Kitchen Nightmares Edition
>How to request purchase advice:
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>Earphones /g/uide:
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>/g/ wiki headphone FAQ:
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>Microphone & Audio Interface guide
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JmUFMUDMP1iSx_9EqeO__dn9r0XM2tT2PKu4rCyu2Us/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true
>Previous thread:
>>51503855
>>51515182
First for new gear tbhfam
How accurate is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6JGyCW1S9g
How does this work?
Because if the video is right and that's what the Fidelios sound like I'm gonna throw my headphones in the trash and become a male prostitute for a month or two so I can feed my quality audio addiction.
I thought these xiaomi headphones were meant to smell like chocolate? I can't smell anything.
>>51515425
Jesus that sounds awful. I can tell how funky the mids are.
>>51515425
I love the X2 but there is no point doing those kinds of listening comparisons unless you're listening on something that is close to flat already. if it sounds that good you should just eq what you have to try to sound like that before buying something new.
>>51515438
They do but over time that smell goes away, it might be that the headphones have been in storage for a long time. If that is not the case you should check guides on spotting fakes. It's a very mild smell.
>>51515439
I did notice that at 5:58.
>>51515439
>>51515455
But colorations are fun!
I just ordered the Creative Aurvana Live, did I do good
>>51515462
They sure are :^)
Anyone else who used to use cheap earbuds remember the first moment when they experienced listening to good quality gear?
>>51515484
I can't forget it, first time I put my friend's pair of 598s on I leaned back in his chair and fell down, good thing the cord was like 3 meters long. He bought expensive ass headphones and had a shitty $30 chair so go figure.
>>51515484
no but going back to cheap stuff you can tell all the flaws and it just ruins it. I heard the Pison 2s and thought those were AMAZING but then i hear them now and they sound shit.
>>51515484
Nah, I sort of gradually worked my way up. Cheap earbuds to cheap IEMs to cheap headphones and so on.
>>51515484
yeah. first really good headphones I got were portapros. I remember thinking they sounded so much more complete than the semi-IEM sony things with a headband I was using before that. It made me go back to a lot of music I had set aside which was great.
>>51515471
yes
>>51515484
Yes. And I still can't find the subtitute for that headphone, especially when I changing its pads.
On the same pair of headphones
Google Music and Foobar sounds different. The EQ is zeroed in Foobar.
what the fuck
>all right, fuck everything, I'm going for the HF5
>I want dat isolation
>Out of Stock
Is amazon trying to tell me something?
>>51515893
If you're patient maybe consider the Massdrop deal since they're $99, idk
>>51515893
they're in stock.
www.amazon.com/Etymotic-Research-Portable-Earphones-Black/dp/B000XPG2QI/
>>51515904
>>51515907
I'm an europoor: I'd buy from my national amazon.
Anyone gonna grab the Fostex TH-X00? I want a closed back for work but apparently the $300-500 range is a graveyard for closed-back.
>>51515864
is google music streaming? the track is probably different even if it's the same song. or something could be altering the sound on the google music side.
>>51515923
Which country?
>>51515425
>Z reviews
>neckbeard ledditor
>>51515938
I want to so bad. I can afford it but I really shouldn't. he400i is also tempting.
>>51515938
From the people that have heard it, it compares very closely to the TH900 (but not 100% there) with some differences in signature.
These are going to go for $399 I believe?
>>51515958
Yeah, that's my understanding too for the performance and price. Very exciting if true. I'm a bit cautious though. Not too many reviewers and I sure as hell don't trust Jude.
>>51515949
Italy. They're available from third party sellers, that have a month long shipping time, but I'd rather buy from amazon to be sure to have them replaced or refunded in case they brake or suck.
>>51515958
That's not bad considering what the TH900 costs. But I'd rather they get off their asses and re-engineer a flagship planar again. Their ancient T50's (original not the RP's) are still better than most of what they make now with a couple mods.
>>51515987
Etymotic gives you a 2 year warranty.
>>51515981
>>51515992
Well here's a frequency response and distortion measurement of them, take it as you will.
Hell just their appearance tempts me, they are up there with the EL-8 as some of the nicest looking headphones out there.
>>51516014
Amazon sends you a replacement and two days later you have a new pair in case they break. I don't think Etymotic can do better than that.
this little change made me like my 518s a lot more.
>>51516032
Yeah, just saw that while googling around. That's not bad at all. Overall looks smoother than the TH-900.
>>51515484
Not really, i was using some shitty panasonic headphones until i bought some Takstar pro80s a while ago, they're definitely better, and good headphones, but they failed to surprise me, which kinda sucked since i don't have a lot of money to spend.
I'll probably try with some open headphones next time, not sure which ones yet.
>>51516474
I started off with the 518s for my open headphones because they were cheap, I love them,
Hearing aid wearer here, I have in ear hearing aids and have been wearing them for over a decade. I always use headphones. I typically don't get any sort of issues aside from occasional feed back from the hearing aids. However I was wondering if theres anybody else here who wears hearing aids and has any recommendations for headphones. Looking to get something good for black friday / cyber monday.
Currently my most expensive headphones are some $70 JVC ones which are pretty nice but cause the skin around my ears to break out after a couple hours of use. My daily drivers are a cheap $20 pair of Sony bass headphones that I got almost 2 years ago to the day. The sony ones are starting to get way too loose and the cord is starting to eat shit.
TL;DR - Recommendations from or for people with hearing aids please. $80 - $150
>>51516639
Do you have like 'behind the ear' hearing aids?
>>51516705
In the ear. Pic related.
>>51516639
>>51516733
I don't use any hearing aids but from what I've read, mainly
>Currently my most expensive headphones are some $70 JVC ones which are pretty nice but cause the skin around my ears to break out after a couple hours of use.
