In a recent interview, Edward Snowden unveiled his top five security tools that he uses all the time to protect his communications and devices against surveillance and hacking. These include the Tor anonymizing network, the Signal private messenger, Off-The-Record (OTR) encryption protocol, TAILS, the portable anonymity-focused operating system, and Qubes OS, the operating system that offers security through compartmentalization.
Interview: http://fokus.dn.se/edward-snowden-english
Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/edward-snowden-favorite-security-tools,30507.html#xtor=RSS-998
>>51286624
I truly hope people of /g/ have all watched Citizenfour. It is incredibly scary, 2 hour, interview of Snowden.
We were the first and the last generation to experience the short lived, free internet. Insane.
>>51286624
>Tor
>against surveillance
>against hacking
u wot? Pretty sure Tor isn't secure. My friend hosts a couple of websites and trolls Tor users by sending them messages that they're followed
>>51286660
Define free internet
>>51286681
>trolls Tor users by sending them messages that they're followed
I like your friend.
>>51286700
He used to get a lot of messages to his email because of it. The message is something like 'You are being monitored' and pretends to be a notification from our central police unit.
>>51286681
Tor does it's job well if you aren't retarded
>>51286681
Tor is safe. Please explain to me how someone who "runs a couple of websites" can deanonymize tor users on a large scale when the NSA hasn't been able to.
>>51286624
>Signal private messenger
I wonder how he uses this
It's either accepting Play Services and it's tracking anti-features or using that FOSS replacement that seems to not realy work
>>51286907
>Actually believing NSA hasn't cracked the fuck out of Tor by now.
>>51287001
It hasn't, if the NSA had cracked Tor it would had cracked AES, and with that pretty much any usual encryption
>>51287001
They tried, but tor ain't shit dude.
>>51287001
Please explain how that would even be possible. It's been a target for years, as of 2013 we know it's safe. They can crack it on a limited basis by using timing attacks.
>>51286624
>Eddy doesn't use I2P
>Uses T(nsa)r instead
No wonder he has to hide his ass in the cold russian tundra now
>>51287264
I2P is less ideal for browsing normal websites
>>51287283
I2P also has an outproxy to browse the clearnet like you do with exit nodes on Tor.
>>51286624
I don't care about my privacy anyway!! i make money i am a shell of a human.
>>51287554
That's the attitude of most people even in 4chan (except the money part)
Scary
>>51286624
This fucking faggot came out in favor of Black Lives Matter and defended that retard Mike Brown.
Fuck him.
>>51287554
>>51287576
Why should you care about your privacy?
>>51286660
>hurr le free internetz iz disappearing ;_;
Fuck off back to reddit mongoloid this website is 18 plus
Privacy is a dumb concern. It's censorship that's the problem. Why do you care about the symptom and not the disease?
>>51287643
Nothing is censored you dumb fucking retard every media outlet is flooded with disinformation and useless information.
They don't need to censor.
>>51287697
Seems like censorship. to me.
but does he use a thinkpad?
>>51287593
Really? That's more than mildly disappointing.
>>51287593
e wuz gud boi, didnu nuffin
>>51287593
>>51287786
>>51287784
hola /pol/
>>51287593
Until you can provide source you're an NSA shill.
>>51287760
He was photographed with a Thinkpad back in 2013
>>51287593
I recall how he came against something related to SJW in his Twitter, and he promptly deleted the tweet when he noticed the mob was coming to lynch him
>>51287814
Hola faggot, shouldn't you be protesting people having jobs or something?
>>51287814
How can anyone support BLM?
>>51287818
http://qz.com/522797/black-lives-matter-activists-have-a-new-ally-edward-snowden/
>>51287868
He didn't exactly express support for brown or blm.
The only thing he said from those tweets that I don't agree on is this
>Police violence, like surveillance, is unevenly distributed. Arbitrary violence is a threat to civil society.
But other than that I think he's right.
>>51287643
>Privacy is a dumb concern. It's censorship that's the problem. Why do you care about the symptom and not the disease?
if you don't have privacy, you get self-censorship. Privacy is a necessary (though not sufficient) condition for freedom from censorship.
So one of the things he suggests is Qubes. Reading about it they wrote this on their site, when discussing how safe it is to have a different physical PC for added security.
>Malware which can bridge air gaps has existed for several years now and is becoming increasingly common.
What the hell is that?
>>51287031
>>51287024
Actually believing NSA needs to crack tor when it was specifically made for the US military
>>51288248
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gap_%28networking%29
>>51288275
Openly audited, the code is FOSS, go find the backdoor m8
>>51288275
That's like saying the GPS doesn't work for the Chinese.
>>51288282
Holy crap
>Because most modern computers, especially laptops, have built-in microphones and speakers, air-gap malware can be designed to communicate secure information acoustically, at frequencies near or beyond the limit of human hearing.
This is amazing.
>>51288374
You mean 'fuck yeah amazing' or 'holy shit scary'
>>51288374
Speakers can also be turned into crude microphones.
If you really want to see something scary, you should look at what Intel's Management Engine is capable of. All Intel processors made after 2006 are essentially backdoored. Intel can exfiltrate data from your computer as long as the power and network are connected. This includes when the computer is "off." Libreboot seems to be the only answer, and support ends at the xx00 series of thinkpads.
>>51286907
The NSA literally made tor
>>51288835
The NSA contributed a lot to AES and SELinux too, doesn't mean they're inherently backdoored
>>51287843
George Soros money
or RIDF
>>51288789
Does Libreboot consistently need support to operate safely?
It seems virtually impossible to operate a computer online without some sort of backdoor, botnet, or other spying ability.
>>51287001
They don't have to crack Tor if they can monitor the exit nodes
>Which they totally probably can
>>51289112
I bet they own most of the exit nodes, which is why you need end to end encryption even while using Tor.
