>>51260434 previous thread
Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
/g/ suggests:
> X220 for Small/Portable
> T420 for standard size
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P50/70 release is imminent.
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>They’re really cheap when you buy a used one.
>Keyboards feel excellent while typing (yes, even the newer ones).
>Great durability thanks to the inclusion of rollcages and use of glass fiber reinforced plastic for the chassis. The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
>Utilitarian design - e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking solutions that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for almost every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing on the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/TdZByAXS
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
Where can I go to find a used x220 in Melbourne?
Bumping ded thread.
Germanfag here, currently with an x200s WXGA+.
I can buy a T420s with 80gb mSata-SSD, 4GB Ram, new fan and the Full-HD display + adapter (not installed) in very good condition (except for the battery) for 450€, should I do it?
Where can I get the T420s-adapter at the moment? I missed the groupbuy in the german thinkpadforum and it seems I cant get the adapter otherwise :/
Hello friendos, I've been recently getting into the idea of getting an x tablet series, but I'm currently a bit confused.
People are cheering on for the x230T for the valuable specs and battery time, and the x201T for the old keyboard, the great aspect ratio and so on, but I've gotten nothing but regret from people who had invested in the x220T, what's exactly wrong with it compared to the two?
>>51294393
>T420s
>450 EUR
why
And this, my friends, is why you don't buy a cheap replacement LCD panel from China..........
>>51294406
duly noted
>>51294406
Was it advertised as "genuine"?
>>51294400
Full-HD-display + the chinese adapter
>>51294428
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-A-14-0-LCD-Screen-LED-Panel-for-LENOVO-THINKPAD-X1-CARBON-ULTRABOOK-/121041307701?hash=item1c2e9fc835:g:VTcAAOSwZd1VWpa1
>>51294406
>>51294455
Also, the seller wants me to either airmail it back to China for a full refund or accept a $5 "partial refund".. I'm pretty sure that airmailing this thing back to china in the fuckhueg box that it came in is going to cost me a fortune.
>>51294499
Stop being a fag and just invoke eBay's buyer protection. You ordered an item which turned out to be defective. Don't fall for the old "reporting this is bad for business" bullshit, he can't leave you negative feedback anyways, so just fucking report him.
Want an IPS display for your T420? Here it is:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ThinkPad-T420s-T430s-FHD-1080p-upgrade-kit-beats-93P5685-1600x900-ips-LED-/231736928275?hash=item35f498e813:g:OswAAOSwNSxVezhH
>>51295684
I sent a message back saying that the listing stated free return shipping and asked them to send me a shipping label or money for the shipping. We'll see how that works out. I probably will end up having to report him but fuck it, it's just some soulless chinese faggot selling bargain-bin electronic components on ebay.
On the off chance someone can answer this: I have a Thinkpad Yoga 12 with Windows 10 on it. When I moved from 8.1 to 10, it stopped waking up from sleep when I open the lid.
When I close the lid it seems to sleep fine, and if I open the lid very shortly after I've closed it, it will wake normally. If I wait a few hours however, it will show a black screen and I'll need to hold the power button to hibernate it, and then hold the power button again to wake it up.
Anyone have experience with this issue?
>>51295775
linux you stupid faggot
>>51295809
I run Linux on my T420, but the Yoga is for my design job, can't sacfirice the software is use on a daily basis.
Is there a way to make the trackpoint and the touchpad mutually exclusive on Linux like on Windows?
>>51296078
THIS
>>51292951
not sure, i just gumtree or eBay it. Are there markets or things for this stuff?
>>51295715
don't let them get away with this shit you kek. They supplied you with a shit product that doesn't work. Get mad. Get a refund and report those motherfuckers.
>>51295775
Weird issue. I just tried closing the lid on my X300, waiting a while and then opening again, and it resumes just fine, and way faster than it ever did under Windows 7 or Windows XP. You'd think the older hardware would have trouble, but no.
Try checking out Lenovo's website. I remember seeing something listed with the Win 10 drivers labelled as "solve issues waking from sleep etc etc". It may be that the solution is very simple.
>>51294406
nah its a software problem
>>51296996
No, it most certainly is not. If I press at the top of the screen where the line starts then it flickers and/or goes away for a bit, then comes back.
>>51295775
Do you have hybrid sleep on? It's probably trying to go to hibernate after a few hours of being off but failing.
If that's not it, there are a lot of bugs with the Intel DTPF driver on Windows 10 including failing to wake from sleep mode and the CPU getting stuck in its lowest power state after sleep.
Posting from my new T420, upgraded from my X200
What games can I play on this thing? I have the 16x9 screen but no discrete graphics
inb4
> games on a laptop
I have a pretty legit deskto I just like fucking with new hardware and knowing it's bounds
>>51297548
You should be able to run Skyrim, on low, with no mods. And probably League, and indie games, and anything older than 2010.
>>51297606
source games; skyrim struggles
Anyone use a TPU cover on thier keyboard? Does is ruin the clasic thinkpad feel?
I ordered one so that I can easily maintain a clean keyboard.
>>51294406
The good chinese sellers will pay return shipping. You got ripped off.
There are other reasons not to buy Chinese screens-- most are reclaims/rebuilds and the glass matrix may be genuine, but that's not the most expensive part of a screen. The internal backlight films and polarizers are. Guess what the reclaims scrimp on....
>>51294428
Nope just advertised as 'new for Lenovo X1'
Is a IBM Thinkpad Lenovo R61 Intel Core 2GHz Duo T7300 for 90-100 euros a good deal? Has anyone used the laptop before? I just want a laptop for on-the-go leightweight work.
I found it on ebay, and the seller seems to have a good record (but I don't have too much experience with ebay) - I'm critical, because it doesn't look like a bad deal. Is it maybe because the hard drive is only 80GB? Could it be replaced? It doesn't have a OS on it anyway, so I'm going to be using some lighter linux (Void with LXQt maybe?).
