Another attack adverted with info gained using mass surveillance :^)
>>51691206
>averted*
America isn't a democracy. In a democracy people would have had a national referendum on whether or not tuns should be allowed.
The only attacks that are prevented are the ones that might pose a threat to the very lucrative business of corrupt security theater. Attacks on the disabled do not register on a system of this scale.
>>51691228
To be fair, it was probably advertised with info gained using mass surveillance too.
>>51691250
*tuns GUNS
>>51691250
Correct, we are a republic.
>no clear motive
Allah only knows what they were thinking ;)
>>51691250
How do you reconcile your view with the fact that this shooting happened in one of the states with the tightest gun control?
>>51691288
The guns were legally bought and owned. All guns should be banned. Australia did it and their murder rate plummeted.
>>51691288
"Tight gun control" measured by Burgerfat standards is meaningless.
>known to associate with "radicals"
>openly posts on facebook about pledging allegiance to ISIS
>suspicious behavior all over
>FBI/NSA didn't do a single thing to prevent the attack
Know what the outcome will be? Politicians will say they need MORE surveillance since the system doesn't work.
>>51691250
And then theres this statist faggot
>>51691250
Nice red herring faggot. Mass shootings are caused buy Muslims and autistic kiddos. Crack down on those.
>>51691325
>>51691329
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED
>>51691325
There's too many guns already in underground circulation. This discussion doesn't belong on /g/.
>>51691250
as if democracy is any use. If it oppresses others, then it's just as worthless as a totalitarian dictatorship.
Somehow I doubt a referendum to nullify the second amendment would pass.
>>51691325
In a direct democracy gays still wouldn't be allowed to marry. Blacks would probably still be slaves too. This is why the US has the bill of rights. It doesn't change depending upon mood swings when its your time of the month.
>>51691288
patchwork gun control is like fireproofing your sofa, your shower curtains, and your dining room table. the house is still going to burn down.
Sure feels good to be in a sate with sane laws.
Fuck you gun control liberals.
Criminals will always get guns if they want them bad enough despite laws. And I'd rather be shot than stabbed to death tbqh.
>>51691411
>>51691250
Just a reminder that this one cop armed with a glock probably saved the lives of a few dozen people.
>The attackers shot a Garland Independent School District (ISD) security officer in the ankle.[4] Shortly after the attackers pulled up and opened fire, both were shot and killed by a police officer.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Culwell_Center_attack
>>51691436
Now show the one with stabbings by the same source.
>>51691436
Correlation != Causation
What that graph conveniently leaves out is the general decline in violent crime that's been happening for the past few decades.
>>51691436
>comparing an island with a low number of already existing firearms to the fucking US OF A
Get out, you fucking roo.
>>51691357
This is the problem, gun laws have been too free for too long, there's no way to track all the guns that have been sold so even if you try to implement laws to restrict the sale and ownership you would be relying on honesty to get people to hand them in or register them, which isn't going to happen.
All it would do is add another charge when the person commits a felony.
>>51691436
Can I see the previous 50 years?
>>51691411
Gun control isn't just for liberals. If you want to keep your guns, you have to maintain control over the idiots in DC and abroad.
>>51691470
>in DC and abroad.
Liberals you mean?
>>51691450
It would have to be re-scaled because it's like 30 deaths a year, and it increased to like 40
Oh noes 10 extra stabbings per year in exchange for no more 300-victim mass shootings!
>>51691391
>>51691368
If America's not a democracy, stop pretending it is and stop trying to force it on other countries.
>The US is an oligarchy, study concludes
Report by researchers from Princeton and Northwestern universities suggests that US political system serves special interest organisations, instead of voters
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10769041/The-US-is-an-oligarchy-study-concludes.html
>Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
>>51691250
>>51691436
t. Alberto Barbosa
>>51691206
>using the smiley with a carat nose
Don't the Switzerland and Finland have pretty lax gun laws?
>>51691436
But how many yearly glassing are there?
>>51691497
OMG, no more federal funding for the Princeton and NW university fags. I can't believe they cut their funding like that... oh wait you linked to a .uk article. That makes sense.
>>51691250
All this rag is doing is giving Wayne LePierre a payday from a slam dunk defamation suit.
>>51691518
Yes, every mountain jew of military age keeps a full automatic riffle in his home.
>>51691497
>suggests that US political system serves special interest organisations, instead of voters
my sides
how is this news
>>51691438
Nobody suggested police shouldn't have guns. The reason why police are looking more and more like military is because people have more and more guns. America is literally a war zone with nobody feeling safe but nobody wants to fix the problem.
>>51691557
>Nobody feels safe
Including criminals
Are you implying criminals aren't people anon?
>>51691552
It's not news. People just refuse to accept that the NRA Fox News propaganda they've been fed all their lives has only been making the gun shellers lobby rich.
>>51691436
Homicide's been dropping everywhere since the 90s, including the US. This has nothing to do with guns.
>>51691582
The majority of people killed by guns aren't criminals.
>>51691557
>Nobody suggested police shouldn't have guns.
