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https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/11/12/first-major-update-for-windows-10-available-today/

IT'S HAPPENING

UPDATE NOW TO TH2
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>>51310970
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>Enterprise customers can now turn off Telemetry completely.

kek
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>>51310970
already did. fucking image viewer is still shitting all over the place.
I still don't like how it looks (icon color scheme, etc)
Well, at least firefox works as best as it can, and i can still shitpost like before.
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>>51310970
when does edge get addons?
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>>51311026
Should I bother updating if I already have Enterprise and have run like 3 of the most up2date paranoia scripts?

and manually blocked every Windows connection that I could.
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>>51311043
Next year
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>>51311047
do it!
and check the status of your "debloating" again after you are done.
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>>51311043
When Redstone update is released
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>>51311047
All this work for the software jew. This is the life you chose my friend.
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>>51311068
That was my fear that I have to run the debloat shit all over again and go hack around in group policies and registry

That took fucking time when I installed this shit.
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Very happy with this build. They fixed the sound problems I had and everything seems faster.
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>Also in today’s update, we’re delivering on our promise to enable our enterprise customers to turn off all telemetry data if they choose. We strongly recommend against this, as this data helps us deliver a secure, reliable, and more delightful personalized experience. We’ll continue to work with third-party experts and incorporate your feedback on this important topic.

How can anyone believe this COMPLETELY turns it off when they were caught bullshitting last time about this
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Europe, central european timezone here, still no update

Is it available for anyone in Europe?
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>>51311099
Finland here. For my laptop, yeah. Desktop can't find it yet
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>>51310970
>>51311085
>>51311058
>>51311093
How the fuck did they reduce the iso size by a whole fucking GB?
x64 is only 2.84 GB, while the 10240 build was 3.6 something GB.
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>>51311099
Spain here, downloading in my laptop (Win 10 Pro) but not on my desktop (Win 10 Home)

It's called "update to windows 10 Pro, version 1151. 10586" so it cannot be mistaken with something else.
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>>51311116
a more agressive install wim compression
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>>51311099
>>51311107
it's available on torrent.
>10586.0.151029-1700.TH2_RELEASE_CLIENTENTERPRISE_VOL_X64FRE_EN-US.iso
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>>51311116
Probably cut out some legacy code?
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>Performance in everyday tasks, such as boot time now nearly 30% faster than Windows 7 on the same device.

WOW, I'm going to save another second during the monthly booting. AWSUM!!1

who cares.
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>>51311116

wait, that's the entire OS iso? or is that just some patch?

(installed it from a usb so wasn't paying attention to size at all)
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I love PR speak.

>People want devices they can touch, with an experience that spans personal with professional use– with continuously updated software that simply just works and is secure. They demand the opportunity to use their own devices in the workplace, and the apps they know and love.
Spare me.
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>>51311124
reduced by almost half? how is that even possible? sounds like bigger iso sizes are a huge scam. but, again, the whole industry is a scam.

>>51311133
nice digs.
>cutting legacy code
as much programming as i know, most of the time the code only gets expanded upon
>debloating

>>51311138
he whole iso, for a complete, full, clean installation.

>>51311111
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>>51311026
>We strongly recommend against this, as this data helps us deliver a secure, reliable, and more delightful personalized experience.

this NLP-"experience"-bullshit is seriously getting out of hand.
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got desktop update finland
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>>51311135
In the long run you'll save more time using Windows 7 as you don't have to reboot as often if you turn off automatic updates.
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>>51311138
Should be the entire ISO, patch was downloaded in under two minutes so it must be a couple hundred MB at most.
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>>51311150
the ultimate form of biased trash
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RIP loonix
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>2015
>using shit windows10
>not using windows 7
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>>51311187
I have tried my very best to completely move to linux for a decade now. but every time i come back to windows. There are a few things that Ubuntu does right but windows gets it right more.
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>>51311198
My job requires DX12.
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>>51311198
>2015
>windows 7
2009 has called
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>>51311198
There's not much reason to use Windows 10 over Windows 7 as it stands now. The App store is pretty shit. I hope they will just release x86 software there instead and scrap the Windows RT stuff.
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>>51311215
>requires
curious as to what you do.
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How large is the ISO
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>>51311256
see
>>51311116
>x64 is only 2.84 GB
for iso name, see
>>51311126
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I can't believe there are still people who WANT windows 10
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>>51311276
windows is middle-class's mac
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BOTNET
O
T
N
E
T
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>>51311288
>it just werks!
sadly.
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>>51311299