I think it's an issue of comfort, if you want a really comfy set of cans the DT-990-Pro would be the best, I wear glasses and when I put them on I can't feel any pressure from the them like pushing the glasses into my skin, a lot of headphones did that to me tho.
http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-DT-990-Pro-250-Professional-Acoustically-Applications/dp/B0011UB9CQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1448428168&sr=8-1&keywords=dt+990pro
They will put you back about $150, now I'm not sure but you might need an amplifier for them,I'd say buy them, see how your computer drives them if you like the sound keep them and then buy a Fiio E10, which is like $60-70. If you don't just return them.
Now I recommended you the most comfy headphones I could think of that I tried myself, there might be some anons here that can recommend you something as good as this.
Opinion on the IM70s?
I'm looking to get some headphones, but I also want a mic to go with it. What's a good combo to get them separate for under $130?
>>51515425
Not accurate at all since you're listening to them through the headphones you own.
Is the AKG K7XX massdrop deal worth it or can I get anything better for the money? I currently have a pair of Sony MDR-v6 if that matters at all.
Are the Xiaomi Piston good poorfag earphones?
Is the 400i the best neutralish midfi option or am I missing something?
>>51518243
HD600>HE-400i
>>51518257
I have a 598 and the bass is detailed but weak. The response on the 600 looks rather similar, but with better treble.
>>51517800
Highs are weak and slightly distorted, plus niggerbass. Mids are pretty decent. All in all a lot better compared to the cheapass earbuds I used before I got a pair of real headphones. Acceptable quality for watching chinktoons for me. I wouldn't want to listen to music with them without equalizing out some of the niggerbass though.
They're worth the price, and the design is fantastic.
>>51518281
It's just a shitposter/shill, ignore them.
What are some good 30$ iems? I bought the pistons 3 from eBay and they never arrived and now all I can find there are 5$ fakes. Should I consider the soundmagic e10's? What are some alternatives? Also it's important to note that the earphones should have 16 ohm impedance because my phone can't drive 32 ohms loud enough.
>>51515938
Fwiw I sold my Fostex TH-600s on head-fi and ordered a pair of Oppo PM3s online after hearing the PM3s in a store.
The Nad HP50, AT-MSR7, Focal Spirit Pro and Master and Dynamic MH40 are also great options for closed backs in that range.
>>51515958
>>51516032
The Th-600/900 are legit bass cannons with ear-piercing treble. Pretty much the epitome of "v-shaped". If that graph is to be trusted, the X00 has a very different signature than the rest of the line.
>>51518585
Yes the treble is the biggest problem with the TH-600.
The biggest appeal of them is the bass cannon part anyway, I believe that's why people buy them, but they don't want the treble in there too.
>>51515425
It's not accurate because it strongly depends on the audio device you're using, moreover YouTube audio quality is horrible. But the X2 are really really good. If I were in your shoes I would start prostituting myself right now.
>>51517739
Get it before people here will persuade you to buy a neutral Sennheiser!
>>51519114
nah i just got these a few days ago so no anax mod
>>51519114
Put your trip back on or fuck off.
Best flat headphone below 200€? No amp possibly
Is EQing a coloured headphone sufficient to make it sound neutral?
>>51519132
If I wanted to use it. I'd use it. I really want to lurk here but why do I have haters? I don't have a reddit or head-fi account. I think this will be my last post. And I'll kill my tripcode. I'll be on superbestaudiofriends instead but I'll be sure not to give you any clues on who I am. I hate these anons here who curse at me in /hpg/. I take it as a personal insult. What did my post that I deleted triggered you to do that? What the heck. http://pastebin.com/yYYYKCV6
Like do you want me to shitpost tons of times and not lurk as normal as Anonymous instead? You pretty much triggered me to hate /hpg/. I won't reply back because of this hatred.
>>51519259
Calm down. They hate you because you're an autist.
>>51519259
>I'll be on superbestaudiofriends instead
Please fuck off.
>You pretty much triggered me to hate /hpg/. I won't reply back because of this hatred.
See above.
>>51519259
Are the SHP 9500 good neutral open headphones? A lot of people say that they lack bass
>>51519281
The SHP9500's sound bright. It's a great headphone to start with. I won't recommend it because it feels too lightweight and not premium enough. They sound way better than my old Grados.
>>51515484
I had Grado SR60i's then I purchased the SHP9500's and it sounded way more high res than anything I ever had before.
>>51519309
>""""""""""I think this will be my last post.""""""""""
Who here owns multiple headphones?
What's the point?
Are you glad you have multiple ones?
>>51515484
Went from bargin bin gaming headset to akg k240, was not only blown away by the sound but also the comfort.
>>51515346
How much did you spend on it?
>>51519422
>Who here owns multiple headphones?
Me
>What's the point?
They all have different purposes, I use the hd600 for listening to music, akg k601 for when I play guitar so I can plug it straight into the amp, carbo tenore for when I go out.
>Are you glad you have multiple ones?
Yes, but only because they have different purposes, I don't think I would ever have several headphones for just listening to music
Frequency response from the HD800s I just copped - as requested by anon in the previous thread
>>51515182
this headphone is RAWWWWWWWWWWW
>>51519640
Serial number is > 21000 for anyone interested
hey guys I am thinking of upgrading from my 681evo and was thinking of getting a K 240.
I listen mainly to metal / classic rock / techno and movies.
I usually like open/semi-open headphones with a nice soundstage, good instrument separation and enough bass/sub-bass for techno.
Without amping if possible, my budget is 100$.
