>How to request purchase advice:
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>$200 and under headphones:
http://pastebin.com/CCQCUv5e
>$200 and over headphones:
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>Earphones /g/uide:
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>/g/ wiki headphone FAQ:
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>Previous thread:
>>51405613
>>51426917
>that picture
>literally autism condensated.
Are you a renowned and respected head-fi/reddit user?
So which headphones should i get for around 350 dollars for bassy hip hop?
I will check on the X2 one more time but is the any other headphone out there?
>>51426917
>Ignore shit taste
Well you posted Azusa so I guess I have to ignore the thread
>>51427009
This is the third time you're asking the same question.
>>51426917
Do I abide by your rules, OP-kun?
>>51427009
MrSpeakers Mad Dogs
if its shit at least it has good resell value....right? going from HD 598 to this
Can anyone tell me how much the shp9500s leak? Im looking to get a pair and i listen to music in public often
>>51427028
I need answers man cx
Is DT990 or 880 something to get?
>>51427121
Arn't they completley open? Meaning they have no isolation whatsoever?
>>51427188
They will leak sound and it depends on sound volume.
>>51427028
>implying those who are trying to find out what to buy and aren't satisfied with the answer they receive won't stick to the thread until they get to a resolution.
>>51427166
Yeah
>>51427052
Hopefully. I see a lot of people selling their HD800's recently. Probably because HD800S is coming but a mint HD800 could still sell for $800.
>>51427052
Could have just bought a DT880 for the same thing
My AKG702 memephones sure let me shitpost in comfort and style
Thanks, hpg
>>51427357
I got answers that i didnt ask for
But whatever, i will check the X2 out tomorrow and if i aint satisifed with it il just go for DT880. Any ideas on how to increase the clamping force on the X2? Is there changeable pads for them?
>>51427009
fidelio L1/2
SRH1540
hp50
m100
>>51427046
ehh, I would describe the mad dogs as more warm/laid back than outright bassy.
with all these drugs in my system be hard to keep my attention
>>51427121
a lot since they're completely open. plus imo the signature does not really lend itself to public noise. definitely not a portable headphone.
>>51427600
you wanted bass, right? forget the 880 then. it has better extension than the 600 but it is not bassy.
You got some shit headphones senpaitachi
Ordered Xiaomi Pistons 3 and their new Hybrid in-ears, what should I expect?
So I've been a HD558 owner for a few years and it's kind of disappointing that diminishing returns kick in heavily after these.
The HD600/HD650 might be more neutral but marginally so.
HD800, DT880 and K702 all have artificial treble which I cannot stand.
X2 sounded too boomy for my tastes.
I have this itch to upgrade but there seems like no product on the market which will give me a major leap in sound quality for any price.
>>51427831
Get HE400i when it goes on sale.
picked up the kz ate's, sr850's this week. good purchases? I'm loving the sr850's so far
What are the best aftermarket pads for the Sony MDR-7506/V6?
>>51427892
For $35, it's simply impossible to get a better product. I hope reddit doesn't discover it and the price spikes up like it did to a certain meme headphone.
>>51427600
>Any ideas on how to increase the clamping force on the X2?
This is the only way to apply a force that will also improve the clamping in a simple way, but it will also make the headband stiffer. Actually I'm not sure it will increase the clamping force...
>>51427900
auray sheepskin for isolation and bass. dt-250 for soft velour that won't make your ears sweat but they do reduce bass a bit, just eq it back up. I use dt-250 pads and love them.
>>51427959
>reduce bass a bit
It kills the mid-bass which humans use to normalize volume, it makes music lack body and perceptibly makes the sub-bass, upper midrange and treble louder.
>>51427945
that will just make the headband tighter, it won't make the sides clamp harder on the head. to do that you would have to stretch the metal bands inwards, which is a tall order considering the build quality, it's much easier with headphones like the m50 that have a thin, flat metal band inside. I have done it with my 668b which have similar metal "pipes" with a suspension system and it took a good amount of force, and those metal pipes are about half as thick as the ones on the x2.
Velour earpads on sale on Massdrop for $20 (MSRP $35), was planning on picking a pair up for my M50s. Is getting one of them worth it, or where could I find a better version online? I don't really mind too much for a slight bass decrease if it increases overall comfort. Link below is the one that they're selling.
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/AT-135409020-VELVET#
Anyone have the latest Xiaomi earbuds (Iron Ring) yet?
>Budget
$30
>Location
US
>Main source
1+1 and PC
>Preferred type of headphone
IEMs for portability
>Preferred music
Instrumental, electronic, bassy
>>51426957
Looking between KZ ED9 and either the Piston 2 or 3. Probably just going to get the cheaper one, I've seen from other threads they're basically the same. Are there any other IEM's that fit around that price range before I pull the trigger?
>>51426917
Is there a good infographic for buying a desk mic? I really just need something to talk on Mumble with while gaming. Either that or can someone suggest a good desk mic?
