2016 is the year of the M.2 SSD.
Say goodbye to larger form factors for storage media, /g/.
Ahh yes all those M.2 SSDs that run at 90-100c because they have no heatsinks and cannot be 4tb like a 2.5"
>>52905203
Ideal setup:
> m.2 NVMe boot/applications drive
> 7200 rpm SATA HDD for >=4TB local store of shit like Steam games or whatever
> NAS with raid5/6 level redundacy for media and documents, using HDDs of course
> offsite automated backup
until SSDs have less than a 2x mark-up compared to HDDs and hiopt comparable capacities, HDDs aren't going anywhere.
5.25" bays and optical drives can go DIAF though.
>>52905203
I think 2016 will be. 2015 they became available and cheap enough.
Hard drives < SSD < M.2. x4 nvme
>>52905203
>M.2 card in a 2.5 SATA drive
why
>>52905235
This. No heatsink means no viability for 95% of users.
>>52905347
Mother boards with m2 slots?
Although then why would you even buy one..
What's this I'm hearing about U.2?
>>52905318
>Games on HDD
Nope. No thanks. 500Gb of SSD space now and growing.
>>52905390
I don't really like Bono.
>>52905203
>muh NVME M.2 meme
>uses it to interface through a SATA controller
>not even NVME compatible
What a waste.
What a meme.
>>52905318
>put your games on HDDs in raid0
>all the storage you will ever need with speed that gets near ssd`s
>>52905545
It's not even close..
>>52905203
taking up all my pcie lanes, I don't think so
>>52905203
I just want mobos to support PCIe storage by design so we can get rid of those sata and power cables once and for all. Optical bays and SATA drives are causing 90% of unecessary cable spaghetti in cases. Optical drives are being phased out slowly (thank god) I hope SATA drives follow soon.
>>52905318
>all those old 128G SSD's people are getting rid of
It's great to have family working in tech. I get the leftovers from business upgrades. I haven't used a mechanical drive in years and I don't ever plan one using one ever again.
>>52905390
There aren't enough consumer drives that can utilize this connector. Plus, you can buy mountable cards with the connector built into the PCB. No need for more wiring.
>>52905352
I run an M.2 SSD on my desktop and haven't had issues with overheating. That SSD is just a Linux drive though. Windows sits on a different 2.5" SSD and my games are on a HDD.
>>52905570
Its not close when crunching numbers, but for games loading times you will barely see any diffrence
>>52905594
m.2 physical form factor does SATA and NVMe (PCIe) depending on connector keying.
OP's pic clearly isn't PCIe.
>>52905612
do you just have no large media collection?
it take a LOT of SSDs to equal the capacity of something as simple as a 4-5, 4+TB drive RAID pool.
>>52905352
Heatsinks don't make a difference in an average consumer use case scenario. Most consumers will not come close to hitting the thermal limits of the NANDs.
That being said, the current way board makers are putting M.2s onto their boards is fucking retarded. Just mount them vertically so that the M.2 slot faces out like a PCIe slot or on its side so that you can mount two M.2s in the same spot as one.
>>52905672
well meme'd friend
>>52905672
>OP's pic clearly isn't PCIe.
Plextor's M.2 drive is M+B keyed, and that's a PCIe 2.0 x2 drive.
Why are M2 PCIe so much more costly then their Sata counterparts ?
While I agree it is the future, the market is already so damn small for these things..
who wants to go back to paying $1+ per gigabyte again.
>>52905421
This, I bought a couple of cheap SSDs to hoard my games on, totally worth the 400USD for the amazing boot times for literally every program.
>>52905203
It's great for a OS disk. I use one in my small fanless mediacenter additionally to a 1TB 2.5 HDD.
>>52905732
Early adopter tax. Also M2 PCIe is faster than M2 SATA, not that the difference really matters at all.
>>52905782
Yes I know its faster, I just don't understand why one is so hugely more expensive than the other.
Is there some PCIe tax i'm not aware of ?
Feels quite good desu OP
>>52905732
There is no large market for it yet, so there isn't such a strong demand for it. Until adoption rates get higher, M.2 will be more expensive simply because it's a niche product. It's why external hard drives are cheaper than bare internal drives despite having the same drive inside and with more features.
>>52905792
no, it's just 2 things:
> low volume products = gouge users
> don't want to cannibalize the enterprise NVMe market
>>52905203
Wtf happened to sata express? Every mobo has 1 or 2 connections, and is actively marketed as a worthwhile feature.
>>52905352
I use the CPU cap fan on my cryorig AIO to cool my m.2
shit's cool
>>52905841
>Wtf happened to sata express
Abortioned. The only SATA Express product that's coming out this year is a USB3.1 adapter designed to fit in a 5.25" bay.
>>52905841
>sata express?
>>52905870
>Abortioned
correct
enterprise has gone with standard PCIe cards and u.2 cables for front-mounted hot-swap 2.5" drives, and consumers are OK with either bulky 2.5" SATA drives or smaller capacity m.2 cards.
SATA express cables and motherboard connectors are bulky and crap since nobody really wants to carry SATA further into the future anymore anyway.
>>52905870
But why? Was it just two individual drives with some sort of raid card all slapped inside a 2.5" ?
>>52906058
The problem with m.2 SATA is with most motherboards I've seen, if you use m.2 SATA you end up losing either all of your SATA Express slots or a couple of your regular SATA slots. It's a crappy tradeoff that nobody wants to make if they plan on having a bunch of drives.
>>52905203
>m.2
>95 c
>connected to motherboard
nope
I do not understand M2
is it different from a sata cable?
is the speedup of M2 over sata significant?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9541/intel-announces-optane-storage-brand-for-3d-xpoint-products
>THEY FELL FOR THE NAND SSD MEME
>>52906145
does samsung have an enterprise (or higher end consumer) version of the 950 pro?
