ITT: tech that failed
Why did powerpc failed by the way?
It had more than enought raw power (no pun) to monopolize the server market
>>51703855
It's the fabs senpai. Intel is just too fucking good at making chips.
too hot
too slow
too expensive
>>51703855
Shame it did go away, it's such a nice architecture compared to clunky old x86.
Back in the day it had no legacy stuff in there, so it outperformed Intel chips, but RISC didn't change everything sadly.
>>51703855
>PowerPC
well, the G5 was a worse housefire than Prescott, for one. For another, network effects. More x86 computers leads to more x86 software. More x86 software leads to more x86 computers. For another, what >>51703872 said, Intel used the trainloads of money they made from the PC revolution to gain and then keep the lead in fabs.
in any case modern x86 hides the worst of the old cruft. I remember reading that something like 3% of the die area of an x86 core is for legacy compatibility and making sure the whole instruction set, back to 1978, is implemented.
>>51704082
>3% of the die area yada yada
oh thats actualy true, also more than half of the die is the igpu
>>51703855
>>It had more than enought raw power (no pun) to monopolize the server market
also you can still buy Power servers. Anandtech got one and benched it against some comparable Xeons a while back. If I remember the conclusion was that it was better at some things, worse at others, but was certainly expensive. You can buy cheap, commodity Xeon boxes, Power stuff is much more bespoke.
>>51704130
Per core, not per die. Server chips don't have the GPU, which is why Haswell-E doesn't either, it's a rebranded Xeon. You'll probably see more chips at all levels with the eDRAM in the die though, since that's useful in general, and not just for graphics and GPU tasks.
The only real provider of the chip was Apple and you know how Apple is with their prices, PC's were simply more available and accessible to the public. I am rolling up my sleeves for ARMv8 personally
>>51703886
>too hot
>too slow
no you
Because Intel is better and that's not going to change in the foreseeable future, no matter how much ARMfags try to shove their garbage down our throats.
Nintendo is faitfully keeping the PPC alive as one of the only major suppliers around anymore (it's inside the wii u).
Before that, the 360 and the ps3 were also PPC machines, but the new generations of those are bog x86. likely nintendo also goes x86 for their next system, and then there won't be a major provider(seller?) or the architecture, just the niche server stuff that is expensive and not at all practical/accessible to the average person.
is there any other major consumer product that still uses ppc? i can't think of any other than game consoles.
>>51704252
x86 i still better to be honest.
>>51703855
It didn't fail. IBM just focused on commercial with the power line.
Blue brain
>might create AN
>fail
Pick one
>>51703886
>too expensive
IBM are just too expensive jews, they should go the way the ARM did, just make a lot of shitty cheap processors and wait for comunity to make software and then maybe introduce it to servers
>>51704484
x86 is already established, we're better off sticking to that for desktops and laptops, and arm in phones and low end laptops.
Until x86 can be as efficient as arm, or arm as powerful as x86.
I'm pretty sure a multihreaded mt6752 might barely outperform a g3260.
It's not much but that's still something.
>>51705292
>x86 is already established, we're better off sticking to that for desktops and laptops, and arm in phones and low end laptops.
lol no, ARM is a piece of shit for laptops. x86 will replace phone CPUs soon as well too (see zenfone 2).
>Until x86 can be as efficient as arm, or arm as powerful as x86.
>What are cherry trail Atoms
>>51705429
>cherry trail
Still not as efficient as arm, but it's getting there.
>see zenfone 2 battery life
>>51705429
I can see arm laptops running Linux as being a viable budget option for many.
Well in a few years RISC will be as outdated as CISC, but by then tablets will have taken over the market of PCs and ARM will become the new Intel.
We already have instruction sets that do 4.5 million ops on a ring 10 system, but intel is so jewey that kind of shit will never hit the mainstream.
>>51705429
>being this big of a x86 shill
>thinking cherry trail is anything but vaporware
>>51705571
>Still not as efficient as arm, but it's getting there.