>>51298791
R series is basically budget T series (R50p as a notable exception with its insane 2048x1536 screen) and that'd be a bad price even for a T61.
>>51298791
>>51298854
I know about
>/g/ is NOT your personal tech support team or personal consumer review site.
but I forgot to add another offer: T400 P8400 2.26GHz, 2GB, 160GB for 100 euros.
It seems to be a lot better than the R61, don't you think?
Any way to keep the headphone volume limiter disabled in the Smart Audio settings on the X220? Getting fucking annoying having to keep turning it off to actually listen to something at an acceptable level.
>>51299069
No. If you want lightweight go for an x220
If you want it a little bigger, go for a T420
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/25x-Asst-Lenovo-ThinkPad-X220-T410-Laptop-Motherboards-In-Housing-Bezel-/381463397830?hash=item58d0fd85c6:g:e2oAAOSwo0JWQfx0
fuck my ass
>>51299633
>No. If you want lightweight go for an x220
I don't realy care about the weight too much (or is it that big of a deal?), I was taking about the work I wanted to do on it (not 3d simulations and bitcoin mining, but programming, reading and writing).
>>51299712
>programming, reading and writing
Honestly, a T420 is the minimum you want for a decent experience in 2015.
Anything older is getting a bit too slow to use.
>>51299773
>>51299712
let me tell you this: I have my big desktop, then a small x220 to use at uni and when I fly. It's a good combination.
t420s are fine, but theyre pretty big. A big laptop seems to be best suited if its your only computer.
Of course it isnt always the case, but I like the small & portable laptop + big & powerful desktop combination
>>51299846
Makes sense, I'm in the same scenario - thanks.
>>51299773
I didn't know it was that outdated...
>>51292902
anyone else intending to buy the 17 inch thinkpad that comes out next year?
>>51299910
Not to say it's unusable, but there's a world of difference between a T61/T400 and a T420.
Question you should be asking is, do you want a laptop now, but end up having to buy replacement in 18 months or are you looking for longevity.
>>51299933
>Buying a new ThinkPad
Nope
>>51299773
My T410s is more than good enough for just about anything that isn't gaymen. And that's with the base i5 processor.
A T400 is adequate for most things, and I would argue that's about as old as you should go. The questionable ones are the T60/T61. Especially the T61 since they had that added reliability issue.
>>51294406
too good to be true.
anyone know of a source of replacement housings for x220ts outside of ebay?
>>51299633
I want an Xbox because amerikkaa, W520
Fuck Veteran's day.
>>51292902
I dont think I need a W series with all that bulk;
Is the T430 a good replacement for my T410 or is there a better product for the money?
Just got my first chinkpad and first laptop since 2001, a t450s. The trackpoint sure is something.
What should I do first? I'm planning on installing lubuntu because I'm a normie.
>inb4 not a real thinkpad
>>51300120
Nope, it's real. This is my life now...
>>51302059
put a small piece of foam or something behind the panel in the area where putting pressure makes the line dissapear.
I had a T61 with a similar issue and that solved it.
>>51302085
I think it's too late for that, it has stopped responding when I put pressure on it now. The line has gotten brighter/more intense as well.
>>51302108
Try it anyway. Nothing to lose now.
>>51302141
true, I'll give it a shot
>>51296733
I literally just needed to update the Bios. I'm an idiot.
Okay /tpg/, I have a serious question. Are ThinkPads just a meme? What I'm saying is: can I use a ThinkPad reliably for ~3 years without having to fix it. I also want to know: what is your opinion on the T420 and X220?
The T420 is bigger and has higher resolution which is better because I plan on using it standalone, but has a TN display which has poor viewing angles and is washed out. The track pad on the T420 is also marginally better, so if I can't find my mouse I can actually navigate.
The X220 is smaller and has a lower resolution, but has a IPS display. The smaller size makes it more portable but would not be good to use without a second monitor in most cases. The trackpad on the X220 is the first trackpad in the ThinkPad series to have combined buttons on the bottom which is a hindrance when trying to use it.
I plan on using headphones so sound is not an issue. I also plan on getting a hard drive caddy and using Arch on it. What kind of support does the T420 vs X220 have for Arch? Can I even boot from two hard drives separately? I also plan on getting a 9-cell battery so batter performance is not an issue either.
What are your opinions? Which ThinkPad do I have to maintain more and which one is more reliable?
tl;dr: Are ThinkPads a meme? Which is better: X220 or T420?
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I got a few questions for fellow T420 owners who bought a non-OEM 9-cell. Which brand did you pick? How long does your battery last you?
The battery that came with my T420 is finally starting to die. Need to find a decent upgrade on eBay.
>>51302163
What DE are you using? Looks tite.
>>51302231
>can I use a ThinkPad reliably for ~3 years without having to fix it
Depends on how well you take care of it, and what condition you buy it in. The laptops are rugged and very solidly built, but nothing is indestructible.
The stock Seagate drives have a history of failure, so many end up replacing them with reliable SSD memory.
Otherwise, if there are any repairs needed, they're usually simple.
>what is your opinion on the T420 and X220
I'm a t420s user, which is basically a t420 but slimmer, smaller battery, USB 3.0 compatibility and a bit better build quality.
As a daily driver, the t4XX series is probably the best. Small enough to be portable, screen large enough to be used for almost all purposes, versatile enough to be used for almost all purposes.
If I was getting a laptop just for the portability, maybe a laptop just for IT work or school work, the X series would be a good choice.
As for the viewing angles on the TN display, yeah they aren't great, but it doesn't bother me. Usually the screen is stationary in my lap, I do not need to move the laptop screen about and view it from strange angles.
Really, you should be asking yourself
>am I looking for a daily driver? (t420)
>or something more utilitarian and portable? (x220)
Don't T420's have awful battery life? Like under 2 hours?