I'm in the planning process of making a new NAS and would prefer an NVMe block cache drive for one of the Xeon-D boards I'm considering.
> Supermicro X10SDV-4C-TLN4F - m.2 socket but 10GbE is power-hungry 10GBASE-T
> Gigabyte MB10-DS4 - onboard dual SFP+ for low-power direct twinax, but no m.2
I'm not sure whether to go with the supermicro and waste money on a SFP+ card or the gigabyte and waste money on a PCIe/m.2 adapter or pricier PCIe card SSD.
>>52905545
enjoy your data loss
>>52905203
>M.95C
>>52905203
I have an m.2 SSD, it's kinda pointless though as it's just a 850 evo
>>52906385
m.2 is an add-in card form factor as shown in OP's pic in the SATA cradle adapter.
it supports both SATA and direct PCIe/NVMe protocols, but it's really just about being physically small.
for single-user PCs, the PCIe/NVMe protocol has a higher maximum throughput than SATA, but you'll never notice it because bottlenecks lie elsewhere. (NIC, other src/dest drives for copying, waiting on CPU to process data, ...)
m.2 with NVMe might be appreciably better once 10 gigabit networking becomes standard, although SATA 3.2 theoretically does 16Gb/s though nobody appears to care.
>>52905203
2016 is the year of Optane
>>52906550
Feels like a bit too much effort.
Thanks.
>>52905203
Good.
Fuck 3.5" HDDs. I already made the move to 2.5" HDDs and SSDs years ago.
I welcome smaller forms of storage to go with all my future ITX systems.
>>52905545
>with speed that gets near ssd`s
bullshit
>>52905805
I think I popped a boner.
>>52905318
>ideal
>HDD
NOPE
I like m.2, I just wish they'd stick a few more m.2 slots on motherboards
>>52905203
5 1/4" fo life
>>52906442
m.2 is a pretty shaky proposition in servers.
950 pro is thermally throttled even in linear reads, although it would still be bottlenecked by 10GbE.
The Xeon-D platform seems almost ideal for high-end NAS, but it would be nice to see more that 6 SATA ports and maybe a u.2 port or two added, so you could drop a 40GbE card in the PCIe slot and still come close to saturating the network.
>>52905203
>daily reminder this is why we do not live in a cyberpunk world
What's with the hate for optical media lately? How else are folks supposed to install stuff?
>>52907403
I only use M-Disc Blu Rays for really long-term storage these days. They're pretty much on par with tape, but the players don't cost a few grand.
>>52907537
I was referring to the above posts saying that optical drives should die. Too used to those to go without one. Of course that makes picking a case a little harder.
>>52905347
Insufficient motherboard m.2 slots.
>>52906442
If you're planning on running Linux or Unix, wait another year. The current kernel driver has a serious NVMe bug that will lock up the drive during use. I've had it happen multiple times (and consequently just pulled the damn m.2 out).
>>52909625
For SATA M.2s, it actually makes more sense to use an adapter like the one in OP's post rather than the native slot on supported motherboards because of this bullshit >>52906145
Even if it's a SATA M.2, your mobo will still turn off both SATA ports on the SATA Express port because it's a hard switch.
They do make this
>http://www.amazon.com/SATA-NGFF-Dual-Port-Enclosure/dp/B00P9O2528
where you can RAID two SATA M.2s and hook them up to a single SATA port.
>>52909753
>The current kernel driver has a serious NVMe bug that will lock up the drive during use.
link?
I can't believe that a bug like this would last long given how hard it would fuck high-performance enterprise users.
>>52909854
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-nvme/2015-December/003461.html
If I remember right that was the one. I found one thread that stated it was because the driver uses virtual DMA addresses or something to that effect.
>>52909945
that's a pretty pathetic mistake, can't believe it wasn't caught sooner given that the entire point of NVMe was to have a single driver handle EVERY new PCIe SSD.
looks like it was patched quick, might even make it to 4.5.
![tumblr_n3btn4J6RW1r0jlbgo1_250[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/X6R0qQ9.gif "tumblr_n3btn4J6RW1r0jlbgo1_250[1].gif")
>>52905203
>Using a meme of a meme
This M.2 formfactor is really confusing me and the first time i heard of it was a few weeks ago.
My motherboard is 2 years old so i guess there's no way for me to natively connect one of these. Also they are a lot faster than SATA3 ssd's right? But are they faster than PCI-E ssd? Also if i don't have M.2 support in my mobo, should i get a PCI-E ssd card or a PCI-E m2 adapter card?
>>52910563
M.2 is essentially Mini PCIE, they use the same form factor slot, it's only the interface standard that changed. As such, they pretty much *are* PCIE SSDs.
>>52910563
>My motherboard is 2 years old so i guess there's no way for me to natively connect one of these
No, but if you have one graphics card and don't mind dropping its bandwidth to x8, you can plop an M.2 PCIe adapter card into the next available x16 slot. It might even be a better option than most native slots due to better cooling from the airflow across your board.
>Also they are a lot faster than SATA3 ssd's right
Look up "M-key" and "M+B-Key". All M-Key M.2s are faster than SATA SSDs. Most M+B-Key M.2s are SATA, so they operate at the same speed. as their SATA counterpart.
It goes without saying that you should use an M-key M.2 with a PCIe adapter card rather than the SATA M+B-key M.2s
>>52905203
>Say goodbye to larger form factors for storage media
>All that space that could be holding more memory.
Yeah, if they are going to waste it, why have it?
>>52905235
I came here to say this