>>see zenfone 2 battery life
They don't run cherry trail atoms you ignorant nigger.
>I can see arm laptops running Linux as being a viable budget option for many.
Not all of us have autism though. ARM laptops will never take off for the majority of people.
>>51703855
It only failed in the desktop (aka applel) market.
>>51704667
IBM's shit is priced for their market, not for middle class STEM majors.
>>51704130
And most of the non-igp is the cache.
Reminder than modern x86 and x86_64 chips are RISC chips emulating the x86 instruction sets, because it's still faster than x86 on the same circuits.
>>51705611
ARM is dying and you know it. Stop trying to act like processors for playing angry birds are going to take over actually useful x86 processors.
>>51703855
>Why did powerpc failed by the way?
It did not. It is still around and one of the most common and successful CPU architectures *currently* in use
>>51705690
ARM is RISC you retarded mongoloid.
The difference between ARM and x86 is one is okay to program with, and the other is unadulterated dogshit.
Desktop Linux.
>>51705690
>lmao
>>51703855
still widely used in the embedded sector
>>51705763
>I can't play gaems on it so it's worthless
gr8 b8 m8
>>51705847
If it's so good why is nobody using it?
>>51705867
By nobody you mean 80% of embedded clients?
Get a job faggot and you'll understand how it works
>>51705887
>Desktop Linux
Learn to read.
>Get a job
Stop self-projecting.
>>51705772
>ARM replacing x86
keep dreaming armshill
>>51705894
REKT
>>51705867
are you using it?
no?
are you a faggot?
yes?
proof that PPC is for non fags
IBM still makes POWER 8 servers and encourages Debian and RHEL's ppc64el ports to the hardware.
>>51705928
lol
>>51705895
goldmont has been delayed inteshill :^)
>>51705660
>IBM's shit is priced for their market, not for middle class STEM majors.
And how there are doing?
I belive in arm, becouse x86 / 64 is slowed by legacy
You're kidding, right?
The PowerPC 7xx, from the iMac G3, is still fucking used today in the Wii U.
>>51705635
Sorry, didn't realise that. But how's efficiency? Arm SOCs are around 4w aren't they? Last time I checked.
An arm laptop in the low end is a viable option when an octa core arm processor will outperform a quad core x86 processor with equivalent or less energy consumption.
I'd like one just so it doesn't feel like a toaster on my legs, but with massive batteries so it lasts forever. Compared to most budget laptops out there...
>>51703855
>failed
They're used in the most advanced fighter in the world.
>>51706028
>implying that fighter jet wouldn't be better off with an 8086
>>51703855
>not actively providing engineering support to a platform that uses a PowerPC
How does it feel to be a pleb?
>>51706028
>Posts picture of BF-01
I like you family
>>51706028
If anyone doubts this anon see this: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/first-lockheed-martin-f-35-joint-strike-fighter-vehicle-management-computer-delivered-55707452.html
>>51706028
That's not the F-22
Are there any actual performance differences in the various architectures/instruction sets?
I feel like the physical properties like more legacy bits etc. make a difference but not the actual instruction set.
>>51706533
>thinking the F-22 is the most advanced aircraft
Way to demonstrate your ignorance. The F-22 is fucking awesome but its avionics are not as advanced as F-35 avionics
>>51706628
It'd shit all over the abomination that is the F-35. The F-35 was the US' way of scamming those unsuspecting countries out of billions and billions of dollars to then deliver some shit that, of course, was delayed a bunch of times and couldn't keep up with their fairytale specifications,
>>51706628
If you think the F-35 is better, then why would the US not sell F-22's to Israel? The F-22 costs so fucking much that it'd be a great deal but obviously the US doesn't want to sell their trump card.
>>51706702
I said better avionics, not better at air superiority
>>51706028
God bless Lockheed!
