Are GPU's a massive scam or are developers just lazy?
Hardly any games have surpassed the original Crysis in terms of graphics, yet the technical requirements keep going up exponentially
>>51282054
>Are GPU's a massive scam
No, they are more powerful and can crunch and compute numbers much more effectively, thanks to optimised architecture and smaller circuits.
>Are developers just lazy?
Yes, they are.
Higher performance hardware means that they can get away with shit-tier optimization and bloats in code.
>>51282054
>OP has never played Metro Last Light
also
>>/v/
They are lazy because they have no reason not to be but the Crysis comparison is retarded.
>>51282054
yes, yes
>>51282101
>the Crysis comparison is retarded
why? because it's a PC exclusive?
f4 looks like trash even when compared to some console games
>>51282054
>Are GPU's a massive scam
stopped reading right there, back off to wherever shithole you came from
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jqSBOi2.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>51282054
>Are GPU's a massive scam
The really powerful ones are. The difference in detail in this screencapture between minimum and maximum is not worthy of $300 different in price.
>>51282054
Black Ops 3 looks pretty nice.
GPUs aren't a massive scam, they are awesome co-processors, as anyone who has mined bitcoin back in the day would tell you.
Game devs aren't lazy, they are just trying to churn out games as quickly as possible to make money. Quality simply doesn't matter anymore, because retards will still buy that shit up because of the name attached to it. Why would I spend more money in making a quality game when I can just spend the money in marketing and get a higher rate of return?
>>51282124
Obviously it reads "is the endless cycle of upgrading your GPU every few years for none to minimal improvement a scam"
But an autist fucko like you has to take everything literally
>>51282054
Increasing system requirements is a win-win for the developers and manufacturers. Game developers can be more lazy and use these abstracted-into-shit game engines where no on really knows how the stuff works, and manufacturers get to create new GPUs and CPUs to fill this artificial need. The loser is the sheeple gamer who will consume the shit, never boycotting the source, because gaming is an addiction, and the addict will do anything to get his fix.
>>51282146
> Thinks a shitty jpeg represents actual graphics
>>51282120
Because it has been surpased multiple times. Both in grafux and in the technology behind it.
>>51282266
>multiple times
But that's pitiful. It should be surpassed all of the time now.
>>51282146
This, a thousand times this.
Adaptative sync monitors is the only thing worth spending some dosh on right now, as it makes sub par GPUs totally fine even with the most demanding games right now.
sauce : I have a 670 and got a cheap gsync 1080p monitor recently, playing everything at high settings and buttersmooth framerate.
>>51282328
There's no reason to make that effort though
>>51282120
>Why?
Because those are the low settings for FO4.
>>51282340
the game looks like garbage even on the highest settings
>>51282398
this
the first time I saw it I actually thought it was just FO3 with some inventory and UI mods.
>>51282124
He was just asking fucktard.
>>51282054
I think developers should stop trying to impress me with almost photorealistic graphics that only end up deep in uncanny valley. It seems so dull and uncreative. Why not go for a more stylized look? It's not like any of the games on the SNES for example tried to mimic photorealism, even though it was partially possible. I believe with today's tech you could do absolutely (I mean the word) beautiful graphics that could stand the test of time a bit better.
>>51282093
>/v/
This is a discussion about GPU hardware, not video games you nigger cocksucker
>>51282474
It appeals to normies, adults, and kids who copy what they think adults do. If a game looks childish it won't sell on a larger scale, but sure it may be hailed as a classic.
>>51282710
NOT being photorealistic doesn't mean it looks/has to look/is childish.
>>51282249
I've played that exact game on minimum vs maximum. There's a difference, but not one worth hundreds of dollars.
Also consider a GTX 960 will play Crysis 3 on ultra above 30 fps. A GTX 980 ti will get your over 60. Are those 20 extra frames worth $400?
>>51282474
I agree. I really liked the stylized aesthetic of the borderlands games, for example.
there are definitely games with interesting graphics styles, you just don't see that sort of shit on AAA games.
because AAA games are for plebs.
>>51282750
Ever considered that not everyone is fucking hikikomori NEET and people have money to pay for top graphics?
>>51282054
>Hardly any games have surpassed the original Crysis
Are you joke OP? Nearly every triple A title has surpassed it
>>51282710
Cell shading is as hard as photoreal.
