Is AMD still a maymay, /g/?
>>51512452
Hasn't been a meme in a while.
They don't release WHQL drivers consistently, but when they do, they're actually pretty good and stable, always come with nice boosts.
Their beta drivers are usually pretty great too, if you can deal with some instability. Better than Nvidia slapping a WHQL label on everything that crashes every 30 minutes, to be honest family.
>>51512452
>saying "maymay"
kill yourself
>muh 4 frame increase
Nvidia gets a 4 frame increase with every driver update. And they do updates monthly as opposed to amds yearly update.
>>51512808
>saying "kill yourself"
leave
>>51512809
Just like their older generations got performance increases and not decreases this year right? Right?
>>51512924
>Just like their older generations got performance increases and not decreases this year right? Right?
Only happened in newly released games that use tessellation heavily. Their performance decreased because their hardware is outdated.
>>51512808
>using meme arrows
>not third person
kill yourself
>>51512808
Leave.
>>51512980
>Their performance decreased because their hardware is outdated
Performance is not supposed to decrease with time, retard.
>>51513075
Decreased in relation to the newer cards, retard.
>>51512452
>wowitsfuckingnothing
You got a 3-15% bump in FPS (only a few more frames per second)
So what?
Is the insanely variable frame times fixed?
Does Crossfire work for all games?
How about Crossfire scaling? Does it no longer stutter like Michael J Fox?
Does it make Freesync less of a piece of shit?
>>51512809
>yearly
>>51513083
Except it didn't decrease compared to new cards, it simply decreased.
A 780ti was faster 2 years ago, it got better scores in 3dmark 2 years ago.
nvidia purposefully gimps last generation cards to force people to upgrade every generation.
This isn't a case of nvidia simply not providing any support for those older product, this is nVidia very deliberately lowering the the performance of last generation products via software updates.
>>51513083
>Decreased in relation to the newer cards, retard.
Except their performance decreased in terms of absolute values.
>>51513101
>Is the insanely variable frame times fixed?
Actually, yes.
>Does Crossfire work for all games?
No, some games need specific profiles introduced by driver updates. Blame the game vendors.
>How about Crossfire scaling? Does it no longer stutter like Michael J Fox?
It's gotten better. It's also better than nvidia's.
>Does it make Freesync less of a piece of shit?
Yes, it did make it perfect and fixed the one complaint people had about it.
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-Software-Crimson-Improves-FreeSync-and-Frame-Pacing-Support
>>51513101
>Is the insanely variable frame times fixed?
4 Years ago
>Does Crossfire work for all games?
Does SLI work with all games?
>How about Crossfire scaling?
Far, far better than SLI scaling
>Does it make Freesync less of a piece of shit?
It's just as good as G-sync unless you think paying more money == more good.
>>51513147
I think AMDrones should be mad at AMD for not providing these updates sooner and with more regularity before. It's absolutely not acceptable for a company to dump products with known issues and not fix them until enough of their customers jump ship to a better company.
>>51513176
> It's absolutely not acceptable for a company to dump products with known issues and not fix them until enough of their customers jump ship to a better company.
Please explain the GTX970.
>>51513170
>4 Years ago
Kek, play GTA V or even Battlefield 4 on a R9 300 card.
>Does SLI work with all games?
It works more consistently on most games without stuttering or scaling issues that plague most Crossfire profiles. See Far Cry 4 and Witcher 3.
>Far, far better than SLI scaling
See above. They might occasionally have higher maximum frames, but they also have the lowest minimum frames and horrendous frame times.
>It's just as good as G-sync unless you think paying more money == more good.
No, I think paying money for a product that just works is smarter than cheaping out on an inferior product that's infrequently supported by the manufacturer.
Radeon Crimson is a service all AMDrones should have had since 2013.
>>51513189
I'll give you that one, but one mistake does not redeem the mistakes of others.
>>51513101
>implying sli can scale
lmao
>>51513170
>It's just as good as G-sync
No, it's better than G-sync. The fps range at which it works is much larger than nvidia's g-sync.
>>51513147
>FreeSync planned for HDMI (though not implemented yet)
Does this mean the next hdmi standard will do freesync? Does these mean freesync tvs and next gen consoles?