>>51289112
>>51289125
Let's not forget Dan Egerstad. Setting up some exit nodes he was able to monitor the emails, instant messages, and email account credentials of Australia, Japan, Iran, India and Russia embassies, the Iranian Foreign Ministry, the Indian Ministry of Defence and the Dalai Lama's liaison office.
who is edward snowden
>>51289363
this guy
>>51287617
kill yourself
>>51288136
this
perfectly worded anon
>>51286624
The Nsa can look at my browsing history all they want. It's mostly gay porn and YouTube videos
>>51289416
and then SJ got twisted by thumblristas
I love how everyone on this site worries about the NSA spying on them. Unless you're smuggling 600 tons of weed or running guns or something they have way, way bigger fish to fry.
Let em spy all they want. Go arrest some assholes
>>51289691
The NSA literally spies on everyone m8
Fuck off shill
>>51286624
>http://www.tomshardware.com/news/edward-snowden-favorite-security-tools,30507.html#xtor=RSS-998
snowden confirmed for being either an NSA shill or not knowing what the fuck he's talking about
either way
>dangerous
>>51288835
Well, it was actually the Naval Research Lab. They handed everything off to a nonprofit almost 20 years ago. Everything is open source, it relies on AES encryption (which has proven to be secure by the NSA's inability to crack OTR messages), and the lead developers are good friends of Laura Poitras, Greenwald, and Snowden. Furthermore, their leaked slides make it abundantly clear that there is no widespread compromise of the Tor network.
>>51289691
You're correct. They only actively spy on large criminals, such as heads of state, foreign companies, developers of software they want to compromise, love interests of analysts, journalists, people who cheat on their taxes, whistle-blowers. Everyone else is just subjected to having all of their Internet history seized, searched, and queried at will.
>>51289832
>tripfag
Confirmed for dumb faggot
>>51289860
literally this is the first time I haven't used this trip for shitposting and i've made 3~ other posts with it
>>51289860
point #1
>linux is shit
point #2
>recommending software he hasn't written himself
point #3
>sending your traffic through a "random" network of computers doesn't make it more secure, it just means it can be intercepted by whoever gets the packets, or, more certainly: whoever has the greatest # of controlled zombies on the network
TOR is literally dogshit
point #4
>numbers are not secure
Never trust numbers cited by a panel of experts as being unbreakable
Listen to the cofounder of intel
he wrote something called Moore's law...look it up
it is the only trend in computer science that has been relatively linear in the jist of it not being towards cheap faggotry and outsourcing everything to china
point #5
he's the posterboy of the NSA mindset
>hurr I love my country so I'm doing thing X
>hurr look at how noble I am
>hurr I'm a dangerous haxxor who needs to do all these spy things so I don't get blown up
/thread
>>51290014
Literally memepost, you have no idea about what you're talking
>>51290014
>linux is shit
GNU/Linux is FOSS and has reasonable security
>recommending software he hasn't written himself
All of it has been audited by multiple independent researchers, all of them are FOSS too
>sending your traffic through a "random" network of computers doesn't make it more secure, it just means it can be intercepted by whoever gets the packets, or, more certainly: whoever has the greatest # of controlled zombies on the network
You don't know how Tor works, right? So far not even the NSA has been able to control it, also you're supposed to use end to end encryption, which means no one can read your packets
>numbers are not secure
I guess you didn't even understood Calculus I
>>51290014
>I love my country so I'm doing thing X
>look at how noble I am
He never said that you dipshit. Matter of fact he said he doesn't believe in altruism and he didn't do it for his country.
>>51290014
You are literally cancer. It is better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Tor traffic is encrypted. The only real threat is timing attacks from an adversary who watches the entire network.
Moore's law has nothing to do with your argument.
>>51290187
>Moore's law has nothing to do with your argument.
He believes the only real thing in mathematics is Moore's Law, that's why he references it
He thinks any form of cryptography is flawed because "numbers are not secure", ie. he implies mathematics are dumb and don't work
>>51290208
If anything, Moores "law" shows us that encryption will be secure for a very long time. That guy is either a troll or a kid, nobody else is stupid enough to seriously hold those opinions.
>>51286700
if I did that too you would like me for it
no you would admire me
>>51290014
>>51290208
no you shitbrained little kek
numbers are insecure aes 256 will be broken like peanuts in the future
it's could already be possible...the NSA probably has contracts for processors unavailable to the public...why the fuck do you think the latest AMD card only has 4 GB of hbm? protip: running hashtables is a lot easier when you have more memory (AMD also has a history of being keks so it could just be that they're retarded)
>>51290239
Moore's law shows that processing power increases exponentially whilst a comity of fraudulent assfucks cannot imagine the potential of increased processing power...
AMD64 provides for the managment of several pb of VRAM
it is plausible therefore that a hashtable can be utilized to some degree of effectiveness considering the card has literally 5760 CUDA cores
AMD probably blew their load on the performance of the memory and forgot how to effectively prevent housefires hence there only being 4GB (<- lel it's a joke)
>you cannot put a number high enough to stop people from trying to unlock the gate of unlimited influence
I have skepticism
>>51290187
>literally
>fucking
>kek
if the NSA knew that TOR was insecure would the put up a sign reading "LEL WE KNOW GUYS"
for them TOR is just a feeding zone...any proficient criminal would be intelligent enough to "not communicate mission critical information over a network that passes through the servers of the two major US ISPs for the majority of traffic"
it simply doesn't make sense
and as far as recommending TOR for personal use, hey great
if you drink the kool-aide so does everyone else...even people with less innocent intentions
>>51290186
he said she said
the guy is too healthy
the amount of fear he would be experiencing if he were actually the peace loving villain he portrays would play a toll on his physical appearance considering that he is gamed into a system that controls people he openly implicated
if you watch citizen four he mentions his girlfriend
>>51288331
Isn't the issue with tor something about them theoretically being able to own a majority of the nodes? Or exit nodes?