>>51691557
>people have more and more guns
literally doesn't matter if a single person has a 100 guns, they only have 2 hands
also violent crime (and gun crime) are going down, in spite of the trend of rising gun ownership
this country was literally twice as dangerous 20 years ago
the narrative that the streets are getting more dangerous, for anyone, is a complete myth
Mass surveillance is actually part of the problem. They collect so much information it isn't possible to sort through it all.
They're wasting resources processing cat pictures on imgur and soccer moms gossiping that can't focus on the terrorists.
>>51691591
shut up faggot
>>51691557
America is quickly becoming the second round of what happened in Germany 1940s style. You are being deceived.
>>51691594
FBI's report on gang crime says otherwise.
>>51691497
It's a representative democracy, and I don't even think about other countries. I'm sorry if our freedom has rattled your bones.
>>51691591
Lets also not forget the rifles used in this attack are not only not assault rifles as claimed but can be legally acquired in countries with stricter gun control like Canada, Norway, and Finland
>>51691325
>All guns should be banned. Australia did it and their murder rate plummeted.
Actually we have a higher rate of homicide by gun now and the head of police in queensland made a public statement saying we have a gun crisis worse than pre-prohibition now.
Whats happened is all the criminals have guns now obv.
>>51691611
LIES. Majority of gun deaths are suicides.
>>51691591
What happened in the 90s other than the Gulf War?
Oh I see, foreign wars result in fewer homicides.
>>51691622
Your freedom has eroded to the point of being laughable. The only reason you don't notice is because of free shit from China that you buy with your devalued dollar and because of the free oil from all the warfare that is heating your home. When the tides turn, we are going to be fucked.
>>51691636
you'd rather they hang themself or something else much worse than a much quicker death by guns then?
Such a humanitarian.
>>51691627
You aren't allowed to own a fucking AR in Finland.
source: I'm from Finland u fucking idiot
>highest gun deaths of any developed country
>normal
You faggots are the reason NSA wins all the time. Muh guns, muh freedom. It's like they allow you to enjoy your pacifier and suck on that gun while they fuck you raw in the ass more and more.
>>51691654
Except you are wrong, go volunteer here: http://www.mpkry.fi/
Grats you can now legally purchase an AR-15.
>>51691638
The most prevalent theory for the US is the drop in violent crimes begins approximately 18 years after roe v wade (abortion legalized), so a lot of people being born into shit situations where crime is normal have been eliminated; along with the rise of computer networks and information systems for law enforcement.
>>51691206
the data is there
we just lack the dr. houses and poirots capable of analyzing it correctly
c'mon machine learning detectives! we can live in minority report and avoid tragedies
>>51691674
>remove niggers (~10% of population)
>crime drops 50%
>safest country in the world
>>51691557
>The reason why police are looking more and more like military is because people have more and more guns.
Nonsense. That's happening because the military has a bunch of leftover old equipment they need to get rid of. Regardless a cop with a fucking glock is not military armed. He's a civilian just like any other person. It's not hard to legally lug around a glock in Texas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hyQDQPEsrs
>>51691675
>http://www.mpkry.fi/
Nobody in Finland walks around with guns in the steeets. It is illegal to shoot someone attacking you or breaking into your house with a gun. Stop trying to sound edgy faggot.
Official now... News flash! The WH is claiming that this attack was the work of ISIS. I guess that is the new scapegoat for anything. I'm sure it will change in a couple of months.
>>51691645
>When the tides turn, we are going to be fucked.
This is why the right to bear arms is more important than a mountain of dead babies.
>>51691723
>muslims stockpile weapons, ammunition, commits mass shooting and profess support for ISIS on social media
>IT WASN'T ISIS
loving every laugh
>>51691723
Doesn't change the fact that the guns were bought legally and that no surveillance in the world could have stopped a faggot from shooting up his work party.
>>51691716
I never said you could, I said you could own these same guns legally. You were proven wrong so you are now moving goal posts. I also would never defend some retard running down a public street shouldering a rifle.
>>51691676
I like my theory better because it matches with the 1938/9 to 1961/2 decline which covers America's involvement in WW2, Korea and part of Vietnam before the public started getting really opposed to it.
Foreign wars to fight keeps people from killing their fellow citizens.
America was barely in WW1 for 5 minutes before it ended so I'm not surprised that there wasn't any decline there.
>>51691716
>It is illegal to shoot someone attacking you or breaking into your house with a gun.
I literally do not comprehend how a free society can deny you the right of self-defense
>>51691731
I didn't say that. The right to bear arms is just as important as mitigating a mountain of dead babies. In Fact, they are almost one and the same. The whole point being that no persons life should be endangered by others who think that they are disposable.
>>51691676
>so a lot of people being born into shit situations where crime is normal have been eliminated
Blacks, you mean.
>>51691755
>you need a gun to defend yourself
Maybe in America.
>>51691762
>no persons life should be endangered by others who think that they are disposable.
When are we going to ban cars? Or raise the driving age at least?
>>51691749
Nonsense, it's because baby boomers were a bunch of violent lead-poisoned retards hence the spike in crime in the 60s. As they got older, things settled down and now they are dying off.
Zizek thinks the occasional shooting the is the price of our freedom.
