestimating the number of jobs available.
>>51723052
It's fun shit if you specialize in Networking, but it's got more of a management side to it. It's still STEM but I'm not about to pretend it's harder than shit like Chemistry and Physics. Beats the ever living shit out of being a code monkey though.
>>51721358
is it you?
>>51723500
Your degree is worthless once you get actual work experience. You don't need an elite school to get hired and get work experience.
>>51721896
>what is anthropology
>>51723641
Actually I have the complete opposite experience.
I worked full-time as a C++ developer while doing my master's. When I completed my master's, I also wanted to do something else. I interviewed at a company where the CTO was extremely condescending towards me and basically told me that my "so-called work experience" was worth shit because all that mattered was what time I completed my master's.
>>51723656
A buddy of mine got a degree in anthropology, and was invited to several archeological digs around the world to work. If that kind of thing interests you it can be alright.
Though he didn't use it, and now is an engineer for the railroad making good money.
>>51723717
https://youtu.be/G3u6RfOufJQ
Equally useless
>>51723510
What do you do specifically at this job? Mechanical Engineering is a broad field.
>>51723717
>digging things up
>not digging up dinosaurs
why even bother?
>>51723717
>engineer for the railroad
Not sure about your buddy, but I'm Norwegian and here it's pretty common for construction engineering companies to consult archeologists consultants when inspecting/planning the construction because every time a road is to be expanded or a new bridge is to be built, they in 6/10 times stumble over some ancient viking grave or village or some shit like that.
>>51722847
You're *
Fixed for you senpai
>>51724029
you'r *
>>51723052
IT & IS student here. it's a blast, fäm
I went to Columbus State University in the state of Georgia, nearly fully paid for by the HOPE Scholarship.
I got a B.S. in Computer Science with minimal effort (aside from group projects, for which I had to do must of the work - burden of the competent and all). Computer Science isn't the kind of degree you get hoping it'll teach you to do the job - you should ideally know more programming going into school than you'll actually learn from the cirriculum.
In CS (and many other degrees, I suspect), getting the degree isn't for learning to do a job, it's to show prospective employers you can start something long-term and finish it. Additionally, dealing with the mouth-breathing staff at colleges will teach you to manipulate your way around incompetent bureaucracy, which translates well into a corporate environment.
It won't make you rich, but you'll do better than most if you work hard and are halfway competent at office politics. I'm 30 and pull in $100k yearly, which isn't Wall Street money, but it's enough to pay my mortgage, my wife's tuition, and buy whatever the hell else I want, clothes/electronics wise.
>>51724334
>my wife's tution
C U C K
U
C
K
>engineering
>science
>>51720994
Don't. That last thing I want is more competition.
>>51724334
the job is also really minimal stress-wise
i cant think of another profession that pays this much (or more) that isnt so fucking stressful.
released software to production with a bug in it? no biggie, just patch it up. is the bug really really bad? no worries, tell the IT/sysadmin guy to change ports or someshit on our server.
>>51722973
That's where this meme came from though, people go to shit unis and are surprised that the CS course is a Java course, rather than a CS course.
> tfw I could've done Music...
>>51721765
Chemistry or Biology, but they also have very competitive.
>>51724447
Nah, I'm actually the guy women would invite over when their husbands were deployed, or to whose house their wives would go for "Girls Night Out" while their guild tried to run Karazhan.
Whatever you need to tell yourself, though. Just trying to offer the kid useful advice as opposed to the usual ramblings of unemployable NEETs.
>>51720994
no, it's not.
shit's cash
>>51721911
Everyone on reddit says to take computer science but I'm just too lazy to get into that!
>>51723882
I do a lot of 3d modeling of parts to be used for machining. Most of my time is spent creating and updating 3d models, and optimizing designs of the stuff my company builds.
I also generate gcode, do 3d printer operation, consulting, and meeting with potential clients.
>>51723281
well, you gonna make them talk
>>51722663
>having something and using something are the exact same thing!
Just get a degree in both statistics and computer science.
>>51723289
Detroit desu.
>>51722214
I remember my first semester cs professor was talking to us about what a cs degree is and employment compared to other fields he told us you go into philosophy to teach it not to find work with it alone.
>>51723005
Sounds like you're projecting.
I don't have a CS degree, yet I make more than most of you here while living in a third world country. My client beg me to implement stuff.
>>51721358
this to be honest family
>>51723005
someone sounds bitter
>>51720994
It's not true. Comp Sci/Machine Learning are at the frontier of machine intelligence. Example: https://github.com/abhshkdz/neural-vqa
People are just envious of CS scale, problems and salaries.
If you want to get into anything computer related, do it yourself. Knowledge is free.
It's simple as that. Education is a piece of paper that says you tried and succeeded at something in your life.
If anything, major in business and enjoy the easy ride through the sea of shit they'll teach you that you'd otherwise learn through expensive trial and error.
It's the only thing that'll save you money in the long term. Learning about computers is cheap, because the cost of fucking up is having to spend a few hours undoing your mistakes.
Fucking up your S-Corporation tax filings because you're not versed in the 10k pages of tax law is expensive.
>>51726482
oh man you sure showed us!!!
Yep. Fortunately people are stupid enough to pay us $SEARCH_ENGINE experts insane amounts of money for doing and knowing next to nothing.
It's fucking hilarous.