>Ivy Bridge on T420 is happening
Well fuck.
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=119498
>>51302363
No. I get ~8 hours on mine.
>>51302231
Is that a thinkpad with a hat?
>>51302336
just LXDE with some dark GTK theme and ACYL icons. I tried out LXQT on my other laptop recently and I actually like it more than I do LXDE, it just seems lke it's a bit more polished.
>>51302353
Thanks, this actually makes my plans a lot more concrete. I will get a T420 and use a Samsung EVO 250GB SSD as the main hard drive in conjunction with the default Seagate hard drive in a caddy for extra storage. I have a few more questions if that's okay.
I plan on doing some light gaming as well (INB4 go back to /v/). Do games like Guacamelee! Gold Edition and The Binding of Issac: Rebirth run well? Should I upgrade my ram if that's the case?
Also, I plan on dual booting Windows 10 and Arch Linux. Can I boot Windows from the SSD and Arch from the caddy? Also, what kind of support do each of these OSes have for ThinkPads? What kind of drivers are available for Windows 10?
>>51302538
Well, it looks good regardless.
>>51302373
Up to 1866MHz DDR3 support too for even moe GPU punch. T420 is truly based.
>>51302373
those are just screenshots on someones bios. now the real question is does it work properly.
>>51302231
My cousin has an X220, my brother has a T430, and after looking at and using both of those I went with the X230. It's been great for 3 years now. You may make a different choice, but the IPS screen really is much nicer, I didn't need the optical drive or the expensive Quadro GPU and I wanted something smaller than my old Latitude E6400.
>>51302731
I can confirm the advanced BIOS does work. Ivy CPU testing is ongoing, some are confirmed working but I'm waiting a bit longer before I spend any money.
>>51302735
does the x230 come with an IPS as standard?
>>51302614
bump
>>51302614
>I plan on doing some light gaming as well (INB4 go back to /v/). Do games like Guacamelee! Gold Edition and The Binding of Issac: Rebirth run well? Should I upgrade my ram if that's the case?
Of course, it can handle most of those 2D indie games with ease. RAM upgrades don't hurt though, for like $20 you can get another 4GB stick to get to 8GBs.
>Can I boot Windows from the SSD and Arch from the caddy?
I haven't tried this myself, but I imagine you would just alter the boot order in the bios whenever you want to boot to one or the other.
>What kind of support...
Not entirely sure because I'm still in Win7, but I imagine with the popularity of the laptops, and the commonality of it being in a business environment, the support would be good for Win 10 and as the OP says (I think) all the thinkpads have great linux support.
>>51302621
thanks
>>51295715
oh my god you dumbfuck. the seller cant refuse you a refund no matter what they say. ebay will side with the YOU, the buyer, 99.99999% of the time, you dont even have to send it back. the refund is automatic.
open a case, get your refund, and be done with it.
How is the x220 for gaming? Does it handle Dota 2 and CSGO decently?
>>51302261
Guys can somebody answer this for me please. Being able to run my laptop on battery for only two and a half hours is just shitty. Would like to replace it as soon as possible.
>>51302446
>>>/reddit/
I need to find the SD card cover for my ThinkPad T400 and T500. Can you anons help? I could only find it for X200/X201.
T400 miscellaneous service parts: https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/migr-70427
T500 miscellaneous service parts: https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/migr-71055
>>51304127
And for what it's worth, the SD card cover for X200 and X201 seems to be 44C9556. I suppose it's compatible though, but I'd like to look if there's a real FRU for the T400/T500.
I know that the x220 comes in TN and IPS panel... how can I tell if the one I'm getting is the IPS version?
>>51304349
Read the seller's listing or look at the viewing angles.
>>51304349
the TN and IPS panels are listed with different names in the device manager if you can get the seller to take a screenshot of that for you
i can't remember what they were called though off the top of my head
I won an eBay listing last Friday and the seller still hasn't shipped. Sent a message yesterday and haven't received a response. It was a good price though, so I don't want to cancel the order just yet. What should I do?
Will I be able to run Fallout 4 on an x220 with 8gb of RAM?
>>51304747
lol i can't even run fallout 4 with a 970 any good.
Has anyone played the following games on a X220 i5 through wine? How did they run on lowest settings?
Dota2, CSGO, Heroes of the Storm, League of Legends, Smite? These are the games my friends play and being able to play them halfway decent is a huge bonus
>>51292902
HOLY SHITTT. Let me fucking say this- If you get a t440s,t440,t440p or any of those laptops, you will want to take a hammer to the fucking touchpad. it is by far the worst touchpad in history..
>>51304826
why aren't you using the trackpoint? I disable my touchpads in the bios when using thinkpads.
>>51304783
dota 2 and csgo have linux clients now
lol plays fine under windows so i'd imagine the hardware would be fine under wine as long as it's supported, the other 2 as well.
>>51292902
Hey all, I got the Thinkpad T500 at a pawn shop today just looking around. I installed Ubuntu MATE 14.04 and so far it's working beautifully, but I have a few questions.
- What's your average battery life with heavy usage, if you've had to use it without the adapter?
- Does constantly having it plugged in kill the battery or not necessarily (due to it being Lithium-ion)?
- How has it treated you over the years, performance and durability-wise?
I've looked into these parts of the laptop, but want to see first-hand accounts, proving or disproving my questions.
>>51299773
What? I use a x61T 1.8ghz 4gb ram as my main computer, doing much more than what they said they needed and it runs great.
>>51298791
Out of the Core 2 Duo ThinkPads, the 14" R61 had the second best keyboard feel next to the X300.
Something about its thicker chassis made it feel a blast to type on compared to the T and W counterparts.
>>51299933
Maybe.
>>51302085
Best advice :D
>>51304414
Cancelling is the worth thing to do, its up to them for you to cancel and you could get a nick for that.
Its best to escalate it to ebay support, 'where is my package', that way the seller will have to respond or you would get your money back.