The one I have right now works really intermittently and is battery powered. I guess it doesn't draw enough from the sound card. The battery goes out almost all the time and I hate having to replace it.
Can you recommend me some earphones for my wife's son?
The beats his dad bought him broke recently.
I have sennheiser 518's right now
Should I upgrade or get an amplifier?
>>51428664
amp won't make a difference.
>>51428579
Maybe this guide.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JmUFMUDMP1iSx_9EqeO__dn9r0XM2tT2PKu4rCyu2Us/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true
>>51428664
Amplifiers won't help you.
>>51428673
Thank you
>>51428721
top-tier waifu sempai
>>51428584
How about V-Moda?
>>51426917
>Budget 200
>Location Niggerville usa
>Source xbox one
>Preferred type of headphone fullsize
>Open or closed open
>Comfort level sound is my top priority
>Preferred tonal balance halo 5
>Preferred music halo 5
>Past headphones some shitty turtle beaches
Note: I'm fine with buying an third party mic to go with the headphones. I'm sort of convinced "gaming headphones" with built in mic are a rip off.
Please halp
>Budget
$48
>Location
US
>Source
Ipod Classic, Laptop, iPhone
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
I wanna be real comfy.
>Preferred music
Ambient, Music to listen to while in a forest, alone, taking LSD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJg5tY8QZLk
>Past headphones
That one open Audio Techinica pair of headphones that everyone all over /mu/ and /g/ liked. They were really popular 1-2 years ago, I don't know if they still are, i forgot the name of them. They were around $100-200, although they were consistently on sale for under $130 They were nice for ambient music like stars of the lid. They were kinda comfy too. My sister broke them on accident.
Vsonic somethings IEM i got for around $40 about 3-4 months ago. They were quite nice, although not too durable, they broke a week ago. I don't have too many complaints, they were probably the best IEMs i owned.
hey guys pleb here, been looking at wireless earphones, want decent ones with at least 8 hours play time
these seem alright, Audio-Technica ATH-ANC40BT
$200 aud, worth it?
What amp and dac should I get with the HD 600?
>>51429428
don't need either
>>51429437
you do need an amp to power up the HD 600
>>51429467
no, you don't, they're efficient
>>51429520
I feel like I'm being trolled
>>51429520
Mayflower ODAC+O2 or the Magni + Modi combo?
>>51429526
>>51429547
learn how electronics work
expensive doesn't mean they're harder to drive and need a more powerful amp
>>51429562
so the HD600 doesn't need an amp or DAC even though it requires 600ohm for its full potential?
>>51429584
>even though it requires 600ohm for its full potential
you're seriously fucking retarded
>>51429593
better curse at me than correct me. :) gud god
>>51429626
not only did you get their impedance wrong, you think that high impedance automatically means harder to drive.
either read this and learn something
https://web.archive.org/web/20150907020234/http://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/news/14017381-headphone-impedance-and-sensitivity
or leave
Slight update, might get the Hifiman HE400i on black Friday.
>>51429652
>but they really shine when driven from a high-quality headphone amplifier.
thats what I saw about the HD 650
>>51429700
muh scaling amirite ;)
>>51429711
shut up :)
>>51427932
>>51427932
which meme headphone would that be
Need new (lol xdghz edition ) gaming headphones.
How well would these handle?
Is 7.1 stereo in headphones a meme?
I know nothing about headphones
Why don't you have a electrostatic headphone yet /g/?
>>51426917
>http://pastebin.com/CCQCUv5e
This pastebin says that ATH M40x is 'bassy' while the official site says that it is flat. Which one is the correct one?
>>51429878
Can't even tell if this is bait.
Oh well...
>Need new (lol xdghz edition ) gaming headphones
Don't buy anything that has "gaming" in the title
>How well would these handle?
Awfully.
>Is 7.1 stereo in headphones a meme?
It's not even a meme: it's just marketing mumbo jumbo.
>>51429904
Because leather/pleather pads aren't comfortable for me and I don't want a fat chunky estat amp on my desk
>>51429904
I'm too smart to fall for audiophoolery memes.
Best wireless earbuds for around $50-100$?
They don't need to be the best, just for the budget
>>51430087
eyes
>>51429904
Why should I get one in the first place?
>>51430087
In the earphone paste, Sony SBH80.
>>51429928
why do they have to have leather pads?
>>51430561
Because proper seals are vital to estats and planars
>>51430569
even thought theyre open design? or are they? they look it.
sorry, dont know shit
>>51430561
Electrostatic headphone earpad physics simulation:
>http://www.head-fi.org/t/498292/my-diy-electrostatic-headphones/585#post_8738868
>>51430569
In practice, more the E-stats. Planar magnetic varies from unaffected above 30 Hz to a more substantial bass loss.
so I recently bought some Beyerdyanmic Custom One Pros and I have a little problem:
there is a very quiet hissing/white noise when the headphones are plugged in. do I need a better soundcard since i'm using onboard sound?
or should I get a DAC?