>>51519618
>akg k601 for when I play guitar so I can plug it straight into the amp
I don't understand why you need different headphones for this
>>51519915
not him, but if he's recording he would want closed headphones, although I don't think that's the case for headphones related
>>51519422
I do. I really don't use more than one anymore and thus I'm considering selling the rest. I only use IEMs for commute and open headphones for home use. Reason I have many is because I was just upgrading my gear over time and never got rid of the old ones.
>>51519259
Chill mate. Ignore the fucks.
>>51519151
HD 558
>>51516059
Seriously?
>>51520023
HD 558 isn't in the pastebin of recommended headphones
>>51519915
The cable is really thick and long meaning I can move about more and not be too bothered about how I treat them.
Yeah, I could have just bought a longer cable for the hd600 but then I would continuously have to move them from my amp to my computer.
Also I got the k601 for only €50 or something so I don't really care about throwing them around a bit
Fuck a brand name bitch I wear my own shit
>>51519640
>that smoothing
Lol it's useless.
>>51520115
senn hd 518 558 598 600 and athmaymay50x is the most recommended by /g/entooman.
>>51520128
maximum cancer
>>51520175
How?
>>51520173
They all need an amp to sound decent, then it's one more reaosn why I should discard them
>>51520178
furry shit
iphone
meme headphones
get out
>>51520197
>furry shit
I can understand this
>iPhone
They have excellent audio quality, high output voltage, low distortion, flat FR
>meme headphone
What do you even mean by this?
>>51519259
4chan in general is not your average site but it provides a lot information that you cannot find anywhere else. And people get hostile here between who's right or wrong, everybody is a nigger anyway. I witness speakerfags who cursed this general 3 years back, they were right. Newfags just wanted to buy cans, the flow never stops. There's nothing new in the industry itself so there would be barely interesting to discuss what's going on. Only a very few Anons here are actually sound engineers.
>more people should be using 16/44.1khz for playback. 24 for production use
I have read your pastebin, it's still blog posting. Usually I and some other people hate it.
I'm sure your problem is: You say the most obvious things, but you have no training to understand what you're saying. I highly recommend that you get some training from a person or the Internet heavily, to actually understand the science of sound and harmonics. And also the knowledge how electronics works.
>ones you will get it
>then make fun at audiophiles
You're nice guy and don't worry about the other anons, they have not seen a traditional general with different amount personalities of people. I've seen worse, usually from shitposters with their brands arguments being like kids arguing wasting posts till limit hits.
>that one hd600 shill who posted that /b/tier webM
Just remember anybody's watching so you're not alone. I may come back and pop up. But I still have to do my studies, to help the retarded to know the arts of sound.
>Florence + the machine
my nigga
>>51520128
Mc please, you are the brandhore.
>>51520415
>more people should be using 16/44.1khz for playback. 24 for production use
there is literally no reason not to use 24
>>51520443
I agree, that's why most people have to still use 16. 24 is still good for those alien ears but not as humans.
>>51519259
I'm sorry you feel this way, I liked you. Don't take the faggots seriously
>mfw poorfags buy actual 400 dollar headphones when they could just buy earbuds that are better and cheaper
>but poorfags can't afford an iphone and earbuds aren't compatible to every phone and port
TOP KEK
>>51520593
> earbuds that are better than 400$ headphones
Name the earbuds and the corresponding headphones
>>51520617
Any Audio Technica headphone. You have 10 seconds to prove me wrong.
>>51520574
>actually supporting such an autistic manchild who is literally crying over posts on an anonymous imageboard because it wasn't like the reddit hugbox he's used to
Can someone tell me the difference between Samson SR850 and Superlux HD-681 Evo? Are they any good and why are they recommended over other "big" brands like Sennheiser in that price range?
And any other devices between 30-50 I should consider that are noticeably better? I'm coming from a Sony MDR v55 which broke and the v6 isn't available here.
>>51520593
>earbuds
If you can how to difference between IEMS and buds, then fuck off.
I bet you're not even VIP.
>>51520635
TAD500/M40x/MSR7/R70x
>Spoon feeding for the retarded souls.
>>51520722
LEL FELL FOR THE BAIT KEK
>>51520115
Well someone took it out for no reason probably. You don't get more neutral sound for under 200.
>>51520195
The hell? No they don't.
I'm going to buy new headphones. Hd600 or the X2? I have an hour on me cuz I'm on my way to the store!
>>51520755
X2 if you love listening to music or watching movies
HD 600 if you love wasting time on sterile analysis and on EQing
>>51520774
I like the answer, going for the X2 to then.
And If I don't like them I will find you and u know what
>>51520755
HD 600 would be my choice every time. Get the X2 if you really want a bassy headphone, HD 600 if you want better accuracy.
>>51520774
I like the answer, going for the X2 to then.
And If I don't like them I will find you
>>51520800
That was not me
>>51520752
The only reviewer who believes that they can be used without an amp is Lance from Hi-fi Heaven, but he's a Sennshill. Everyone else says that they sound awful without it. No wonder their default cable has a 6.3 mm plug.
Also I heard many people say that SHP 9500, Superlux HD668 Evo and Samson SR 8500 provide a much better and neutral sound for half the price, and they don't need an amp.
>>51520735
What's the joke? What are you trying to prove here.
>You believe that people are wasting money on this dumb hobby?
Yes.
>Earbuds are better
IEMs are better than headphones and buds still, captain obvious.
>>51520755
Check what else they will have in store and tell us.
If not, then the hd600 and eq it.
hey guys,
i am torn between shure se846 and westone w60
i am highly sensitive to sibilance and screechy/piercing high mids/low highs and prefer a sound with full bodied and intimate mids. which one should i go for?
how are the highs of w60s when compared to that of se846s?