OR, they fucked up and never put a tracking number, then you could be a dick and IF it comes by, pretend you never got it. D:<
>>51304878
I think a good fresh battery would last 2.5 hours the least, those models are weird due to switchable graphics I think.
Yeah it always plugged in will kill the battery, i don't know the Linux equivalent of Power Manager.
Problem with T/W500 are the hinges have a flawed design... but they normally operate pretty good otherwise, DDR3 ram is cheap too. :3
I just permanently disabled CompuTrace and Intel Anti-Theft on my X200 and X201. Did I do good or did I fuck up?
>>51300064
A T60 is still fine for shitposting, you just have to pair it with a lightweight OS, like Puppy Linux, and the modern Internet will still continue to be open to you.
>>51305349
>those models are weird due to switchable graphics I think.
Yeah, moving the switch toggles my wi-fi, for some reason..
>Yeah it always plugged in will kill the battery, i don't know the Linux equivalent of Power Manager.
Regardless of the battery type?
>>51299773
>Sandy i5
>"minimum"
Are you fucking kidding me?
I can still do everything except modern games on a x61t C2D 1.6Ghz. My T420 is what I take out if I want something fucking extravagant. I just don't use it all the time because the older machines often have significantly better/larger LCD options, and I have a X201/X61t for school, the only other small/light laptop I typically carry being a 13" 2013 MBA.
>>51302735
>tfw my cousin who is literally a rocket scientist and working for NASA has a T420, the same 14" model as me
A lot of my cousins grew into fucking geniuses, and they all prefer ThinkPads/Latitudes, with some Apple stuff on the side (some have secondary machines). Our tastes all seemed to fucking line up in the end, it's insane.
>>51305400
Well that should do that... :3
Its not that kind of switch, as in it would switch during battery or AC power, I believe it was a feature back then... Unless I'm confusing it with the W500.
>>51305400
Think so, ever since... unless there's a special firmware in the BIOS it would constantly charge even at 100%.
>>51299773
A T60 w/ an SSD would still be good, unless you are a whore about multiple tabs, general laptop use is not strenuous nowdays anyways.
>>51299773
This is bait. I'm doing great on X200 and could probably do well with less too (if it wasn't for the low resolution screens). T400 is equivalent to X200, so 1440x900 is fine.
>>51305464
Checking the power statistics, it says the adapter's online, gonna post another on the battery section
>>51305464
>>51305514
Here's the second screenshot
>>51302261
>>51303690
plz respond
>>51305464
>>51305514
>>51305575
So judging by this. I honestly have no idea if it's actually charging. I'll look up to see if I can tell or not, but I'll keep an eye on the capacity percentage to see if it goes down.
>t420
>i5 2.50 GHz
>4 gb, 320 gb hdd
>intel hd 3000
>16x9
arrives tomorrow, stoked.
but the seller didn't mention which i5 2.50 GHz cpu (according to the wiki, both 2450M & 2520M are both 2.50 GHz)
so im just curious if there's any significanes between the two cpus
>>51305349
>Problem with T/W500 are the hinges have a flawed design
What's wrong with the hinges? I've noticed the ones on my T500 are too tight and hard to open, but damn the screen does not wobble at all while I'm typing.
>>51304874
Do they get close to 60 frames per seconds at all?
Same guy as >>51305591
I installed TLP, which includes an indicator to switch between battery and AC power. It also has a specific part for thinkpads to set battery threshold. I may not need to worry now.
The L series is okay, has the same chassis as the T just with less features, the E series is okay, they're competitive with Latitude 3000 series and take a shit on HP Probook 640/650.
>>51305716
on windows, yeah. as for linux i don't know
Some guy in my country sell a T410, It's good?
>INTEL CORE I5 VPRO M540, 2.53GHZ WITH TURBO BOOST
>5GB RAM
>320GB SATA
>14''
In like, 266 dolars. What do you think, /g/?
My T420 arrives next week. Hopefully it isn't complete shit. I asked the seller some general stuff about the specs and if it has a BIOS password and they couldn't even answer.
It's free shipping both ways which is great but it takes a week and a half to get here which is annoying as fuck.
Anyway, how is the T420 with libreboot? And is the screen that shit?
>>51305806
If it's 1280x800 resolution, I wouldn't really bother unless you are looking to do a panel replacement to 1440x900.
>>51305806
If that country is the US, it's overpriced. Other countries, idk.
>14''
I'd pass if it's 1280x800 panel.
>>51292951
im a melbourne and yeah bruh it's pretty ez to find on ebay
>>51305808
T420 doesn't support Libreboot. Coreboot support is still partial and not merged yet.
http://www.coreboot.org/Board:lenovo/t420
Yo I just found this! If you get a refurbished ThinkPad, and you want to a fresh Windows 7 install on it, but still want all the appropriate drivers (necessary) and apps (bloatware) use KeyFinder (https://www.magicaljellybean.com/keyfinder/) to do a fresh install.
After you set Windows up, download the ThinkVantage System Update from here: http://thinkvantage-system-update.software.informer.com/download/ and install it.
Sorry I sound like an infomercial, I just thought you had to download each driver separately, and I wanted to alert others of its existence.
>>51305883
Damn. I will never be RMS at this rate.
Is 1400x900 a good resolution?
>>51306797
1440×900? Yes, pretty much the minimum I can recommend in a laptop. Even 1366×768 is too low for me.
>>51305849
what about deal i'm looking at for a similar T410: less ram (i think it's around 4gigs maybe even 3) 120gb ssd, 900p panel, for 186USD
>>51302005
Bump
>>51302059
I had t61 when I was in 1st year of univ. It literally had 20% of the screen covered in stripes but it ha 1600xsomething resolution so I didn't mind that much. It only fucked with me when I watched tvshows lol.
