Is there any real reason to not go Liquid cooling now?
Size is no longer an issue thanks to the Corsair Hydro Series™ H5 SF Low-Profile Liquid CPU Cooler
No.
>>51717954
you're asking the wrong question.
is there any reason to switch from air to liquid?
>>51717962
- smaller size
- quieter
- superior cooling
Is there any reason to waste money on an air cooler ?
>>51717962
Depends on the form-factor of the PC and what exactly you'll be cooling.
A Noctua D15 is beefy enough to cool a 5960X OC'ed to around 4.3Ghz, while an H110i GT might get you to 4.4/4.5 - albeit at triple the noise levels and around $40 more. So as long as you're fine with a standard ATX tower PC air cooling is enough for any task.
If you're going to be cramming things in, either into an ITX case or want 3~4 GPUs, then watercooling starts to make sense as it's more efficient whenever you have restricted airflow.
Watercooling also makes more sense on GPUs as the difference is like 20°c vs air, compared to maybe 5°c on CPU.
>>51717992
>- smaller size
It's just spread out more instead of being bunched up in the middle of your case. A 280 rad is way bigger than a Noctua.
>- quieter
Pump whine is never quieter than ambient noise levels, while many fans are. Additionally, rads require pressure optimized fans that get very loud very fast as you ramp up speeds.
>- superior cooling
At pump/fan speeds that'll make you want to sudoku yourself. If you level out noise levels, the performance is merely comparable.
Now some cons:
- more expensive than similarly capable coolers
- if pump fails there is zero passive cooling capacity
- might leak
- an extra part that'll break over time (pump)
If you really want performance that exceeds air cooling just go straight for custom and ignore AIOs altogether.
>>51717992
>quieter
>superior cooling
>>51717954
next generation of consoles (microsoft and sony small form factor PCs) are gonna be using a simplified version of this
>>51718231
Sony jewed over 10$ in the later revisions of the ps3, going for a top loading optical drive in place of the superior slot loading drive. And you're expecting water cooling. Topkek to say the least.
>>51718211
>>51718194
oh look the idiot poorfags are out
>Closed loop liquid cooler
People are just that retarded I guess
no one even picks up on the marketing meme
never change /g/
>>51718211
>>51718194
>Muh noctua
Air cooling is fine for a cheap alternative. Closed loops are very good right now so I don't see the point in not getting one if that's the price range you're in.
>watercooling
>>51717954
>Corsair Hydro Series™ H5 SF Low-Profile Liquid CPU Cooler
hello corsair shill
Who gives a fuck about CPU cooling you nigger, I only care about my GPUs
>>51717954
>™
Fuck, it's true. I had been jokingly denying it for years but it's true, it actually happens.
SHILL
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>>51717954
Linus?
>>51718821
>puts fans against wall
>>51717954
yea i dont need it
>>51719130
Doesn't matter since it's high pressure
Recently switched from a CM 212 EVO air cooler to a CM Nepton 240m clc. The thing cools wonderfully and the silencio fans it comes with are amazing, The only problem is the pump, every 20 seconds it'll make these ticking noises for about 10 seconds and stop. If I'm wearing a headset I can't hear it, and it gets drowned out by my aggressive GPU fan curve on AAA games.
I'm going to have to say air cooling is quieter at least as far as consistency goes.
>>51719359
>>51717954
good luck using a GPU with that thing on top.
>>51719675
Just cut a little of the tubing off and wrap it up with electrical tape instead.
>>51717954
Nice marketing bro! :^)
I'll buy 27 Corsair Hydro Series™ H5 SF Low-Profile Liquid CPU Coolers!
I'm honestly kind of shocked that liquid cooling is still a thing
I remember the 1990s when manufacturers were shit at processor binning and overclocking was a legit thing, but seriously why does anyone even bother with it now?
Anyone with a watercooling "rig" have a straight answer for me that doesn't amount to "I have a lot of spare time and it makes me feel smart"?
>>51717954
That's the thing Corsair is gonna put on the bulldog right?
