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What is the most ethical smartphone you can buy?
>>51309545
One you build and solder yourself and give away for free to poor children
A second hand one.
>>51309545
>Giving a shit about ethics
Dude the computer your typing on was made by Chinese children slaves .
>>51309570
>California
If they had their way we would kill the economy to stop global warming when we are not even sure if it's happening, or if it's is happening if it's man made
Fairphone
>>51309629
This is the kind of dickhead attitude that prevents a lot of good from happening. If everyone operated by your bullshit worldview, we wouldn't have shit like cars that drive themselves or the internet.
Dude just wants a phone that doesn't even have a chance of making someone fucked-up sick because they play with rare minerals all day.
>>51309745
>Dude just wants a phone that doesn't even have a chance of making someone fucked-up sick because they play with rare minerals all day
That doesn't exist, and if you wanna try and think your making a difference by caring then you are delusional.
>>51309763
This desu senpai.
>>51309763
You can still minimize harm done, even if you can't be completely ethical.
>>51309784
Yeah you can, bike to work, don't buy anything with rare earth metals in it. So no phone, computer, TV. Oh also make sure you have an acre or to to farm for food since commercial farming is horrible for the environment. All this green save the earth shit is to make people feel better about destroying the earth. Like how in CA you can't wash your car even though all the car washing in CA is like 0.001% meanwhile industrialist farming uses more and more water so people in the colder parts of the US can get fucking cucumbers in the winter
>>51309813
>All this green save the earth shit is to make people feel better about destroying the earth
Some things, yes. Most recycling, cycling instead of driving (the biggest problem here is that we'll run out of fossil fuel, not that it'll do any significant damage to the environment.)
Boycotting the meat and dairy industry and buying locally grown food would actually make a significant positive impact if we all did it. The problems caused by agriculture far outweigh the issues of fossil fuel.
But anyway, this thread isn't about Green policies. It's about ethical consumption on a human-scale. That is, avoiding products from companies that treat workers poorly. This isn't an environmental issue.
>>51309870
>we'll run out of fossil fuel
I should stop reading your post here but i'll assume your a young impressionable kid fresh out of public high school. Let me say this very clearly, we are not going to run out of fossil fuel for 100s of years. Also car emissions are a drop in the bucket next to the coal power plants and industrial consumption of fossil fuels.
>Boycotting the meat and dairy industry and buying locally grown food
This is flawed logic. If even 20% of the population tried to buy local it would cripple small farms. The whole reason we have industrial farming is because local farming can't keep people fed
>this thread isn't about Green policies. It's about ethical consumption on a human-scale
No such thing ethical consumption in the modern world.
>>51309970
Wow kid, you're pretty world-weary huh?
>we are not going to run out of fossil fuel for 100s of years.
This is a contentious issue. Some estimates say that, once we inevitably step up production, it will only last us until 2088.
>car emissions are a drop in the bucket next to the coal power plants and industrial consumption of fossil fuels.
This is exactly what I was saying, which means we're arguing over a moot issue.
>local farming can't keep people fed
That's because people have unrealistic diets. There's no way small-scale agriculture can keep up with the unhealthy amounts of meat people are demanding. That's why we need to collectively change our dietary habits, not that that will ever happen.
>No such thing ethical consumption under Capitalism
ftfy
>>51310054
>it will only last us until 2088
I'll be dead by then, no problem.
>ethical
>smartphones
>>51310054
>it will only last us until 2088
First you said fossil fuels, that number you spit out is for oil, and it's wrong. Go google tar sands and then look at who is putting out the reports on sweet oil reservoirs and then get back to me
>That's because people have unrealistic diets
Sure the american diet is bloated but are you going to say any of the colder climate towns/cities can keep the people fed in summer? What about winter?
>No such thing ethical consumption under Capitalism
You just outed yourself as a under 20, white, middle class dipshit. Capitalism is the problem? Dude you are delusional. Go look up how people starved to death in the USSR during the cold war, they couldn't keep the people fed. Same for North Korea you fool. And do you think the USSR had any green polices? Do you think North Korea does now?
>>51309629
>we would kill the economy
If it would kill your economy to stop relying on fossil fuels for energy then it honestly deserves to die. Why would you base your business on a finite resource anyway?
>when we are not even sure if it's happening,
It is very clearly happening, see statistical data from NASA.
>or if it's is happening if it's man made
It is, but even if it isn't why would it matter?
>>51310126
>If it would kill your economy to stop relying on fossil fuels for energy then it honestly deserves to die. Why would you base your business on a finite resource anyway?
You have no clue how important crude oil is to the global economy
>It is very clearly happening, see statistical data from NASA.
But it's now clear an NASA wanted to put black ash on the polar ice caps in the 70s because they thought the world was cooling
>It is, but even if it isn't why would it matter?
So you just wanna kill modern life for no reason at all? Enjoy staving and dying in your 40s dude
>>51310161
>You have no clue how important crude oil is to the global economy
Yeah, I have an idea and I think it is bullshit. Oil dependency is the single most significant factor holding R&D efforts back.