You brought back memories, thank you anon
Is there a X-series model (preferably tablet version) with a good/decent screen? I've seen x200T and x201 screens and they are absolutely disgusting. And I don't mean resolution, I'm fine with 800p.
Honestly, I'm no audiophile but even I think my t420s speakers sound like shit.
Am I fucking up the drivers somehow or something? Is it some black magic with the Dolby home theater I have to pull or what?
How shit are T420 chink 9 cell batteries?
In the EU thethe original batteries I find are too much fucking expensive.
Help guys, I recently upgraded my Thinkpad T430 to 8GB of RAM, and now it won't stop bluescreening. The RAM is installed correctly, I ran memory diagnostics and it says the memory is fine but I get "memory_management" when it bluescreens.
>>51308639
I ordered a chink 9cell a few months back, after 28 cycles it held 80% charge
>>51307816
Varies by what you want, but the X200/X201t had 3 different panel types - AFFS, PVA and IPS (and a few variations in between - e.g. X200t had both LED and CCFL backlights available and various max brightnesses)
The PVA is obviously least desirable with the other two close enough to each other. But if you're not satisfied then you don't have many avenues left, especially noting the image retention on the X220 and X220t which may fuck with you depending on how fussy you are
T430's look like they're around the £250-300 range. Is there a better option for the money?
>>51308994
Yeah, T420.
It's much cheaper, has better keyboard, with a BIOS mod can support faster ram, any WiFi card you choose, third party batteries and soon ivy bridge CPUs.
>>51309387
Ah I see. I have a T410 - did the T420 improve the graphics much?
>>51295775
I had this problem on a Dell and solved it by rolling back Intel Management Engine Interface Driver to ver 10.0.0.1204
So I just got a memepad T420. Best laptop I could find for a friend with a low budget, and it's pretty neat. How do I clean residue stuck in the speakers, though?
My T410 is frequently shutting down for no apparent reason!
Maybe it's getting too hot and old?
Repair or replace?
>>51308767
Pretty shit I take? I don't really know the average capacity loss for cycle for laptops.
>>51309905
An old toothbrush.
Me and a couple friends are trying to gift a thinkpad to a friend in Japan who is a poorfag and wants to program. What would you recommend? I've been thinking t60 or x200.... Would they be much better than some reallly poorfag thinkpad?
>>51310611
X200 and T400 are gud. They also support Libreboot. You can get these for ~$150.
Heck, install Libreboot on it and claim the laptop to be worth $600-$1200. Libreboot install service is worth anywhere from $200-$300 alone, and a pre-installed Libreboot laptop costs much more.
>>51306797
>>51307115
I used a 1280x800 T400 for years and I thought it was just fine. It wasn't even a matter of having never used a higher resolution, because I had just come off a 1400x1050 T22. For everyday tasks, you don't really notice the missing 100 pixels all that much. Mind you, when I needed to get serious work done, I hooked up the Viewsonic P815 "Leviathan" and enjoyed the glorious 1800x1440, because 1280x800 is shit for multitasking. But then again, so's 1440x900.
>>51310785
1280×900 is already quite bad for single-tasking, that's why I'm not recommending it. 1440×900 works reasonably for single-tasking, but not very well for multitasking.
I can't even hold a terminal window next to a browser window in 1280×800.
>>51310477
How? I assume I shouldn't just be rubbing it over the speakers.
>>51310854
Remove the palmrest.
I was thinking of putting a 256gb ssd in my ThinkPad, but lately I've been seeing a lot of posts deriding ssd's as simply being meme tier.
Should I just get a 7200rpm hdd with more space?
>>51310942
You should really stop browsing 4chan for a while if you're starting to be convinced by retarded shit like that.
>>51310942
no, get the ssd it is better. so much faster
>>51310247
Pretty shit. I ordered an OEM 9 cell two months ago to replace that chink shit. 30 cycles, and I've only lost .10Wh
Is the T420 a significant improvement from the T410?
>>51309387
>soon ivy bridge CPUs.
More info on this?
>>51305735
Ah, well it looks like you are set.
>never used TLP
>>51305625
on the ThinkPad Forum there are accounts of the hinge design was changed for the worse.
But we are talking massive use on them, so it might not affect yours, but comparing it to the T61/T60 it wasn't as strong.
This is why enthusiasts and /g/ dislike Lelnovo, small issues to save on cost ended up ruining the brand.
>>51305806
Turboboost is a novelty if you have an SSD installed.
>>51306797
Yeah... its nice, but I like sacrificing 720p if its IPS.
>>51308261
No you are right, they are tinny units.
A31p had the best speakers, even the Z series that was for 'multimedia' was just standard T43 speakers in a different mold.
If anything you'd need consumer crap to get decent speakers... Hell the Chromebook Pixel had some decent speakers, a Yoga 11s has dolby lol
>>51308765
Reinstall it again?
Maybe test them individually? Perhaps the slot itself is bad.
>>51310942
haha you're dumb, some 8.1 machines boot fast with regular drives, but SSD has a massive performance boost on older machines.
Plus, you can chuck the fucking laptop like oddjob and it still just werks.
>>51311040
I'd say so, I had a bad experience with a T410 however. I think I had gotten a potato machine.
windows updated my clit/touchpad and now i can't use the middle button on my x220, I know i can rollback updates but i erased the old ones.
Is there a site that stores old thinkpad drivers??
>>51311140
It's already implemented in the latest coreboot and there a lot of work going on lately modding the stock BIOS.
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=119498
>>51311293
My Y510p has excellent speakers. Seriously excellent. You play music off of them and they'll fill the whole room with pretty decent, non-distorted sound. Too bad the rest of the laptop is kind of shit.
So I am thinking of grabbing an X220 while giving my old latitude to my gf. Is there a list of common defects on X220 that I should know when checking? I have read the sticky, of course.
My T420 has been troublesome lately.
About half the time, maybe a little more than: after it goes to sleep, when you press the power button, the machine turns on but the screen does not. Has to be hard reset.
