https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tab-groups-removal
>Panorama (tab groups) will be discontinued starting with version 45 because of declining usage. If you've been using Panorama, thank you for trying it out! We are refocusing our efforts to make Firefox even better.
>even better
kek
never used this anyway
>>51301813
tab groups are misogynist
God damn it, Firefox. Why are you always fucking everything up? I have like 6 tab groups open right now and I use them all the time. The feature works fine, why not just leave it?
Firefox is literally the JUST browser
>>51301813
I've only recently started using tab groups in the past two weeks. It's helped me manage my tabs a lot better.
I can't help but think that Mozilla is attempting to make Firefox more lightweight, but in the process is cannibalizing itself.
>>51301926
I'm more than sure you'd be beter off using awesome features like Firefox Hello right now instead of some convenient, purely browsing-related bullcrap.
They're trying to kill Firefox from the inside aren't they?
Why would you delete some feature even if it was not used? It's not like it takes some resources if it's enabled
>>51301813
Tab what?
>>51301991
Mozilla wants the Chrome audience. They should just move to Blink if they want to be Chrome so badly.
This bothers me. I love this feature, and I have multiple tab groups constantly.
Good FUCKING LORD
WHAT'S ACTUALLY WRONG WITH THEM
>>51302236
Moving it to extensions.
>>51301813
I didn't even know this existed until now, but it looks pretty damn good.
>>51301813
I gave up on ff a while ago already. It's only installed for DTA
I use Google Shortcuts addon to add websites buttons near my address bar, and if it's not available i create a custom one. I seriously can't stand those tabs
And I'm personally discontinuing Firefox.
Too many wrong turns. I'm jumping ship.
>>51302338
Where do we go?
I'm getting to the "if you don't like the decisions that are made for you then it's time to start making your own decisions" camp.
>>51302135
They already added the RAM eater
>>51302358
>>51302338
Fork Firefox or join team Palemoon.
>>51302358
Pale Moon if you want to keep using a free browser with no botnet and without Mozilla's bullshit
Chromium if you want to be less of a botnet faggot but still be in Google's hand
Vivaldi if you want a browser focused on savvy users with a little botnet on the side that's not Google
That's pretty much the best options. Pick your poison.
>>51301813
Firefox will be the next opera/vivaldi thingy. Just another chrome with funny colors.
>>51302289
It's actually pretty elegant. It's very easy to use and pretty powerful. If you have a lot of tabs, I recommend it.
It's basically replaced bookmarks for me.
>>51302338
>>51302358
Seamonkey is actually really good but lacks addons. [spoiler]uBlock/uMatrix work though[/spoiler]
>>51302549
I like that SeaMonkey is an Internet suite, but I just can't get over that UI from 1997.
>>51302714
Use rice it up so not like the old UI.
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2802461
>>51301983
Mozilla called, they wanna hire you and make you senior dev on the firefox team
holy fuck, just when I started to use that.
>>51302256
As if that isn't a completely retarded idea. The addon would break with every update, be dependent on the stupid pleb crowd approval, and be coded half-assed.
>>51302714
I liked it that way desu senpai. It was fast and simple, everything the stock ff UI isn't.
>>51302423
stop spreading FUD
chromium is just as botnetted as chrome
>>51302985
They're so good at hiding it that you won't be able to find it in the source
>firefox removing shit you dont use
feels good man
>>51301926
They have not touched this feature since it was first introduced, basically hiding it so people won't use it. By removing it entirely, they're opening up for third-party options. Because it could definitely be improved upon, but I'm guessing developers were unmotivated when the built-in one "just werked".
>>51303230
>they're opening up for third-party options
Developers will still be unmotivated when it gets removed, especially since Mozilla is going to change Firefox's extension API. There's no reason for anyone to attempt to replace this with an extension that will become useless within the next year or so.
Goddamit Mozilla.
This is getting insane.
>Just started using tab groups in FF41
>suddenly they're to be removed in six months for absolutely no reason
Definitively JUST browser, let's see how long it takes to devs to just leave and jump ship to a fork, or to start their own fork
It already went too fucking far
I'm pretty sure they will fuck every Panorama/Tab Groups user by just deletting all their tabs when the transition happens, I'm pretty sure they will not offer a way to migrate the tabs to bookmarks, anyways they will surely remove bookmarks in FF48
>>51302985
The released code is open source, by it downloads and installs binary blobs when you start it.