Every country has their difficulties. We don't have dictators, mass corruption, environmental abuse, worker abuse... a million immigrants moving in for welfare... etc. We have shootings, though. That is our struggle.
Where is the perfect society we are comparing ourselves to?
>>51691766
>you should be masterfully trained in hand to hand combat and be immediately outgunned because criminals don't obey laws
Sounds good, you silly little kek.
>>51691766
it's completely irrelevant whether you're likely to need to do it or not. Only a tyrannical state would arrest you for defending your own life and home. That's a basic human right. You have it inherently, it's not something a benevolent government grants to you. Governments lack the moral right to take that right away from you.
Guns aren't the problem. Fucking Americans are.
Borderline retarded general population, mass poverty with areas that make the Algerian quarters in France look like happy places, TV still being one of the most influential media outlets, large-scale brainwashing, being able to show false news without any ramifications, corporations fucking everything up in the name of capitalism, home grown terrorists, radicals from all sorts of sects, police brutality, destroying other countries either by coups or full-blown war and as such creating more radicals.
Basically an aristocratic nation with all the ruling families investing into military, because God knows that's the only thing that can keep the US' global hegemony going. Not ingenuity or the 'American exceptionalism' meme.
>>51691766
Denying people access to basic tools of self defense like guns puts weaker men and women at a disadvantage against potential attackers. That is fundamentally unjust.
>>51691762
>In Fact, they are almost one and the same.
They are not. You're the one attempting to erode freedom. Get fucked.
>>51691794
But that doesn't account for why it was increasing early in the century from before America's involvement in WW1 to the late 30s.
>>51691778
Fuck off. I'm trying to say that you can drive like a maniac and shoot guns all day long if you like. If your *purpose* is to dispose of someone else's life, that is when you need to be stopped.
>>51691807
Because of the Roaring 20s.
>>51691801
Americans aren't the problem. African-Americans are.
Take a look at the FBI's crime stats sometimes.
>>51691803
If you also deny potential attackers access to guns then they remain on even ground.
>your potential attacker may be armed with a pistol so you should also buy a pistol
>your potential attacker may be armed with a rifle so you should also buy a rifle
>your potential attacker may be armed with an assault rifle so you should also buy an assault rifle
>your potential attacker may be armed with an rpg so you should also buy an rpg
Where does it end?
>>51691739
Mean while America and western countries in general have terrorized middle East since the 50s to get oil price where they want it, overthrown legitimate governments that were good because they didn't want to lick yer boots, and now you've retaliated (LEL what a word to use in this context) by bombing civil segments in Syria in response to couple ragheads blowing themselves up in France.
it's extremely cheap price for dat dere cheap oil tho
>>51691816
Well, no shit. It's legal to defend yourself from anyone threatening your life or others lives, and cops will shoot to kill if you're waving a gun around threatening to kill other people.
What's your point?
I like this thread. I don't have a lot to add, though...
perhaps the facts that the US is one of the most unequal countries in the world, that it has the highest (as a % of the general population) imprisoned population, that is has a looooong story of intervening and destroying other countries, training terrorists, lying, cheating, stealing...
I agree, the US govt. is dangerous. the US people enable it. and techies, like those who come to /g/, make this surveillance a possibility.
>>51691352
then prepare your anus, /g/tard
>>51691281
allah and your god are one and the same thing.
>>51691827
African Americans lead in petty crimes, white Americans run billion dollar scams and go on killing sprees killing more people than a nigga could event count.
>liberals pushing their agenda before the bodies are even cold
>>51691845
The vast majority of mass shootings in the US are committed by black gangs.
>>51691829
You're not on even ground if they're 6'6 280lb and you're 5'9 170.
Even then, if they're the attacker, fuck the even ground, my number one priority is my own safety and I'll take whatever route has the best chance of that.
>>51691794
>Only a tyrannical state would arrest you for defending your own life and home.
have you tried defending your property against the US govt? have you seen what happens to those who do?
TOP KEK
>>51691829
>If you also deny potential attackers access to guns then they remain on even ground.
That's not how it works in reality. Guns are easy as fuck to get both legally and illegally. If someone wants a gun, they'll get it.
Also a person with a pistol can easily kill someone with a rifle. Life isn't an RPG; it's a matter of who shoots first.
>>51691829
In a rubber room based on your ideology. I guess that's what real freedom is according to libs.
>>51691861
That rancher dude won not too long ago.
>>51691861
>>have you tried defending your property against the US govt? have you seen what happens to those who do?
Yeah, they win. See: Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq...
>>51691842
Cops will kill anyone if they have that whim at that moment when they need some paid vacation you fag.
>>51691206
>woke up today
>didn't get shot
Whew, lucky not to be born american.
>>51691755
>I literally do not comprehend how a free society can deny you the right of self-defense
You can defend yourself but not with a gun. Our free society is actually truly free. We have free health care, free education even at university and it's the best system in the world.