Sometimes if I don't put it to sleep manually, and it's on battery, it will just stay on until the battery dies.
All the power settings are set correctly. Can't figure this out. It is on Windows 10 and I don't recall it havomg issues before. Do I need to update the bios or something?
>>51311438
can i put an ivy bridge in my T410?
I don't wanna give up my 16:10 screen
Why the fuck does everyone x220 on the market is scratched, dent or damage in some way; dont people know how to take care of their shit ?
>>51312486
Well, it's a small laptop meant for business use, of course some flimsy people are going to handle it.
Also, if you're desperate for one in good condition, then look for more expensive ones.
What number pin ram does the t61 take, 15.4" model?
>>51312181
Haha, not a chance.
>I don't wanna give up my 16:10 screen
You're not giving anything up by getting a T420 unless you get a 1366x768 display like a complete retard.
1600x900 and you're gaining some width and losing 0 vertical pixels, 1920x1080 or 2560x1440 and... Yeah
>>51312666
It's not for me, it's for my dad; i need to find him a small with a ~200€ budget
>>51313023
>X220
>Perfect condition
>€200
are you fucking high or just retarded
>Want thinkpad T series
>Have money so don't want slow old laptop with mediocre display that I still have to buy more RAM and a better storage drive for
>Newer laptops have garbage undervolted CPUs
>Don't want to carry a tank of a W series around or a weak ass undervolted thermal throttled X series
What the fuck do I buy?
>Get a cheap thinkpad they said
>Core 2 Duos are fast they said
Normal voltage and all. Shit takes fucking ages to boot and is generally a slow computer. C2D is fucking slow as hell.
>>51313512
T440p sounds like what you're looking for. You have to swap the trackpad with the T450 one to make it even remotely usable, though. And of course the keyboard has the shitty layout, but I'm guessing that's not too high of a priority for you.
>>51313512
t440p + t450 trackpad mod
>>51313649
Since you're using a C2D I'm assuming you don't have an SSD.
In that case, get one you fucking retard and stop using your 4600 rpm hdd.
>>51311438
>http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=119498
>HD4000 on the fucking T420
This is too good to be true, this can't possibly be real.
when this is stable i'm using it
>>51313512
get a T430, and what's so hard about buy more RAM and a new SSD.
>>51313669
Is it possible to replace the keyboard with a better one?
>>51313649
>getting a cheap thinkpad without adding an SSD
>>51312486
Because no one buys those shitty fucks -> they are overpresented in the market. Look harder.
I installed gentoo on my t450p and after the install its not recognising my network/wifi card. Is this common?
>>51313759
Not on the --40 generation. You can transplant the --10/--20 keyboard into a --30, but it doesn't work 100% correctly. Probably better to get a T420 and put in an Ivy Bridge processor once the BIOS mod is a bit further along.
x60tablet anon here.
today i wake up to my X60 tablet with a terrible yellowish tint on screen. i disabled redshift and find out the panel backlight is diying.
so long my trusty friend, you had a 9 perfect years run along me. from windows vista to OSX, from my HS to college.
you will be not forggoten.
and i just ordered a x220 tablet off ebay.
for 189usd, did i gud /g/?
>>51313722
You're going to do some gaymen on your thinkpad?
>>51313825
How useful is tablet mode on these X series laptops? Do you actually use it a lot? What for?
>>51313825
Farewell, thee trusty soldier
>>51313839
i use it to fill forms on my job, some forms required a degree of handwriting on them, and on school i used to drawn formulas.
i suck at drawing so never used that more than an ocassional doodle.
>>51313722
I wouldn't bother with cpu upgrade
but I'd like 1600 memory very much on my x200 tablet
>>51313722
>>51314339
sorry : x220 tablet
>>51313825
goodnight sweet prince
>>51309861
macpad pro x3?
>>51312984
Physically though it is shorter which I imagine would make it feel slightly cramped.
Overall I will consider a T420 if there are any good deals
>shipper put THE WRONG NAME on my x220t package
>Post office returned it to UPS
>It's now sitting in a UPS center somewhere in the nearby city
>I have to go out into the wild world out there to rescue it.
>tfw installing the new Fedora 23 with MATE on my old X201
>all the packages fly in through my jury-rigged ethernet stealer cable, through some unfortunate lab computer's LAN connection
>tlp, audacious, libsidplayfp, and mumble are all ready
This feels even better than when I was in 8th grade, and I installed Fedora 11 with GNOME for the very first time. The dual-panels use up some real estate, but something about this old desktop metaphor is just so at-home. I guess it's because I was raised/educated on both Win9x and Mac OS 9.
>>51313826
I use the T420 to do portable games, in case the desktop computer is completely unreachable. I've used a shitty ULV i3 with the HD4000 before, and it is miles better than the HD3000, to the point I'd say it's definitely worth it as an upgrade, if you do anything 3D or want to save some watts. Of course, this is all for naught if the new BIOS are not stable, as they're obviously a part of the system whose tinkering and modding shouldn't be taken lightly.
>>51313825
I hope you can make good use of the poor thing with an external monitor, and possibly find a cheap panel sometime (investing a ton on older machines is never worth it if you already have a replacement). I'm a strong believer in not letting working hardware die, and I've previously invested $60 on parts and tools, along with blood, sweat, tears, and inhaled carcinogenic fumes, to bring a Macintosh SE/30 with leaking capacitors back to life, better than the day it was built. Why does the panel go yellow, anyway? Does the CCFL backlight die, or does the whole LCD go kaput?
>buy through ebay international thing
>it goes through 5 post offices
>a week after ordering it's only reached the global shipping center
>still need to wait for ebay to ship it, and for it to go through customs here, and only after that to go to my local post office so I can receive my device
th-thanks ebay international shipping program
I paid 87 dollars for this
50 to the seller to ship to their center in Kentucky from Illinois, and an extra 87 for taxes and shipping from Kentucky to my country.