>>51430755
yep, you need a dac.
>>51430768
dac/amp*
>>51430683
Only the back is open. The cavity facing the ear is airtight, or at least it should be.
It operates on the principle of a pressure chamber, and it is difficult to compress the chamber if the air can quickly and freely flow out faster than the slow signal, lower frequencies in other words. The sealed air cavity is also a spring that affects the motion of the driver, the headphone acoustics will be built with this in mind.
>>51430755
A cheap DAC/amp will do the trick.
>>51430820
uh what? no, he needs a dac. unless he also needs amping... but theres no indication of such.
>>51430768
>>51430879
http://www.amazon.com/FiiO-E10K-Headphone-Amplifier-Black/dp/B00LP3AMC2/
is this good enough?
Here's an update on my recently acquired ER-4PT because I didn't mention the differences with and without the S adapter. You must use the shirt clip with some slack in the cord or you get microphonics or cable noise. The S adapter is for music, without it I cannot hear the extended higher frequencies. The S adapter is bad for anime because it makes characters sound compressed and very thin sounding.
If you wanna hate on me, do whatever you want. I'm just telling you all what my ears hear. Any Etymotics are not worth purchasing at all period because they do not extend past 15-16kHz. Unless you have the S adapter and you want max noise-isolation. I heard the HF5 sounds similar to my ER-4P without S adapter. I saw the previous thread that somebody was recommending it... What the heck. So the HF5 is good enough for vocals. The S adapter again makes vocals sound thin sounding but it's excellent for music as I can hear higher frequencies.
>>51429696
About the HE-400i. Don't say I didn't warn you. If you check /g/'s archives I keep on saying it sounds boring. To explain further my HE-400i sounds lifeless and you should only buy a HE-400i if you like listening to the extended bass and kinda distant vocals. Also the immediate difference when comparing the SHP9500 to the HE-400i is that the 400i sounds smaller in headstage feel. Take my word on it, I am kinda jealous Hifiman does not stick to their prices. I'm not a shill, just chill don't bully. HE-400i still sounds awesome and a bit colored if you want a basic planar. IMO it's boring sounding but I'm keeping mine because it's the only planar I have.
>>51430892
plugging headphones directly into a dac is the highest level of stupidity
>>51430905
>Any Etymotics are not worth purchasing at all period because they do not extend past 15-16kHz
Literally doesn't matter you utter fuckwit, next you're going to tell me you always set your dac to 24/192 on your PC
>>51430913
.... why?
is this bait or something? if it doesnt get loud enough, get an amp. damn, such logic
>>51430933
You're a bully. Of course not. I'm sticking to helping anons on /a/ then brand rivalry shills on /hpg/ https://desustorage.org/a/thread/133706137/#q133710198
>>51430944
do you even know what the output impedance on a typical dac is?
holy fuck you're an idiot, don't bother giving advice when you don't know what you're talking about
is amazon the best place to purchase some stax headphones... budget $500
http://www.amazon.com/Stax-Srs2170/dp/B0043HPD0I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1447993590&sr=8-2&keywords=stax
>>51430950
You probably piss them off with your reddity bullshit and blatant newfaggotry more than us considering how autistic /a/ is
>>51430895
On paper.
>>51430905
>Any Etymotics are not worth purchasing at all period because they do not extend past 15-16kHz
>Any
This isn't true. It's also your fault for buying into the ER-4 over the HF series.
>>51430965
Order from pricejapan, Yahoo auctions with forwarding service, or some head-fi/local classifieds. Japanese mains electricity is weird, so buying into amplifiers from Japan will have issues.
>>51430905
See, about the 400i. I only want something that surpasses what the SHP9500 can do. I'm looking for a high end open headphone and i was thinking the 400i would be the best choice. What i mean by surpass is something that retrieves more detail, remains as neutral as the SHP9500, and has better bass extension. I consider neutral to be enjoyable, like i see the SHP9500. Are the 400i that really life sucking?
>>51431028
does that really make that much of a difference? price japan or from a 3rd party vendor on amazon... I know I should get something to convert the electricity
>>51431061
Don't listen to tripfags. They all lie.
>>51431121
If you're buying that SRS-2170 the amp only comes in 110V so if you're in the states you won't need one
>>51431139
Yeah i read the rest of the post and mentioned the 'do not extend past 15-16kHz' part and threw his opinion in the trash.
>>51431140
what about the amazon vs price japan thing, if anything price japan seems more expensive...
>>51431121
The mains voltage is handled by the wall wart with the SRM-252. The amplifier itself is DC powered.
A step down transformer will be needed to use the other STAX amplifiers with fully self-contained power supplies.
>>51431262
Amazon is cheaper now, so go Amazon
>>51430957
what should I buy then? is there a good DAC/amp combo you guys recommend?