We are so free we don't have just 2 political parties who basically say and do the same shit and work for the same corporations. We have REAL DEMOCRACY. We also have what America used to have when you were at your peak in the 50's, high taxes for the rich and corporations that pay for everything. Asa result of this system, crime is almost non existent because nobody needs to steal to survive because the government fives welfare to the poor and pays their rent. It's a prerty good system. And before you talk about us being homogenous/white etc, Helsinki our capital has a large immigrant population and recently someone did a test where they dropped a wallet in different cities in the world and Helsinki was the most honest. 11/12 wallets were returned.
>>51691841
Every country with any amount of power exerts it in order to benefit their nation, to do otherwise is to be an international kekold.
>>51691884
Chill out man, I didn't say cops ONLY shoot to kill if you're a threat.
Your butthurt is fucking palpable.
>>51691884
They have to really hate you to do so. Even if they get away with it there is massive amounts of paperwork if you shoot someone. Who would want more work for no extra pay?
>>51691888
>freedom means the government gives me shit
>>51691876
>>51691877
want me to post gore videos of SWAT teams entering houses?
again, have YOU tried defending your home against your militarized police?
you guys are funny, you are constantly in denial, but prefer to ignore what other people tell you. are you mentally/emotionally broken or something?
>>51691325
Actually I'm an Aussie and I can tell you that neither the murder rate nor the gun homicide rate went down at all as a result of the buyback or ban.
You can check with the national bureau of statistics on that one.
Funny how Americans always love to quote Australia as if it's some huge success, we never had huge amounts of gun crime in the first place...
What is this shitty thread doing on a technology board?
>>51691325
But their retard rate nearly double judging from this post right here.
>>51691860
It's not fair on your attacker if you're 6'6 280lb and they're 5'9 170.
Clearly they need a better gun.
>>51691901
inb4 anarcho-capitalism meme
Playground economics coming up....
>>51691888
>mfw an amerifat keks about free society while having to defend his 'freedom' with never ending amounts of guns
>so free he has to sleep next to a rifle because he's afraid that he might get shot
the keks never stop
>>51691335
Neighbours didn't report suspicious activity because they didn't want to appear islamophobic.
>>51691794
>"tyranny "
Republicunts need to learn what this word actually fucking means
It's not "stuff I disagree with"
>>51691901
Government's purpose is to serve it's people
I guess Americna wouldn't know that, you serve the state of Israeli.
>Saudi's bomb you in 2001.
>You attack goat herders in Afghanistan
FUCKING LOL
>>51691907
What the hell are you talking about? With the right tactics, equipment, and numbers, you can put up a decent fight against military organizations. Just look at the various terrorists groups that exist right now.
>>51691888
Finland sounds really nice anon. I hope the US fags learn something from your post, but I doubt it. We have to deal with non-humans like people who don't pay taxes, people who don't have jobs, people who don't have educations, people who are too dumb to wipe their own ass. On top of that, we still have to pay most of our income to the Fed reserve, Lockeed Martin, etc. You guys are setting a standard for real freedom. I salute you.
>>51691908
Yeah, want an example of when a nutbag gets a gun and takes hostages in Australia?
>monis sydney siege
>total casualties 1
>1 was shot ricocheting police bullets
Gun control works though faget.
>>51691888
>there is literally someone alive right now who believes your bait
I cry every time. There is no true freedom in the modern world.
>>51691206
Nope, it was just staged as fuck, you know when they make drills days before it actually happened, like it happened on Boston, Sandy Hook, etc
http://www.vvng.com/vvc-alerts-public-to-upcoming-active-shooter-training/
>>51691927
A government's purpose is to preserve the freedom of it's people, not redistribute wealth.
BOW DOWN FACE MECCA NOW FILTHY AMERICANS
>>51691888
>Amerikuks BTFO
>>51691913
It is the case that if that's your conception of freedom, the government giving you benefits, that government can do whatever the hell it wants to you. You're completely dependent on it.
>>51691915
Are you afraid of rifles? What's wrong with sleeping with one next to your bed?
>>51691907
What is your argument here? You're more free in prison than dead?
Why are left wing people so against guns? It's never made any sense to me. I agree with higher taxes on corporations, government payed healthcare and education, but I support gun rights and always will.
>>51691935
Why do you chalk that that up to gun control?
The guy had a gun, the guy could have shot all the hostages. At that stage gun control does nothing...
I watched the live feed from 3 stations while it was happening, IMO the police's breech and the nutter's lack of resolve were what kept the casualties low.
>>51691912
They're the attacker though. They're in the wrong and it's not self defense if they shoot you for defending yourself.
>>51691847
i gotta admit. i'm a bit amazed how edgy i was in terms that i never really saw first responders as being in danger when doing their job.
i honestly say i will get the fuck out. maybe if i was trained with firearm, etc. i would think twice.
>>51691932
>being this deluded
ok m8
btw, did you see the pic in the OP? did you see the holes in that car? that's how you end up after being shot to death
>>51691959
you know my argument very well
you guys are in DENIAL
>>51691955
>are you afraid of rifles
No, but I don't need to sleep next to one because guns aren't common and illegal to own. Also people don't go gun massacre because it's hard as fuck to get a handgun let alone an assault rifle so I can walk into any kindergarten or school and feel safe that some kissless virgin won't go beta uprising on me.
>>51691964
That's exactly what I just said, learn to read.