Dump Intel too, anons. ARC cpu / ThreadX OS embedded in your i3/i5/i7's...

www.libreboot.org/faq/#intelme
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>>51310970

>Cortana will recognize the phone number, email address, and even physical address to help you set reminders.

Nice NSA botnet op.
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I did the update, but why is it saying I'm using edgehtml 12 rather than 13?
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>>51311215
I can't think of a single outside maybe the gaming industry where DX12 is required.
What is your profession?
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>>51311116
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/downloads/#searchTerm=&ProductFamilyId=625&Languages=en&PageSize=10&PageIndex=0&FileId=0

3600MB for 64bit.
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>>51311239
It's only shit because people don't write proper shit for it.

Look at the remote desktop app, or wunderlist.
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>>51311522
then what torrent did i download?

>http://www.seedpeer.eu/details/10277109/Windows-10-Enterprise--Threshold-2--Build-10586--x64--en-us.html
is this one alright?
Where do it get the MSDN version from? (no msdn account)
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>>51311239
I mean, there's a pretty cool IRC client only available on the app store.
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>>51311107
It downloaded and then just threw some error about not finding updates. I try checking for updates but it says it's up-to-date already. It's still 10.0.10240 after reboot
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>updates were installed

so that's fucking it?

i don't see jack shit in the control panel telling me i'm on something like a service pack 2 or whatever.
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>>51311047
>people this retarded exist
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>>51311682
Where do you think you are
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>>51311664
>can't even type "system" in the search bar.
how the mi/g/hty have fallen.
or has the summer migrated to /g/?
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>>51311699

nigger that's where i was looking, did you not see 'control panel' in my post?

reading comprehension.
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>>51311710
>reading comprehension
>control panel
dude, just type "system" in that bar beside the window start menu.
the build should be 10586 or you've done something wrong.
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>>51311522
someone please upload the msdn version on torrent.
all of internetz to you!
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>>51310970
>Performance in everyday tasks, such as boot time now nearly 30% faster than Windows 7 on the same device.

>tfw i can already boot under a minute and load up dev applications

but is that it besides all the corp shit?
was really hoping for a bit more.
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>>51311738

should have said system information, that's kinda different from the system part of the control panel.

>10240

so no update yet.
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>>51311782
i upgraded from that 2.84 GB iso i got from kiackass torrents, and it says 10586.
pic related.

i still want the MSDN version. i wonder if anyone will make a torrent of that.
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So, Enterprise LTSB won't get this update, am i right?
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>>51311823
it's a major one, i'd like to believe it's this one that will definitely get the LTSB update.
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>>51311815

i hear ya. i'm on a legit version so i'll just wait for it to drop from M$, they can waste their bandwidth on me.
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>>51311815
>MSDN version
You can download it here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/techbench
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>>51310970
Uh did they release this update for the Education version yet?
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>>51310970
>tfw you're not a customer if you use WP
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>>51311682
>>51311697
why am i tarded pls
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I pulled an ISO of 10 Ent. x64. I'm gonna test it out tomorrow, and swap back to my 7 install if it doesn't blow me away (last update December 2014.
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>>51311894
No Enterprise though.
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>>51311894
>Windows 10 editions below are valid for both Windows 10 Home and Windows 10 Professional.
Thanks but I'd like Enterprise version.
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>>51311198
>not using
G N U / L I N U X
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L
I
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X
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>>51311815
>not using 10586.3
get with the times anon.
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where is it desu? I'm on w10 pro. was it that regular monthy tuesday update?
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>>51311942
>if it doesn't blow me away
it's an OS mate, not your 2d waifu who'll
>blow you away.
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>edge still doesn't support extension
What the fuck microshit?
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>>51311925
they're just shocked that there are winmo-users after all.
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>>51311978
kek.
well, i can't find 10586.3 iso anywhere