>>51718090
Water cooling is definitely better if you have multi GPUs.
>>51722383
The thing is good clc's are only about $20 more than large air tower coolers and usually cool slightly better.
>>51722596
yeah, i'm reading stuff about water cooling GPUs and I've never seen so much autism in any other topic
>>51717954
What i like the most of the new corsair cooler is that it would allow to make even more smaller pcs.
Put that thing on a mitx board with an m.2 slot and a tiny gpu and you would only need more space for a PSU and maybe one/two case fans. Voilà, u can have a very powerful and small as fuck build.
>>51722383
It's fun.
>>51717992
>>51718194
literally can't hear my computer
http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1449437354113.webm
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>>51722614
>usually cool slightly better.
nope
>>51722596
GPU's are the only thing that makes sense honestly.
Useless for CPU's since there is room for a heatsink
Kind of afraid of using my pic related with my 6700k with all the ruckus about bending.
Planning to do a custom loop in the future but totally broke now.
doushio
The thing about watercooling is that the placement of a radiator makes it possible for fans to directly remove the heat outside the case. Air coolers, particularly for GPUs the blow the air around the case, can in some cases increase the average temperature inside the case. That'll make the intake air temperature for your CPU warmer, meaning the effectiveness of your cooler will be reduced.
It honestly only makes a ton of sense for graphics cards, considering they're cramped and they don't have a good size exhaust to directly remove all the heat they generate (and they generate a lot more heat than a CPU).
Yet, we have way more watercooling kits for CPUs than GPUs.
I'm waiting for the day when we can get 240mm/280mm CLC kits for videocards. That'll make it worth it to actually invest in one.
>>51723017
wew kill yourself
>>51723017
literally kill yourself metalfag
>>51718559
and yet all those AIO / custom loops cost FAR more than a D14 or D15 and either match it, or are 2 - 6 degrees better.
let alone, from personal experience of owning both a h100 and a h110, the corsair fans are loud even in quiet mode when under load. while the d14 is quiet.
AIO are only worth it for small cases and custom loops are only worth it for large cases and needing massive cooling.
air is the best price + performance ratio out there and unless you are trying to reach near limit overclocks, water isn't worth it.
note, i am one who has a custom loop currently and don't recommend it to people unless they're the type trying to hit 5ghz+ stable on a 2500k and so on.
but someone who just wants that extra 400 - 600mhz overclock? d14 or d15 any day.
>>51717954
size is still an issue. if they can make that fit in a 1U space, then i'd go for it.
also, look up Coolchip kinetic cooling. it's really neat but taking a while to come to market. i hope it's not dead.
>>51723758
noctua came out stating their cooler attachments are skylake approved. the spring mechanism they use prevent overnighting and allow the cooler to flex and move a bit for transit.
unless you plan on dropping your case from 5 feet or plan on swinging it around all over the place no issues.
Why does everyone care so much about loudness? Do you guys not game with headphones on?
most AIO coolers like corsair h60 cool worse than a 212 evo in most cases.
http://www.legitreviews.com/corsair-hydro-h60-cpu-water-cooler-review_1581/5
pic related, a AC freezer 13 pro is better than the 120 AIO cooler.
>>51724109
>i7-930
Cool story bro, why don't you give us some more benchmarks from 5+ years ago
>>51717954
using a 4 year old corsair closed loop cooler. not bad.
>>51723853
>and they generate a lot more heat than a CPU
That depends on the kind of work you your cpu for, but pretty sure the logic behind gpu CLC not being a thing is "gpu stock coolers are good enought, cpu stock coolers are utter shit"
They need to find a demographic for it, the average guy won't see a reason to replace, and the enthusiast will rater go for a custom loop.
>>51724070
Ohh that's reassuring, thanks a lot, guess it's time to let my 2600k rip then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbpb23yTK8
Liquid cooling can get you before 0C
>>51724173
>thinks cpu generation matters
>ignores things like tdp
>ignores the fact that the 930 is a house fire 130watt beast
>ignores the fact that latest gen haswell -e is a 140 watt tdp beast
>ignores the fact that cooling performance is universal.
