>i5 performance in an $800 fanless tablet
INTEL AND MICROSOFT BTFO BY APPLE
>>51297168
Sigh
>>51297168
>using a mobile cpu oriented benchmark
K there bud.
>>51297168
Now you can play angry birds without lag
>>51297168
>i5 performance
>phone apps
kek
>>51297168
Can the aplel even decode 10-bit video?
>>51297168
Now let's see the multi core performance
>>51297237
>better performance than a mbp
That's bullshit
>>51297168
>can't buy iPad pro keyboard and pencil on release day
>>51297238
isn't apple a8 is the first soc to have hevc hw acceleration on it?
It's still shit if it can't run an x86 OS. Apple is going to be in deep shit when macfags start to jump ship and buy the surface pro 4. Especially since it has a microsd slot up to 200GB (soon 256GB).
>>51297360
Running a desktop OS with programs designed for keyboard and mouse input on a tablet is fucking retarded. So is adding some dumb keyboard case to make your tablet be some sort of gimped laptop.
>>51297168
>faster than x86
>12 hour battery life
anybody scared?
>>51297168
>paying $800 for a web browser
kek to the toppest
ill believe it when i see specint let's go
>>51297450
No, it's great. If x86 dies we can finally have the year of the Linux desktop!
>>51297398
>Running a desktop OS with programs designed for keyboard and mouse input on a tablet is fucking retarded. So is adding some dumb keyboard case to make your tablet be some sort of gimped laptop.
lol, even if you hated using a detachable keyboard for some reason you can still use the precision stylus as a mouse and the touchscreen keyboard.
Enjoy NOT being able to run Photoshop, MPC-HC, Full version of Microsoft word, Winamp, desktop version of Chrome, Blender, Inkscape, Adobe Illustrator. Also enjoy not having expandable storage or being able to use your tablet as an external storage (200gb mSD card).
>>51297554
Because those programs are all designed for touch only input right?
>>51297575
Humour me, what's the difference between the precision stylus on the SP 4 which has left and right mouse clicking (virtually or with stylus buttons)?
>>51297631
and a mouse..
>>51297631
Having a keyboard to perform keyboard shortcuts so you aren't tapping through a million different menus every time you want to do something? Or are you one of those retards who can't even remember basic keyboard shortcuts.
>>51297652
That's what the detachable keyboard is for silly. You could also i dunno, use the fucking touchscreen keyboard?
Just face it, apple fucked up. All they had to do was use an x86 chip. They could have even used the $35 z8700 atom chip if they were THAT greedy. But instead they decided to be ass-backwards as fuck and use a fucking ARM processor on a $1,000 fucking tablet.
Apple shot themselves in the foot, you can't deny that. I would have actually been impressed with the ipad pro if it had used an x86 processor, honestly.
>>51297722
>That's what the detachable keyboard is for silly.
Wow! Holy shit! You now have a gimped version of a laptop with a shitty floppy keyboard. Congratulations!
>>51297722
>buying a gimped laptop you can't even use on your lap
>>51297722
>Apple shot themselves in the foot, you can't deny that. I would have actually been impressed with the ipad pro if it had used an x86 processor, honestly.
macfag here, I feel the same. The stylus input is pretty neat but they fucking ruined the whole thing by not using a core m chip. I'm really disappointed in apple to be honest.
>>51297735
>>51297756
>Not using a laptop on a fucking desk
Do you shitlords want poached eggs and boiled testicles? Who the fuck puts their laptop on their lap?
>>51297758
macbook owner here. I miss steve jobs. Apple has turned to shit ever since they put that faggot tim cook in control of apple.
The ipad pro is a huge fucking joke.
>>51297168
6300U is not an i5, it's an super underclocked i3 with hyperthreading.
There's V8 engines with 200HP.
>Holy shit! V8 performance in an 4banger engine.
>>51297839
Except the 6300U is an i5. The 6200U and the 6300U are the most popular processors Intel sells labeled as an "i5". Whatever notion of "i5" you have in your mind is retarded.