>>51290542
This is what I was trying to say:
>>51289112
>>51289112
The exit nodes won't tell you shit about the user if they're using https. The problem in the past was that http was being used for login info, etc.
>>51290531
If Moores law is consistent then we can accurately predict when AES 256 can be broken. As of 2013, it hasn't been. The raw feeds from xkeyscore show that OTR, which relies on AES 256, hasn't been cracked.
Stop spreading FUD.
>>51290531
if you watch the story of aaron swartz you can see how a person could come to the conclusion that the government has gone askew
and he was just a fucking script kiddie
which is funny
because snowden doesn't even have that qualification to his name
he's just a monkey flipping switches until suddenly he is overcome with the euphoric notion that he is breaking the moral boundaries of a society that he is a) in a mutually beneficial relationship with (it gives him money, a woman, a caring family, and modest recognition for his contributions) and b) supposedly provides free passage to the busyworkers who are on the "in"
he is genetically weak, he displays feminine characteristics both physically and maternally (he is the hero we deserve, but the love he receives from everyone from the "hacktivists" to "liberalized onlookers" is rewarding enough that one day his wisdom will give him peace of mind and true freedom)
so what does he do
he gets an interview
in which he details such a small amount of information,
gives such an aura of contrived paranoia that you begin to feel the pretension of every response he makes, and just acts plain "goofy" when the lobby rings about the fire drill
it was all to create a vibe
to develop a rapport with his audience
and who would know better about how to give of the "cues" of a freedom loving individual without actually loving the freedom to communicate?
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>>51290531
>AMD64
>VRAM
You get all your info from /v/?
>numbers are insecure aes 256 will be broken like peanuts in the future
Current attacks are way slower than bruteforcing, the keyspace of 256 bit AES is too massive to be searched, even with the power of all current computers in existence
>why the fuck do you think the latest AMD card only has 4 GB of hbm?
Literally new technology, you're retarded
>AMD probably blew their load on the performance of the memory and forgot how to effectively prevent housefires hence there only being 4GB (<- lel it's a joke)
Yes, straight from /v/
>if the NSA knew that TOR was insecure would the put up a sign reading "LEL WE KNOW GUYS"
NSA internal docs say that they can't attack the Tor network effectively
It's irrelevant where the data goes through, it's only relevant if the enemy owns most if not all of the nodes, and even then the data can't be read since it's encrypted
You write short one liners, are you from Reddit?
>>51290542
Timing attacks, look it up
>>51290664
jesus fucking christ
did you read my post where I mentioned that the NSA doesn't stick up signs whenever they achieve massive breakthroughs in the field of processing technology?
they build massive facilities.
they trickle the technology down to mainstream corporations.
that's how Moore's law is still in effect
it's a safe market pattern
new processors aren't inherently better because some box of prestigious engineers sat in a room for 1 year (tick) and spent the time developing masturbation techniques for one half and the other half doing actual work (tock)
>>51290726
AMD64 is an instruction set specification
VRAM is virtual memory
...not all implementations of the specification have included such capacities
>btfo
>>51290693
Snowden wasn't a monkey flipping switches, he held a high position in Switzerland where he received CIA training and cover. As a contractor for the NSA he made over a quarter million a year. Stop talking out of your ass and go to bed.
>>51290743
Go to bed, troll. We saw their classified slides and raw intel files. They haven't cracked AES 256 as of 2013. If Moores law is still in effect then you should be able to accurately calculate the power of the NSA's processors.
>>51290759
it seems that what I meant to say (thanks anon for pointing this out) was "virtual memory" I'm confused on the semantics of naming conventions
>>51290769
let's talk about a history of the redpill
>who killed JFK
once you start to see the malicious effectiveness of our policy makers, you no longer question the technical ability of those who execute them
>>51290693
>tripfag
>opinion discarded
>>51290806
it's an illusion
we're all tripfags
you sense that I have an agenda that isn't shilling
you fail to provide valid arguments
>ebin
simply ebin
>>51290799
>jfk
>malicious effectiveness
If it was a CIA operation, then it was terribly implemented.
>>51290806
and anyway
trip is a site feature
a tripfag is someone who jumps on a trip the instant they see a post by another trip, having never posted on 4chan before
>>51290693
>he's just a monkey flipping switches
The information he had access to proves he had some of the highest qualifications out there
>>51290743
>did you read my post where I mentioned that the NSA doesn't stick up signs whenever they achieve massive breakthroughs in the field of processing technology?
Some of the internal docs had Top Secret clearences, ie. they aren't signs out there
Are you actually retarded? They actually had mention of their efforts in breaking AES, and how they were far from breaking it
>>51290759
>AMD64 is an instruction set specification
AMD64 has nothing to do with GPGPU computing, which you're implying they use to create hashtables
>VRAM is virtual memory
VRAM is Video RAM
>5076 CUDA cores
AMD doesn't use CUDA, CUDA is a propietary technology used by Nvidia
You're implying they would be able to create hashtables to crack AES, this notion is beyond retarded
First, the keyspace of 256 bit AES is so massive it can't be computed in any reasonable timeframe by any technology
Second, a hash table doesn't work to break AES, a hash table works against hashes, AES is a block cipher
Third, most modern systems that use hash functions salt their hashes, and also run a few hundred thousands of iterations of the hash algorithm, making it stupidly harder to compute all of them
>>51290830
nobody knew about it until the Files interview
and then nobody believed him
he was silenced
but he is so purely animalistic that he was able to recount details that he was incapable of making up
the people who conducted the interview posed a question about UFOs at the end
to make him seem disheveled
but he smiled knowingly
he hallucinates of a religious fantasy
but he has only ever been a hunter until he was imprisoned
he lost his mind but not his memories
and he can still speak english
the prompts came
and he told his story to a camera
>>51287617
LELKEK!! Are you ArchiBUNKERRZ??? XD
>>51290842
>>51290784
VRAM is a subset of virtual memory
I was correct but not entirely lucid regarding the semantics of naming conventions
virtual memory is not necessarily vram
vram is a subset of virtual memory
>it's funny
if you look at it all memory is random access in a computer
except for that under locks
but "ram" can be encrypted
so that it is no longer "random access"
>>51290889
VRAM isn't virtual memory, it's actual memory
Virtual memory is a convention used to refer to page files, or swap in the *nix word
Dont forget that skylake chips have microphones in them. That are always on, always drawing power, as long as it's plugged in of course.