>>51691953
We actually have democracy and our government serves the people. If the people democratically decide that the collective takes some burden off of, I dunno, students then so be it.
The whole mindset of the individual and the government being adversaries is some Ameritard melancholy. Ironic, really. The nation calling for freedom because of government overreach has lost its control over its government.
>>51691962
>the guy had a gun
He had a (1) shot gun not some automatic assault rifle collection with 30 handguns in open carry mode.
He got one shot off before police handed him is cunt and sent him back to allah you stupid fuck.
>>51691706
Educate yourselves
I'd love to see counterpoints to this.
Disappointed in the lack of replies to it.
Fucking get to it.
>>51691888
>be Finnish
>spend the entirety of the cold war economically and politically gangbanged by NATO and the Warsaw pact under an effective dictator who remained in power for decades
>spend the entirety of the post-cold war being economically and politically gangbanged by NATO and Russia's beta orbitals under an effective EU/US dictatorship who will remain in power for eternity
>>51691982
>I don't need
Who said anything about needing?
It's my rifle and my house, if I want to keep it in a cabinet, put it on display, or sleep next to it, why should it matter?
You're far more likely to get hit and killed by a drunk teenager who swerves out of his lane on the road than killed by any firearm in any way in the US, unless you're a black male who lives in a bad neighborhood.
>>51692002
lol you think you can't kill hostages with a shotgun?
Maybe you should go check youtube and see how fast a pump action shotgun fires. He could have easily wiped out all the hostages before the cops could breech.
>>51692009
If you're not afraid why do you need a gun?
Why do you have to justify your freedom by owning guns?
I can own kinder surprises that are banned in your country.
Maybe you should chill out about the candy and get more tough about gun control.
>>51691990
We do not have democracy anymore. We have an Oligarchy as someone else already pointed out. Corporations run America and they serve the rich. They only serve the rest in as so much to ensure profit margins and that is it. There is no such thing as freedom and "the people" controlling government anymore. It is an illusion that will persist as long as it will.
>>51692002
>He had a (1) shot gun not some automatic assault rifle collection with 30 handguns in open carry mode.
a shotgun would probably do more damage in a close-quarters situation like a mass shooting of unarmed civilians than an automatic weapon which isn't even really legal or common in the US to begin with
>>51691325
But then shit like this happened mate
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/02/12/australia-struggles-high-rate-sexual-assault-against-women-study
>>51691990
>The whole mindset of the individual and the government being adversaries
All men having power ought to be mistrusted, anon. Power corrupts. I'll be the first to admit that Americans have stood up for their rights against their government imperfectly, and the US government is most certainly way out of line, but at least we've mounted a defense. That's what all this Second Amendment business is about.
>>51692022
>Lol you think you can't
You can for sure.
You get one shot off and the police bumrush you.
Also it's quite hard to start a massacre with one shotgun.
Allowing people to own assault rifles and multiple handguns without any regulation is stupid.
>hurr durr gun control doesn't work
top kek, you keks deserve your mass murders because you do it to yourselves.
>>51692031
>If you're not afraid why do you need a gun?
I hate this fucking argument. You don't need those goddamn cookies you fat fuck. People should have freedom to own whatever they like within reason and there is nothing wrong with owning a rifle. Shitload of people in suburban white neighborhoods have guns despite not needing it all.
>>51692046
>Get lied about WMDs in Iraq.
>Send your young men to die for the state of Israeli in there
>'WE WILL RISE UP IF WE GET ABUSED' - americans
lol
>>51692046
Fucking awesome quote anon. Fucking awsome.
>>51692007
Sad but true. Currently we are sanctioned by both Russia and America. Yet still we survive. pic related.
Fuck NATO for flooding Europe with refugees btw.
>>51691979
>you know my argument very well
I understand you wanting to bend over and grab your ankles to government forces. I would rather die defending my home if it came to that.
I love how nobody mentions what happened to Paris.
>>51692046
>All men having power ought to be mistrusted, anon. Power corrupts.
I absolutely agree, but we have checks in place to make sure our government doesn't turn into some semi-dynastic shitfest like in the US.
>>51692061
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Navy_Yard_shooting
>guy with a pump action shotgun
>killed 13 people at a military base
>dumb sand niggers with AR-15s in California killed 14 at a Christmas party
>>51692069
>>Send your young men to die for the state of Israeli in there
>>51692087
Still better than 150
>>51692031
>If you're not afraid why do you need a gun?
I like guns, they're fun to shoot, and useful for self-defense, even though it's more than likely I will never fire a gun at another human being in my life.
>Why do you have to justify your freedom by owning guns?
I don't justify my freedom by owning guns. Guns serve as a protection for freedoms, not justification, which is why they have protection under the 2nd amendment.
Furthermore, gun control is completely worthless, gun crime occurs in black/poor neighborhoods, where guns are sold illegally, both by felons and to felons.
>>51692093
Reminder that Saddam was the honorary citizen of Detroit.
Reminder that everything was A-okay between Saddam and US of A before Saddamn wanted out of oil dollar.
>>51692046
If push came to shove, I don't think he 2nd amendment would do shit. It wouldn't be "the people vs the government" but simply civil war like in every other country that tries to rise up. If the US military split in equal parts and fought each other, it'd eradicate the American people.