Oh...do you mean Wind Walker? :D
>>51282773
like? and don't give me bullshit like Assassins Creed with static lighting and shit
>>51282054
>2 billion sprites hiding 8 rocks
>2 billion polys and 8 sprites
Where did da preformance go? Seriously though, Gamebyro was awful and now the incompetent fucks that are Bethesda made their own Gamebyro. Terribad.
>>51282054
GPUS aren't a scam. It's just easier to make 2007 crysis level graphics with inferior code now, and since nobody expects anything to surpass crysis, nobody tries anymore.
In reality, it should be easy for an established company with money to get us a game that'd well pass crysis in 2015.
>>51282767
Just because you have money doesn't mean you should flush it down the toilet.
>>51282799
Crysis 2.
>>51282823
Why is it 'flushing down the toilet' if you want the top graphical performance?
>>51282849
Because I don't want the same, duh
>>51282825
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
You could of at least said Crysis 3, then you might not look as fucking retarded.
Please remember.
Bethesda are one of the laziest companies on the planet.
They make one game. One has a fantasy skin the other has alternate future skin.
All use assets made from a game made in 2003. And their fans will fix all of their garbage for them.
People can hate but GTAV was visually stunning and worth it in 4K, showcasing shit that just wasn't possible on PC in 2013 let alone in 2007.
>>51282891
It looks better and is using a more advanced engine.
>inb4 that stupid tessellated sea
Zero difference in the argument.
>using lolol like a retard
>saying others look retarded
This is why /g/ doesn't like GPU threads, they're infested by /v/.
>>51282054
>Crysis on PC with maxed graphics
>Fallout 4 min settings
Propaganda: The post
>>51282997
>looks better
>advanced engine
See this is why blind people should stick to killing themselves.
>>51282054
Consolefag here.
Just bought a PC.
I'm absolutely shocked at how unimpressive these graphics are (in 2014-15 no less). They're not bad, but not worth $1500.
>>51283005
Even maxed out FO4 looks fucking ancient.
>>51282054
Why not both?
>>51283060
Great argument.
>>51283068
>1920x1080
Step it Up.
>>51282849
The top graphical performance is a trivial difference from the next-to-top, but costs twice as more. Ever hear of diminishing returns?
I'm getting a heavy feeling of buyers remorse from you.
>>51282054
you can thank nvidia goyworks.
>>51283068
I sat out most of the last generation. But this year I was seduced by pretty screenshots into building a powerful PC.
My response to modern game graphics has been they are lackluster. They look good in one or two places, but a lot of the time when I'm playing a game they look barely better than the PS3 era to me.
>>51282336
good work raju.
i'll credit 25 cents into your account now.
>>51282054
More processing power doesn't magically make the game look better. You need the necessary budget and the correct staff, the latter being particularly relevant for Bethesda. Imagine what their games could look like if they had managed to hire anyone capable of writing even a simple shader.
>>51282336
what monitor anon
I could play fallout 4 for 15 minutes.
Afte that it crashed and I had to reinstall the files to play it again.
For 15 minutes.
Let's say, that the hd4400 was too good for that garbage and the current gen gpus ain't worth their money.
If you excuse me, I play crysis.
>>51282419
>just FO3 with some inventory and UI mods.
You haven't played enough Fallout 3. The graphics are a huge improvement. No they are not as good as some other modern games, but most of those games don't have the huge world Fallout 4 has.
>>51283233
>Afte that it crashed a
why did it crash?
complete your thought, stupid.senpai
>>51283233
Wait what, you tried to play a shittily optimized game like Fallout 4 on integrated graphics? Yeah, I imagine that didn't go so well.
>>51283233
>hd4400
You can't be serious. As poor as the graphics are they still require an actual fucking GPU.
You don't ever just buy a pc, you make sure you have the things you want. But even more so you need your monitor to actually be decent or you will never ever see a graphics increase.
>>51283256
I guess there was a memory leak, it doesn'T even show me what's wrong.
Kek.
Otherwise, fine gameplay for the first fifteen minutes.
>>51283257
yes. I thought, if Crysis runs on it, then that shit will do, too.
it did, for 15 min.
>>51283278
I assure you, it ran very well.
Fluid druid.