>>51287617
>being this triggered
>>51290917
Here, this image straight from the Wikipedia article on Virtual Memory will help to understand the concept
Also why do you imply that virtual memory hasn't been implemented in all AMD64 implementations? I can't think of anything made in the last two decades that's unable to use virtual memory, maybe some embedded chips can't though
>>51290951
Anything made in the last decade by Intel is inherently backdoored, look at the Management Engine too, or at the SMM, that ring 2 vuln reported a few months back is spooky as hell
>>51290014
>>51290531
>>51290743
Moore's law suggests exponential growth of processing power. In order for AES to be breakable, we will need a magnitude shift of around ~50 in our current processing power. According to the law this will be in ~175 years. If you think that is a realistic increase in processing power WRT transistor density, you don't understand mathematics.
>>51290966
I figured I could stay with haswell and just upgrade to a higher core CPU, but now I'm thinking I'll switch to amd, are they safe at all?
>>51290917
all memory is a subset of virtual memory in the eyes of the CPU
what was the 32 bit fiasco where you couldn't add more than 4GB of RAM?
I think that the address space was not large enough for the CPU
16 exbibytes (in theory) in AMD64
this is my original point
if you are making a hashtable to crack an encrypted object
you are going to use virtual memory more than physical memory
having 4GB of VRAM is a bottleneck in my view
but I reached that conclusion because I can buy a card with more VRAM for the same price, not because i have experience in this field
I theorize that prior to HBM the speed a card could reallocate the virtual memory table into physical VRAM (allocated from the CPU, from a ramdisk) was the bottleneck
but then again maybe AMD is just a lot of keks
on an unrelated note the greatest (ego) in processor engineering (consumer processor engineering) has recently left AMD (maybe he felt there should have been more VRAM)
>>51290987
I doubt the situation it's much better desu senpai
But it should be better, anyways, the only slightly backdoor free way is a Libreboot system
>>51290977
Moore's law is FUD to promote intel
don't actually take it seriously to the dot
take it with
some salt
>>51291012
desu means this
that post doesn't make sense
>>51291012
an operating system is as secure as its networking card
intel makes most wlan chips nowadays
we're all fucked
even those of us with thinkpads
>>51291011
>what was the 32 bit fiasco where you couldn't add more than 4GB of RAM?
That wasn't a fiasco, it's a limitation of the space that can be addresed with 32 bits, and anyways you can use more than 4 gb of RAM through PAE in 32 bits systems
>if you are making a hashtable to crack an encrypted object
Hash tables only work to crack hashes, not ciphers
>having 4GB of VRAM is a bottleneck in my view
There's publicly available GPGPU's with 32 gb of memory
>I theorize that prior to HBM the speed a card could reallocate the virtual memory table into physical VRAM (allocated from the CPU, from a ramdisk) was the bottleneck
You're still limited by the speed of the slowest memory in the system, in that case the ramdisk
>on an unrelated note the greatest (ego) in processor engineering (consumer processor engineering) has recently left AMD (maybe he felt there should have been more VRAM)
That's how Keller works, when K8 was designed (and along that HyperTransport, AMD64) he was just one year at AMD, this time he was three
Also, he didn't work at the graphics division
>>51291045
There's FOSS drivers for some network chips, and anyways a truly secure system would never be connected to the internet
>>51291045
(in theory)
my man theo would say that an OS is as secure as how your user will chose to destroy it (ie making modifying files post install)
my trip is y2gstw
feel free to use it at your discression whenever you see someone not being paranoid enough about their CP collections public visibility
>>51288789
>Libreboot seems to be the only answer, and support ends at the xx00 series of thinkpads.
Li breboot recently added a few Opteron server boards from AMD and another AMD board is on the way.
>>51291076
>my man theo would say that an OS is as secure as how your user will chose to destroy it (ie making modifying files post install)
He says this because the base OpenBSD system is pretty secure, but the software that the user might install could not be secure
>>51291108
There is also a chrome book that has FOSS EC firmware too.
>>51291069
the driver is not the issue
it's the instruction set implemented on the radio device that will be your downfall
what if each packet sent from the card comes attached with a timestamp that is stripped at each mainframe server compromised by a virus?
what if the chip has an off-switch?
what if the chip is capable of storing packets beyond the scope of a handshake, and repeating said handshake when prompted by another switch?
what if the chip has can activate at the sound of keystrokes?
your firewall is your exit node.
nothing beyond your own exit node is within your control.
connecting to the internet is fine as long as you have an idiocy filter (and a good network card)
I'm assuming keller left for personal reasons
and that he had knowledge relative to the workings of AMD
>>51291069
you are limited by thermodynamics and memory capacity, to be limited by one way data transit rate is something of the past
I do not know about this beyond what the shills of /g/ have told me and a briefing by a wikipedia artical several months ago
>>51288789
> Intel's Management Engine
Can you tell me more about it?
I tired to search on this, but i can't find something .
And is there any protecion against it?
>>51289027
It doesn't. There are new versions thst come out, but usually only when a new board is supported.
>>51291045
>>desu means this
>that post doesn't make sense
Desu mesns to be honest (t b h)
Senpai means family (as in f a m)
Shit's wordfiltered since start of the month, how new are you?