Another day of having to explain why Geekbench isn't a good benchmark of general computational performance.
inb4 the A9X is doing SHA1 at 1.2GB/s
>>51297722
>implying apple doesn't already have a stable ARM version of osx running internally
The cpu isn't the issue assfaggot. Clearly ARM has already won in price/performance/tdp and we will only see it being used in more and more product categories going forward, including osx desktops and linux servers.
The real issue is that a desktop os and desktop software will never be usable on a tablet with a touch/pen based interface. That's why microsoft's "tablet" initiative from the early 2000s failed and why the surface will fail too. Running desktop apps on a tablet is the ultimate maymay and you're just too retarded to see that.
>>51297168
>apple
>appstore
enjoy your shit tier apps and games retard
>>51297856
>I3
A Dual Core with HyperThreading
>I5
>A Quad Core without HyperThreading
>I7
>A Quad Core with HyperThreading
>>51297889
Where did Intel ever say that?
>>51297360
>x86 OS
deprecated
fuck off
They didn't even submit those scores into the Geekbench database.
x86 FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
ARM REIGNS SUPREME
>>51297318
>Iris
I wouldn't be surprised honestly
>>51297874
>The cpu isn't the issue assfaggot. Clearly ARM has already won in price/performance/tdp and we will only see it being used in more and more product categories going forward, including osx desktops and linux servers.
YES IT IS. ARM is a piece of shit. x86 is going to murder ARM. Did I mention intel has a $35 atom chip (z8700) with 60% the performance of a core m chip? It also has a SDP of only 2 watts and max tdp is probably like 6 watts. Nobody wants to use arm chips anymore, they all want x86 tablets that can do more than play angry birds.
>The real issue is that a desktop os and desktop software will never be usable on a tablet with a touch/pen based interface. That's why microsoft's "tablet" initiative from the early 2000s failed and why the surface will fail too. Running desktop apps on a tablet is the ultimate maymay and you're just too retarded to see that.
Then why the fuck are the surface books selling so well? Why hasn't microsoft gone bankrupt if x86 tablets are such a stupid idea?
Have you not noticed that even macfags hate the fucking ipad pro?
>>51297897
They don't say anything coherent anymore.
For some reason they call the i3 an i7 as well.
These are facts.
>i3 2/4 core/threads
>i5 4/4 core/threads
>i7 4+/8+ core/threads
If your CPU don't have a 4 cores it's not an i5 or an i7 period.
Every mobile CPU that don't follow these facts are cash grab hardware made to be sold to idiots.
>>51297360
>It's still shit if it can't run an x86 OS.
If your operating system is tied to a certain arch it's complete shit.
>>51297920
lol, you're deprecated.
>>51297969
>they all want x86 tablets that can do more than play angry birds
[citation needed]
>>51297976
So... just like ARM?
>>51297994
literally uninformed and not knowing what your talking about the post
>>51297973
>being this retarded
>>51298011
Then could you who are so informed show us a video of an ARM CPU running x86-x64 programs?
>>51297969
>Then why the fuck are the surface books selling so well?
kek
>>51297168
But the Surface Pro beat it in 3 of the 4 scores???
>>51298023
>cpu running code compiled for a different architecture
u wot m8
>>51298023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlxWKAH7dQA
there you go :^)
>>51297973
quadcore mobile i5s didn't exist until skylake
>>51297352
No, and it doesn't support Main 10
So far the only HEVC SIP decoder able to do Main 10 is the one in the GTX 960
>>51297973
>muh made up bullshit
An i3 is whatever Intel calls an i3. An i5 is whatever Intel calls an i5.
Where is the "surface book" tho?
>>51298012
>Mobile
Let's say someone said they bought an Intel Dual Core ~2.2GHz, what would you think they bought?
>A Pentium D and downclocked it
>An E6400
>An i3
Pick one of these.
>>51298088
If ford went and called their 3 cylinder ecoboost engines a V8, would you call it a V8?
No , no you fucking wouldn't.