>ignoring the fact that if it can cool a 130 watt beast its a POS since most overclocks can easily cause a 2500k or a 6700k into the 100 watt zone
>ignores the fact that even at stock clocks certain loads can cause a 4790k for example to shoot into the 120 watt zone just with all 8 threads maxed out running avx2
>still want's to ignore the fact that a POS $30 heatsink + fan out performs shittastic 120mm rads that cost $70+
>>51718194
>sudoku yourself
Fucking god kid
a POS 212 evo that costs $30 cools as well or better than a $70 120mm AIO.
>>51725006
>than a $70 POS AIO from a company that can't do them good at all.
>>51717954
There is absolutely no way that could be better than the stock cooler
>>51725019
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Cases-and-Cooling/Cooler-Master-Seidon-120V-Liquid-CPU-Cooler-Review/Test-Setup-and-Temperat
http://www.legitreviews.com/noctua-nh-d15-air-cpu-cooler-review_169205/5
you also forget cooler master, like corsair, doesn't actually build nor design their own. cooler master is made by swifttech and corsair uses either coolbit or asetek.
>>51725067
this
nothing compares to the cost + performance of heatsink + fans.
AIO are either to expensive and / or loud compared to the performance boost over heatsink + fan or are louder than heatsink + fan for the same or worse performance.
AIO have their place, but thats it, a place. They're no replacement for heatsink + fans in all arenas. It all depends on budget, case, and level of analness.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Noctua/NH-D15/6.html
>>51725067
>any cpu
>100C
>The Noctua NH-D15 is truly outstanding. It rises above all competitors and takes the air-cooling crown while giving even loud AIO liquid coolers a run for their money. Simply put, Noctua's new flagship cooler offers class-leading cooling performance. Not only that, it does so while being very quiet.
>>51725178
>any cpu?
>posted from link that was posted where the pic related came from
>The Test System
>Before we take a look at the performance numbers, let’s take a brief look at the test system that was used. All testing was done using a fresh install of Windows 7 Professional 64-bit and benchmarks were completed on the desktop with no other software programs running.
>Intel Core i7 4770k Quad-Core Haswell CPU
>Noctua NH-D15 CPU Cooler
>32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 1866MHz Memory
>GIGABYTE Z87X-UD4H Motherboard
>EVGA GTX 570 Classified Video Card
>2x 120GB Samsung 840 Pro SATA III 6Gb/s SSD’s in RAID 0
>Seasonic SS-760XP2 80 Plus Platinum Power Supply
>Windows 7 Professional Operating System
>Fractal Design Define XL R2 Chassis
>>51718559
something to note here is the $45 thermalright ts140 shitting all over literally everything (even water coolers) besides the NH-D15 while costing half the price or less, and being equal to the quietest solution on that list.
based thermalright.
>>51725206
even when you look at the other heatsinks and fans from those benchmarks it really shows just how close heatsink + fans come close to matching more expensive AIO coolers.
the dark rock pro 3 is around $70 and is only 2c difference between it and the corsair h110 which costs $110+. the corsair h105 was the champ but that was also because it was in "performance" mode meaning the fans where jet engine sound levels. 2700rpm fans are insanely loud.
>>51718559
>>51725279
>and yet all those AIO / custom loops cost FAR more than a D14 or D15 and either match it, or are 2 - 6 degrees better.
and then there's this faggot who completely misses the ts140 on the list taking a gigantic shit on everyone and when it comes to price/performance and pimps daddy noctua instead.
>>51725228
How did that not shut down when hitting past 90C
>>51725339
they probably disabled the thermal shutdown in bios.
>>51725400
For what purpose
>>51725400
>>51725339
Shutdown isn't till 105C and it'll throttle first
>>51725067
>cooler master is made by swifttech
Or Asetek who are being massive faggots right now.