>>51291213
Libreboot is the only solution. Or use an old, pre-2006 processor. It's basically a hardwired backdoor that runs separately in the processor and has root access to the system. It can access everything on the system as long as it has a network connection and power (laptop battery being plugged in, or desktop being plugged in is enough). There are a few legit uses for employee computers, but otherwise it's useless and impossible to disable. There's also no way to check it's signature to ensure it hasn't been tampered with.
>thread was supposed to be about the security tools Snowden uses
>turns into a shitfest of racist faggots vs liberals discussing black lives matters and other shit
>/g/ is worse than tumblr or /v/ at this point
>>51291110
it's all mudslinging but I use now because I thought I agreed with his politics
until I read a powerpoint he made at a hacker conference where he belittled software projects that he was not involved with nor had any direct understanding of what they were mitigating against (over thinking security design paradigms despite having an ugly base). I also didn't feel that he was explicit enough about why the features they offered were "bad" in the slide, and could only imagine him wining on about some shit nobody cares about, while covering a software project that only two other people in the room had even heard of, one being a member of the project, and the other never having actually used it, and thus being uncertain about why person X (who happened to be sitting next to him) even bothered in contributing LoC to it in the first place...
he largely recommends his 'product' because there are specific instances of other products not working or being 'weak'
I share this perspective
I also am becoming increasingly aware that there are projects worthy of praise on the fact that they even bothered with existing (musl lib c being one example)
>>51291250
>Libreboot is the only solution. Or use an old, pre-2006 processor.
Even then you're at the mercy of SMM vulnerabilities, so yeah, Libreboot is the only option
>>51291270
Literally only like 5 posts, read the thread faggot shill
>>51291250
What if i run it on viratual machine that only has acces to the internet via usb lan/3g modem?
The host would't have access and drivers is it a solution?
>>51291230
I'm familiar with the context in which the meme is used but I read an article explaining the literal definition of 'desu' in Japanese, and it seems to be a grammatical pattern serving to dereference a previously addressed subject without correcting the previously "complete sentence" to be compound
>>51291285
ME runs independent of the OS. It's terrifying, honestly. Libreboot + Qubes and Whonix seems like a safe solution, but the boards that support libreboot don't support vt-d, which is necessary for proper virtualization.
>>51291301
It isn't used in the japanese sense, not even back in 2003, it was used in the meme sense (which meant nothing)
Nowadays faggot admin implemented global wordfilters that change certain words into other words
Is this like your first week here? How new can you get?
same trip pw
someone ples ss this entire thread by using the console command 'screenshot --fullpage x.png' in firefox and upload it here
>>51291076
>>51291276
>getting mad on an anonymous imageboard
>giving a total stranger complete control over your emotions on an anonymous imageboard
Who's the real faggot here kid?
>>51291334
I read the article about DESU DESU DESU
like 3 years ago when I first came to post srs on 4chan but forgot about that since nobody does that anymore
they just desu
>>51291340
>mad
>literally the most common words in 4chan
Is it your first day here?
>>51291334
I read the article about DESU DESU DESU
like 3 years ago when I first came to post srs on 4chan but forgot about that since nobody does that anymore
they just desu
>>51291334
I'm using chrome and comcast to post this and am curious about selective censorship on 4chan...it exists on okcupid and I was sure the ppl who run okc wouldn't be that mean
>the intenet's own child
I found this to be propoganda and I don't trust newmoot
the guy portrayed in the movie was an idealist and a scriptkiddie, and positively irrelevant to the way future generations will be able to mitigate authoritarianism
>>51291352
Apparently it's yours when a few simple words were enough to make you lose your wit. It honestly made me laugh to realize I'm basically a puppet master tugging at your strings.
>>51291344
and so I looked it up again 2 days ago and got annoyed after I realized I had posted 'desu' in the traditional sense of
>lel this is 4chan culture
>>51291381
>lose wit
>by calling someone a faggot
You know faggot it's the most common way to refer to someone here, right? This is literally your first day here
>>51286907
Dude the US government made tor.
>>51291374
hence newmoot has 2 strikes against me
the first being how cute he is
the second being him posting lelsex ebin propoganda which is actually just (seemingly once put into the context of being part of a series of disinformational 'intimate broadcastings of the culturally radicalized, inept little genetic fuckups') keking at a gimp who tried to do something positive
>>51291387
>he's still upset I have him dancing
Are you going to drop the "hello reddit" in the next (You) you give me kid? I promise not to yank your strings too hard puppet lmao
>>51291417
>>51290531
How do I filter tripfags again?
>>51291402
They started the project 20 years ago. They haven't touched it since. It's been in the care of the open source community. It has been audited, and the source code can be viewed by you. The developers are good friends of Snowden's and have a high reputation in the security community. The fact that the NSA has to attack Tor through a patched bug in Firefox shows how secure it is.