>>51298036
/thread
>>51298059
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgI0hh_uP6c
there you go :^)
>>51298138
lol
Where were you when x86 died? Intel really dropped the ball after years without competition.
>>51298036
>a huge tablet with a fucking fan and lower battery time got slightly better scores
>>51298158
[citation needed]
>>51297168
Yeah I'm sure you can play angry birds ridiculously fast now. Fuck off. iPad is a toy for children, and a computer for retirees.
>>51298183
>1 Hour later
The power of the ARM guys.
>>51298158
>Intel really dropped the ball after years without competition.
ARM only started existing today?
>>51297784
People who buy a portable computer to do something other than dick around on facebook and watch shitty movies in bed.
>>51297318
>>51298158
>geekbench scores
>meaning anything in cross architecture comparisons
I want some scores to start showing up on the Geekbench site so we can point out the retarded areas where the A9 is strong and is getting most of its points from.
>>51298225
>muh gaymes
>>51298225
muh games
>>51298248
>>51298260
muh apple logo
>>51298248
>>51298260
>muh it just wurks
Doesn't really work that well from the looks of it.
>>51298248
>>51298260
The chart they were referring to was the graphics benchmark after all.
>>51298248
>>51298260
Benchmark posted is showing GPU performance you morons
>>51298248
>>51298260
>eating shit out of your own hands
it just werks right guys? :^)
>>51298225
OS X has shit OpenGL performance to be perfectly honest.
I've tried the same tests/games on Windows GNU/Linux and OS X and OS X was consistently the worst of all.
>>51298319
well meme'd sir xDD
>>51298158
It has no fans.
>>51297168
that's great, can you show me some productivity benchmarks for the a9x?
>>51298158
It doesn't have any fans you fucking moron
>geekbench
OK, kid.
>>51298337
So OS X is slower than Windows because Windows have a Windows feature?
Ok.
>>51297168
It's 1200€ for non-burgeristans.
Literally 1.2k€ (price for a decent car) toy
>>51298369
Windows has the best drivers is all I'm saying.
Try some multiplatfororm game and see for yourself.
>>51298341
>>51298347
The i5 Surface Pro 4 does have fans you retards. An i5 is fucking impossible to run without a fan.
>>51298209
ARM didn't have a SOC that could compete with laptops till now.
>>51298226
They certainly show a sign that ARM is going in the right direction very fast, if they aren't there already. Would be interesting to see it running a real OS of course.
>>51298341
>>51298347
Only the Core M Surface is.
>>51298369
OS X is slower than Windows in OpenGL shit because Apple doesn't give too many fucks about it. Wonder if there is any software using Metal by now.
>>51298396
That's probably not the issue here, rMBP have a 5th gen cpu/gpu while the envy has a 6th gen one.
Of course gpu will be better.
>>51297168
>Single Core
Cool story bro.
Now let's go download theme to Friends on Napster because it's apparently the 90s.
>>51298409
>An i5 is fucking impossible to run without a fan.
are you sure about that =)
>>51298412
>ARM didn't have a SOC that could compete with laptops till now.
if you've been following the trends it was clear it would eventually happen
>>51298412
Don't listen to the tard, geekbench gives comparable results in different architectures as long as the version of the benchmark tool is the same. A72 is expected to beat Core M in multi-core performance, I'm pretty excited
>>51298428
>he doesn't realize that programmers are too lazy/stupid to multi-thread in 2015
>>51298470
But it would require like 10 cores to beat a dual core m lol
>>51297722
>being this stupid
This thing will sell and it will lead to more professional apps. The surface will continue doing how it usually does. A year from now you will be complaining about iPad pro users being zombies to apples "marketing". While the iPad pro is hailed as an evolutionary stepping stone away from clunky desktops and Laptops.
>>51298491
kek
>>51297450
moar!
>>51298507
This is honestly a fucked up future but it's going to happen even if it causes productivity to decrease
>>51297969
Hahahahaha this is a level of delusion only a trip code anime fag can bring.