>>51725067
>tfw have a nepton 240m
Aside from the noisy pump its a great aio.
>>51726216
Can you still buy a Nepton over in North America? CM got slapped with a C&D by Asetek over some of their AIOs.
i like my corsair watercooler h110i gtx
it is easy to install, I don't need to worry about the noctua crushing my skylake, pretty cool over all for $120 at best buy.
great thing is best buy has them so you don't need to wait for shipping.
>>51722383
I overclocked my cpu and now my photo rendering times are about 10% faster.
I'd call that a legitimate reason.
>>51726243
Oh shit I had no idea, I actually bought it slightly over a month ago. It appears you can't anymore, for what its worth the P95 temps on my 6700k max at about 68c not the 63c like that chart.
>>51726545
Chart results are subjective, there are many factors including ambient room temperature and setup.
>It appears you can't anymore
CM lose the case, and now Asetek is trying to stop the Fury X and one of the 980 Tis from being sold in NA over the same bullshit.
Whoever thinks of buying anything Asetek ever do yourself a favour and think twice.
>>51717954
Well, there are a few problems with it, most notably
>It's Corsair so it's expensive
>It's Corsair so it's loud
>It's Corsair so it won't perform well in quiet mode
>It's Corsair
I think the last point is pretty damning regardless of how many trademark symbols you use.
>>51726807
Aren't Corsairs pretty much meme-tier at this point?
>tfw almost fell for the meme then use not a single Corsair part after lurking
Yes, it's called not needing a fucking system that overheats to fuck.
We should be going to total passive cooling low-power systems, not the goddamn other way. You kids don't need your fucking LOLGRAFIX garbage games or Gentoo systems that compile LibreOffice in 2 seconds.
>>51726865
>Aren't Corsairs pretty much meme-tier at this point?
Corsair have always been style over substance and /g/ has been screaming over how bad their stuff is since I started lurking in 2011 amd probably well before that too.
Their only "good" products are their budget PSUs but even then you need to compare prices rigorously because $/€/£5 in the difference and they're not worth it over the competition. Their high end designs are thoroughly mediocre and should be avoided if you have other alternatives.
>H60 coolin my 8350
>completely silent most of the time
>implying /g/ knows shit besides their anecdotal evidence.
>>51726926
>This does not fit my use case therefore nobody should use it
This is not the way the world works but if you're really into that sort of thing then go buy a NUC or a laptop board on eBay and shove it into a case.
>>51727014
The irony here being that there have been tons of charts posted to back up the claim that Corsair CLCs in particular are loud and you're the one posting anecdotal evidence.
>>51727016
>use case
Autistic way to say "BAWWW I NEED MY OVERHEATING PILE OF SHIT BECAUSE I LOVE SHIT GAMES AND COMPILING SHIT UNNECESSARILY".
>>51726977
>Their high end designs are thoroughly mediocre and should be avoided if you have other alternatives.
Especially if stuff like Super Flower and Seasonic are available. Over here they're much cheaper than Corsair.
>Is there any real reason to not go Liquid cooling now?
If you want cooler temps and don't care about fan noise.
-more expensive
-louder (come with shitty high rpm fans and pump)
-worse or same performance than equivalent air cooler
Water cooling is a meme.
>>51727066
It's very ironic that you're calling someone else autistic because you cannot see things from their point of view.
If you're a troll then you need to reconsider your technique, you'll have to adjust it considerably to be in any way convincing. If you're not, something I highly doubt, then I suggest you take your medicine.
>>51727101
seasonic makes most of corsairs high end psu's.
>>51726865
corsair isn't a meme
they make a lot of good stuff. they just overcharge for what they offer.
like their vengeance ram for example. its good, solid ram but its expensive for what it is. they're not amazing overclockers, they don't have the best of timings, and yet corsair charges as much, or more, than other ram that's as good and solid that overclocks better and have better timings.
corsair is sorta like apple now. they have *some* good stuff, but overcharge because of it has their name slapped to it.