>>51431364
Fiio e07k, schiit fulla, but there are way too many to keep track of.
You want the DAC to deal with the noise, but a DAC can't drive a headphone directly without an amplifier.
>>51431416
Why? Did every music player(including soundcard) have its own AMP? Is it using external AMP will overkill on easy driven headphone
Got these the other day, did I do good /g/?
>>51431463
not at all
>>51431458
A partial explanation is that DAC outputs are not the right impedance for a headphone. They are designed to be terminated with an amplifier.
>Did every music player(including soundcard) have its own amp
Likely a very cheap amplifier circuit, which may or may not be good enough depending on the headphone, but yes.
>external amp will overkill on easy driven headphone
If you only have a DAC, you need even a little amp to get a decent voltage into the headphone. Otherwise, if it loud enough, it is pretty much good enough. There are more things that can be discussed about amplifiers of course.
For budget headphones is the lacking bass of opens worth it or is it better to go for closed headphones with a better tone?
>>51431652
i dont think the takstar hi2050's have bad bass.
>>51431463
You did excellent, anyone who tells you otherwise is a butthurt shill that works for free on this board.
>>51430905
Etymotic themselves claimed that the HF5 gives identical sound quality to the ER-4PT / ER-4P.
If you owned HF5 why bother with ER-4?
>>51431560
Can you explain further about this? Did DAC can colorized sound too without AMP? Because my IEM's bass sound recessed if I plug it to DAC.
Just got a pair of AKG K267 Tiesto's. Previously had M50's and these shit all over them. What kind of AMP should I buy? My receiver keeps tripping the breaker in my room, and I don't like how quiet they are and they sound better in general from my receiver to me. It's an old receiver so I'm sure anything will be better than it (TEAC AG-V1200).
Would love to be able to hook up my speakers to the amp as well; I have two sets of floor standings. But if that's not possible that's fine.
>Budget
$100 max for DAC/AMP.
>Location
US
>Source
Mainly my PC that has an MSI Z97M. Do I need a sound card too?
>>51431816
nice meme
>trying to sell he-400i on ebay for $300
>get a buyer
>have to send it to Hawaii
FUCK this is going to cost more to ship to that island right? I said i would use UPS
Thoughts on these for public transportation? I don't feel like sticking gummy earbuds in my ear and I don't like wearing headphones in public.
http://www.amazon.ca/Philips-Adjustable-Earclip-Headphones-SHS4700/dp/B003DKL57G
>>51431830
Thanks so much for the help, anon.
>>51431850
If you don`t wear headphones because they make one look like an idiot, those things are probably on par with headphones.
>>51431784
DAC are designed with high output impedance. They aren't meant to have the needed current supplies to drive actual loads, and the output impedance is one way of making sure of that.
So, if there was enough voltage leftover at the headphone itself, there would likely be a coloration. A little tired to go into a better explanation.
What IEM?
>>51432034
Sony xba-100, it just come out recently. I don't know if the bass extension rolled or recessed bass. The bass sound thin and weaker if I plug it into my DAC.
is akg y55 worthwhile for 55 bucks? use on bus train etc.
What /hpg/ thinks about Shure srh-440
>>51431463
Yes, they're great for gayming
Are there any amps known to go well with the K7XX's?
>>51432272
kek
>>51432281
double kek
>>51432281
No amps work well with the AKG K7XX >
They're great headphones, but they're well known for being absolutely undrivable and for sucking the entire energy out of a power plant.
>>51432154
That is a predictable effect, caused by the voltage division.
When you have impedances (Z) in a circuit, the voltage is divided in proportion to the impedance of the components in series ,the links in a daisy chain.
You can represent the output Z as its own link in the chain after a ideally zero impedance source.
So if the source is putting out 0.5 Volts, the amplifier Zout is 5 Ohms at whatever frequency, and the load headphone has 45 Ohm at the same frequency, the headphone gets 0.45 Volts and the rest is being wasted in the amp.
If the load drops to 5 ohms at a different frequency, then it only gets 0.25 Volts at that frequency.
XBA-100 is a balanced armature and all single driver balanced armatures have sharply rising Z in the highs after the lower relative Z in the bass. Therefore, more voltage gets to the drive unit in the highs, while less voltage to the lows. So we can totally see that coming if you plugged it into the the high Z outputs of a DAC.
>>51432306
It's funny how headphones work; 62 ohms doesn't seem that high however majority agrees that they require good amplification to sound best.
>>51432360
how do you head-fi idiots keep managing to find these threads
>>51431762
He is a retarded trip?
>>51432343
I get the gist of it. Based on your explanation, is it can explain why all of single balanced armature have shit bass extension, isn't it? Because of the rising Z in the highs.
How does multiple balanced armatures works then?