>>51303118
First they came for the vertical tabs but you did not complain because you were using horizontal tabs. Then they came for the tab groups but you did not complain because you used only individual tabs. And finally there was no browser left to complain on 4chan with.
Deep post. Don't steal.
I just started using them after their last UI updates broke Tree Style Tabs beyond repair. Fuck.
Remember when software updates were exciting and full of new features?
>>51303385
I'm on 41, Tree Style Tabs works for me, what version are you on?
>>51301813
I used this sometimes
it's kind of useful for organizing large groups of tabs but their are honestly better ways
I just don't understand why they put something in and then take it away a few years later. I mean shouldn't they take away webrtc for the same reason? Nobody fucking uses that.
>>51303440
Damn.
I hope it gets fixed, if that goes, I don't know how I'll browse.
>>51303385
>>51303440
Huh, I'm on 42 and Tree Style Tabs work fine. I'm just using the amo version; nothing fancy.
>>51303385
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vertical-tabs-simplified/
maybe helpful, it's a fuck load lighter than TST
>>51303470
It's missing grouping, which is one of the best parts.
An example tab group for me might be
TST Tab : Some library
TST Tab indented : Following links in that library, code examples, etc.
Both panorama + TST work together wonderfully.
TST groups things you want to see, and are currently working on, but not needing at this moment.
A google query + links, delving into documentation, etc.
Tab Groups for contexts you were working on before/will be returning to after.
>>51301893
my nigga
I used to use panorama, but tab style trees is a better implementation.
More worried is their inclination that they will move away from XUL and make addons like tab style trees impossible.
>>51303345
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/17/debian_chromium_hubbub/
You're correct,. Google indicates the behavior no longer occurs but it was sketchy as fuck to have an open source browser download blobs by default./
>>51303582
I never cared for that feature desu but I'm sure there are alternatives that have it.
Add feature few people use:
How stupid! THIS is why Firefox is losing marketshare!
Remove feature few people use:
How stupid! THIS is why Firefox is losing marketshare!
>>51303618
Tree Style tabs doesn't actually hide stuff.
When programming, I don't want to see my shitposting tabs open, or my porn, but I do want to be able to get back to them easily for when I stop programming, and go back to shit posting/porn.
>>51303633
Add features that don't relate to browsing and are better off as an extension, vs removing well established features that directly relate to web browsing.
It doesn't help that one of those features were proprietary.
I put all my porn in tab groups. Instead of closing those 100 tabs after you are finished, you just leave them there and return to your main tabs. Then they will still be there later when you need them again.
>>51303633
Other than reader view, Firefox hasn't added a feature in years.
(Hello and Pocket aren't Firefox features, they're proprietary cloud services.)
>>51303632
At the moment there aren't.
Firefox panorama + TST is the only thing that does it.
See
>>51303635
for an example also.
>>51303660
https://github.com/tabkit/tabkit2
?
>>51303753The most updated version (0.6) is not compatible with FF4+, since FF3->4 has a HUGE change
?
I'll look into it though.
>>51303635
Do you mean autohide? Tree style tabs has it.
>>51303801
No, that's hiding the whole bar.
I mean how I have the Tree Style tab bar, but then other tabs in other groups aren't visible in it.
>>51303796
He's talking about the version it's based on m8
>>51303459
For me it refuses to update or expand the tab tree when opening a new tab, selecting a different tab or clicking "expand". This leads to a multitude of "hidden" tabs that can be selected via keyboard shortcuts, but are not visible in the tab tree. Also, dragging a tab to rearrange it makes all other tabs disappear until you restart the browser.
Another bug that has been present at least since the Australis update happens when you right click e.g. the navigation bar and click "Customize". Firefox decided to add some fucking annoying animation that places all the tabs at the top with the customization window in the tab's chrome. Annoying, but bearable. However, closing the "Customize" tab sometimes makes the top of the window disappear. As in: Only the page contents is visible, not the navigation bar or similar. This also hides the topmost tabs in the tab sidebar.