>>51719130
Didnt matter still stayed in the negatives
>>51727857
>they make a lot of good stuff.
>Here, let me describe how mediocre their RAM is
You do realise that a product simply working as advertised and doing nothing else does not make it good, right?
When all of their competitors make a habit of being cheaper, better or both then they cannot be describe as good. They are, at best, not shit.
>>51727788
They have multiple OEMs for their PSUs, are you talking about their AX range?
>>51727857
And the problem is people often buy into them.
>>51717954
Custom water is great if you've got the money to burn and want the best you can get: very quiet and low temps no matter how much you OC. But AIOs cost a lot more and are much louder than air coolers while offering only slightly lower temps, and if you really don't care about noise, then just get an air cooler with high RPM fans
>>51728396
I had a water cool rigged for five years that just died. It was pretty sweet -- so quiet, so cool.
Upgrades were a fantastic pain in the ass though. A GPU upgrade cost twice as much and had less options due to the cooling blocks.
Next box will be air cooled and just shoved in a closet somewhere.
35 Dollars can get you a cooler that can let you push clockspeeds past what even the huge majority of power users can achieve.
So why should I care?
>>51722383
this
>>51718559
>coolermaster nepton 280l higher temps than glacer 240l
I call bullshit.
>>51719751
QUICK
CORSAIR H100I GTX
OR
COOLERMASTER NEPTON 280L
CUSTOMER SUPPORT AND PRICE ARE NON RELEVANT ONLY SPECS
>>51728732
nh-d15
>>51728771
>nh-d15
i alredy have a big huge chunk of metal on top of my cpu that is the megahalems
>>51728804
>>51728819
i have money because my income is $5500/mo and i dont use money like a retard on cars and women and housing
>>51728804
>megahalems + 2 x NF-A14 PWM
Do it, post results.
>>51728879
>implying i can mount a normal fan in a push position without having to take off my ram
im using some slim scythe fan as push and a normal sized fan as pull
>>51726642
>Whoever thinks of buying anything Asetek ever do yourself a favour and think twice.
That means not buying
>Fractal Design
>half of Corsair
>LEPA
>NZXT
>Thermaltake
>Silverstone
>Evercool
>Antec
>Zalman
>Enermax
and that one Intel AIO
>>51728969
>that one Intel AIO
How does that one hold up in the era of Skylake? Interested to know.
>>51728732
ek predator
>muh 2 extra fps
Liquid cooling is pointless. Spend the money on a better CPU/GPU.
>>51725307
>>51725279
B-b-b-b-but you could pay triple what you would pay for the ts140 and be FIVE DEGREES COOLER!!!! Or pay double and be LESS THAN ONE DEGREE COOLER.
These Corsair shill redditors don't even know who Thermalright is. People born in 1998 will have never owned an XP90 or TRUE120. Hell, I'm still using my VenomousX on my main rig.
>>51729388
>These Corsair shill redditors don't even know who Thermalright is.
Only if Thermalright's availability is wider by a mile over third world countries.
>>51723017
wow didn't know this was highschool still anon
>>51717954
>have h100i
>pump dies in under a year
>fans can no longer get to speed without the whole pump shutting down and the fans stopping
I'll stick with air cooled. Worst comes to worst I can replace fans in an aircooled. AIO is fucked.
>>51729062
i researched for a while and it seems that its only a little better than h100
i think a h110i gtx will outperform it
Deciding between air or liquid cooling in my PC was a big problem.
Untill i went ot Corsairs forum and saw threads after threads about leakkage and stuff.
Can't afford leakage on my first expensive build. So i went with the Scythe Mugen 4
>>51724214
c-can I have your 2600k anon?
High end air cooler or custom Liquid loop. No in between. My Thermaltake Frio extreme (rebranded Silver Arrow essentially) cost me $70 and comes within 1-2C of top AiO like the H100i GT, Nepton 280L etc.
I've done custom liquid too and AiO doesn't even come close to the reliability, overclocking range, and customizability of custom.