>>51692093
3 of my friends died protecting the jews. I hope you all appreciate that.
>>51692099
Are you talking about the OKC bombing or Bataclan (which were both perpetrated with illegal weapons)?
>>51692130
They died in vain.
>>51692144
Paris, even though 150 people weren't killed, that was the amount injured.
>>51692130
You mean corporate oligarchy and zionists, right?
>>51692093
Video of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHmhf_wrcrM
>“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results” - Albert Einstein
>>51692093
Ugh, that guy makes me such a seething antisemite
>>51692129
>>51692175
There were 130 killed and 368 injured according to wikipedia.
>>51692130
I pray they are in heaven if they wanted to go there. More soldiers died from suicide after returning home than who died in battle.
>>51692183
Please don't let evil individuals turn you against whole groups.
>I will never be the dictator of the USA, make California it's own country, and then bomb the shit out of it
>>51692031
Your government is armed. Why do they have to justify your freedom with guns?
>>51692198
Fuck then its even worse than I fucking thought..
>>51692185
i am by no means against guns and I do agree with the post. However, the unfortunate and sad truth for the US is that at this point there can be no real happy end after some rebellion.
I don't like defeatism but I can understand the apathy and complacency of people.
Imho, in those cases there's only one reasonable thing to do. Something that I read in one of Hegel's or Kant's works, "No matter what. The righteous must survive."
If the Israelis had fought thousands of years ago, they might now not exist. Their escape from Egypt was the single most important thing that allowed Israel and the Jewish people to thrive again.
So, Anon, if shit hits the roof in the US. Save yourself and your loved ones and escape :(
>>51691250
>>51691274
The majority of Americans want guns. That isn't even a discussion. You don't want guns there's plenty of places to go that don't have them.
>>51692223
But Jews are habitually saying that criticizing one of them is antisemitism
So in their eyes, I don't have much of a choice. Either like him and support everything he says, or I'm antisemitic
So I guess that makes me antisemitic
>>51692278
>australians
Why am I not surprised?
>>51691908
>>51691325
Your data disagrees. Some parts of violent crimes in australia has taken a nose dive since the gun ban.
>>51691250
>NRA man is terrorist
Yeah, except he didn't shoot a bunch of people
>>51692075
you are truly retarded.
gun control doesn't mean they won't allow you to have a gun, it means you won't be able to, say, carry guns in the streets (how does that even apply to defending your property, you fucking retard?), it means you'll have a background check and possibly a psychological check, etc...
again, the danger is YOUR government, you do NOTHING against that, and you don't even recognize that YOU are responsible for it. in short, you americans are brainwashed and retarded.
it's funny that you consider this "freedom". other people would say freedom is, literally, doing whatever the fuck you want. you, instead, are a bunch of hypocrites, repressed and scared
>>51692278
>a few semiliterate rustics buy 500 guns each so all americans are gun nuts
Lolno
I think guns are neat but logically it's the best choice, right now, to confiscate all of them except maybe single shot shotguns and perhaps muzzle loading rifles
And I'm more American than you by definition because I have a passport
>>51692309
They're saying he's "supplying" them somehow. But of course lest bury Fast and Furious or Obama openly admitting to supplying Syrian rebels.
>>51692337
The government should revoke it :^)
>>51692265
People are apathetic and complacent because there is nothing worth fighting for. The government is "so evil and oligarchical!" but ultimately in the end, they don't really fuck around in their personal lives, they don't harm their loved ones for no apparent reason, society as it is has kept them fed and given them the greatest standards of living the world has ever seen.
>>51692310
but none of those methods will really be effective at all when preventing mass shootings
do you really think someone fucked in the head enough to open fire on a large group of unarmed people won't be somewhat ambitious enough to say, steal guns from someone who is "approved" to own them or just go buy them illegally? shit like background checks are just shitty dollar store band-aids that flake off when real shit happens, they aren't going to prevent another sandy hook or bataclan incident
>>51692129
It's not really up for debate so it doesn't really matter what your opinion on the matter is. I'm sure that's upsetting to you, but I sleep well at night.
>>51692309
He supplied all those terrorists
>>51692299
Second data set.
/pol/ pls go
>>51692380
this desu
why haven't the mods deleted this shitty bait thread that has nothing to do with technology?
>>51692337
>but logically it's the best choice, right now, to confiscate all of them except maybe single shot shotguns and perhaps muzzle loading rifles
Maybe if you want to live in some totalitarian shit hole you kek. That would just cause a metric crap-ton of problems, because at that point, the government would not be able to fear the people anymore.
>>51692006
>Still nothing
>Willfully ignoring arguments that blow you the fuck out
I'm okay with this result.
I hate that you fucks are breathing, but at least I know you're too chicken shit to argue with facts
>>51692380
> /g/ moving too fast now.
>>51692392
>Americans think Machiavellian system is good
top lol
>>51692337
That's cute
>>51692393
it's probably because nobody wants to watch your shitty dumbed-down youtube clickbait
>>51692366
He already had bombs he could have used, in the absence of a gun. Like the Oklahoma City bombing. Or he could have poisoned people, like that group in Japan that pumped nerve gas into the subway. Or committed arson, or kidnapped someone and slit their throat, or any number of other things.