>>51283068
Yes, that's why you don't spend thousands of dollar on a PC unless you want it to run 4k or at high rame rates. You just wasted 1,500 when all you needed was 600-800
>>51283068
>$1500
haha
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qzFTK8
Crysis was assisted from the ground-up to sell the brand-new 8800GT and GTS during Christmas, so Crytek had every incentive to make it push hardware to the limit in order to justify your brand-new Nvidia card
>>51282146
>comparing a brand new PC to a console from ten years ago
I dare you to even try running that game on a ten year old PC.
GPUs are not a massive scam.
Game devs are lazy. New GPUs can perform better so they can get away with not optimizing their games because they know that children from /v/ will always buy the latest and greatest hardware to compensate for it.
But all devs are lazy, look at any piece of software today.
We didn't get much features but everything got slow and heavy.
>>51282054
Are you a troll or a massive fucking idiot
>>51282054
Crysis devs try to make the game look realistic while f4 devs are just dealing with the fact that they are using gamebryo in 2015
>>51283525
>defending shit tier hardware that runs stuff still shit even with lots of optimization
>>51282146
>graphics comparison
>with jpeg
>>51283525
Nigga they're doing that right in the fuckin' pic with the Xbox 360.
>>51282849
>just because your a billionaire doesn't mean you can just throw money away on nice cars you'll only drive 3 times or a house with more rooms than you'll use
Yes it does
>>51284071
People with more money than sense are the ones that get scammed, hence OP's question.
>>51282054
>comparing f4 graphics to a game that's main purpose is to showcase a graphics engine
>>51284041
>Xbox 360
>custom PowerPC-based chipset
>PC
uwot
>>51284122
PC doesn't automatically mean x86
An Xbox 360 is a personal computer.
Its all the same tho. Games have become too big and complicated to develop to what GPUs can show. And the gameplay is more or less the same or worse than 10 years ago.
>>51284180
>>51284180
no, the issue is that Bethesda is literally using the same engine they used on Morrowind. That's right, they are using an engine that is 13 years old. One more year and you could legally fuck this engine in most of Europe, that's how fucking old it is.
>>51283525
It will run but the frame-rate will be shit. Less than 15 fps.
>>51284222
I don't think any 3D engine in use today is completely written from scratch.
By that logic, you could say Unreal Engine is 17 years old.
And besides, the engine isn't nearly as much of a problem as people like to pretend as evidenced by other games like Catherine, Civilization IV, Divinity, Rift, etc. not being even nearly as broken as the Bethesda games are.
>>51284176
I agree with you fully. But wikipedia doesn't.
Wikipedia says a pc has to do with the form factor (desktop or all in one) and it has to be running windows on an intel system (wintel).
I am not even kidding.
>>51284266
Yes, bouth Unreal Engine and Source have been under development for 15 years or more.
>>51282054
Fallout is a REALLY popular game. There will be people playing it on laptops and low end computers.
It would be retarded for them to make it require top end hardware.
>>51282054
>Are GPU's a massive scam
Yes, computers are a scam too.
>>51283068
>muh impressive grafix!!!!
How about playing actually good games
>>51284311
Wiki is retarded
>>51284316
well they could make it scale, like the ID tech engine games (quake 4, rage etc...)
I mean they even own the god damn ID tech engines now.
>
>>51284071
>>51284071
You are billionaire if you can afford fucking GTX 980 or Titan? Give me a break.
>>51284772
Those are the weirdest min specs I've ever seen.
>x4 945 vs i5 2300
Not even close to the same league. X4 is slower than an i5 750.
>550 Ti vs 7870
This one makes more sense because AMD is just a pixel pusher while Nvidia invented the Graphics Processing Unit.
>>51282054
I would argue that this looks better than Crysis.
>>51286931
Wow, The first COD game that actually looks like fun.
>>51283068
>spends $1500 on a pc
>uses 1080p 60hz
>>51283916
>that fucking spoiler
I fucking knew it
Fucking kid is the main bad guy
Stupid game
So what is th let new best bang for your buck graphics card today? I have a evga gtx 570 and I got no problems with it, but it is getting phased out by the latest games.
>>51284772
>i5 2300
Or
>phenom ii x4 945
>550 ti
Or
>hd 7870
What the fuck are they thinking? They're just making AMD look bad.