>>51521015
I didn't know anything about w60, but se846 high isn't piercing. And you can get full bodied and intimate mids in w50 IIRC.
>>51515484
Friend played me some Michael Jackson on a Cowon via some Grados many years ago. Was amazed at how crystal clear everything sounded.
>>51521015
You can tune the se846 with dampers.
Pic related is with the white or bright filter.
Black for warm (really dark imo)
Blue for balanced (slightly dark)
White for bright (balanced)
Empty for brighter (bright, great for anime and eurobeat)
>>51520677
>>51520818
Literally what the fuck are you on about? They are extremely efficient headphones and do not need an amplifier at all. You'll break your ears using them with mobile phones already. Only thing you might want to consider is low output impedance but that isn't exclusive for amps or a trait which all headphone amplifiers even have.
Measurements disagree with you regarding the rest of the post. SHP9500 is really good though. At least was until they got discontinued and price went up. 681 EVO is absolute garbage bassy shit with no mids and harsh highs.
>>51520722
*know* not how
>>51520195
>>51520818
Voltage sensitivity is where its at. Lower than an 100spl/mw then it needs an amp. But that's if you want it louder, why would you want that above 85 decibels?
Not the impedance, because more impedance will require more voltage and less current. (Try dividing it by 8: 250ohm÷8=31.25ohms. Any source/amp that's higher than that can affect sound and drivers, "the lower the more efficient")
>>51521165
I would get the Samson if I where are you. Cuz the 681 evo is v-shaped like crazy, if you like that kind of stuff.
>>51515182
What would someone recommend for noise cancelling headphones with good soundquality/bass. Got moved to a new cube area and coworkers are really loud...
>>51521334
>I would get the Samson if I where are you. Cuz the 681 evo is v-shaped like crazy, if you like that kind of stuff.
Hm guess I'm favoring the Samson now since they're only 9 bucks more. Do you have both of them? How do they feel when you wear them longer?
Why are open headphones recommended over closed ones?
>>51521425
They tend to sound more natural, have better fidelity in most price points and usually have better "headstage". Closed backs can isolate but if you don't need that, open headphones are generally the better buy. This is being vague though. Someone might prefer the sound of closed backs over open headphones.
>>51521342
What's your price range?
I would recommend some closed headphones for the sound isolation, the beyerdynamic dt770 would probably suit you fine. I can testify that the 250ohm model sounds good for it's price. You may need an amplifier to drive it if you want it to be loud though
>>51521276
I heard that SHP 9500 lack bass. Also are they better than HD 600 sound-wise?
>>51521477
$300 at most, something that I'll be able to get my money out of as a long term investment ;)
>>51521477
inb4 the HD600 shill
>>51521499
Yeah have a look at the dt 770's
>>51521487
They have rather steep roll off in the bass so I guess it is a bit lacking. As for the question about which is better, no I don't see how could you consider SHP9500 better than the HD 600. HD 600 has better extension and more neutral response.
>>51521524
sorry for my headphones ignorance... but how would these compare to something like "Bose QuietComfort 25 Acoustic Noise Cancelling Headphones" on the amazons?
>>51521342
>>51521547
Noise cancelling headphones are a gimmick. The PSB M4U2 is a nice choice. IEMS are better in terms of isolation. If you could find a custom tips for them or a shaped earpiece if you want better isolation.
>>51521408
>Do you have both of them? How do they feel when you wear them longer?
Sorry bro, I don't have them. I usually test around with expensive cans at a local store.
>>51521425
Open ones are better so the driver can catch more air then the close ones. The bigger soundstage, fidelity details, etc. Some close headphones may have a bit more air vents then others, but still same features as closed ones.
>>51521547
Yeah what >>51521577 said
>>51521547
I've personally tried the QC25, and while they're well built, and have a good comfort and a very efficient ANC system, the sound is not as good, but if you want warm muddy sound, you might even like them.
PSB M4U2 are a better choice but IIRC the QC25 should be cheaper.
If you want isolation from the surrounding without having to spend a small fortune, IEMs are more cost effective. Etymotic IEMs are specifically built to be isolating, but they don't have an easy to like sound; Shure SE215 is very isolating and warm so you might like them more, give them a look.
Is there any EQ guide using EQ APO? I confused with EQ tutorial using Electri-Q by Piccolo guy or something.
>>51521841
The point of equalizing is going against the peaks and drops between the frequency response. Check out some measuring sites and estimate them yourself, raw data or smoothed depends your own personal preferences. Also get an VST type of equalizer instead.
>What do I EQ on?
EasyQ, Equalizer APO+Peace GUI, Neutron player, AU Lab+Soundflower
>How do I know what to do?
Ears, noise bursts, sine sweeps. Back off the preamp based on peaks added to the EQ. Still back off the EQ even if It's just making cuts. Distortion may occur infrequent on certain frequencies. Not every headphones are equalise.
![Person.of.Interest.S04E22.720p.BluRay.x264-DEMAND.mkv_snapshot_38.44_[2015.10.25_18.21.24].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/e13p8zH.jpg "Person.of.Interest.S04E22.720p.BluRay.x264-DEMAND.mkv_snapshot_38.44_[2015.10.25_18.21.24].jpg")
SoundMAGIC E30 or PL50? They're both overpriced though, at 55 and 69€ but there's nothing else available.
And does anyone know anything about Beyer Custom Studio? There's little info but I did hear they are better than DT770 and custom one both and are actually available here and cost 159€, whooping 3€ more than those two.
So i have a few choices:
Fostex TH-X00
Hifiman HE 400i
Is there any other headphone on sale in the 300-400 dollar price range? Does Mr.Speakers have a black friday sale?