Even if you managed to completely ban guns you wouldn't have stopped a terrorist bent on killing people. All you would have done was deprived law-abiding citizens of a fundamental right.
>>51692337
This is bait, right?
Do people really think such a thing is even conceivable to do, let alone possible?
>>51692363
Why would they? I support America, whereas you post treason rants on Facebook about how it's tyranny when you get health care and you want to make the streets run red with the blood of people who look, think, or talk different than you
You clearly want to live in a fascist shit hole where truth is subject to muh feelings, why don't you move to Turkmenistan?
>>51692409
>Americans think Machiavellian system is good
Are you a communist or just a Bernie Sanders supporter?
>>51692416
>Doesn't support your shitty argument and/or goes against it
>Clickbait
Still fine with your shitty reply.
Didn't argue a single fact.
>>51692442
Pretty much. Banning guns won't stop da ebul isis derroidsts :DDdDdDDddDDDD, just the rare dumbass who isn't creative enough to think of the many other ways you can kill a bunch of people at once.
>>51692443
Apparently the elite in America think it is possible. How else would you explain the current power structure and news outlets? They don't want second amendment rights anymore and they will do *anything* to destroy it (for all the 99% anyway).
>>51692337
It's cute you think the majority of Americans aren't armed. Go demand the US military disarm their family and friends for you. I bet they laugh in your face.
>>51692442
Look up what 'fundamental right' means, clappyfats
>>51692458
It's how every anti-gun discussion turns out. They can't comprehend the number of firearms that exist vs. the number actually used in crime, not to mention the number used to prevent or stop a crime. Also trying to discuss something they don't own doesn't help either.
>>51692472
And they can have fun trying and failing to confiscate almost all weapons in a massive country that has had no gun control for over two centuries and gun ownership as a right (and arguably a duty) culturally imprinted on them from birth.
>>51692265
>there can be no real happy end after some rebellion.
Better that the nation be destroyed rather than turned into a prison that calls it's inmates "citizens."
>>51691206
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnoFKskvSq4
>>51691436
It says gun related deaths. That includes suicides (while the suicide levels stayed the same, just heightened in different methods or suicide), self defense, and police killing hostile individuals. Remove those factors and the levels stay roughly the same
>>51691325
>All guns should be banned
That'll definitely keep them out of the hands of the law abiding citizens who would never be an issue in the first place, that's for sure.
>>51692478
Why should the military do the job of law enforcement?
Flyovers really don't understand how this country works, it's disturbing until you remember they're like 0.4% of the population and therefore don't actually count as people
>>51692388
>I don't want people to criticize my country
you know, the NSA NOT ONLY spies on US citizens.
in fact, the most affected ones aren't even US citizens.
>>51692458
I wasn't trying to argue facts, because I didn't watch the video. I use this website as a place to discuss things and post images, not as a YouTube RSS feed.
If you want your argument heard out, post it yourself. I might even agree with it.
>>51691206
>cameras are technology too, so we should be able to post a thread that only has this one thing in common with technology
/kg/ - Keknology
>>51692486
Defending oneself is a fundamental right.
>>51692510
>implying
I don't know a single person who owns a gun, your meth infested unincorporated township in Kansas isn't typical
>>51692228
>you will never be an evil genius who drops seismic bombs into the san andreas fault and jettisons that whole shit state into the pacific
>>51692535
Please defenestrate yourself then, I support your right to do so
>>51692543
Good for you...?
>>51692526
The video will argue my stance much faster than I can type it.
If you can't deal with that just continue ignoring it faggot.
No need for your ignorant reply.
Click it or don't.
But you can't talk shit on what you haven't seen.
>>51691847
>posting to twitter saying that your "thoughts and prayers are with the victims" makes people feel better and definitely isn't a blatant attempt to increase brand recognition
>suggesting that something should be done about it is cynical and self serving
>>51691487
>implying most mass shooting have that many victims
>implying most mass shootings aren't gang-related
>implying most mass shootings aren't committed in gun free zones
>implying most mass shootings don't involve illegally obtained weaponry
>>51692535
All life is valuable edgelord.
>>51692535
>I learn my arguments from /pol/
murricans
>>51692525
???
this thread isn't even discussing the NSA, it's literally just a bunch of deluded armchair political scientists bikeshedding and whining about muh gun rights and muh gun control in really meaningless and non-constructive ways that have jack shit to do with technology
you can talk all the shit you want about the US in >>>/pol/, >>>/int/, or >>>/b/
>>51692543
You'd be surprised. They probably don't talk about their guns around you because it's easy to see someone's political stance on things.
>>51692566
make me
>>51692525
the US government isn't responsible for upholding the rights of other country's citizens who are not on US soil
>>51692535
Excellent work anon. This is truth that will resonate with the non-fags and make most of the liberals heads explode.
>>51692596
>I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO CRITICIZE MY COUNTRY!!!! MOOOOOOOM PLEASE TELL THIS PEOPLE THAT MY COUNTRY IS SACRED!11ONE
did you even see the pic in the OP?