>>51291402
desu given all the poorly thought out security features that exist in Windows, the general inability to understand the relationship between encryption/math common to most people, and the need to catch more niggers for selling drugs (prison is profitable)
I'd be surpised that they released it so early
unless it can be interpreted as a means of expressing "yes we can read these packets in the foreseeable future, let's start fishing, shake up the tree, hell the early adopters of TOR that don't exit to one of our top porn sites is probably a suspect individual, even if we can't explicitly read what they're doing. we know who they are, how they think, and that they are incapable of understanding that we love them"
>>51291429
Arrow right to the post number, there's a Filter option there, click on Tripcode
>>51291429
>>51291429
you can't it's described as psuedo (placebo?) self moderation in 4chanx
it's the equivelent of plugging your ears and screaming whenever someone says something you don't like) + I can just take it off and you're still unaware of me slipping through into your brilliantly devised fortress
>>51291444
>>51291455
dubs and trip
I posted my pw earlier itt
if you want to know which posts are mine
you can make a post with the same username as one of the posts you suspect to be mine
>>51287617
underrated post
>>51291444
Remember to filter name too, tripfags can't deal with not having a way to be identified, they can quit the trip/name >>51291455 but they will put it again, pretty fast, see >>51291465
wait this shit isn't even salted
LMAO
"trip explorer software" can literally let you have every tripcode conceivable
THIS IS SO FUCKING FUNNY
IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONOTATIONS OF WHAT IS MENTIONED ITT
YOU COULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE DB OF 4CHAN BY DISCOVERING THE SEED USED BY THIS SERVER TO GENERATE PASSWORDS
>>51291469
this site doesn't have secure trips so literally every post ever made can be made transparent
this isn't even something made possible by NSA
it's just that moot was a fucking retard
LOL
I actually welcome our new NSA overlords
`xoxo Artemis
you niggers are fucked...:^)
>>51291477
>"trip explorer software" can literally let you have every tripcode conceivable
Literally new, anyone knows that 4chan uses some of the shittiest implementations of hashing for trips, literally nigger rigged from badly translated jap software back in 2003
>YOU COULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE DB OF 4CHAN BY DISCOVERING THE SEED USED BY THIS SERVER TO GENERATE PASSWORDS
The stuff used in trips have nothing to do with the stuff used to administrate the site, specially since the overhauls in 2012
>>51291489
>this site doesn't have secure trips so literally every post ever made can be made transparent
There's secure trips that use decent hashing
>it's just that moot was a fucking retard
literally who, and yeah he was always a retard
>I actually welcome our new NSA overlords
4chan has always cooperated with federal agencies
>`xoxo Artemis
>you niggers are fucked...:^)
Literally script kiddie who has no idea about what he's talking about
I wait for the day some aussie wrecks the admins again
>>51291315
I don't think that IME can get vm intenet
About performence.
i don't know, i run 3 virautal machines backtrack, xp and whonix on e7200 dual core 4gb ram so maybe it's posiblle.
Thank for Qubes i will def check it out. And how about that open hardware and motherbord shit?
And what do you think about ARM and shitty self meade laptop?
>>51291513
>>I actually welcome our new NSA overlords
>4chan has always cooperated with federal agencies
Sorry newfag here, can you post examples?
>>51291516
ME can get literally anything. It's firmware thst runs on the processor. Libreboot is the only option I know of that gets rid of it. I think a t500 with 8gb of ram and a p9600 processor with libreboot, running qubes+whonix is your only option.
>>51291536
Old admin testified in federal court back in 2010 when the Sarah Palin emails were leaked
He also said that 4chan openly cooperated with federal agencies
>>51291536
There's a reason it blocks tor and proxy traffic. They're US based and have no choice but to cooperate.
>>51289112
>>51290569
>da exit nodes!
>>51291513
the extent of cooperation in my understanding has always been for the luls to represent someone being a failure of evolution being given the final honor of rofling in peace
>>51291513
>hello janitor btw
I assumed the people having funny arguments were actually just enlightened beings sent to cause chaos in the minds of newfags
I never thought that something so basely important to arguing could be so weakly designed...you see I had though previously that the people on this board actually knew more than me and that I couldn't possibly learn about technology
but here I am
ranting about the insecurity of systems, giving myself a clear name, so that nobody could derail my train of thought, and now I find out. the people calling me a stupid tripfag are the same person as I am, I needed their shouts of pain, their mocking idiocy, the rejection of my knowledge, and the plausibility that I was wrong. I needed all of these things to realize that I am no longer afraid of what the NSA can do to me. I was looking right at them the whole time. Studying to see if they noticed that I was forgetting their hypnotisms, Facetiously crying into the void about how they are so great and all knowing.
I watched, I cried, I studied, and now I have become a tan (chan)
may my IP reign in infamy
I remember now that rip codes are generated based on IP addresses and don't need to be salted
salting is hashing a username and then re-encrypting the password with that hash...correct
so you could find the IP of every ## poster on 4chan if you wanted
just because they used a tripcode
I am smiling now
it makes sense
it is a punishment
for trying to separate your thoughts from the rumble
now that I have tried
ajaja
the NSA can find where I live
except I was posting from behind comcast servers
using open source software
and chromium
and they were never reading in the first place
the knowledge concreted itself in my mind itt
before I just mumbled about things
somehow I knew they are related
>>51291554
>>51291633
read my post
they don't need to cooperate
the very essence of meaning is created by nuanced systems of identification
everything is uniquely that of an individual except for their ability to vocalize reason
this is something important
I thought
but it isn't
I can just forget that I ever knew about using computers
I can come to believe that I only saw lain as being similar to myself in that she connected to people exclusively over the internet...I can seek asylum between the legs of another human
I can simply watch the people above struggle in a kind of vanity to control everything from the source
I can go into the woods and never see anything but moving colors, blurred lines running perpendicular to the ground
>>51291680
He will stop if you don't answer to him
>>51291554
it is impossible to block proxied traffic
I have a question for /g/
how do servers identify traffic coming from a TOR exit node?
why would the exit node identify this? is it because they are all controlled by a predictable series of IPs or is it because they self identify?
either way it is trivial to know that you shouldn't use TOR unless you're posting on 4chan from behind an unsecured proxy server, which you have tunneled into through TOR (just to post using a trip, unpunished).
>>51291699
>it is impossible to block proxied traffic
They block a list of known proxys, and sometimes just block IP's that post stuff they don't like
>how do servers identify traffic coming from a TOR exit node?
You can request a list from all the Tor exit nodes at the Tor project site
>>51291699
Tor exit nodes are publicly identified. Proxy servers are blocked as the ip addys are identified. Currently my mobile data ip is blocked because of a misconfigured ip block.
>>51287941
>Police violence, like surveillance, is unevenly distributed.
Well violent crime is also unevenly distributed....
>>51291545
OK fuck it, i will just my shitty raspberry pi clone to trafic all the trafic via tor. i saw also solution in openwrt.