Honestly guys is it really fucking worth it to go into all this fuss for a few frames difference that you'd never notice anyway.
>>51513227
>you actually believe the bullshit being produced by one company somehow negates the bullshit putout by another company
toppest kek
>>51513284
I think it's worth upgrading... to Nvidia and its superior features.
>>51513288
Admit it, you needed Crimson years ago. They're only giving you this sort of service NOW after years of jerking off into their own money sink.
>>51513141
>Except it didn't decrease compared to new cards, it simply decreased.
Prove it.
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=400385
>>51513147
>Except their performance decreased in terms of absolute values.
Prove it.
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=400385
>>51513301
at least their driver updates didn't break GPUs.
or gimp performance in a wide range of games.
at least when AMD says 4gb of DDR5 ram, you get the full 4gb. not come kek 512mb slower than DDR2 bullshit tacked onto it.
>paying for something that was stolen from freesync just to charge retarded keks extra
>paying a company which buys up free open software just to force devs to work harder on their games while making everyone pay extra for something that was supposed to be free (physx, freesync)
nvidya is run by some horrid assholes. and they don't care how detrimental they are to games, gamers or the market as a whole
>>51513301
>superior features.
Shilling this hard.
>>51513389
Is there something like this for the 770?
>>51512452
Given that Crimson driver turned my 40-144Hz Freesync into a 40-60Hz Freesync, and given you can no longer target lock FPS without disabling Freesync...
the AMD driver meme is still very much alive and kicking
>>51512809
Wow so that would put something like Assassin's Creed II at around 400fps. Good work nvidia.
>>51513407
>at least their driver updates didn't break GPUs.
Those were not even a 1% of all GPUs sold during that time. Don't act like it was common to see GPUs fry themselves because of a bad driver. That's like saying all white men are good because of a few okay examples.
>or gimp performance in a wide range of games.
Demonstrably false. 700-series cards now perform better than their release state. And surprise surprise, older cards with now obsolete GPUs are weaker than their newer counterparts.
AMD didn't gimp its 7970 GHz, it just got outmuscled by better cards.
>at least when AMD says 4gb of DDR5 ram
I completely agree with you. And yet the 970 is still better at 1080p than the 390 is. The 390 doesn't even use half of its VRAM at 4K anyway, even when Crossfired.
And yet you pay almost $100 more for it over a 290. $100 for extra VRAM, that seems like a rip-off.
>nvidya is run by some horrid assholes
At least those assholes got shit done, unlike AMD and their "good intentions".
>>51513141
>nvidia purposefully gimps last generation cards
amd shills actually believe this?
>>51513389
I'm getting insanely more stutter on my 670 on games that ran at a constant 60.
>>51513521
your gpu is just dying, next time learn to take proper care of your pc hardware
>>51513500
so much for 4 fps increase every driver release
>>51513500
My Maxwell 860M/960M is not a "DX11" card anymore if I use drivers that have came out in the past 6 months.
I literally cannot play BF, BO3, or FO4 with old drivers either.
Nvidia told me to fuck off and buy a new GPU.
They are worse than the fucking nazis.
Used to own 2 gtx 670s. Moved onto xfire 290s. Then a single r9 390 because one of the cards died and this was my RMA. At 1440p, fallout 4 uses between 5-6gb if vram on ultra. This is with godrays turned off, and tesselation turned off via CCC. Having the ability to contril tesselation when the game doesnt have the option to change it is an awesome thing.
I dont think nvidia is gimping older cards via drivers as my sli 670s were great. It is just I think they purposely over do it with tesselation in newer games. Kind of their veraion of a "nudge" to buy their newer stuff.
Honestly of the 980ti wasn't so much damned money I'd get one. But $300 for my r9 390 which is great compared to $600 for a few fps more in the same games I already play. Not worth it.
Everyone just needs to chill. Live and let live. For instance, while I love my 390, I miss the overclocking capabilities of my nvidia cards. Stock 915mhz core clock that could buzz up to 1250mhz core with only a tiny voltage bump. This was baseclocl too. Not boost.
Meanwhile my 390 can't do 1100mhz from the stock 1030mhz without a significant voltage bump.