>>51429912
it's on the bassy side of neutral, just slightly. compared to the xpt100 which is often recommended as neutral at the same price, it is slightly on the bright side of neutral. both are quite close to sounding neutral but they do not sound the same.
>>51432375
It does not make much sense to me but that's what I often read about AKG headphones in general. I don't have an amp to test it myself so I was looking for some knowledgable input
>>51432495
impedance has little to do with how hard they are to drive. high impedance basically just means more voltage, less current
>>51432504
What parameter did you use to know the headphone needs to drive or not. I know for one despite having little impedance, audeze isn't easy to drive
>>51429904
meme headphones for people who jizz over brightness and the unreasonable effort in buying them and getting a good amp.
>muh realistic highs.
>>51432524
sensitivity
direct link detected as spam so http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nwavguy+more+power%3F&l=1
>>51430905
I cannot understand the praise for etymotic given the measurements and the build and comfort. they figuratively and literally rape your ears, and then fall apart. they're overpriced and sound like a hearing aid, no bass.
how the fuck can people call them neutral?
>>51431652
or just get the x2 which is open and has bass
>>51432665
>mid-bass heavy
>no subbass
disgusting
>>51432665
"Budget"
>>51431816
o2 or magni, fiio e10k if you need the dac as well, though the line out from your PC should be fine. keep the speakers separate. to avoid tripping the breaker try powering the speakers using an outlet on a different line, run an extension cord if you have to.
>>51431678
Unfortunately they don't ship to my country, the next best for me is the ath-tad500s but they have that classic budget open bass.
>>51432680
and what are these amazing subbass headphones you know of?
>>51432718
planars, dt990 probably have the least roll off as far as cheap open dynamics go
>>51432723
what are your favorite planars?
>>51432685
why would you post expensive shures then? 681 evo then I guess but it has massive amounts of bass, probably too much for most.
>>51432680
no shit they're fucking open. still, only the lowest registers are below neutral, the bass hump deals with the roll-off well, they don't fall off a below-neutral cliff like most open headphones when it comes to bass.
>>51432469
>is it can explain why all of single balanced armature have shit bass extension, isn't it?
No, because from a better output the difference will be, for the sake of an example, 0.1 Volts and 0.098 Volts, not an issue. They might have other acoustic issues such as leak, or be too strongly tuned to high frequencies.
Multiple balanced armatures are made using additional components in parallel with each other. Capacitors and resistors are used to restrict the output, filters out one part of the frequency range so that a another driver can hopefully do a better job. There's a lot more to building a good crossover, but the additional components added put multiple dips and peaks in the headphone impedance curve. The same principle of voltage division applies to the total of the impedance of the crossovers and wired drive units, the entire system at once.
>>51432524
Voltage sensitivity, FR, current requirements.
You can describe powering a headphone in terms of voltage. This is what normal and sane amplifier tries to do, supply voltage as evenly as possible. Sensitivity is best given in voltage, since stuff like power will vary over frequency.
Frequency response measurement are taken from these amplifiers that supply a constant voltage to a headphone. The measurement tells you the headphone frequency balance, from which you figure out the effect on subjective loudness. It will give you an expectation of overhead voltage you need if you buy these to EQ with.
Current requirements are specifically an issue for low impedance headphones. As stated before, the ratio of current to voltage with low Z loads is higher, but the amplifier has only so much current supply without distortion. Higher impedance headphones, if they are sensitive enough, are actually easier loads on the amplifier.
>>51432735
Code-X HE-5
>>51432595
They still sound good. And it's true that if you use the ER-4S adapter with Tri-Flange tips you can trick yourself into listening to loud volumes to compensate for the compressed sound.
>>51431463
delicious mids and soundstage/sense of space, detailed. amazing comfort as well. bass and upper mids sound lacking though, and there is a tiny bit of veil. if you're used to bassier or more v-shaped headphones and listen to rock, metal, electronic, portions of the music sound distant. I use mine for vocal and acoustic stuff like podcasts, streams, audiobooks, radio, classical, jazz, trance with female vocals high in the mix also sounds great.
>>51432749
>no shit they're fucking open
x2 have a pretty heavy subbass rolloff compared to many open dynamics
>>51432871
give an example of open headphones with good extension into the sub-bass.
>>51432772
At very low volume on my O2, I feel my IEM sounds imbalance and when I tune it higher. It sounds too loud for my hear. Should I try to decrease digital volume in my music player to solve this?
Anyway, did noise floor can be decreased with AMP. I keep hear that more expensive AMP from example, cypher labs. Have a very low noise floor. My point is, can noise floor existed while listening to music? Or my definition to noise floor is wrong.
>>51432887
dt990, hd800
>>51432526
How is the sr007 bright?
R E M I N D E R
THIS TOO
>>51432832
where do you buy these? cant findem on amazon
>>51432954
They're DIY modded HE-5s, you have to send some HE-5s to the guy to do it for you
>>51433004
oh i see, interesting. so have you done this yourself?