>>51291725
if the nodes are identified publicly, which they are evidently, they need to be mainframe servers (that can't be located physically) for them to remotely effective in disguising their users identities
my question is why isn't TOR just and distributed ssh proxy chain where each node receives a piece of a packet that has an identifiable hash, and unencrypted destination...so that if non-origin nodes can arbitrarily retrieve server responses, flash the request to a mapped domain, and then kill themselves after a designated (seeded and amplified based on network availability) period of time
>>51291762
flash the reply from the destination server
(requested data)
>>51291762
I can only answer your first question. The contents of the traffic are encrypted, as is the hop after the next hop. So the exit node knows where the packet came from, but it doesn't know where it originated.
>>51291751
Don't do that. The tor browser bundle is safer than a direct connect. The problem is the software. Using tor alone is enough to get out of most of xkeyscore. Using pgp protects the contents of the communications. There are also ways to leak your real IP. The safest way is to use qubes+whonix. Using this formation, your workstation OS doesn't even know your real ip because it can only access the Internet through the gateway VM.
>>51291767
the destination server's authenticity could be verified by the original sites SSL certificate and if mandated, the seed of the exit node, as well as those previously contacted, near by (latency, mainframe server routing) packet holders and linked nodes
so you see the requested data would be verified in sequence of increasing trust (the exit node posting would be confirmed as valid by hosts of similar anonymity)
the initial listing of available nodes would be distributed in a similar fashion 'raw requests to external servers' except the list posted would need to come from 2 hosts (more if specified) to doubly verify their trust-ability
>>51291776
that is the point of anonymity :^)
>>51291776
>>51291835
not knowing where stuff comes from...
the network needs to be self defining, so it is not easily cherrypicked (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cherry+picking)
>>51291855
but my original point >>51291855
also TOR is doubly easily cherrypicked in that they probably host the exit nodes behind servers that are able to log their packets en-masse
if you were to create a bubble of traffic already defined as something that attempts to be anonymous but really is transparent (completely transparent like ## trips pws) or (more popular) but less easily revealed (torrents) you could map out safe spots on the internet to plant proxy servers, and this could be the birthplace of the undernet
RATE IT open source hardware
https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena
>>51291956
www is botnet
>>51291956
a lot of hardware is open to reverse engineering
Am I the only one here that would fuck his brains out?
>>51291956
>https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena
8/8
>>51292112
No, there's a lot of homos and no homos who had said that in the past
>>51292112
he has a nice ish voice desu
>>51291956
It's still made out of completely proprietary chips..
Needs something like the Milkymist
Why isn't Signal available in f-droid?
>>51286688
free as in freedom, not free as in free beer
>>51291250
>>51288789
Why don't people care about this
This is fucking insane
>>51293163
It's quite scary,especially considering how little practical use ME has. The risk of it getting compromised is way worse than any practical use it could have.
>>51293163
I bought a libreboot t400 a few months ago on ebay and I'm pretty happy with it.
>>51286624
this nigga snowden paranoid as fuck lol
>>51292859
Good question. Textsecure, a Signal knockoff is available. Not sure if the two are inter-compatible.
>>51289691
Holy fuck you are stupid. The intelligency agencies literally collect actively and passively information about everyone with PRISM, SSO etc.
You dumb fucking naive shit
>Let them break human rights and civil liberties all they want xD
Goddamn NSAshills
>>51292859
Depends on Google Cloud Messaging.
>>51293204
Textsecure is what Signal was called before they merged it with Redphone. It's no knockoff and it never was on F-droid.
>>51293293
I apologize, I meant "SMSSecure"
>>51290951
>Read about this
>The news sites are saying how dank it is you can say 'wake up' and it wakes up
>nobody minds the other implication
christ
>>51293297
No need for apologies, friend.
>>51287617
he's completely right though you fucking twat
just kill yourself
>>51286660
How do we know that Snowden is telling 100% truth?
Once betrayer...
>>51293401
You read his arguments instead of his character, 'tard.
>>51293406
How can anyone check what NSA is doing for example? You work there "tard"?
He can only say to us what he saw allegedly and we can never confirm that...
>>51293406
>'tard
on the way to reddit
>>51293454
>Call someone tard for ad hominem garbage.
>b-b-b-ack to reddit
sup NSA senpai
>>51287533
The outproxy has been down for a while you dip. And even if it was up, you still can't do anything else other than http.
>>51293401
>"hey guys your government is spying on you!"
>"YOU TRAITOR"
Only in murka
>>51291425
Yay, are we posting bait pictures now?
>>51288789
>>51289027
>>51291108
intel chromebooks support coreboot/seabios senpai
>>51287617
>having our rights taken away from us are fine as long as I have muh beer and muh nascar
amerifats ladies and gentlemen.
>>51289355
>in 2006
>because the retarded US embassy IT staffers could'nt be bothered to run tls on their mailservers
>>51289125
they can't sniff an exit node if the website is over https. in a few months, all of the internet will be encrypted thanks to lets encrypt.
>>51293415
The NSA has already confirmed the leaked documents to be real.
>>51293848
So people just dont care since NSA can openly admit that they are spying on everyone?
>LIVING IN MURIIICAAAA
>>51293949
Americans have nothing to say so they dont understand privacy, self-censorship, censorship and information control implications.
Funny how they're all in metadata lists full of metadata giving context to their actions and monitored like they're prisoners and they don't care.
>>51293976
Its almost like when SHEEP dont care about anything except when is the food time.
>>51293975
Except the spy industry actively and passively tracks everything that goes in the internet
It\s not contained to American soil, or Americna people at all
>>51294018
>MURRIICAAAA
You're shit doesn't apply in other countries you fucktard. Stop trying to make yourself important
>>51294036
Do you actually understand what PRISM and SSO, and whatever the fuck the Britbong thing was called, do?
>>51294045
yes
>>51294045
der
>>51294045
maybe
So we can assume Snowden was hired by the NSA again?