This is one of the most pants on head retarded systems.
Then again literally nobody will ship to my country otherwise.
>$137 shipping and taxes
>on a $300 device
I blame obama
>>51315051
X60t dude here.
dont worry about it. i just find a way to mitigate the yellowish color by using a color profile to the blue side.
its not perfect but it works. im gonna use on the kitchen to watch movies when im cooking
FUCK BROS, MY T410 IS LITERALLY DYING!
Shutting down randomly and frequently.
I'm considering buying an emergency T420. Any good deals right now?
Many thanks
>>51313649
Are you running Windows 10 or something? I am running bunsen labs just fine, no SSD either.
My idiot sister decided that buying a refurbished 2010 Macbook for 500 bucks was a good idea.
What thinkpad would you suggest to someone for basic word stuff, internet, and accessing her work computer via remote desktop for less than 500 bucks? New or Refurbished from the Lenovo outlet preferred. 13" preferred as well.
>>51315370
Is this a good deal?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Professional-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B010GIUDUC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1447362970&sr=8-4&keywords=thinkpad+t420
>>51315556
>My idiot sister decided that buying a refurbished 2010 Macbook for 500 bucks was a good idea.
Are you fucking serious? I got a 2013 Air for $600.
>>51316478
IKR? She's getting reamed for 500 bucks.
>>51314962
go rescue your waifu.
>>51316597
i can harldy recommend a Laptop for audio processing. unless expresscards exists for this purpouse which is alien to me.
Captcha: ribs counts as sandwich apparently
>>51316562
I will, very soon. Office hours are 4:30 to 6:30, and I have someone to pick up from work at ~4.
>>51316597
T420 with an i7. DAWs and programs like Traktor are pretty CPU intensive.
>>51316597
i'll have to agree with >>51316667
just stick to a desktop for DAWs.
>>51316597
>13
man what are you doing here, only pain and suffering comes from this place. leave while you still can, go outside, get fit, make friends, get a GF in a year or two. jesus please dont become me
>>51311293
>never used TLP
I haven't either, but it seems that it works. It was on AC mode when I was shutting down the system and I accidentally unplugged the AC cable, and it instantly turned off, lol
thinkpad (refurb) came in today, charged the battery and i'm getting this warning, should I really buy a new battery?
>>51316983
>should I really buy a new battery?
Tell the seller the battery is fucked, ask for get a partial refund or a different battery.
>>51316983
>>51317061
pretty sure every listing says that battery life is not guaranteed
hmmm..
>>51316667
>>51316742
yeah figured. most of the music i'm currently playing requires a daw/midi hookup where i footpedal trigger samples/backgrounds n stuff from. the idea was to use a mobile 'live' rig to work, record nd use @ jams. using this mobile daw would give a wider range of sounds/space as opposed to a sampler which i don't have a lot of money to throw on equip. yet.
>>51316753
lol ;)
will look into. thx bros
>>51317164
> The original battery is typically included therefore we can not guarantee the charge time.
That's all the seller mentioned with regards to the battery.
When it arrived, I opened the box and it was powered on, is that normal? Plus the battery included is a 9 cell (not the original battery).
>>51316983
2 hours is pretty decent for a second hand battery & no one is going to give you a refund because the battery isn't perfect, they're perishable items.
What would be a decent condition X60t be worth?
Can the screen be judged from seller photos?
>>51317505
>Plus the battery included is a 9 cell (not the original battery).
The seller didn't specifically state it would come with the original. "Typically" being the key word they used.
>When it arrived, I opened the box and it was powered on, is that normal?
No. Generally the batteries are disconnected from the laptop making it impossible for the device to power on.
>>51317900
>No. Generally the batteries are disconnected from the laptop making it impossible for the device to power on.
Well the battery was definitely attached, and on! "Wtf?" was my reaction. Althought I wasn't suprised once I opened it and saw it was on 3%. The battery can now only store 38% of it's original full capacity.
Tbh I find this to be the sellers fault, that they should correct.
>>51318003
>I find this to be the sellers fault
It is not. You were warned that they could not guarantee the originality or condition of the battery. You, should have, purchased the item knowing the battery could be in poor shape.
Unless your seller goes above and beyond what they are required to do, my expectation is that they will not replace or offer a partial refund for the battery. They might offer a return on the entire laptop, assuming you pay the return shipping/any restocking fees they might charge.
Welcome to the world of buying used and second hand electronics. Now you might understand why there there exists people who refuse to buy used.
>>51303590
dota 2 should be able to run on a toaster unless the source 2 update fucked it
>w520 i7 16GB FHD
>$375
Should I?
My bottom m1 button on my t61 feels jammed, it doesn't make the typical "click" they usually do and doesn't click down. Anyway to fix this
Daily reminder that the XX30 series keyboards are actually really great, and the people who say otherwise are just sad they can't afford one.
>>51313825
maybe if you don't stick carbon fiber vinyl on it this time. (Didn't you have an X200 that was covered in the same vinyl that you sold on eBay?)
What would be a good price for the X200s? I'd like a higher resolution screen, but the ones on ebay seen to go for 120-200, which is quite expensive
where would you guys reccomend buying a replacement x220 battery from? I hear bad things about ebay ones being fakes etc?
anyone had any good experiences?
>>51318212
Ah well, not a big issue, but nonetheless an issue.
no way am I returning it, came with the nvidia gfx and 64bit (advertised as intel gfx and 32bit). excellent condition, looks brand new. if they don't replace the battery, i'll just buy a replacement.
So basically ThinkPads arent good for games
>>51318707
get a GAYMAN laptop for that anyways
>>51318707
laptops in general are bad for games, is it really surprising that 5 year old laptops with onboard graphics and dated CPUs are too?
I'm not 100% sold on the thinkpad meme, but the prices look great.