>>51312000
naughty trips of exasperation.
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Should I care about this

It's not coming to this version is it? Enterprise long term
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>>51312009
I'm sorry u got keked, it's not comming
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where do I check my windows version senpai?
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>>51312031
System Information u fucking retard.
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>>51312031

just type in winver either in start menu's search or in run (ctrl+r)
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>>51312041
well fuck I'm still on 10240!
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>>51312031
Windows button+r
winver
Enter


It's like screenfetch for windows
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>>51311976

no. i'm not using linux.

used it and it's fine for doing operational system things.

i use windows to do windows things.
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>With Cortana, you can use your device’s pen**

penis.
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Im still on build 7601, GOML
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Where's my MSDN iso?

>>51312074
lol
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>>51312074
I already been doin that since release tho
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What does /g/ do to disable botnet features in 10?

Hosts files?
What do you have on it?
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>>51312091
Check /wxg/ threads on archive.
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Does anyone know how to stop windows update from installing AN ENTIRE FUCKING OS?
The most I can do is hide the update but it shows up again the next day
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MDSN Enterprise LTSB N 10586.3
?
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>>51312090
the joke

the ISS

the stratosphere

some boeing hijacked by isis

you
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>>51312091
>>51195953
Those methods are outdated.
This: https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windows-10-Spying
Or this: http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
And/or this: https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking/releases
Are all more up to date.
You still want to run enterprise LGBT N version to maximize the stuff you can remove and control. Once Server 2016 gets ironed out, that will probably the best bet for security fags.

I did this.
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>>51312102
If you just have to use windows then give in to windows 10 hype already and debloat.
as this one says >>51312100
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>>51312102
Embrace it
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>>51312114
you're right juvenile jokes are way over my head desu.
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>>51312091
>>51312117

yeah i used shutup 10, seems ok.

probably just placebo and this update will undo whatever it did.
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>>51312107
That's updated? Now?
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>>51312129
i only enjoy mature joke for mature people like me.
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I don't browse /g/ much but I keep getting the notification to update.
Is it a good idea to upgrade? I've heard nothing but bad thing about windows 10 but it's been a while so I'm not sure if its gotten better or not.
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>>51310970

You mean TB2, The Botnet 2
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>>51312117
Hopefully they release server 2016 on dreamspark
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>>51312102
uninstall the gwx-update
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>>51312107
>>51312009
LTSB is not going to get this update
> There's also a new interesting wrinkle for Enterprise customers who opt to put some machines/users on the LTSB. Microsoft is planning to make available every "two to three years" a refreshed LTSB snapshot build which it will offer those customers. That means there will be options even for those on LTSB to receive periodically a refreshed build with new features baked in, if administrators decide to make it available to them.
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>>51310970
MICROSOFT ARE GODS
Installing as I type
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>>51312162
So what's the difference of

Enterprise
and Enterprise LTSB

if Enterprise (now) got a better telemetry security (turning it off COMPLETELY vs. Security level of LTSB N)

Should I just reinstall to Enterprise and update it and run debloat scripts?
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FREETARDS BTFO
AMDead
LOONOOX DED
RMS ON SUICIDE WATCH
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Why is my old ass pc still usable for HD video rendering, and decent gaming? Its dell motherboard is stamped 2006, so this is some old shit. yet its cpu barely gets taxed browsing the 2015 internet. Is technical progress slowing?