AMD AMD AMD
GO FORWARD AND DEFEAT YOUR ENEMIES!
Nvidia's cards age like milk
AMD's cards age like wine
B^)
>>51514149
How were the two 670s? I'm trying to chase down a second hand 670 to go with my current one while I wait for Pascal. What size PSU do I need?
>>51514003
To be fair AMD isn't that much better either.
Both companies have FPS increase but Nvidia seems to do it in less software updates compared to AMD, also Nvidia cards now run almost perfectly on release day with new games and there isn't any left extra performance to get out of those cards unlike AMD's which run bad on release and then get better which makes Nvidia look bad because AMD has those "20% increase performance" even though Nvidia had performance on day 0 and pretty much all boils down to marketing.
>>51514294
They were great but they were starting to lack in newer titles because of the 2gb vram.
I had them sli with an overclocked fx-6300 cpu on a mid tier 750 watt corsair.
They only use like 170 watts each stock.
>>51514316
I should be fine with a 650watt PSU, but I feel like I'd be pushing it.
No one wants to sell lower than $200 (AUD) though, which sounds like way too much.
>>51514303
This is what most recent cards look like, there aren't many drivers to test across with new cards because you can't install old drivers with those cards as they are not supported.
Nvidia seems to have nailed down the optimization with games on release day with Game Ready drivers which also explains why Nvidia has so many driver side branches to experiment and one main branch to merge all the good changes things that come out of the side branches
>>51512809
They release drivers with new games because they pay those companies for priority access and so they can slap gameworks shit in them no one wants.
>>51514149
>At 1440p, fallout 4 uses between 5-6gb if vram on ultra
lol no it doesn't
>>51514376
and this is what before "game ready" drivers were introduced.
>>51514365
Yea. Just hold out with your single card for now. 670 sli is good but not worth an arm and a leg to get it.
I still have my 670s actually. Both with full cover EK waterblocks and backplates. Refused to sell them because everyone was offering chump change. Theyre an ornament now.
>>51513101
>Does Crossfire work for all games?
AMD has no control over that
>How about Crossfire scaling? Does it no longer stutter like Michael J Fox?
Crossfire has had better scaling than SLI for some time now, probably because they did away with the bridge
>Does it make Freesync less of a piece of shit?
That's on display manufacturers to implement correctly and there are now a ton of free-sync displays with the full range of the panels they're on
>>51513500
It was the Witcher 3 that had the FPS loss for older cards
>>51514149
Fallout 4 textures don't actually matter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USaYD-FZQ04
>>51514426
a bug in Kepler which was fixed with a driver update now it runs fine with all the goyworks enabled compared to Maxwell cards which have hardware dedicated for some cards.
>>51514446
A "bug" Which they "fixed" I have a hard time believing they didn't think to test older cards before releasing the driver
>>51514390
According to the msi afterburner overlay I had it does. 5.45gb actually. Maybe it is wrong?
>>51514442
On mobile. Cant watch. Guessing that texture level doesnt effect ram usage? Is that what youre saying? Not contesting, but I never paid attention. Just that when godrays turned off and tesselation off, my min fps went from dropping to as low as 30 to maybe as low as 38-39 in those same areas.
>>51514446
Drive regression is something both companies suffer from but is more prevalent with AMD which could be caused by the high cpu overhead amd suffers from, which is something omega somehow alleviated but still not at Nvidia levels, so in the end AMD is the one "gimping cards" thanks to this problem and Nvidia's regressions is mostly because the plugins Nvidia uses to run the DirectX features on their hardware are custom plugins made to fit their architecture more effectively which obviously has side effect only work on the architecture they are designed with which helps with cpu overhead, and the fact that Nvidia has too many teams working on so many drivers branches at the same time, sometimes there is stuff that was broken on one the side branches, then the fix was introduced into the main branch but never into the side branches and later one of those side branches was designated as the new main branch and was lacking the fix from the old main branch
>>51514574
>I have a hard time believing they didn't think to test older cards before releasing the driver
heh, you should then be very surprised by AMD's as there are tons of complains on guru3d of stuff the just newly released driver broke.