I've got a 5 year old acer which has turned into ugly trash over the years. 17" screen, quad core, 5650 mobility...but it runs really hot now and the video card crashes constantly if I try running a game above the minimum settings.
I'm under the impression these ThinkPads are well built, moreso than cheap Acer's or the like. I paid ~$900 for this laptop new, would it be worth pawning or trashing for a ~$300 w500 or even the t420 for ~$200?
The specs look similar, sans the non-integrated graphics...but what's the point of specifically looking for a decent gfx card if the gaming experience is going to degrade over the years?
>>51318799
Acers are some of the worst built shit. Only thing worse is cheap off brand chink shit.
>>51318337
hahahhaa, nah i havent sell anything on ebay, the carbon fiber vynl was for hiding a hideous scratching on the palm rest.
>>51318840
Yeah I know that now, and I got a huge/heavy one.
There's a broken piece of plastic inside it somewhere. I can hear it when I move the laptop around. The hinges still are alright, but those plastic corners busted and I've had to sand down the sharp plastic edges else I cut my wrists.
Never getting an acer again
>>51318895
It's probably the fans of some sort
My brother and sister got Acers in 2005, and I got one in 2006.
Damn thing had the motherboard, DVD drive, GPU, and RAM fail all within the first 6 months.
The replacement unit still works, but it's always been so damn slow even with a light linux installation.
>>51292902
Is this good?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Windows-7-Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-Laptop-Core-i5-2-50GHz-4GB-Ram-1Y-Warranty-CHEAP-/321491873804?hash=item4ada68b00c:g:xAoAAOSwBLlU-X~O
>>51317699
>Can the screen be judged from seller photos?
yes, compare with my photo >>51318337 thats a x60t with dying blacklight
>What would be a decent condition X60t be worth?
i would say 100 usd. (or less)
captcha: sushi doesnt count as fish
>>51317699
fuck, wrong link
see >>51313825
instead of >>51318337
hey /tpg/
great resources here and have helped me buy now nearly a dozen ThinkPads for various uses over the last year.
Recently bought a x230 with IPS and extended battery. Unfortunately no recovery partition on the machine. Need to wipe and reinstall but don't want to pay Lenovo AUD$120 to ship me new recovery media. Is there a simpler / cheaper way? What do?
It's here!
>>51319697
post nudes you bastard
>>51319712
is this ok?
>>51319778
>>51319712
i believe he meant the thinkpad you dweeb
>>51319605
http://mirror.corenoc.de/digitalrivercontent.net/
My dual-core W520 got here, and while most of the computer is pristine, the battery is fucked. It arrived bulging and broken, despite the fact that the seller said it was in pristine condition. Kinda pissed considering I paid well over market price ($400) under the assumption that this thing was mint. I'm thinking about just returning it and getting my money back.
Anyone have experiences returning shit through eBay?
>>51318333
If Lenovo had made a 7-row version of this keyboard, I would have absolutely no problem getting one.
>>51319778
>>51319697
I really hope this doesn't turn into a variation of the Akari gifs from the watch thread.
And now for the fun of getting screen rotation to work under Fedora with KDE!
>>51320061
Ask for a large refund, if he denies it, or sends you less than 8% tell PayPal that the item you received did not match the description, and you will get all of your money back, and you will not even have to send the laptop back.
>>51318333
They are, yes it sucks that forward/back buttons are gone, but for me its either the original 6 Row or bust.
They feel great, X1C doesn't tho :x
>>51302231
They're a meme to an extent. They're not the best laptop you'll buy for under $200 if we consider every single thing about a product. A chromebook would win that. There are several things about thinkpads that are just not that great even compared to a sub $200 chromebook even. They are not portable. The trackpads are just awful. The battery life is not good unless you want to spend a sweet $100+ on a couple of new batteries. The hardware is old and will eventually wear out. Electronics do not age perfectly well, especially in inefficient, laptop forms. The screens are fairly terrible unless you get one of the last couple of generations. They aren't as durable as so many people shill on here. The x220 has many issues with the IR section just snapping off. The T400/410/420 have bad hinges and leakage. They aren't the perfect machines. The keyboards aren't even that great. Getting used to that useless trackpoint being in the center of the keyboard fucks with your typing. The only people that actually like thinkpads have been using them for years and don't know anything else.
Could you use a used one, say one of the 5 year old X220's or T420's for three years now without having any issues? No way.
I'm having a hard time selling my T510 for $250 CAD.
It has a 3G sim lot, but idk if people will think of that as a selling point.
I'd be open to a trade for an x200, would I have to put my up for laptop+cash?
Using the buyers guide for the pricepoint.
>>51322399
>5 year old X220's or T420's
>5 year old Sandy Bridge laptops
>Sandy Bridge was released late 2011
Anon those are at worst 4 years old, likely closer to 3.
>Everything finally just werks
Now to do more dumb shit on it! Like install Wine and play yugioh!
>>51317536
so what's considered a good price for a T420 in good condition?
anyone ever get a refurbished thinkpad on blackfriday for a good deal?
I bought my mum an X220 and it came with a US keyboard.
She wants to switch to something else with a bigger screen.
Would a T420 be the be the best option?
She is literally using it for checking emails and word processing.
>>51322175
x60t anon here
ah screen rotation. i lost a sizable chunk of my life getting it to work. check my video
(thats KDE btw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfnIFpuPUP4
Are the ThinkPad Yoga and X1 Carbon chinkpads or do they have that robust American build quality?
I got 8GB of DDR3-1333 RAM in my X220, is it worth it to upgrade it to 1600, or higher? Can it even handle that kind of RAM?
>>51325234
It'll just run at the highest clock it can handle, probably 1333
>>51324928
It'd be the next thing up. Maybe consider a T520 too
>>51325582
It can do 1866 with BIOS mod.
>>51310703
There's a guy selling them on ebay already for 250 with Libreboot installed.