>>51522473
Shure 1440?
>>51521841
>PiccoloNamek's guide
There are several things I would criticize about it, such as using a linear phase EQ (these aren't recommended for listening, even if you would probably have to go out of your way to find one). I'm not sure if he understands the concept of the HRTF either.
Take this stuff posted before.
>Windows has Equalizer APO that affects all things done system wide. PEACE gives it a visualization so you can see what you doing.
>Parametric equalizers give you filters, peaking and shelf filters are standard, other filter types are commonly included. A filter is something meant to change the output signal, pass audio through the filter and the output is affected in some way. Peak filters focus their effect onto a specific point, high and low shelf filters affect everything above and below a select frequency range respectively. For normal listening, these are the only filters that you need
>The Q factor describes the focus of the peak (resonance) or shelf width at the selected frequency, it has an inverse relation to the width of the spectrum that is affected. Something like a tuning fork, or even better, a laser, designed to resonate at specific frequency will have a ridiculously high Q, like in the thousands, millions, billions, and so on, well beyond anything in a headphone. A low Q spreads the adjustment more broadly, affects more of the sound.
>Gain refers to how strong you want each filter to take effect, like +6dB to some place in the bass on a normal equalizer. Equalizers will give you a preamp control. The preamp you can think of as a digital volume control. You want to cut back on it when making EQ adjustments. If you don't, and you raise the EQ higher at some point than the maximum digital volume, you end up with distortion and clipping.
>people unironically eqing without proper measuring equipment
Thoughts on M50x vs Sennheiser HD598
>>51522496
So, which graph I should use as a reference to EQ? Diffuse field one, or raw measured? I heard for one thing you should use high Q for cutting frequencies and low Q for boosting. Is it right or not?
>>51522133
Did EQing need that many tools? Isn't neutron player for android ones?
>>51522473
I got the HE400i and loving it, like it more than the HD600
>>51522555
How about Beyerdynamic Custom?
>>51522490
I already have the 1540s
>>51522584
What would you sat the 400i do better than the HD600?
Wtf is the align pin on the cups under the pads on X2?
>>51521841
>>51522496
>You need something for reference tone generation. Use sine waves and sweeps (also called chirps) to identify which peaks and dips annoy you most. Audacity has a sine sweep generator; it lists it as a chirp. This site gives you markers to keep track of the frequency, but it limits to short sweeps per file.
>http://www.audiocheck.net/audiofrequencysignalgenerator_sweep.php
>The loudness contour does a little trickery when equalizing by ear. Doing this when playing back the test tones loudly gets around it mostly, but the treble can get out of control and be painful. Or you can figure out a more comfortable listening level and reference the loudness contour.
It's easy to keep track of the frequency with a linear sweep, but they don't match hearing too well. Log sweeps reflect hearing better, but it can be hard to keep track of what frequency the sweep is at. Markers help here.
You don't explicitly need the sweep to be very loud or to constantly reference the loudness contour, but you'll have a harder time relating the graph to what you hear otherwise.
You don't have to reference a flat diffuse-field corrected target either, but you would have to figure out what other response you would want instead.
Any modification on X2? Post pictures please
Any of these any good https://www.massdrop.com/buy/brainwavz-exclusive-mass-ive-grab-bag
>>51522534
Thankfully EQing headphones without measuring equipment is easy but just somewhat time consuming. You can get more accurate results with your own ears using logarithmic sine sweeps than you could from measurements on artificial ear couplers. They give you a good general outline but can't compensate on the resonances your own ears and ear canals might induce.
>>51522575
>So, which graph I should use as a reference to EQ? Diffuse field one, or raw measured?
Diffuse field corrected graphs. It is very unlikely that you will find two headphones of the same model with a perfectly identical response (<1dB matching 20-20kHz), and measurement systems have progressively larger error bounds in the high frequencies. It's fine if your flat EQ looks a little different from the inverted graph, and you can EQ it to be a little different from that.
>I heard for one thing you should use high Q for cutting frequencies and low Q for boosting. Is it right or not?
Peaks and dips should be fixed, no matter how narrow the peak is (high Q). But high Q peaks and dips are sometimes caused by how the headphone is seated on your head. Taking the headphone on and off, and the dips and peaks in the headphone response shift around, but your EQ doesn't follow.
>Did EQing need that many tools? Isn't neutron player for android ones?
I think he's been reading some posts I've made on how to EQ and missing a bit of the context. They are different tools for different platforms.
AU Lab (a plugin) and Soundflower are for OS X.
EasyQ is a VST parametric EQ plugin, just as Electri-Q is in Piccolo's guide. There are very many more VST PEQ plugins, those just happened to be some popular and free examples. You can chain it to the sound output like OS X, but Windows already has EQ APO.
Neutron player is for Android, it has a nice parametric built in.
Android does have a system-wide EQ in Viper4Android, but last I checked, the parametric (its actually an even more powerful tool, a convolver) wasn't the most newbie friendly thing to set up.
Joe Bloggs has a guide to setting up the convolver if are willing to go through with it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=43981563#post43981563
I own the Shure SE215 iems and I wonder if I should get a dac for it. Like, is it necessary or will it make the sound better in some way for me? Do I need better headphones for dac to make a difference?
I am thinking about getting the Schiit stack.
Help apprecieated
>>51523196
If your onboard soundcard didn't hiss, don't.
>>51522658
Those aren't available in my country.
I just chose between two of the most popular options according to the Internet.