I should probably file a bug report, but I'm so tired of the modern web that I'm considering quitting it altogether.
>>51303828
Ah, Well, I'll start checking it out.
>>51303846
>>51303828
It looks like for now at least, it uses FF built in Panorama mode?
That'll need to be rewritten.
fuck mozilla. firefox used to be a solid backup browser for me, pre-chropera. i've tried to use ff more since the fall of opera, but it's simply turned out to be truly firefail. no good browsers are left. none.
>>51303836
Yeah I have the second bug and it is annoying. I had the first problem you described, but I went and updated the addon and it worked fine from then on. IIRC, there's a bleeding edge build on the devs website you can try if you want.
>>51303869
Every addon will need to be rewritten. Enjoy the shit while it lasts
>>51303870
Make your own since you seem to be so knowledgeable in what makes a good browser.
Pretty sure it was known that tab groups were on their way out when the new chromium UI (or whatever it's called) was rolled out. I used tab groups for a while but got tired of them, so it's not a major loss, and I hope someone will come up with an extension do to something similar (if there aren't already 5 different ones).
I tried palemoon for a couple months but it seriously has a bad memory leak, at least with my config. It would grow by 100mb per day without opening any new tabs. Too bad, I would have liked to use it, but I can't deal with shit like that.
>>51303902
Ugh, at this point Mozilla is just making a new browser.
Might as well just kill FF, let the community take over ala Thunderbird, then make a new browser.
>>51303872
Oh, damn. Looks like you're right. I was under the impression that TST was more or less unmaintained. Glad to see it was fixed.
Though now that I've been using tab groups for a week, I feel like it would be a good idea to use both tab trees and tab groups together, so hopefully something in the bureaucratic machinery makes it possible for them to change their course away from the iceberg. It's a shame that they've been killing features for so long, but this is the first time it really got to me. I hope calling them "shit tits" in the support box helps getting the message across, otherwise I've got nothing.
>>51303923
They won't do that. Firefox is their flagship brand. They even named their phones after it.
>>51304126
He meant because they've gone downhill and taken away many features that users liked. It will be a full chrome clone soon, like opera.
if they replaced it with tree style tabs (built into the browser) then it would be an improvement. but just killing tab groups and not putting anything there is fucking shit
>>51304162
My response was regarding leaving Firefox to the community like with Thunderbird.
>>51301813
Sasuga Mo "removing features with every releasure" zilla
>>51304164
>being literally this retarded
>>51304196
My bad it came off as more pessimistic, but shouldn't you be telling him that
>>51303923
Just use palemoon.
No fuck you. I use tab groups instead of bookmarks to manage things I might want to come back to later. So now I've got a ton of them and they're all searchable and shit and I'm happy with it. But nope, Mozilla can't just leave a feature in, they've got to fucking remove everything and follow fucking Opera to become just another fucking Chrome.
If they're going to remove features like this that they can tell have active users, why the fuck don't they actually just move it to an extension and release that for people who want it instead of pushing it on the community to reimplement things Mozilla decides it doesn't want in its toybox anymore?
I'll just keep using Firefox anyway. I don't want Opera, Chrome or IE.
>Palemoon + ublock/umatrix + Pentadactyl
Objectively the best way to browse the pile of shit that is the modern internet
>>51304252
>they're all searchable
What do you think this is, 2007? Searching for things is out of style. Even Youtube removed most of the search boxes (e.g. from channels and playlists). Web 3.0 means the webdevs know what's best for you. Expect to be served tabs based on interest and history from the Mozilla cloud using your mandatory Firefox Sync account in the next release.
Good thing those SJWs got rid of Brendan Eich
>>51304420
This is just continuing the shit Eich started. Don't conflate your high-school tier politics with this shit.
>>51304420
Eich is still working at Mozilla you stupid pleb.
>>51304449
>gutting everything Eich worked on
>continuing what he started
Choose one.
>>51302256
There was one dev for something i use that quit in a huff and made a post about stopping updates because firefox is moving away from supporting good extensions
>because of declining usage.
Soon: "Mozilla removes about:config because of declining usage."