>But it's now clear an NASA wanted to put black ash on the polar ice caps in the 70s because they thought the world was cooling
>hurr durr they were wrong once so they are wrong now
I'm not even going to bother checking if your claim is true, but even assuming it is, statistics don't lie. There is a 97% consensus among scientists that global warming is a real thing, at it has been documented as far back as the mid 1860s.
I mean, I buy the arguments concerning economy and industry and whatnot, but don't give me the science-illiterate bullshit.
>So you just wanna kill modern life for no reason at all? Enjoy staving and dying in your 40s dude
Fear mongering much? It's not like we lack alternative sources for energy.
>>51310121
No, I am over 20 and working-class.
You just outed yourself as an indoctrinated American The USSR was never truly communist. Stalin saw to that. It was a failed revolution. North Korea is not Communist or Socialist, and if you believe that it is then you are delusional, or very gullible.
Besides this, you are assuming that politics can only swing toward Capitalism or Communism. There is no room from grey area in mind of the indoctrinated American. There are goodies and baddies. An Us vs. Them mentality. Democratic Socialism is not something that you could even consider as a possible alternative.
Capitalism creates profit better than any other political system, but it also creates conditions where individuals can be easily exploited for profit. There are as many heinous crimes against people under Capitalism, but fortunately for us, we rarely see them.
>>51310237
ok so you are 21 and flip burgers for a living
>>51310273
I'm a student.
>>51310229
>Yeah, I have an idea and I think it is bullshit. Oil dependency is the single most significant factor holding R&D efforts back.
R&D is only possible because we have cheap fossil fuels
>muh 97%
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136
Total bullshit but since you get your data from Obama and Bill Nye i expect no less
>>51310313
So you admit you are a lair then? Because You said you where working class. Also your bullshit commie views fit right in with the college socialist agenda
>>51310329
>R&D is only possible because we have cheap fossil fuels
What the fuck are you smoking? Cheap fossil fuels are holding the industry back because it is less lucrative in investing in R&D rather than just buying oil.
>http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136
Nice source you have there, it requires a subscription.
Meanwhile, straight from the horse's mouth: http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
Don't make a fool of yourself. As I say, I can buy economic arguments (provided that they are good enough), but there is no point in acting crazy and pretending that global warming isn't happening.....
>Total bullshit but since you get your data from Obama and Bill Nye i expect no less
Obama is a politician, and only politicians would be retarded enough to deny statistical facts.
I even know who Bill Nye is, looks like some retarded Doctor Who fan with that bowtie.
>>51310419
*I don't even know
By searching some more, I found some sort of old show with sound and visual effects that appear to be intended for crazed chipmunks with ADHD dropping acid.
>>51310361
So you don't understand how education works in the UK? Okay then. My family are working class but everyone is entitled to a student loan.
>>51310419
If you think you can trust NASA on global warming when Obama is giving them marching orders then you are a fool. The 97% is total bullshit
>>51310458
>I'm working class
>My parents are working glass
Uh huh, also anyone in the US can get a student loan >>51310458
>>51310485
>>I'm working class
>>My parents are working glass
Sorry, what?
>>51310502
You said
>No, I am over 20 and working-class
Then when you got caught bullshitting it changed to
>I'm in school but my parents are working class
Fucking retard
>>51310485
>If you think you can trust NASA on global warming when Obama is giving them marching orders then you are a fool. The 97% is total bullshit
Not only NASA, the scientific panel of the UN, virtually every geologist, atmospheric researcher etc around the entire world, well beyond the influence of Hussein Obongo...
If you for one minute think that the anti-global warming "researchers" are anything but paid shills and the politicians and governors backing them are not given massive grants by the oil and energy sector, then you are beyond naive.
Who do you think earn the most money? A NASA researcher or oil company executives and politicians?
>>51310535
I dunno you tell me, i know what one has an invested interested in politics for survival
>>51310532
What are you talking about and why are you so angry? I'm not back-tracking. My parents are working class and so by extension I'm from a working-class back-ground. However, I don't flip burgers, I'm currently a student. So maybe in the future through hard work I might be considered "middle-class", but right now I'm not.
Also, way to avoid my actual points and resort to ad hominems.
>>51309545
One from a company that's in the red.
Bottom line, if they lose money, you are actually punishing them when you make a purchase.
If on the other hand the company is profiting off your purchase, you're rewarding this exploitation and are human scum. If you buy an iProduct, you are subhuman scum.
>>51310586
Wow, this is actually a pro-active choice. Great post.
>>51310566
>invested interest in politics for survival
So the entire oil and energy sector, then?
The Obama administration has cut back on research funding, the Bush administration cut back even more. Also, there are strong forces in the scientific committee of the congress that have a lot of their election funds coming from oil and industry.
I don't know what on earth would make you think that these scientists somehow dance to the pipe of an government that clearly wants eliminate their livelihood.