>hardware being massive scam
Nope, it's the software.
Dumb sheeple consume and consume and don't give much of a shit what they consume, if "everyone" does it too.
Bethesda/Blizzard/&co. are getting away with way too much.
And Web 2.0 is helping them in doing so as almost everything is pretty much advertising for them, whereas a decade ago, they had to focus on bribing PC game magazines.
But why should you care?
Simply don't follow the mass and don't consume.
>>51282174
>bitcoins were 13 years ago
>>51282120
Crysis is on 360 and PS3.
>>51283068
NIGGER, USE SOME FUCKING AA
JESUS CHRIST
>>51287186
GTX 970. Can run pretty much every game at max settings 1080p.
>people keep falling for the PC master race meme
The worst part is most of those gullible kids continue to buy expensive parts expecting some huge improvement over whatever $300 console on the market gets.
>>51287487
at what FPS tho
plug in GTA V and TW3 at max and report back with webm
While hardware has gotten faster, it's also gotten easier to throw a spanner in the works and kill performance.
Also game assets have been getting pretty massive and computationally expensive, because nobody wants unrealistic shooters. The bigger the resolution, the more shitty your game ends up looking with sub-bar assets.
>>51287511
Nvidia fixes the stuttering with drivers, but what happens when Pascal comes out?
In fallout 4 the 970 once again beats the 780 ti...
>>51282054
that's because gamers, along with anime fans are the biggest çucks, and get çuçked exponentially
>BUT, BUT NOTHING SURPASSED Crysis.
This Meme has to die. Look at E3 Demo, SigGraph, or whatever high-end Computer Graphic conference/graphic content on youtube. You will see shit that will blow Crysis out of water. The problem is that having games that powerful to run on Customer machines is not economically possible. It's a fact that Consumer technology is low-end commodity, and making high-end technology mass-marketable isn't easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wiLtOQVPpQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPYgXvgS6Ww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTt7AGIpV2I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fHixEHDALs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07S6rFgOSdg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpDdOIZy-4k
1. Developers have to make sure that their games runs on low-end machines, and that a good chunk of people can play them. They must run on budget pcs, and consoles else they won't be able to get enough revenue from their million dollar budgets. You obviously don't remember all the bitching Crysis gets when pcbros can't run Crysis on their high-end pcs. Look at how many people were bitching VR high-end requirement despite the fact that VR is actually pushing technology forward, and is showing real world graphical increases.
Continued.
>>51287683
Oh my fucking god this retard posted tech demos to compare to actual game and actual bullshit gameplay trailer of Watch Dogs
hahahah
lmao
>>51284772
i'm running it on a fx-6300 and its still bottlenecked by the r9 280x
the cpu requirements were exaggerated.
![irobot[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wDXj4k9.jpg "irobot[1].jpg")
2. GPU are more powerful then the previous incarnation in techinal level, however more processing power does not AUTOMATICALLY make games look better in the real world. Crysis 1 is literally just tech demo to sell their engine.You can easily write code, and run software that can mismanage our computer resources, but it's not as easy to write code that make a computer max out what is possible with those resources. You can write zipbombs, or other bloatware that mismanages your computer resources. It's a lot harder to require code that uses all of the computer hardware power sufficiently, and create strong results.
Technical Requirement bloats because PC hardware allows for brute forcing any mistakes Developers. GPU manufacter benefit from this too because it helps them get quartely shipment for profit sakes. Ass Creed unity does require more power then Crysis 1, but it's just using the resources insuccifently. On Consoles those mistakes would make the game unrunnable, and broken. PC hardware covers up those mistakes.
>>51287708
You don't understand the point. Games are downgrade on consoles and pcs because those machines are too weak to handle E3 Demos. It's not that you couldn't make a game that surpassed crysis or do more, it's not just economically feasible.. That's there is a massive gap because high-end technology and consumer-grade technology for vidya market. That's why games like I Robot had 3d polygon before other games in 1980's.
>>51283005
But that's fucking wrong you bandwagon sperglord. I was playing fallout 4 maxed out on my 5820k/16gb ddr4/gtx980 less than 4 minutes ago and the visuals are fine. This is a case of absolute pure autism if you truly believe that playing this on maxed graphics is still game destroying. There's literally nothing wrong with it.