>>51430933
>>51431028
>>51431147
See >>51432857
Tripfags are still liars to be honest family.
>>51432899
the 990 has a huge bass hump and the hd800 starts rolling off at like 100hz. "well extended" bass is going to be negated by peaks in other areas is the bass is below neutral in comparison. besides the treble peaks of both make it impossible to appreciate the bass because of how fatiguing they are.
>>51433029
nice shitpost and terrible damage control, x2shill
the point isn't where it starts rolling off, it's how steep the rolloff is. x2 is -5dB @20hz, hd800 is not down at all
>>51432869
>delicious mids
tin can mids*
>>51432749
I said budget, the image should be taken to be more important than what i was actually saying..
>>51429165
no wireless anything is good
>>51433138
Should I get ATH M40x or HD 439 (both are between my budget), or neither?
>>51433221
Didn't mean to quote, sorry...
Are bluetooth in ear headphones less prone to break?
It pisses me off that I have to buy new earphones every 3-6 months....
>>51433221
neither lol
>>51433046
>hd800 is not down at all
that delusion. it's down compared to everything else. it does matter when it starts rolling off, because rolled off bass sounds like ass especially when combined with the ear-rape sound of the hd800. who cares if the bass is extended relative to it's own roll off? it's still below neutral by 100hz and therefor shit. a headphone with steeper roll off but with bass at neutral or above where it matters is always going to sound better than a headphone that is extended but has below-neutral bass where it counts. besides when you take into account variations in measurements you can't say for sure that the hd800 is better extended than the x2, the ones I have looked at have them about the same.
>>51433567
what in the actual fuck are you talking about? on a graph normalized at 1khz, the 20hz response of the hd800 is on the same level
like no, seriously, what in the actual fuck are you talking about? relative to it's own roll-off? are you fucking retarded.
>besides when you take into account variations in measurements you can't say for sure that the hd800 is better extended than the x2, the ones I have looked at have them about the same.
jesus fuck you're delusional
Hello lads, I've had a pair of ATH-M50 (original corded version) for 3 years now, and I love the sound but recently I've lost sound in the right ear. I've been considering getting the ATH-M50x as a replacement, but are there any better headphones with a similar sound in the $100-$300 price range? I read reviews for some of the headphones in the guides but I'm not really sold on any of them.
>>51433583
like really, i'm not even trying to shill the hd800, i don't like them myself, but trying to insinuate that the x2's shitty roll-off is a trait of all open dynamics as an excuse for them is ridiculous
(hd800 on the left, x2 on the right)
>>51433610
You could get the hd600, dt880 or 990, x2 if that's your thing. If your looking for something closed the ath-msr7, save up for the pm3, maybe some shures.
For your budget I would definitely recommend upgrading given that there are much better headphones than the ath-m50
>>51433678
What would you choose, SHP9500, ATH-AD 900x, or HD558???
>>51433678
With the ATH-MSR7, would 320kbps mp3 sound decent? I don't want to go looking for FLAC versions of my entire library. I also don't have an amp and don't really want to get one.
>>51433737
>would 320kbps mp3 sound decent?
better take my pills
>>51433737
>320kbps
Both the same newfag pls kys
>>51433742
SHP9500, ATH-AD 900x, or HD558???
>>51433786
shp9500
>>51433737
Hearing the difference now isn't the reason to encode to FLAC. FLAC uses lossless compression, while MP3 is 'lossy'. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA - it's about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don't want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.
I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange…well don’t get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. FLAC rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren’t stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to FLAC, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you’ll be glad you did.
>>51433646
Except on other measurements the hd800 is more rolled off and the x2 less so. You can't rely on if measurements.
So I just got a pair of Sennheiser HD 558 headphones. Is it necessary to do a "burn-in"? I've read different articles saying yes and some saying no.
>>51433868
>burn in
>>51433868
Burn it into your brain. If you think headphones burn-in you're stupid.
>>51433796
you're right, i'll rely on your shitty uninformed opinions instead
>>51433898
This. Everyone on /hpg/ is stupid and they don't own the headphones so they rely on "graphs".
>>51433794
Is this real?
>>51433794
mp3s deteriorating? wut
>>51433918
of course it is
>>51433918
Pretty much, yeah
>>51433794
fuck i hate rotational velocidensity
anyone have any experience with Bluetooth earbuds? how do they work? would it be possible at all to make a Bluetooth mod for my se215's? the fucking cord keeps snapping because of the shitty design choice of havino snappable plastic wrapping the cable and reinforcing it with bendable and very snappable thick wire. it wouldn't be a problem if there was no pressure from the bottom of the cable, but because the cable is literally bulletproof it makes it heavy.
>>51433868
you gotta burn them in by throwing them in a fire
ideally one started by an nvidia card
>>51433898
>>51434028
fuck off reddit
Hello /hpg/ i just got these as a gift, are these good headphones? I know nothing about headphones pls halp
Is there any guide for speakers?