>>51305490
you mean keyboard support
I've been using chromium for a few weeks and it's a lot more responsive. The only downside being that I still have to rely on Flash for youtube sometimes. Is there really no way to get chromium to fully support HTML5 ?
>>51305631
>The only downside
Other than selling your privacy to a foreign company with ties to the US government, you mean?
>>51305748
[citation needed]
>>51301813
well, there goes my reason to keep using firekeks
>>51305764
Chromium auto downlaods binary blobs after installation, no way to disable the stuff
>>51305814
what binary blobs?
>>51305814
I thought this was addressed and no longer happens?
>>51305831
>trusting Google ever
Though it seems they fixed it, there was quite a fuss when this was known
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/17/debian_chromium_hubbub/
>>51305854
It will happen again, it's Google after all
>>51305831
Audio recording for Google Now.
>>51305864
>It will happen again
So you're just spreading FUD at this point?
>>51305884
>trusting Google
They slipped a binary blob in Chromium, and never made public what it could had done
Are you trusting them to maintain it?
>>51305914
You really think they'll do it again considering it was found? Also that's assuming it was done on purpose. Do you know exactly what the blob contained?
I know this could go on forever. Just give me an alternative that's just as fast and I'll gladly switch. I used Firefox forever, but it takes a full second to switch tabs and just gets worse as time passes.
>>51305864
>>51305868
but this seems to be fixed?
>>51305963
>Just give me an alternative
That's the current problem, all of them are bad or worse
>>51305971
It's fixed
>>51305963
>but it takes a full second to switch tabs and just gets worse as time passes
Which OS?
>>51305963
>>51305986
The alternative is forking Firefox. Write your own web browser.
>>51306025
Win 10. The tabs switching that slowly usually happens if I have a few threads reaching their post limit.
>>51306053
Sure anon I'll get right on that. Thanks for the helpful reply.
They're ruining Firefox one change at a time.
>>51306064
It's the only way my friend, it's great to see someone finally taking control over their computing as opposed to endlessly whinging with a sense of entitlement.
>>51306064
I seem to have 37 tabs open on my laptop, multiple sites, switching between tabs is instant.
It has Arch Linux but the same speed is happening on my Windows 7 desktop which has 9 tabs open.
Are you using 32 or 64bit version?
>>51306137
64-bit. Maybe one of my addons are causing it? I might just try a clean install later.
>>51306163
Start it withfirefox -no-remote -Pand create a clean profile for testing purposes. You can switch back to your old profile by running the same command again.
Good. tab groups were a stupid solution to a feature that has existed since the late 90s
>>51301813
The way firefox does this tab group thing is pretty retarded though.
Mozilla and chrome could learn a lot from opera 12.
And I hope the do some day.
>>51306193
I forgot about this, thanks. I also just remembered I'm using a custom userchrome.css. I wonder if it has any negative affects on responsiveness.
>>51305631
There isn't unless youre on linux.
>>51306223
Tab Utilities Fixed adds tab stacking, among other features.
>>51305971
>it will never happen again, I promise good goy :^)
>>51306053
Just install palemoon.
Is 64-bit Nightly the best option?
>>51306725
Isn't that maintained by some furfag?
>>51302361
E10s, or electrolysis? Yeah that destroyed my desktop on nightly 64 bit ubuntu (too lazy to gentoo), but that was months now.
>>51306211
That's not a tab group, that's just the list of tabs
>>51306821
>Isn't that maintained by some furfag?
Who cares?
It's not like i'm presented with a gay furry porn splash screen when I use it or something
I guess I'll be turning off automatic updates until a third party option comes. I use it to organize my porn from my other browsing.
>>51306972
>Who cares?
You trust a furfag to keep your browser secure?
>>51306994
Since he's a furry he's probably autistic, and thus he's probably very particular about things.
>>51306994
If I was paranoid about the personal preferences of every dev involved in software i've used then I'd be browsing the internet like stallman and fetching pages over wget.
>>51302256
extensions are deprecated technology in mozilland
Furryfox stopped being useful for me once they took down sync and changed it to firefox account.
I dont want your shitty all-in-one account, I just want to store my bookmarks and share them between devices.
The worst part is that they discontinued it in some forks like seamonkey.