>>51523196
Warning about the Schiit stack. Their gain is rather big so with sensitive IEMs you might run into problems with channel imbalance as you barely need to turn the volume knob on it or even audible hiss from them as the Schiit stack is not the most quiet amplifier and DAC combo. If your on-board doesn't have weird noises or just hiss right now, you won't benefit from a separate DAC at all. Low output impedance might be helpful with those which is what a well designed amplifier could help with. I'd rather get O2 with 1x gain option and skip the DAC unless you have the aforementioned problems with your on-board. It's very likely that there will be no audible benefits from the O2 or Schiit stack though.
>>51523426
I'd say skip the O2, too.
>>51523038
Should I EQ left and right channel differently? How many sweeps file did you use for EQing? And do I need to counting the brain filter factor while EQing using diffuse field corrected graphs for references or should I just EQing using my ears.
Also, any alternative other than golden ears to see diffuse field corrected measurement. I find its hard to navigate around in Seeko.
>>51523451
These graphs with different output impedances are interesting tho.
is VMODA just Beats for EDMfags instead of nignogs?
>>51523426
My O2 is hissing when I plug it at high volume with silent background(not listening to music). Why is that?
>>51519259
Reasons why you get hated
>Your headphone is better than 90% of the posters ITT
>Your music taste
>You have an anime waifu / You are a furryfaggot
>You are autistic
>>51523646
What is it plugged into? I have never seen lower measured noise spectrum as O2 has in a headphone amp you can actually buy. Could be that your source or DAC is a bit noisy. Noise is cumulative.
>>51519259
Not even Hiromi's best album desu.
>>51523609
bassy shit with good build quality and edgy looks
>>51523716
I did plug it into hifimediy DAC as other anon recommend it as cheapest alternative to mainboard. I thought it'll be enough as I always turn the knob less than 10 o'clock.
Good day, /hpg/
what is the best dap alternative to the discontinued and horribly priced clip+???
I had two over 4 years, bricked one doing 'stuff' and other got lost/stolen when I was on errand.
I picked these up for $40 last year on sale, Amazon has em back at $160
I really like em
>>51523846
AK 380
>>51523895
>>51523895
>"I need something cheap"
>Proceed to suggest the most expensive piece of equipment on the market.
Jesus fucking Christ how I hate this meme!
>>51515182
gordon ramsey is a true patrician
>>51524002
I'm this close to just buying another clip+ desu
(づ￣ 3￣)づ
>>51515182
>>51524016
>>51519647
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGZgvMwjq2U
>>51524020
I can't understand why the price of the zip+ skyrocketed in the last months
>>51524068
*clip+
>>51523895
Old and busted. Give'em his aluminium brother, AK 320
>>51523846
Fiio X1?
>>51524085
it's no longer produced that's why desu
http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Sansa-Clip-Zip/Are-all-Zip-Models-being-discontinued/td-p/337548
http://ams.com/eng/Products/EoL-Notifications
>>51524068
Went out of production
>>51524115
D: for 100$ hmmmmm I was thinking of something cheaper
>>51523468
>Should I EQ left and right channel differently?
No.
>How many sweeps file did you use for EQing?
As many as I thought would give me a good representation of the response. Which turned out to be a lot of sweeps, about 15 or so. A bunch of slow sweeps to dive into narrow peaks and dips and a few faster ones to see how the response comes together
>do I need to counting the brain filter factor while EQing using diffuse field corrected graphs for references or should I just EQing using my ears.
The point is that the mental filtering is your personal diffuse field EQ (or close to it), meaning use your damn ears.
>any alternative other than golden ears to see diffuse field corrected measurement
Goldenears isn't quite a diffuse field measurement. Seeko's headphone measurements are listed here:
>http://www.seeko.co.kr/zboard4/zboard.php?id=m_phones
Rin Choi and Speakerphone have some blogs with good measurements, Mountain Rice Oppose (don't ask me why he called it that) or M.R.O., and Clarityfidelity respectively. Blogspot sites, so I can't link them directly.
Innerfidelity isn't diffuse field equalized, but if you make some adjustments around the midrange, it will line up with diffuse just right.
>>51515567
same here with the porta pros
still love em
>>51524211
Thanks, I'll try it later.
Also, can you teach me how to read CSD? Is this pictures imply that this IEM have a very fast decay? How about the timbre, can you read that in CSD?
>>51524137
>>51524144
Usually the price should drop when products get discontinued, shouldn't it?
Also, on ebay I've found an already rockboxed used Sansa Clip+ in allegedly working conditions (the seller has 100% positive reviews, so I guess it's not bricked) at 1€ plus shipping. Is it worth buying just to have one?
>>51524711
>Usually the price should drop when products get discontinued, shouldn't it?
>how does supply and demand work
I think you're mixing up the normal clip with the clip+. I have no idea if the normal clip is any good.
Just got my Sony MA900.
Fucking awesome!
>Budget
100-120 dollas
>Location
Europe
>Source
Desktop
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized, closed or open
>Comfort level
comfy
>Preferred music
Electronic music, rock, anything really
>Past headphones
koss porta pro
>Budget
£100-£140
>Location
UK
>Source
Desktop
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized, closed
>Comfort level
not terribly concerned
>Preferred music
Muh chinese cartoon shit and electronic
>Past headphones
ATH-M50
Who /shills excessively/ here?
>>51525665
>tfw can't into phone camera
>>51525665
mud
>>51515484
i used skullcandy earbuds then upgraded to grado sr60s
now i have hd598s
still have cheap buds for studying on campus
What are the best open headphones for >300$.
Music I listen to is
Lisa Gerrard
Dance/Electronic Music (lots of base)
I sometimes listen to pop here and there a bit of slow core and old school hip hop
I also watch tons of movies/tv shows and game regulary.
I'm looking at the Philips Fidelio X2's and they seem to fit the criteria, anyone have any other recommendations?