>ignoramuses who actually believe putting a computer together is some noble feat that requires critical thought or skill
>/tinfoil/s who think the nsa is out to get them, and have no concept that it's merely a big governmental organisation
>the entire hardware enthusiast community, dont even get me started on how pointless their existence is
>brand fanboys
>people who got lost trying to find /wg/ (desktop threads)
>people who got lost trying to find their way to /v/
>my preferred software is better than your preferred software for these reasons which are irrelevant and entirely subjective:
>Much like the DJ/Producer of yesteryear, programming, aka "making apps" is the latest must-have personality accessory
>computer scientists: concerned with type systems, side effects, paradigms, etc
>programmers: concerned with available library bindings, performance, and platform support
>bosses of programmers: concerned with the language being object oriented in a way that keeps their hordes of inexperienced employees from stepping on each other's toes too much
>/g/: concerned with aesthetic issues like brackets and indentation styles
Bikeshedding is the proper word for it. /g/ mainly talks about brackets, syntax, and identation styles because it's non complex and everyone can contribute a opinion and be semi valid.
Any real issues will cause too much risk of being pointed out as incorrect or stupid if they're wrong / mistaken.
>>51692598
yeah no, I also don't know anyone who owns a truck. I suppose because they're too timid to admit it ^_^
>>51692520
>law enforcement having the capability of mass disarmament
my sides
there aren't enough cops in the US to do such a thing, and the armed resistance they met would absolutely necessitate involving the armed forces for any degree of success to be met
>>51691888
>Helsinki has a large immigrant population
Filthy lying socialist. Helsinki is still over 80 percent Finnish, and 6 percent Swedish. This means the non-western population is probably under 10%.
You think non-western immigration has no bad effect, and you think Finland will always be wealthy so there's no problem taking in more migrants, right?
It's literally people like you that are ruining Europe by voting socialist and letting all the terrori-, I mean, 'refugees' in.
If you really want to look at immigrant cities, look at London, Paris, Brussels. Brussels' new generation is majority muslim, so in 25 years Brussels will be a muslim city. The unemployment in Brussels is at 20% and rising. It's now internationally known as a safe haven for terrorists and pretty much ISIS Europe HQ. This is the exact future people like you are bringing to Finland, just wait.
Wealth corrupts, and people like you are traitors to their countries. I hope you rot in hell.
>>51692622
sorry, (You)'re trying too hard.
>>51692309
>>51692535
I love liberal cognitive dissonance.
I don't trust the police at all, and they're likely to shoot first and ask questions later. That's exactly why I support gun rights.
>>51692615
of course. even more, the US government doesn't seem to think that those humans have right, or, hell, that those outside the US are humans in the first place.
even more, the US government doesn't seem to care about human life, of those outside the US, or inside.
it's funny that you are defending your own government here... who is the statist now?
>>51691250
Shut the fuck up you degenerated weeaboo
>>51692520
How do you envision guns being confiscated without military force? I don't know if you've noticed, but American police hate your guts even more than the military thanks to black lives matter and libshit riots.
>>51692637
>muh insurrectionist fantasies
All we have to do is threaten to cancel your local sports franchise and you'll have them over
>>51692637
This is probably the reason that the US is pushing so hard to militarize their police. Something is predicted to happen that has not yet been made public. If a few thousand innocents die in the process... who cares as long as they aren't of European decent.
>>51692573
>The video will argue my stance much faster than I can type it.
So basically, you're lazy, have a short attention span and not very passionate and/or well-versed in the argument you're trying to put forward? You sure showed me who the educated one is here.
>>51691325
We have more guns in this country now than when they were banned and our murder rate has only gone down in line with the rest of the worlds.
We still have massive gun crime problems and our police are bunch of useless fucks with a response time literally measured in hours
>>51692648
Terrorists get in, closed borders or not, you fucking idiot.
>You are traitor if you aren't a racist.
Good grief.
>>51692631
Why don't you get a gun? It'll teach you personal responsibility and you'll learn that guns don't magically kill people.
>>51692694
>Passionate
>Devoting your time to shitposting about a video you supposedly didn't watch
Sure showed me.
>>51692685
I don't know if you noticed, but PDs now have strykers and drones and 50 cal machine guns, that's plenty to deal with the odd uncooperative crackpot
The majority will buckle when their NFL channel is cut off for a week
>>51692720
That didn't even make sense.
>>51692710
>Terrorists get in, closed borders or not, you fucking idiot.
What? It is perfectly possible for countries to limit their immigration; that shit happens all the time.
>>51692710
>some viruses are not detected by your antivirus
>might aswell uninstall it and let every virus in!
>not wanting your country to be flooded with migrants is racism
Leftist logic. You are pathetic.
>>51692725
>NFL channel cut off forever.
Truth there anon.
>>51692735
Because limiting immigration will stop terrorists from coming in? Because they go to the fucking Immigration Office with their bombs and shit?
Good fucking God.
>>51692732
In the amount of time you've argued with me you could have had the video play in the background and simply listened to the points.
All of them
Your passion is clearly shitposting.
How is this not clear?