Specs

Q6600 2.40GHz
XFX Radeon HD7750 1GB GDDR5
8GB Corsair XMS2 800MHz
160GB Seagate Barracuda (Original drive from 2007)
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>>51312243
The fuck has this got to do with Windows 10 update faggot
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>>51312250
I was considering buying a new win 10 pc but I realized my current old pc still works fine for everyday shit.
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M$ = GODS

literally loving this update, it fixed EVERYTHING. no excuse not to use w10 now desu.
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>>51310970
so would it still spy on me and brick my pc?
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>>51312243
> Is technical progress slowing?

it is indeed. I just upgraded a couple of days from a Q6600 and am kind of disappointed.
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Downloading more botnets.
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>>51312269
Enterprise can shutdown telemetry completely now (THEY say so) but I'd still use Tinywall and paranoia scripts just to-be-sure.
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>>51312243

You're actually kind of right. Intel needs to step it's game up, there are still intel 5000 series PCs sold today weaker than that shit you've got there.
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>>51312276

lol custom-color faggot
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>>51312276
Isnt showing up for me and I have all the privacy scripts enabled. What do
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Still better than any linux distribution so far.
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>>51312315
That's not saying much since Linux is only good for security (Whonix)
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>>51312294
I used "Destroy Windows 10 Spying" for privacy.
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>>51312280
>Enterprise can shutdown telemetry completely now

but how and where
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>>51312280
And who with a consumer build is going to have a business edition OS?
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>>51312336
I have used it too and shutup10 and I can still see the updates unlike you.
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>>51312356
Why wouldn't you have the safest edition if you are going to use Win10? Wut? I honestly went and assumed everyone on /g/ was with Enterprise or LTSB N.
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>>51312357
>>51312336
I'm sure LTSB has it all removed. no need to use anything else over it.
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I am in Europe here, no update yet.
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>>51312378
You are sure? So you being sure should convince us all? That's it? You are sure? Can I get that on paper?

>>51312381
Got one for my laptop and desktop and I am Finland
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>>51312280
>>51312294
>>51312336
>>51312357
>>51312376
something to hide?
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>>51311026
Nice try, Micro$oft.
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>>51312390
you are on an anonymous imageboard on internet.
serously, just do what you want. and stop being a faggot.
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>>51312396
My privacy. I can disclose something if I want and not when you spy on me faggot
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>>51312376
because you can't buy it and the only "free" version you'd get is home or pro because it gives you the W10 equivalent of what you already have.
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Ayyyy
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>>51312336
You can trust 3rd party tools as much as you can trust that optimizer toolbar for internet explorer.
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>>51312415
I got it from their site since I have MSDN account, figured honestly that most of /g/ had pirated the Enterprise or its Long Term version.

Just seemed, natural to me. I guess. It was flooded in every win10 thread, the recommendation to use it.

Sorry for my assumptions then
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>>51311135

who cares that you don't care
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>>51312439

it's open source and it literally has every line commented
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so third-world countries release when? (germany)
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>>51312464
County below Little Germany here (Slovenia) and I got it >>51312436
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>>51311239

fuck the app store, benchmarks man

.
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>>51312442
could you please make a torrent and upload your msdn version?
we'd all be mightily grateful.
thanks in advance.
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>>51310970
fug i thought the 12 nov update would be about w10m. guess i'll have to wait until december to get it on my phone.
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>>51311782

same boat as this guy
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>>51310970

Hey so do I have to check for it?
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>>51312125
>>51312121
Is there a way to disable win10 from forcing updates? That's my biggest issue I have with it
>>51312159
gwx-update? is that it's actual name? I don't see anything like that in my installed updates
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>>51312554
You can disable it from automatically installing updates.

is this ur first winblows?
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>>51312565
I wasn't aware you could deactivate"always on" updates in w10. Did microsoft change their mind?
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TL;DR faggots, what's in it for me?
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>>51312582
Group Policy editor can disable it
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>>51312586
stuff
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>>51312600
that's not good enough. it should be an official thing you can turn off with a switch from a settings window
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>>51312586
An OS with the biggest market share.
Or you could be a hipster and install loonix
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and I thought /g/ respected privacy
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Any enterprise user get the update already? I don't see it in my w10.
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>>51312621
but it is official and it is within a settings window
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>>51312635
I have it on regular Enterprise.
DId not get one for the LTSB