>>51525944
HD 650 maymaymay
You might want to look into closed headphones.
>>51526004
Why? Isn't open soundstage better? What does closed benefit other than sound not leaking through?
>>51526035
In the lower price brackets, and especially if you don't have an amplifier, closed headphones are more likely to be designed with low power sources in mind. Bass usually suffers the most from insufficient power supply.
>>51525665
my source > your source
>>51526109
Really nice pairing, colour me jealous.
>>51526107
if I get a DAC/AMP combo for an open sound stage headphone will it also fix the bass deficiency problem? Because that's really my only worry
No opinions on >>51522197?
>>51525944
As a owner of Fidelio X2, I can say that they're great both for watching movies/tv shows and for listening to the kind of music you like, because I use them for the same purposes as you (I like classic rock better than hip hop, but I'm sure they would sound really good for hip hop, if not better). When it comes to buy new 300$~ headphones, I think that the best choices are the X2 and the Sennheiser HD 600. The main differences between them lie in the sound signature (HD 600 is more neutral and detailed, while X2 is V-shaped and more "energic", meaning that it adds a sort of "fun" factor to the listening experience) and in their capabilities (X2 are super easy to drive, while HD 600 surely requires an amp to suow their full potential). As for the comfort, they're both equally good.
>>51526130
Sure, but it's just really hard to recommend headphones for bass since it is very finicky to archieve with headphones, leaving many disappointed because a natural reproduction is not possible. I would try 3 pairs of headphones and send back the shit ones. I liked the HD 650 because it made even bad sources/files enjoyable, but it might not be agressive enough in the treble for electronic stuff.
>>51524137
Fugg! So now what's going to be the new clip+ as a cheap rockboxable well sounding small mp3 player?
>>51526209
>>51526216
Got it, so between the 600's and X2. I'll take a look at closed headphones for around 600, but i'm not sure where to start. And that's if they are still a good alternative to the others. Thanks guys
>>51525494
please respond
>>51526284
meant to say around >300
>>51525944
HD 600
hey guys whats the going rate for shure se846? I can get a used one for $650 and buy some new tips
>>51526284
Tyll shilled the HE400S really fucking hard, so you might want to check them out. Especially for electronic music the Sennheiser HD 8 DJ is bretty good. Gets really nice reviews and the cable looks awesome.
All the earbuds I have tried fall out my ears after about 30 seconds. even If i am still.
Any suggestions apart from the ones with hooks or over ears as I already have a pair.
And second question the sennheiser "Gaming headsets" are they any good? I personally love sennheisers but I was wondering how good they are as headphones and how good the microphone is.
>>51526284
Get a planar with flat bass. Something like the 400i is on sale for $300 right now. X2 is a boomy midbass meme from when it was on sale for $200 and the HD600 is just a competent dynamic from the 1990's.
Could someone please post the webm of the 'orgasmic' headphone review (with the Harbeth in the background).
I've never had closed headphones.
Do you think they are soundproofed enough to cause me to get run over by a bus in manhattan if I'm not paying attention?
>>51526518
>full-sized headphones
>in public
you deserve to be run over by a bus in manhattan
>>51526518
Probably not because traffic in major cities is loud as fuck.
>>51526532
Not this meme again. Nobody besides autists like you care if you wear full sized headphones in public.
>>51526548
it's funny because only autists like you actually do it because of your social ineptitude.
>>51519515
1200USD.
>>51526571
Nobody pays attention to how random strangers look unless there's something that sticks way out like horrible hygiene. Full sized headphones are normal and plenty of people wear them in public.
>Budget
50-120
>Location
US
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Over the ear or inner dont matter
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
enough to not make me wanna chop my ears off after 20 mins
>Preferred tonal balance
natural, v balance
>Preferred music
flying lotus type music, boards of canada esque, death metal, classical
>Past headphones
im currently wearing my Sony Wireless headset i use for my ps3 and ps4. I have the red logitech headphones but i dont like em too much. I will mostly use the new headphones/IEMs for gaming and music really.
>>51526612
>Full sized headphones are normal
you don't know what normal is, autismo.
>>51526612
this is not true
Ordered HD800's. I'm super fucking excited. I've used ATH-M50s, V-Moda M100's, and AD700s. I wonder if it'll sound significantly better at the insanely high pricepoint, or if it'll just be a slight increase.
Now I just need to replace my O2 + odac with something a bit better to power these bad boys.
If anyone else is interested, you can pick them up from an Italian supplier for $1030 USD. I'm fucking pumped, just waiting for them to ship out.
>>51526633
>>51526638
I've seen plenty of people walking around with m50s, various seinheiser headphones, etc.
>>51526647
>Now I just need to replace my O2 + odac with something a bit better to power these bad boys.
No you don't.
>I've used ATH-M50s, V-Moda M100's, and AD700
Enjoy the treble rape.
>>51526663
m50 owners are literally autistic, especially the ones who wear them outdoors. they have an agenda to show off their 'better' headphones to the beats crowd and probably make themselves identifiable as redditors.
>>51526680
>projecting your arbitrary image of people onto strangers who happen to use a headphone you don't like
That's autism.
>>51526647
From an Italian supplier on ebay**
>>51526664
Thanks mate. I hope it's as good as they say.
>>51526703
>being this socially inept
![OS2XPuu[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qJEIWDl.jpg "OS2XPuu[1].jpg")
>even spergs have the decency to wear in-ears in public
What's your excuse?
>>51526774
I wear IEMs in public and HD800's at home. It's the best way to go about it in my opinion.
>>51526726
>caring about strangers
>>51526774
Depends the weather. If it's clear and dry then I wear whatever size, if not you know.