>>51720994
nigga i'm taking a CE major and the only thing I don't have As in are the CS classes
>3rd year CS major
>haven't really learned anything except logic and computational theory; any class that isn't theory based including so called 'hard' classes like assembly, operating systems and compiler are piss easy
>wish I took more art classes
>having doubts on whether EE would have been better
>having doubts that maybe I could have went to trade school for carpentry and did computing, electrical and art on the sides. Plus I'd be done by now
Its extremely depressing. This the curriculum is easy, and the end result doesn't seem like its worth it
CS represent, work side by side with engineers to provide them with what they need and maintain the PLM application the company uses.
Fun and great paying job, you get to learn about engineering and robotics. Not easy to get into though, I was an intern and they liked my performance, I'm literally surrounded by people with master's/doctorates and cum laude people and people with at least 15 years of experience in the field while I'm a fresh grad.
>>51720994
>I'm majoring is Philosophy right now and I don't wan to change my major into something even more useless.
>something even more useless
And would that be?
Black History?
Women's Studies?
tfw computer science is the only important field
feels good man
>>51720994
No, I majored in CS and I"m graduating with a 100k job.
engineering is for people too stupid for math
do not equate it to being the same level
>be me
>senior in high school
>top 10% of my class
>math/science wiz
>thinking about pursuing some kind of STEM degree at a "good" school
>depression hits halfway through the school year
>I barely graduate, GPA drops 2 whole points
>get fired from my job
>work the occasional odd job while attending the local community college
>flunk an easy history class, drop out of calc 3
>leave school altogether as will to live dwindles
>try counseling, pills, even shock therapy
>4 years later, more depressed than ever w/ probable brain damage
>realize time is running out
>try to get an education again
>decide on 2-year programming degree
>my math level is already higher than what is required
>still, a glimmer of hope on the horizon
>mfw this thread
Fuck you guys.
>>51720994
Carryover is good - you'll make use of propositional logic and Bayesian probability. If you're into math at all, you can go far with algorithms and theory stuff. Read a few books and see how it fits.
I'd recommend Code by Charles Petzold and the obligatory Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter. You can also get started with rudimentary coding easily at codeacademy.
>>51730240
>fails easy classes
>can't hold a job
>grades are shit
>only accomplishment is being academically better than nine out of tens of the retards that pollute high schools for half a year
You sound like an idiot.
>>51730327
You must be one of those people who thinks that clinical depression is a meme disorder.
>>51724334
In Georgia..... majored in CS.... didn't go to Georgia Tech.....
top kek. do you hate yourself?
>>51730362
You must be one of those fags who blames all his personal failures on a disease that's literally just "I'm really sad" and hides behind the social norm of "it's a real disease mom I promise" so you don't ever have to own up to anything.
Im doing CS with the Open Uni (UK home uni).
Is it normal for the first year to be highschool maths, scratch programming and the history of computers?
Second year is:
>algorithms, data structures and computability
>Java
then a choice between:
>a CCNA
>all round ICT
>java software development and web technologies
Third year is just an IT project and a follow on from what I pick in second year. This doesn't seem to be enough to land me a job, so what certs should I pad this out with?
>>51728827
But if you get a Ph.D in critical whiteness studies and then go for a Ph. D in educational studies you can write important research like this.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/childrens-media-use-cuddly-animals-to-reinforce-racist-and-socially-dominant-norms-researcher-says
>>51730240
This is /g/ you faggot, a vast percentage of users are NEET dropouts with little math skill. You'll do fine pursuing programming.
>>51725704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW2bjgGQVngbe honest, is this your life?\
>>51730431
I think there's a difference between being depressed and being sad. Life was awesome for me; I had no logical reason to be sad or unmotivated. I don't know how else to explain the sudden change. That said, I blame myself for a lot of what has happened to me.
>>51730463
Maybe, but according to /g/, it's not something worth pursuing, even at a top-notch university. If you're taking programming at a community college--like I am--you might as well end yourself.
>>51730610
The people who say it's not worth persuing are /sci/tards who think they're smart and every field but math is retarded
>>51721821
>be me
>/smart/
>smart enough to realize nothing matters and I dont much to live, and definitely dont need to impress some shitposter on the 4chan
>>51723047
kek this
>>51730418
Fuck of Rajish you ateeet shitter
as a CS graduate I can confirm this is true
>>51721946
>In Eng. I went to every single class and lab and I still barely got a passing grade
Well that means you're dumb.
Also yeah CS courses are watered down IT stuff. He's right saying CS is meme-worthy.
>>51730945
>CS courses are watered down IT stuff.
What CS course did you take that gave you this opinion? I'm genuinely curious.
Talking shit
>>>/sci/7704972
this entire thread is bait and trolling.
fuck off retards.
>>51723281
I have ways of making boys like you talk
>>51720994
At my uni, a computer science degree is like 3 math classes away from a math degree. For comp science a student needs calc 3, discrete, and some other higher level math courses. This means most students minor in math, and some just stay an extra semester for a double major.
>not majoring in gender fluid dynamics
baka desu senpai
>>51720994
They're right. Fortunately, there's major recession in the CS field and programmers are increasingly low paid and overworked because of how many incompetents there are. Tech Bubble!
>>51724749
>I'm actually the guy women would invite over when their husbands were deployed
A wild snake has been spotted.
>>51720994
>Philosophy major
You are safe, you can't pick anything more useless.