There is no speaker general.
>>51434036
ive never been to reddit a single time
Don't see why so many people hate the w5000's to be honest. Sound great to me.
>>51434060
>le imgur filename
>shilling x2s
>not knowing a thing about headphones but trying to act like you do
literally screams r/headphones, we've had enough of you faggots in here, get out
>>51434044
They're fine
>>51434059
Start one
I'm thinking of getting a subwoofer to go with my JBL 305s.
Think this one would be any good or is there any better in this pricepoint?
http://www.thomann.de/gb/swissonic_sub10.htm
Needs to be available in Europe/Finland.
>>51434075
>imgur
vgy.me did that to the filename
>shilling x2s
not that guy actually
>not knowing about headphones
doesnt apply to me since im not that guy
>literally screams r/headphones
i wouldnt know cause i dont know what that is
>>51434305
get the lsr310s
>>51434334
Too expensive and I'm not sure if it's worth the money for it.
>>51434064
Terrible fidelity, huge price tag.
>>51434349
unrelated to whether theyre good or not, but i would never buy a closed headphone at that price
>>51434530
Replied to the wrong guy?
Another meme that needs to die: lossless sounds better than lossy no matter the lossy encoder or bitrate used. The idea that lossy is not or can't be transparent.
>>51434783
oh yeah, meant >>51434064
>>51434783
Yes you're right. There's absolutely no audible difference between 10 kbps opus and flac. Why wasting space when you can store 200 albums in 3 Gb?
>>51434816
1/10
why was tyll such a pottymouth senpaitachi
http://www.head-case.org/forums/topic/9312-nwavguy-vs-nuforce/?page=3#comment-434965
>>51433646
> "I'm mot trying to shill the HD800, still I like comparing a 1000$ headphone with a 300$ one to let you know the huge differences between them based on my immense knowledge of graphs"
Shitheiser - 2015 edition
A question to someone who knows their shit: What is the limiting factor in dynamic range possible with DACs? I know it's around 21bits. Is it the quantization noise, noise and distortion caused by components on the circuitry, power supply related thing or what? Anything that could be done to it or is it already the physical limit possible?
Meme that needs to die: Sennheiser HD 6XX don't need an amp
>>51434883
need an amp*
>>51434870
i really can't be bothered making the same image with the dt990 right now, your nitpicking and shitty attempt at defending a shitty reddit meme headphone really needs to end already, you're just embarassing yourself
>>51434889
HD 600 need an amp, unless you're satisfied with non-existent bass and muddy sound
>>51434921
>non-existent bass and muddy sound
sorry but no amount of magical pixie dust in an amplifier is going to make them not sound like that. go take ee101 and take your head-fi memes the fuck out of here
Instruments' separation/clarity >>>>> neutrality >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequence response >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graph results
>>51434970
>unproven memes > documented measurements
>>51434997
> implying that graphs aren't a meme
>>51434514
>terrible fidelity
Wot?
>>51435010
nice funposting
>>51434970
neutral>natural
Why does everyone hate colored sound?
i dont see the point of buying completely neutral headphones
natural would be nice for movies or music involving real instruments and important vocals that arent computer modified a lot like classic, rock, jazz etc.
v shaped would be best for pop, rap, edm, synthesized shit thats just supposed to sound cool.
now of course that doesnt mean you cant like a v shaped rock song or a natural pop sound,, but what the fuck is the point of neutral? besides to listen to it in the studio of course
I bought a Beyerdynamics DT990 three years ago and handled it extremely roughly, dropping it, sometimes stuffing it into bags with heavy things and having the cable at impossible angles - to the point that the cable was literally pulled out and the body was broken. Only one of the drivers worked anymore. Because the guarantee was over, I tried to solder the cable myself, but only managed to make one driver work at a time.
I sent it to Beyerdynamics, explained what happened, asking them to repair it, expecting the repair to cost roughly half of the headphones value.
Three (?) weeks later they sent the DT990 back, fully repaired and totally free of charge (!). They even applied new velour pads and a new spiral cable that I like much more, despite me not even having asked for them. In fact, I even told them NOT to replace the pads, because I didn't want to pay ~20€ to replace the battered, old ones.
Some HiFi technician told me that Beyerdynamic's replacement parts and service are really great, but I didn't expect THAT. He also told me that Sennheiser would've charged me ~100€ for those repairs. Thank you, based headphone gods.
>>51435153
That's nice. I have Beyers too but that whole thing sounds like a shill post. If it's true or not. Waits for the inevitable flamewar. *eats popcorn*
>>51435153
where do you live and who did you send it to?
>>51435153
i heard the same about my friend's dt990s. one of the drivers stopped working (probably just a loose connection but he can't into soldering) and they replaced the pads for him when he just sent it in to have the driver re-wired/fixed/replaced/whatever was wrong with it
>>51435139
i dont. can you guess what headhones i have?