>>51294104
Nobody really ever leaves such organizations
>>51294104
why
>>51294154
honeypots advertisement
>>51291045
>tripping when you're this new
Lurk more
>>51294104
Imo, nobody would be so stupid to simply leave a good job just because "I gotta save the planet".
For what purpose? You stand to lose everything and all you have is an uncertain and dangerous future. Hell, you're not even sure how you're going to survive. I don't think the Russians are paying his bills, he has to work somehow. Maybe that's why he's giving interviews. Or maybe the NSA still pays his bills and the interviews are something else.
>>51294480
Owww the edge! How could someone be disgusted by rape of human and civil rights!
>>51286660
This documentary was like one of the best thrillers i saw.
i-install Qubes??
>>51294491
He could have spread the word without leaving the job. Something's fishy about the choice he made.
>How could someone be disgusted by rape of human and civil rights!
He still broke the law. What rape of human rights? Intelligence service do have the right to read your correspondence if you are a suspect. The issue is if they abuse this or not. And he claims they abuse this prerogative. That should have been something he should have raised with the congress, so they should tighten control of intelligence agencies.
But instead he throws everything away (job, position, security) and becomes a fugitive. Literally, for what. Maybe they gave him a new role.
>>51294480
At such point you're either dead or corrupt. You can't even blame him, that's the two choices there are in a situation like this.
>>51294663
He wanted to make it way more public than that you dumb fuck.
There are people working in goverment agencies around Europe and US that have confirmed his reveals etc. (and these people haven't come out)
>broke the law
There are levels of law and surprisingly human rights are at the very highest level of it
jc you are naive, go to congress? lmao
>Snowden
>traitor
>SJW
into the thrash it goes
>>51294663
>if you are a suspect
And if I'm not, you don't have a right to read my e-mails, read my conversations, and what else. But they do.
>>51294738
>thrash
go kill yourself any time /pol/, you stupid unwanted illiterate cunt
>>51294706
Then quit the job, find something else and speak up about it some years later. Nobody would sue you then. Plenty of former employees who blew the whistle like that, without breaking the law.
It's just that if you blow the whistle like that on the institution/firm which gave you the job and trusted you and paid you, you become Chelsea Manning tier.
Why did you accept to work there in the first place? What did you think that place was, the kindergarten? Of course intelligence agencies do dirty shit, if you don't have the stomach, you don't join them.
>>51294833
>Speak about the complete shitstomp of civil and human rights, the human rights of EU and the constitution of the US years later
real ebin shit bro
>attacking the character and not the arguments again
real ebin shit fucking NSA shill
>>51294760
Yeah, so call your congress dude, take it to the streets, tell them you're not paying your taxes to get spied on, raise the issue with the media. The NSA is a state agency after all, and their funds come from tax payers, so if those who appoint their staff feel the heat, they will feel the heat too.
But I guess you want the rest of the world to solve the issue for you.
>>51294833
>If you betray something that is taking a shit on mankind you become just as bad as them
>>51294893
are you 12
you sound 12
naive as 12 year old
>>51294852
>Being this naive
>he thinks the world must work according to his childhood fairytales in which everyone was nice and had no hidden intentions
>>51294915
Yes NSAshill, Snowden's intention was to raise waves about the complete disregard of human and civil rights across two continents.
and he somewhat succeeded in it.
and yet you still attack his character.
and not his arguments which have been verified, to journalists, by whistleblowers that didn't come out in the light and various other retired agents.
fucking retard piece of 'JUST KEK MY RIGHTS' amerikan retard fag kek
>>51294910
>being this politically disempowered
>thinking there are state agencies outside of any control whatsoever
Hell, you are plain stupid. I worked for the government and you have no idea. Everyone thinks the government must be working for the Bilderbergs and the occult forces, but it's a totally different picture once you work for it. There's just people like any people trying to do their job. And there's plenty of stupid people working there too, doing lots of stupid shit, making mistakes. Which is bound to happen at the NSA too.
But no, just keep going with the occult story, the paranoia is more rewarding and empowers the politically alienated to imagine more hyperbolic shit.
>>51294955
NSA was pretty much out of control that's how your civil rights and human rights were disregarded, it got the acceptance from the goddamn White House.
>I work for the govt.
Yes NSAshill I can see that lmao
>occult and paranoia
ohh buzzwords, its not paranoia when its actually real, learn what words mean shill
>>51294941
No, don't you see the similarities? Both Snowden and Manning are two uberfeminine dick-carriers, who probably were socially marginalised by their peers for being so beta. You're literally defending a bunch of betas for getting revenge on their former work colleagues.
>>51294989
>attacking the character
gb2school edgelord
>>51294974
I said I worked once, I don't work anymore for the govt. So I have no interest either in defending it or attacking it. I'm just saying I understand things better, since I have more experience. You're just talking based on zero experience and just "mah opinion" and internet warrior pathos.
>>51295002
Such vocabulary for an Ameritard...
I think my English is better than yours.
>>51287643
Bait.
>>51293755
The problem isn't solved with coreboot or seabios, both of those leave Management Engine in place and operational.
>>51287617
Except it's actually happening. Idiot.
Go meme in a shill thread or something.
>>51293406
He could be a hologram...The technology exists....
>>51295019
You have done nothing but slashed at the character of Snowden.
>Reducing the magnitude of spying and law breaking to 'MUH INTERNET WARRIORZZZ'
Kill yourself shill
Why the fuck would i listen to Snowden?
>leaks to Glenn Greenwald, uber SJW faggot
>tweets SJW shit
>>51294045
>Britbong thing was called
GCHQ
Literally less ethical than the NSA, somehow
>>51297395
Yeah that might've been it, it had a hard name. The most invasive spy-program or some shit.
>>51290966
If Intel chips were back doored the government wouldn't use them due to the potential security risk.