>>51282474
Nintendo has long stuck their nose up at photorealistic graphics and look where it has gotten them.
>>51283068
>he fell for the PC meme
>>51282474
agreed. a good art style makes visuals memorable
>>51284772
>i7-4790
Holy shit really? What the fuck?
>>51287408
Bought BTC yesterday
Daily reminder!
I'm still blown away each time I boot up Witcher 3, though. That game is a fucking beauty.
>>51285347
>>51287373
funny thing about the 7870 gpu requirement is that I'm running the game just fine on a 270x (almost the same card) with three compromises (all settings ultra except these). Godrays at low, fxaa, and I cut back the grass draw distance to something like 2/3 or 3/4. That's it. I picked those three because they'd cause only a minor hit to quality while giving a big boost to performance.
stripping everything down to bare minimums should let it run on even on a current A8 apu.
oh, and for all they screwed up on for graphics/gameplay the weather changes are nicely done. It also seems too stable for a bethesda fprpg at launch. I had the day off work and played the game all day without any glitches that crashed it (did see some graphics bugs like a trashcan attached to a radroach chasing me around and my gun turning invisible)
>>51289811
That's good to know, I'm about to buy a used 7950.
>>51282799
bloodborne
>>51289140
you realize at the same time the ps4 was doing the same thing right? the consoles on display werent even plugged in
>>51282054
>are developers just lazy
This.
>>51291056
>devs are lazy
said nobody with intelligence ever.
Take a look at Witcher 3 or the new Tomb Raider. Game graphics are steadily improving. It's just that the amount of effort required to make game look beautiful is also steadily increasing so we see less devs focusing all their attention on gfx.
>>51282146
>jpg
Opinion discarded before reading.
>muh gfx
>yet terminal is always better
/g/
>>51291005
nigga dat shit be runnin at like 25fps. give a nigga a break. shit, g
off topic, if i go grab a 980 can i run witcher3 at max without dropping below 55`60fps? anything less gives me dick cancer. yes i am an elitist faggot etc,etc
>>51282054
Who gives a frick you god damn autist
>>51291082
bethesda devs though are, without a doubt, lazy bastards
>>51283068
The framerate boost to 60 alone is worth $1500
>>51287827
that's probably because the game uses Nvidia's proprietary bullshit which naturally runs like shit on AMD cards
>>51290986
Enjoy your bitcoin mining half-dead gpu
>>51291262
You should probably reevaluate what's worth 1500 USD and what's not.
>>51291311
Listen up, this is my only fucking hobby that costs money, it's worth $1500 to me (though I only spent around $600).
>>51291262
>buying a more expensive PC to play poorly optimized games at framerates that the devs should've been able to achieve
you are encouraging this shit
>>51282054
>tfw games would probably look a bit better if they used F.E.A.R but with better textures
Blame consolefags. Keep in mind no matter how good your GPU is, you're going to be stuck in 6 - 8 year leaps because they have to support that old bullshit.
It's like broodwar in which they kept windows 95 support for a long time and still support windows 98, not to mention 16 mb ram. This is almost certainly why there's that 2.5k~ map max of units. Because we have to support 16 megs.
That's for one game. Imagine doing that for an entire console and all of the consoles in the industry are doing that. It's always the lowest common denominator which drags the whole thing down.
>>51282786
Jet set radio already managed to do it around 2000 or so, and it still looks great.
>>51284116
The game was from 8 fucking years ago, the comparison is valid
>>51291082
CDPR are LITERALLY the only dev that cares about their fanbase, offering free DLCs even months after the game launched and publicly apologizing for the fucked up launch.
Bethesda are lazy fucks, so are Jewzzard, Stea- I mean Valve ("game developer" lol), Ubisoft, Electronic "microstransactions" Arts, etc.
>>51282997
>hurr a thing that revolves around one of the core components of a computer doesn't belong on the computer board!
>durr it's not like literally the only reason for a person to have a GPU -at all- in their home computer is games! I want to talk about something that 99.99999999999999999% of the world, if they have one, uses for games without even mentioning the possibility it's used for games! That's an absurd thought!
>>51287827
Running it on an i7 920 non-OC and an R9 380x.
No problems, other than bethesda fucked up and never removed the 60fps hardcap. I'm solid 60fps on high settings.