Had an H100i that failed to keep my fx-9370 @ 5.2ghz at low temps. Even 5.0ghz at less voltage wasn't possible. Returned it and got the Nepton 280L. Finally got temps under control but the pump failed in 3 weeks.
The ONLY thing AiO is even half way decent good for is confined cases and Mitx builds.
>>51730129
>want to do liquid cooling
>lazy as fuck and dont want to assemble/maintenance
thats why i am going aio
>>51730000
Get the one with the disconnects and you can get it to cool your gpu, too.
It's a nice base to expand on, and the components are of higher quality.
Also, nice quads.
>>51730169
maintenance for custom loop is non existent if you assemble a proper loop. Stay away from colored liquids, use an anti-bacterial/fungal solution in pure distilled water.
Other than blowing the dust out of the fans and radiators or a part failing, there is nothing to do.
Case in my point was my first big boy loop. Dual 60mm thick radiators. 360mm and 240mm. 10x1000rpm quiet fans that you couldn't even hear at full rpm. Kept my fx-9370 I mentioned at 5.2ghz under 45C even under 100% load. And 2 x gtx 670's heavily overvolted and overclocked at less than 55C under furmark testing. I built it, made sure no leaks and the pump wasn't dying in anyway, and the only time I even took the panel off was to dust it. The loop stayed together for 10 months until I took it apart.
>>51730191
What if i go for a seperate cooler for my gpu like this arctic accelero hybrid 3-140
wouldnt it be better
>>51730271
not him but that is the lazy way. By the time you're done getting the mounting bracket, AiO for the card, you're probably only $20 from just buying a full cover custom block for your card. Unless your card is so old you can't get blocks for it anymore. And that other anon is right. The EK predator may not outperform the AiO you're looking at, but you can expand on it. EK or swiftech DIY kits can support multiple blocks and radiators. Most AiO struggle to push liquid to their single radiator if you move the radiator to a position it doesn't like.
>>51730271
You could.
Honestly the differences in performance from comparing the two would probably be marginal at best. I myself would prefer the ek to the corsair as the part quality is better, and I can take it apart for a custom loop if I wanted to. I have no experience with the arctic accelero hybrid 3-140, though, so I cannot speak for that.
I just got a 212 evo for $20 though
>>51730370
Based 212 Evo. I'm honestly surprised CM didn't inflate the price of it when it got so popular.
That's probably why it is so popular in the first place though. Good performance/price.
>tfw Still have my Hyper 212+ from 5 years ago. Box, brackets, and all.
It has served me well.
>>51730350
>>51730311
I'm going for CM Nepton 280L though not corsair. I've heard it's better.
Custom loops seems too much of a hassle for me, I don't know if I will ever do it as I am a lazy fuck.
>>51730439
I had the 280L. Pumped started whining after 5 days. Pump straight up died after 3 weeks of average use.
Your money, your PC. Have a blast.
>>51730402
I just got a 4690 and didn't trust the stock cooler pin mounts. All the screw/backplate kits were soldout and the cheap coolers were still all $10-15 anyway so got the 212. It's much quieter than stock too.
>>51730475
Ive heard more horror stories on the H110i than 280L
maybe its because theres more people using h110is?
>>51730567
yup pretty much.
>>51730567
>>51730475
Guy from earlier with the Nepton 240m. What did the pump sound like? My pump makes noise but the thing still cools just fine. Was it like an actual whine or ticking/clacking noises?
>>51730592
I'm leaning on it being an air bubble or something since its been a little over a month and nothing has failed on me.
>>51717954
Anon no one is going to be stupid enough to buy that thing
>>51730257
This, I built my first loop using just a silver kill coil and distilled water, and it has been running maintenance free for more than two years now other than dusting and topping off the water level every couple of months (that could have been avoided had I not used a small 5.25" bay reservoir). It took some time to get it set up, leak tested, and cleared of air bubbles, but once you're done, there's no more maintenance than an air cooler unless you change parts. Just make sure there's no aluminium/copper mixing in the loop.