Live in East Europe.
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>>51312642
so they basically said "fuck it, it was unpopular, let's let people choose to install updates"?
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no programs open
3/8GB of ram usage
18% cpu
why
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>>51312667
>AMD

IT JUST WORKS BRO
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>>51312667
Because you downloaded some bloated virus shit from kickass or somewhere else
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>>51312667
cuz AMD
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>>51312667
>chrome
>spotify
>steam

the botnet is mining bitcoins m8
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>>51312650
Damn, I live in East Asia and I don't get the update yet.
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>>51312667

lol and i'm sitting here on this 2007 quad core windows 7 with 2% cpu usage browsing shit.
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>>51310970
>WithCortana, you can use your device’s pen** to just scribble a note in the Cortana Notebook and Cortana will recognize the phone number, email address, and even physical address to help you set reminders.
NEW UPDATE FEATURES IN-DEVICE BENIS
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>>51312691
Do you have MSDN account? I got it from there, maybe that's why I have it faster. Did you pirate yours and KMSpico it?
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>>51312706
Nope, I use leak version, and no I don't use KMSpico, I use MAK key.
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>>51312720
Lmao don't you have some debts to pay back
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>>51312724
Figures.
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>>51312743
Yeah, it seems because I use leaked version.
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get official ISO here

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/techbench
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>>51312735
I'll use my pen** to write the check, is it fine with you bro?
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Will there be a iso put out with the update for clean installs?
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>>51312753
as long as your pen is hardware deapendent
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>>51312760
t-there already is..
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>>51312720
>your device's penis
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>>51312760
it' s on MSDN
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>best build ISO is out
MY PEN**
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>>51312678
this is fresh install
ethernet is unplugged
>>51312689
ethernet is unplugged
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>>51312769
I don't know about my pen, but my penis definitely is
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>>51312788
>>51312788
Fresh install and unplugged doesn't mean it isn't a virus install from public tracker.

Is it?
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>>51312788
>ethernet is unplugged

It's mining it in advance, so that when you reconnect it uploads the data
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>>51312788
Windows 10 it's just compressing your computer
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>>51312773
>MSDN
how do i get an iso off of msdn
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>>51312390
You on enterprise?
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>>51312824
with a subscription.
ultra-poorfags get no love.
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Win November finished downloading, said something was wrong, and now it's vanished from Update :(
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>>51312824
u get an msdn account through your enterprise thats how i have mine
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Win10 is based af desu senpai
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>>51312832
Yeah I am on Enterprise version, got it from MSDN.
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>>51312845
it still needs a lot of polishing, to be quite honest with you. But its not too shabby either.
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>>51312838
>>51312841
I'm just a dumb home user

>>51312751
Is this link legit? I mean it's an MS link so it's not a virus or anything but is it the new build?
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>>51312824
go to college or get a Dreamspark account.
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>>51312854
>>51312845
If it weren't for the fact you have to manually disable every tracking spy-shit infested to WIndows 10 it'd be good OS.

Now it's just annoying senpaitachi
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>>51312667
Windows 10 windows are either blindingly white or they have dull grey borders like someone forgot to make a skin. Has this update fixed it?
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>>51312867
I graduated 7 years ago and never got an .edu email
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>>51312667
just tell us honestly is your version pirated/not from microsoft's own site
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>>51312865
that legit link is only for home and professional.
here at /g/ we say go enterprise+debloat, or go home.
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>>51312883