>>51298468
Exactly but now it really happened and Intel didn't do jack shit. Apple might as well drop them in a two years.
>>51298529
It has all the productivity a casual pleb needs and the hardware power for any task a laptop could do, given the right software. The only danger is that iOS is a locked down hell.
>>51297969
>Why hasn't microsoft gone bankrupt
Because they're primarily an enterprise company these days.
>>51298225
>comparing opengl to d3d performance on two different operating systems
>not even the same benchmark preset or resolution
>different hardware generations
>pesos
kek
>>51298553
Come on, saying that Surface Books sell well was pure gold, give that guy some credit.
>>51298507
lol, you're delusional as fuck. Most people don't have money to blow on an ipad pro or a surface pro.
Most people are going to buy $200-300 atom tablets.
The ipad pro won't sell, nobody wants a crippled tablet with a chicken shit ARM cpu. Even the macfags will be buying the macbook pro instead once they realize the ipad pro can't fucking run their favorite x86 programs.
>>51298553
Are you honestly implying ARM won't go bankrupt as everyone buys things like x86 tablets and the zenfone 2?
>>51298610
A lot of their favorite "x86 programs" were powerpc programs at one point. I seriously think apple will fully move to ARM one day.
lol, y'all are fucking retards. I own a macbook and I would never buy an arm tablet, all of them fucking suck.
I'm getting that surface pro 4 on black friday though. Fuck arm.
>>51298660
>yfw arm macbooks
>>51298646
>I seriously think apple will fully move to ARM one day.
That will be the day they go bankrupt
>>51298610
You're fucking stupid.
Maybe in your third world country people don't have money but here in American $1k on a tablet/potential laptop isn't much. If people wanted $200-300 atom tablets why does everyone have an iPad? Even the android fags won't go near android tablets or the surface. The iPad pro will have the same controversies that the 1st iPad had when it realeased about "who wants a bigger iPhone what's the difference?". A year from now when more professional apps have come out for the iPad pro and since Apple has the full backing of major developers you guys will just be shit posting about something else. This is reality, accept it. I don't even plan on buying one nor wish to. But this is exactly how things will happen.
>>51298689
Why? How?
>>51298701
>Maybe in your third world country people don't have money but here in American $1k on a tablet/potential laptop isn't much.
I think you're over estimating the amount of spending money the average person has.
>>51298701
People who have money won't buy the ipad pro though. They will buy the macbook pro instead. Why would they buy a crippled tablet with no expandable storage or an x86 cpu?
>Single-core benchmark
Shill confirmed
>>51298717
I think you're underestimating it.
For all the memes of iPhones being expensive, even the section 8 niggers to the wealthiest people in the country have an iPhone. It's just a staple of American life and people are more than willing to buy apple products. I'm not saying this one will fly of the shelfs like iPhones because this is a notch above what most people are comfortable spending but it will sell and it will be in demand.
>>51298731
Touch apps so you can actually use it as a tablet if you want to.
Unless of course you want a laptop, in which case you should get the MBP of course.
>>51298731
>people won't buy the MacBook Air though
>people won't buy the MacBook though
>they will buy the more expensive product because muh specs
No they will buy it. And people that already own iPhone,iPad,MacBook will probably be the first to upgrade to the iPad pro and ditch ther iPad Air.
>>51298754
>thinks devs learned to optimise programs for multiple cores
>>51298765
>even the section 8 niggers
Because they're typically cheating the system, working on the side under the table for extra money, or selling drugs.
Actual poor people don't have iphones.
>>51298943
Actual poor people that also are retarded get iPhones and then don't have money to pay for it in the long run.
>>51298468
Then why didn't it happen before Apple started cranking out stellar SOCs?
>>51298943
>Actual poor people don't have iphones.
Actually they do, because the carriers sell iphones to them with payment plans for like $20/month and they don't even notice or understand how much they're actually paying for it.