>>51526604
Lol
>>51526619
anyone wanna help ?
>>51516639
what do you mean by feedback? do the in ear ones do that squealing thing?
>>51526647
Dude, you have absolutely no idea what to expect, you'll be blown away. Happy listening
>>51526871
spot the autistic shutin
>>51526900
Why?
>>51526604
Good price desu. I've been hunting for one from EU a while now but nothing near that price point has come up.
>>51526968
Yeah I got pretty lucky. Actually, originally I won an auction for them at ~$1050USD but the guy pulled out saying it suddenly stopped powering on. This one I just threw a 1200 offer at a guy who put it up for 1700 and after two days he accepted the offer. It's pretty much brand new, the seller told me he just switched to a DAC2 DX for the AES input.
>>51526936
Thanks, now if only I could keep myself busy for a week or so because I'm constantly checking my shipping status.
>>51526774
beats made it socially acceptable to wear fullsize in public as long as its beats or bose. You do have beats, right anon? I sure hope you're not poor XD
>>51526997
ive seen people with hd201s, i bet they were hoping people mistook them for bose
>>51526993
I can post my EQ config for you once you get them if you want to try them with closer to neutral sound signature. Using them with O2+ODAC right now and you really don't need anything more.
>>51527047
The sad thing is that HD 800s are really quite diverse in their FR, you can copy someone else, but it's best to experiment yourself.
>>51526943
Meh, desufam
>>51526914
NVX XPT100/save up for the DT250
>boards of canada
My sweet spot
Should I buy vmoda xs.
>>51526968
http://www.audio-markt.de/_markt/item.php?id=5548520044&audioauktion=52e96947e989b786bfe1b8a791379a71
Is that any good? I can't into German.
>>51527047
What tool are you using to EQ them? I'll mess around with my EQ settings myself.
Oh man those things look beautiful too. Can you compare them to low-mid range headphones at all? Or is the sound difference that significant?
>>51527155
I have M-100s and personally, I'm not a fan. The sound is great, a bit too bassy in my opinion, but regardless, what good is sound if comfort is horrible? Not quite the xs at all so take this with a grain of salt but just my two cents.
Anyone see some good deals for black friday on amazon?
>>51526993
Kek, I know how you feel. Let us know what you think of them when they arrive.
>>51527047
I'm not the anon you answered but I'd be interested to see it
>>51527219
>Or is the sound difference that significant?
Don't go in expecting too much, audiophiles like to boast about the most minute differences. Even going from some sub-$100 headphone to a kilobuck was very underwhelming for me after hearing all the hype around them.
I'm not who you replied to though.
>>51526476
Try iems unless it absolutely must be open portables in which case you could get something on ear like portapros.
As for gaming headsets all I can say is shiggy. The only gaming headset I've seen that seems remotely well priced is the hyperx cloud, and only because it's basically just a well liked budget takstar with a mic thrown on it. If you want a headset get a decent fullsize openback of your choice and put a modmic on it or get one of those clip-on/lapel mics.
>>51526357
That seems about normal.
>>51524389
CSD is a representation of the stored energy in a system, caused by resonators (like your EQ). It shows the energy output of the system over time, not coincidentally represented by Q factor. Q of a resonator refers to not only the range of frequencies, but how long the energy in a system persists, measured by the amount of wave cycles it takes for the frequency to attenuate. Higher frequencies die away faster for given Q since they complete a cycle faster.
CSDs can be a little hard to interpret, partly because they are FR dependent, as you might be able to guess. The method of visualization is not necessarily stanard either, which makes the CSD look different.
There is a limit to how accurately you can know time and frequency at once, expressed in the uncertainty principle.
>>51527155
I have them, I used to like them but not anymore. They get really annoying because on-ears problems later on.
Compare to the M-100 it's a bit better. If you want a fun colored sound instead of the dark. V-moda build quality is still top gun.
>>51527258
Ignore the hype, it's overrated somewhat.
>>51527105
I can give a starting point, not a precise EQ. I know Sennheiser matches only the drivers of each individual headphone but not across different units so there could very well be rather big differences between units. My S/N is 31xxx so that's well after the sneaky "update" to the drivers.
>>51527210
Well I can't either but yea looks alright.
>>51527219
>What tool are you using to EQ them?
EQ APO
>Can you compare them to low-mid range headphones at all? Or is the sound difference that significant?
"Low-mid range" or "high end" are just marketing and branding terms. You have a few measurable things but mostly it's just frequency response affecting the sound and there are good and bad models to be found in almost every price point. In terms of accuracy the HD 800 loses to something like HD 600. Looking at measurements the HD 800 is kind of average or even poor for the price considering how great you can do for much less money. I don't see the coloration on the level of HD 800 as a problem as it's something so easily fixed with EQ with headphones for home use. The headphones themselves are really comfy, seal extremely consistently, are well built and have frequency response which has excellent bandwidth and decent fidelity. I also find them to sound really open even compared to most open headphones("headstage" or whatever). They are also easy to drive despite whatever you can read on "audiophile" forums.
Compared the the headphones you have now the sound signature is the polar opposite. I agree with anons who told you not to expect too much. Expect a change, not something out of this world. I can also say that there hasn't been a time after getting these when I would've regretted it or looked for other pairs.
>>51527257
>I'm not the anon you answered but I'd be interested to see it
http://pastebin.com/ZtXLWmfT
>>51527463
It loses to the HD650, HD598 and HD558 as well.
I've listened to the HD800 extensively and I've yet to hear the 'open' sound that many speak about. The direction of sound is from the side like all headphones (except K1000).
I'm not here to bash the HD800, but I still cannot get its appeal.