>>51310572
But you said "I'm working class" the devil is in the details dude. Also the whole "my special snow flake version of communism has never been tried" is a fucking meme at this point. It does not work end of the conversation.
Are you the OP? I can't tell following the reply chain. If you are my original point still stands. No such thing as ethical tech
>>51310607
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2014/jun/06/97-consensus-global-warming
Your gonna have to do your own research on this. The second they turned climate study into a political agenda the science got murky
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/12/scientists-considered-pouring-soot-over-the-arctic-in-the-1970s-to-help-melt-the-ice-in-order-to-prevent-another-ice-age.html
Here is the info on the 97% wanting to put ash on the north pole since it was getting to cold for them.
>>51309545
iPhone
>>51310660
>iPhone
subhuman scum detected
>>51310638
>Your gonna have to do your own research on this. The second they turned climate study into a political agenda the science got murky
So you trust executives and politicians over scientists because scientists are obviously coloured by the politics and the insane amount of money you make from being a researcher (aka close to fucking nothing)?
>Here is the info on the 97% wanting to put ash on the north pole since it was getting to cold for them.
Again, this doesn't prove anything besides serving as lame rhetorics to ridicule scientists.
Also
>the guardian
>washingtonsblog
>covering the same story
>proof of anything
Media always present science accuratly, right? Pic related.
>>51310689
It's funny how this works out, I think what you say the result of horrible media reporting and you think what I say is horrible media reporting. I don't wanna fight dude, at the end of the day we are going to continue to burn oil and coal, we are gonna keep having China strip mine it's land for rare earth. India's consumption is gonna keep going up and up. And at some point it will become to much for the earths ecosystem to correct for. Is it gonna be in my life time? Nope, so i'm not gonna worry about it. I'm gonna continue to buy cell phones and ride my dirt bike, smoke a little pot here and there and continue to punch the clock at work so I can keep mass produced food in my belly and dirty coal powered electricity in my house.
>>51310735
Meanwhile I'm busy trying to do my PhD and improve technology while having to fight government cutbacks and spending 70% of my time chasing project grants, because of most money in the government budget labelled "research and development" end up going to oil industry subsidiaries in order to keep 70,000 engineers employed in oil companies rather than have them go to companies in other industries.
>I'm Norwegian
>>51310764
In short, oil is bad both in terms of environment and in terms of the economy, m'kay
And the longer we pour money into the industry rather than spend the money on R&D activities, the more fucked we will get because it is a finite resource and the industry is holding back scientific and technological progress.
>>51310764
>>51310788
The funny thing is we both will have the same effect on global oil consumption. So you keep working on that PhD and i'll continue to be a middle class clock puncher.
>>51310808
>giving up and being content with how everything is rather than wanting to improve shit
You represent everything that is wrong with this generation.
>>51310833
What ever you need to say to feel superior to other people my man. Let me ask you, how many cards did you get in the mail last year from people thanking you for saving their lives? I got 6 last year, I'm an ER nurse, I literally work to save peoples lives so don't get all high and mighty with me.
>>51309545
Smartphone produced by free market.
>>51310808
not to mention the fact that
>he doesn't realize all his research will require tonnes of oil before something viable is actually found
>which will then require tonnes of oil just to produce and replace oil
there still isn't anything that can compare to gasoline in terms of safety, and weight to power output ratios.
>>51310892
The PhD dude is just an overzealous guy trying to feel better then everyone else. With how dismissive he is of the importance of oil I border line think he is an an RPer. Do find it funny that he is bitching about cut funding and chasing grants when the private market will do his work 4 times faster.
>>51309629
They're not slaves, they're wage slaves
Big difference
>buy American made phone
>that means less demands is for chinese phones
>less work for chinese workers
>they starve to death because OP wanted to be PC
>>51310964
what ever you need to tell yourself
>>51309545
One built by your own countrymen. So every phone is ethnical if you're a chinaman.
>>51310329
w-what's wrong with Bill Nye? :c
>>51311049
Besides being a hack and misrepresenting science? His bow tie is dumb
>>51311066
o-ok a-anon k-kun
>>51309545
Probably an iPhone. Apple is the only company that actually catches any grief about China'slabor practices and as such have invested a great deal into cleaning up the supply chain.
>>51311149
>Apple is the only company that actually makes a big enough profit to change the way the supply chain works but chose to make it worse
Fuck off you subhuman piece of shit. Kill yourself for the betterment of humanity.
>>51311205
>opinion
Discarded.
>>51311253
>eats shit from his hands
>thinks he's even entitled to have an opinion much less dismiss any one else's
kek
>>51311282
I don't own an iPhone, faggot, but I'm not stupid enough to delude myself into thinking that Samsung has done anything to fix the supply chain of my Galaxy. If anything, the other companies are probably benefiting from Apple's supply chain policing as the same factories are used to shit out parts for all phones. Trust me Samsung and other OEMs are shitting themselves with glee that Apple is there to take all the heat off of them.
>>51311335
>Apple's supply chain policing
ayylmao