>>51298248
>>51298260
>I bought a MbP coz I wanted the most powerful laptop internals that don't look like sheit
>>Envy at a cheaper price is better at graphics processing
>lel muh gaymes! Nice may may
Can't understand AppShills
>>51299015
And who was going to do that? Jewtel? Amd which is juggling so much shit trying to catch up? Samsung? IBM? Literally who else but Apple. Once they started bringing all the major players in CE it was game over for anyone else. Leave it to Apple to do some remarkable shit. I would love to get my hands on a a9 soc for some of my projects.
>>51297168
>tfw no locked down arm laptops with libreboot
>>51299091
>thinks this is about graphics and not some autist who can only think about muh gaymez
>>51298248
>>51298260
Cancer
>>51298225
You should bootcamp windows to see how it performs m8.
>>51297168
Can anyone explain this sorcery? Does iOS and the lack of multitasking have anything to do with it?
How about multi-core performance?
>>51300854
Intel has literally stagnated so much they're being easily beat by tablets
>>51300854
Twister is two big dual cores with higher clocked really high with fast memory latency, . Because Arm's design and battery life pretend overheating and power draining from heavy tasks
>>51301618
I'm confused
can you please rewrite this
>>51300854
A9s are retardly fast at SHA1, fast enough to offset deficiencies in other integer tests, also coupled with faster memory that boosts the overall score.
>>51301644
not him but.
> its 2015
> writing multi threaded code still a pain
> majority of apps and codes are single threaded
> apple knows this just uses two cores
iOS also very restrictive when it comes to mulitasking. So there is that too.
>>51301644
Let me rewrite that.
A9x has.
>Two big dual cores
>clocked really high
>It has very good memory bus and optimized pipeline.
>FinFET upgrade from 20mm to at least 16mm which has performance increases.
Finally, A9X has consistent peak performance without actively cooling which means it could go faster without heat slowing down the cpu. Unlike Intel/Qualcomm/Samshit/Nvidia, A9x are not housefires/battery suckers, a lot of times heat what will slow down CPUs in benchmarks.
>people on /g/ still using a desktop to compute
What is this.../v/ ?
>>51297168
>>51297237
>>51297874
> ARM has already won in price/performance/tdp
I really seriously doubt about it:
https://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1507289-BE-TEGRAX15998&sha=4899bb2&p=2
ARM is ancient architecture the slowness and had lower performance-per-Watt effective of all current architecture.
Still want RISC?
Sparc is good Power8 is good too but not ARM even MIPS better.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/4156676
I think this is the iPad Pro.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/4139850?baseline=4156676
Confirmed, SHA and memory performance are the only real reasons the iPad Pro scores that high.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/4140184?baseline=4156676
>SHA is really important guys!
>>51298470
Geekbench is pretty good everywhere except for the encryption tests, which are hardware accelerated, not testing actual CPU performance.
>>51298701
The Apple rush is over, the iPhone 6 & 6+ sizes have been out for more than a year and most apps still use a 1136x640 viewport, a lot of apps are still blurry as fuck on the 6 & 6+.
Developers aren't going to target the iPad Pro when they sell even less.
>>51302755
That's part of the problem though, people rush to post the final numbers which, when hardware accelerators are involved, are practically meaningless.
Even on >>51302744, the Surface seems to get most of its points out of AES which is hardware accelerated on the chip, I am pretty sure, and the iPad Pro gets its points out of SHA, which must be hardware accelerated, but I thought that AES was also hardware accelerated because you need it fast on a device offering full encryption.
So how do you actually compare the results?
>>51301679
Yes, but intel are retardedly fast at AES tests, balancing the A9's SHA cheat. Geekbench needs to fix or remove their encryption tests, because of hardware acceleration.
All the other CPU bound tests between the A9 and i5-6200U are neck to neck.
>>51297168
>i5 dual core
seriously
>>51297237
For what reason
Does this destroy my Titan X 4K gaming PC? Please no more shitty mobile games
>>51297554
Why the fuck would I want to run any of that on my fucking tablet?
Fuck all of you who talk about precision stylus this and fucking detachable keyboards. What are you insane?
DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN HAVE FUCKING TABLETS?
Tablets are great for light entertainment, but ABSOLUTE SHIT for productivity. If you bloat your tablet up with junk IT BECOMES FUCKING SHIT AT EVERYTHING.
REAL TAB PROBLEMS:
No 24p
No 10-bit dithering
Weak, slow, fucking android lag
NOT REAL TAB PROBLEMS:
YOUR FUCKING X86 MEME SHIT
PLEASE PRECISION THAT STYLO UP YOUR ASS
>>51303252
>Why the fuck would I want to run any of that on my fucking tablet?
Because you want to do work?
>dont do work in the way i dont want to do work!
>>51297784
>who the fuck puts a laptop on their lap
lol
>>51303252
Every job is video editing!
>>51303285
HOLY FUCKING SHIT ARE YOU FOR REAL
I DON'T WANT TO DO WORK ON MY FUCKING TABLET
GET A FUCKING LAPTOP LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING
LEAVE MY OLED MEDIA CENTER ALONE
>>51303357
Apple BTFO
Its an ARM tablet, there is no real productivity in that, also the day they get like 500000 in single core on geekbench nobody will care, only faggots, we already have 2011 desktop performance on phones yet we can only use 2006 tier games and pretty shitty and unproffessional media editting
>>51303360
We aren't trying to sell the iPad Pro to you, but this is how it's being sold.
>>51298225
meanwhile HP looks like a cheap chinese plastic macbook
zero innovation
>>51303392
this.
>>51303392
>implying ARM has anything to do with productivity
You could have literally just said "It's a tablet"
>>51297168
Why bother when it'll only be able to run shit from the app store?
>>51303425
Lack of innovayshun isn't the issue with HP laptops, its build quality. Not just of the case, the materials used, or anything simple like that. Mainboards have USB ports with grounding issues that short quicker than anything I've ever seen. They use the lowest quality caps, chokes, and mosfets they can buy to save money.
HP's Elitebooks had a near 90% return rate in either 2014 or 2013, and that is their "premium" supposedly business grade of laptops. If even an ASUS laptop was that astoundingly poor it would have made headlines, but it was HP so no one cared.
>>51303285
>winamp
>work
>>51303417
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
they made a $1000 OLED media center WITHOUT A FUCKING OLED
BRILLIANT
>>51303505
Thats not the point, there are pretty powerful tablets out there that are better at apple's meaning of productivity, also, any macbook in that price range is better than this, even at facebook browsing
So its just like a big ipod touch, dont even come up with the pen and keyboard, we are talking about the tablet not the accesories sold appart.
Also if you want a real computer in a tablet form factor you can buy one, im not talking about 2 in 1's.
This is just the toy device apple makes for old people that just want to entretain themselves and people studying joke-careers like graphic design or such
>>51303613
His name is Guadalupe by the way
![X220t-Geöffnet[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3sdItDh.jpg "X220t-Geöffnet[1].jpg")
>>5130325
It's been a Enterprise Form Factor for fucking years. It's not fucking rocket science, anon. The point is to use BOTH THE TABLET FORM FACTOR FOR PORTABILITY, AND USING LAPTOP'S KEYBOARD FOR PRODUCTIVITY. People don't want a tablet, they want a Convertible Laptops.
>>51298765
Hey fag all those people with I phones either stole them, bought them used, or got them subsidized with there monthly bills. They aren't slamming $600+ on the table and saying give me an iPhone (except maybe after they get their tax rebates). Quite frankly if kids can't use this to help in college like a MacBook it's not going anywhere.
>>51303758
>They aren't slamming $600+ on the table and saying give me an iPhone (except maybe after they get their tax rebates)
About 1% of iPhone sales are in such a manner.
>>51298520
nhentai.net/g/148722/
>>51303674
>using a clunky 2kg laptop as a tablet
looool
>>51297821
noone cares fuck off
>>51304053
lol, what's wrong? You mad your own kind is jumping ship?