>>51706602
I'm pretty sure Power PC was proven to be better but not in price/power ratio which had the Intel juggernaut behind it.
x86 is legacy shit we really could do away with already, but can't because of backwards compatibility and software.
Only ARMs are making a dent in those bastards but that's just a monkey paw deal as ARMs are even worse CPUs focusing on reduced power consumption which the average desktop doesn't give two shits about.
>people in this thread actually think Intel produces cisc chips
>not knowing they produce risc chips with software implementations of the legacy cisc operations.
>>51706937
Isn't atom still cisc?
>>51707593
I think so? I thought it was x86, but I dont remember.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom_%28CPU%29
Yea, I think it is.
>>51707676
What's the advantages of risc over cisc? Could arm actually take over x86 in ipc AND efficiency?
>>51707593
I'm pretty sure modern x86 is CISC that is hardware translated to RISC-like instructions before execution.
Atom is what it is because intel cut most of the performance enhancing stuff out of the design (instruction reordering, speculative execution and register renaming) and in essence, made the actual execution hardware a bigger % of the total core silicon.
They may have stripped out other things as well, but I'd have to dig up a deeper architectural breakdown of the series for that information.
>>51707753
Yes, apple A9x have the same processor power than i5 bay trail , using 1/4 off power
>>51708178
lol
>>51708178
>top of the line arm processor barely matches 2 year old midrange x86 processor.
Not even a desktop i5.
Fuck off with that shit.
>>51708178
>>51703855
>tech that failed
Macs are not technology, they are aesthetic based computing products
I can't wait until x86_64_128 comes out
>>51708819
Hopefully not in our lifetime.
I don't want to live to see firefox need 80GB ram per tab and the latest fallout using 200GB.
>>51706628
>The F-22 is fucking awesome but its avionics are not as advanced as F-35 avionics
But the original post said "most advanced fighter" not "most advanced fighter AVIONICS".
>>51709134
>I don't want to live to see firefox need 80GB ram per tab and the latest fallout using 200GB.
Aren't they already doing that?
>>51705429
>lol no, ARM is a piece of shit for laptops
ARM, an architecture that has seen hardly 10 years of serious R&D, using lesser fab facilities than Intel, is already outperforming 2 year old desktop Intel processors in power and obliterates them in efficiency.
x86 is on life support for the next couple years, as long as intel affords to shower it with money to bruteforce the design to its limits. Then, it's gonna be just legacy and used for compatibility reasons, delegated to a niche market.
>>51703960
RISC did change everything PPC didn't.
ARM - Acorn RISC Machine.
>>51705895
x86 is such a bloated design that any low power version of x86 is most certainly garbage.
>>51704410
Someone just needs to make a Raspi with PPC and it will get hot again.
>hating on x86
It may be a bucket of shit, but it's our last bastion of freedom.
Many non-x86 computers are locked down to the ground.
The ability to run unsigned code is a legacy feature that will die with x86 unless someone makes a serious alternative to the Apple, Google and Microsoft 'dabledd pee see :D:DDD' circlejerk.
PowerPC didn't die.
It still lives on in military and aerospace electronics, particularly spacecraft, as well as safety critical control systems and network equipment from companies like Cisco.
>>51705988
IBM is doing better than Intel in terms of profits and have a better ranking on the fortune 500.
>>51708330
just imagine what M Core could of do with actual cooling.
>>51706028
>jet danger
>intake danger
bitches don't know 'bout my RAD750s
>>51711926
>It may be a bucket of shit, but it's our last bastion of freedom.
Intel has a DRM pathway built in to its modern CPUs that allow executing code completely impossible to reverse engineer.
> Many non-x86 computers are locked down to the ground.
My Novena Kosagi is not. Stop buying shit plebsumer hardware.
>>51711926
>x86 may be a bucket of shit, but it's our last bastion of freedom.
Wha? ARM is hardly a "bastion of freedom", but it's way more free than x86.