I'm looking for in ears and I'm asking everywhere but it seems like no one wants to/can help me
Had brainwavz b2 before but they broke and are not available in germany anymore
I loved them except they had literally no bass, so I had to use an amp [fiio e11]
I listen to hiphop mostly on my lg g4
something like the b2 but with more bass without having to carry around my amp would be perfect
Have about 200€ (b2 costed 120€), if it's simply not possible to have something like that without using my amp, I can live with that
>>51435183
Nope, it's true. Here's the receipt.
>>51435190
I guess I should've mentioned that the HiFi technician (some 1-guy shop in Bamberg) sent it directly to their central for me.
You can read it up here:
http://flsv.de/2015/10/auch-so-etwas-gibt-es-beim-flsv-5-0-e-rechnung-in-worten-null/
Actually, now that I read the HiFi guy's blog post, it says that he sent in not one, but two headphones without guarantee that they repaired free of charge.
BD definitely won me over with this. I'll gladly buy from them again, especially since I travel a lot and have to replace parts for all sorts of things due to this from time to time.
>>51435139
Because Senshills say it's not hi-fi
>>51435147
V-shape is always better than AM radio sound, regardless the music genre. Leave neutral sound to sound engineers and Senshills.
>>51435153
I've seen Sennheiser replacing snapped HD 650s to brand new units.
>>51435011
...
>>51434883
How is that a meme?
Meme that needs to die: Blanket statements of a pair X of headphones needing an amp. Needing an amp is just as dependent on the gear you have now as it is on the headphones in question as well as what do you consider loud enough. HD 6xx have high impedance and relatively high sensitivity. They don't have issues with damping from almost any output and generally play loud even from mobile devices. From computers the volume is more than enough, at least for me. I would get an O2 for them with low gain just to be sure my output is good but they really don't need it.
>inb4 HD6xx scales with amplifiers
>>51435397
> it sounds loud then I don't need an amp
>>51435397
>that w5000 response
>800 dollars
wtf
>>51435267
Why can't you import stuff?
>>51432896
That is normal for analog potentiometers. They get mismatched at low levels.
A little digital volume control won't hurt, although you should have ordered the O2 with a better suited gain to you.
>>51435424
This
>>51435424
I already covered damping and I already said I would personally get an amp just to be sure. There's very little else that could possibly affect the sound. Noise from output is generally very low with high impedance headphones(and with modern audio equipment anyways) and distortion is literally a non issue at high impedance loads. It's easier to drive than low impedance in many ways.
But please do explain what are the benefits of getting an amp besides these few points I covered assuming you have the needed volume?
>pic for audiofools
>>51435438
I don't like it, in example my brainwavz b2
They broke after 2 years so I've send them back for free, and since they didn't had b2 available anymore I got my money back few days later
I don't know if it's as easy as that with imported stuff
>>51427831
sony ma900
I'd like to upgrade my player, actually i use a clip+. Price range no more than 200€
Any suggestion
Left or Right /hpg/
>>51435579
What's wrong with the clip?
>>51435593
I'd say left is slightly better. You should care more about other factors when the difference in sound quality is that small.
>>51435499
Impedance isn't all that matters to know whether a headphone requires an amp or not, you should consider the sensitivity measured in dB/V. The sensitivity of most headphones is given in dB/mW, then some little operations are required to convert dB/mw into dB/V. Let's take the infamous HD 600: it has 300 ohm and 97 dB/mW.
20log (1 : square root (0.001 x 300)) = about 5 dB
97 + 5 = 102 dB/V
Heapdhones with more than 110 dB/V don't need an amp, headphones ranging from 105 to 110 may need an amp depending on the situation, heapdhones with lower sens need an amp.
A kind anon provided me these infos about 3 months ago and it helpt me a lot to understand some things. Some headphones like Hd 600 need an amp to sound properly, the graph you posted is also helpful to understand this point.
>>51435594
Nothing really but i'd like something with a native compatibility with microsd xc (maybe with a double SD slot) and also a better screen, one of the thing i like most when i listen music is to see also the cover art.
>>51435522
Probably not so easy to service and warranty. Depending on unit, may not even have that much warranty.
Unfortunately, as much I would like to help, I don't know much about IEM shops in Europe.
>>51435593
>IEM vs. IEM.
That's what it looks like. Specifically, dynamic vs. hybrid IEM.
Left might be easier to listen to. Right seems flatter, but might be potential harshness. Is that a TWFK driver?
>>51435659
>IEM vs. IEM.
Correct.
>Is that a TWFK driver?
It's a $1000 AKG K3003.
>>51435697
>K3003
A TWFK type dual BA on dynamic woofer - a hybrid IEM.
Depending on the filter you pick it does get harsh.
>All these gullible retards that got X2s
Have we started de fire?
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