>>51514659
No the guy tested all the texture levels and there was pretty much no difference aside from how much RAM was used, like they all looked the same
>>51513472
Go to display settings in windows and set the refresh rate higher, dummy
>>51514675
Not surprising. It is Bethesda after all. Hoping the mod community comes through. Wamt custom armor/weapon skins. Better crafting. New gun mods etc.
Also stuff like better skies, weather, atmosphere, and an actual survivial mode. Not their version which is garbage.
If bethesda and steam makes mods paid for only, theyre shooting themselves in the foot.
>>51513500
>nvidiots in charge of knowing what they are talking about
nobody is saying they literally release drivers that performs worse than the old ones. They mean nvidia's new cards get optimizations the old cards do not while AMD doesn't do this, so the comparative performance between AMD and nvidia cards increases in favor of AMD over time. 7950>680 now while when both were on the market 680 costed 2x as much as the 7950.
>buy amd thinkpad
>want to support little guy
>performance pretty good for price
>/g/ was right about driver performance
>new drivers when
>pissed at amd
>come back from vacation without a phone for a week
>new software and drivers
>they are actually good and were working on something good
thank you based amd
thank you based jim
>>51513472
>>51514734
#rekt
>>51514764
Which thinkpad? Always wanted one. Is it their E series? How is it? What cpu? Been trying to find an E550 with amd fx-7500 cpu but theyre impossible to find in the states.
>>51512452
zen when
I can't afford a 980 nor do I want to support Nvida after the whole 970bs.
I have the choice between a 290,290x, or 390. Which do I go with. I play 1080p currently but will be moving to 1440p in the life of the card.
I'm currently running a 1gb 6870.
>>51515028
390
>>51515047
Any reason why? I don't play on Ultra, I just want the card to not be obsolete in 3 or 4 years. I've been running the 6870 that long.
>>51515085
380 or 380x and wait for 14nm gpus
>>51515085
Well the 390 is simply the choice that makes most sense. You didn't mention budget. If you'd prefer to spend less, then whichever card is cheapest (probably 290) will do you well. 290 is still a great card.
>>51515132
Been waiting to upgrade since 280x came out.
>>51515136
I listed the 3 most expensive AMD cards I can afford. 400 is too much. Looking around 300, since I have to upgrade PSU as well. Only have a SeaSonic 520w, with a 3470 i5 and 8gb of ram
>>51515225
If I were you I'd skip upgrading the psu and get the 380x. A nice 520 watt unit would be fine for an i5+380x, it's quite power efficient and should hold you over until you get your new card.
>>51515261
Why not just go 390?
>tfw you believed in AMD
>>51515313
You might be able to run a 390 on your PSU, it's gonna be right on the edge though. I'm running an overclocked 290 and an overclocked 4690K and my setup draws about 500W under full CPU + GPU load from the wall.
>>51515313
Because that would be cutting it too close in terms of watt usage, in my opinion.
>>51515337
I don't overclock my cpu obviously. Wouldn't really need to overclock the 390. I can afford to upgrade the psu and the 620 watt seasonic is only about 50 dollars.
>>51515371
Then you'll be more satisfied in the long run with the 390 and upgraded psu.
>>51515384
Finally someone answers my question. Too many people just tell me to go 980.
>>51515464
the 980 has terrible price/performance ratio, it's a pretty bad buy. The only cards I'd consider buying from Nvidia are the 750ti, 950, and 980ti.
>>51515487
buying anything high end now is stupid.
after like 4 years of being stuck on 28nm GPUs, we're finally getting 14/16nm ones next summer with basically 2x FLOPS/watt and FLOPS/mm^2.
>>51515574
With the amount of people who are going to still be running old tech I don't see it having a large effect on the industry for awhile.
>>51512452
>Ultra - God Rays High
Yeah... calling bullshit on that one. I still lag like a mofo at 1080p whenever I enter any crowded or urban areas on an R9 390x & i5. Also nowhere does it mention the annoying flickering compass.
>>51515574
when we went from 40nm to 28nm was there a big different to merit buying a whole new card?
>>51518196
yes. over doubling of performance at the same TDP.
>>51518231
at a price point of?
>>51518275
almost double at release but sharply dropped off after yields improved and competition was met.