>mfw went to state college and tech college, never got a 'real' college email account to get on original facebook
>had to use myspace instead
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>>51311026
I thought this was already possible in gpedit?
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>Your system is up to date
Why are you holding me back Microsoft
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Anyones nVidia drivers disappearing every time they restart their PC?
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>>51312904
Surely, it's on metro setting now.
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>>51312906

i knooooooowwwww. come on microshillbot, i was a good boy and want to spend my good boy points on being an early update boy!!!
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>>51312921
Nope (enterprise + nvidia suite installed, windows fetched drivers automagically before installing suite but everyting JUST WERKS)
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>>51312900
I;m a pro user and dont really care about the boat net

>>51312901
>Went to community college
>Can count on 1 hand how many times I had to touch a computer not account for clinical
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>>51312667
Disable Superfetch and Prefetch, also their Malware Excutible uses shit ton of RAM and CPU so you might wanna disable Windows Defender.
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>10586.0.151029-1700.th2_release_clientmulti_ret_x64fre_en-us
>clientmulti
What's this?
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>>51312667
Why dont u fucking retarded go to details/services tab and see WHAT THE FUCK IS USING CPU AND RAM INSTEAD OF ASKING HERE

WHAT
THE
FUCK

ARE
YOU
DOING
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>>51312943
multiple client?
installable on any system?
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>Enterprise customers can now turn off Telemetry completely.

Year of the Linux Desktop postponed again!

Thank you Microsoft.
>>
Are there new LTSB N ISOs for this update?
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>>51312956
Ah okay, then I'll download that to test on enterprise edition.
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>>51312960
No that version will never be up2date.
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>>51312931
>Being this butthurt over an OS
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>>51312959
>>Enterprise customers can now turn off Telemetry completely.
Can LTSB N users do this? Even through Group Policiy editing?
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>>51312960
I think LGBT version will be updated in Redstone update.
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>>51312969

tendies > OS update

not even mad.
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Will the MS Media tool fetch an updated ISO for USB install?
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>>51312989
When is that expected?
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>>51313044
wat how come you cant boot iso from usb or sd card with regular install? I could.
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>>51313059
Wait, I can just drag and drop the ISO on to a USB stick and just boot it?
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>>51313069
Yes if your PC allows for USB boot.
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>>51313075
Sweet, thanks anon
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>>51312938
But that shit helps performance faggot. Why do you want to disable it?
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>>51313089
I disabled them and didn't loose any performance, I actually gained some since it stopped eating out my RAM and CPU.
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>>51311126
> No seeds anywhere
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>>51311043
When hell freezes, apparently
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>Release Date: 12/11/2015
File Name: en-gb_windows_10_enterprise_version_1511_x64_dvd_7224923.iso
SHA1: 777A9FB18FB23D545D91903B118CA1AC57F49291

Waiting for uploader to post link.
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>>51313105
I will disable it. I want to keep my performance tight
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>>51313161
it's on reddit already
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>>51311083
>hack into group policy
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>>51313175
Link? Only seeing the links to the Home edition.
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>>51311198
Per-monitor DPI scaling is literally the only reason.

The lower res scaling is pretty shitty anyway but it's still worth it.
Otherwise I'd still be on 7.
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still using 6 years old setup without High DPI support
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>>51312880
The borders match the average color of your desktop backgrounds, if you allow it to do that.
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>>51313161
>>51313175
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>>51313225

how many pixels dem is?
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>>51312074
Thanks for the light chuckle m8
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>>51312904
No, it wasn't possible.
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>>51312960
The point of LTSB is to not have these updates
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>>51310970
LTSBtards BTFO
>>
Linked from MDL. Multiple versions? Not sure to trust.

https://cloud.mail.ru/public/AwAA/N9RXzm6eU/
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>>51311486
>what is your profession
HOO-AH! HOO-AH! HOO-AH!
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>>51313235
how can i do that
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>>51313338
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>>51313354
fucking epic THANKS SENPAI
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>>51313364
no prob kek
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>>51313314
> Multiple versions

NOPE
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>>51313338
>>51313354
You also need "Use color on Taskbar" enabled
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Which defrager does /g/ use in it's windows?
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