>minimum 8gb RAM
Joke's on you, still running 6gb with no issues Bethesda.
>>51282825
Crysis > Crysis 2
>>51284772
>mfw 7850 is below minimum
what a shitty game desu
>>51282825
Crysis 2 was dumbed down in every way from the original, including the visuals.
The idea that the original Crysis is still the best-looking game out there is nonsense though. The PC version of Assassin's Creed: Unity is the most impressive game released to date. It's literally in a class of its own. Shame Ubishit decided to downgrade the graphics for the new one after all the backlash from people whining about not being able to play it at max settings on their 560 Ti.
>>51283938
You did some blur filtering, not how jpeg artifacts look. It tends to just get rid of the chroma info first before the luma.
>>51287827
They weren't really exaggerated. AMD CPUs just do really well in this game because it's heavily multi-thread aware. An i7 offers better performance than an i5 and AMD's lotsacores approach works out well.
>>51292118
>R9 380x
Do you mean R9 390x?
>>51283420
You're insane if you think that R9 380 is going to fit in that case. Not gonna happen.
>>51284222
checked
and morrowind was 2001 which makes it 14 years old
morrowind was god tier for its time but had serious bugs in the engine
oblivion was quite good but i wasnt a fan of the ui
skyrim was absolute garbage next to morrowind in terms of rpg
engine doesnt make the game 100%
>tfw Battlefront recommends a $500 GPU
>>51283070
this is true, installed CODEX yesterday and it looks horrid, fucking 2003 all over again
>>51293130
>not playing on ps4
>>51291184
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_980_Ti_Lightning/18.html
43.9fps avg @ 1080p with hairworks disabled.
The main problem is that high resolution textures take much longer for artists to produce than the grainy but adequate art of yesteryear.
Game development gets crazy expensive when it comes to THE GRAFFIX
>>51292020
that's exactly why GPU threads don't belong here, because all 99% of you banal retards ever talk about is games
a GPU isn't a core component unless your use case revolves around GPGPU or games anyway, so fuck off back to >>>/v/
>>51283068
>tfw run most shit fine with an old phenom processor and a 750ti geforce
I just don't give a fuck anymore.
>>51292020
this isn't the computer board, it's the technology board
i use my gpu for video filtering and CAD
talking about gpu's specifically for games is better suited to /v/, there's few cases where a thread topic that strongly involves games belongs on /g/
>>51283130
Going from 30 fps to 60 fps isn't "diminishing returns" you dumb faggot
>>51293521
Q9550 and hd 5870.
Everything still works fine.
You think in multi threaded games like battlefield 4 my c2q would be about equal to a haswel i3?
Developers a shit.
I played The Witcher 3 a few weeks ago and holy shit that game was gorgeous. Not just that, it also ran really fucking well on a i5-2400 and cheap as fuck 390 4gb. Was very playable at 2,560 x 1,440 and 2x antialiasing.
For example Diablo 3 runs like shit and doesn't look anywhere near as good as witcher 3.
Don't want to really make a new thread for this so might as well ask here:
I kind of want to upgrade my 4 year old rig. Any suggestions?
>>51293714
I still run a i5 2400 and it seems ofine. I upgraded my 560ti to a r9 390 and it made a big difference. Wasn't an expensive upgrade either, you can obviously spend a bit more on gpu and be done for a while.
>>51293731
Yeah, was thinking of getting a 390x. The CPU should hold up for a year or two.
>>51282054
>OP pic
German devs vs American devs ladies and gentlemen.
>>51293706
The 390 is not a low-end card dude. It's not even a mid end card. It's deep in high end card territory, no matter the price you got it.
But yes, Witcher 3 is gorgeous and I play that thing with a 7850 at 1080p.
At like 30fps or lower but shit man I ain't made of money
>>51293782
I consider myself poor and I have two r9 290s
A vacation that lasts a couple days and ends forever costs more than a graphics card that lasts 2-4 years
>>51293750
I haven't struggled playing anything at 1080p or 1440p so with a 390x you'll be laughing m8
I'm not massively up to date with motherboards or CPUs but as far as I know upgrading those two just for gaymen seems pretty pointless right now unless you're wanting certain motherboard features youre lacking.
My i5 is still rock solid. Still has the stock cooler with the same thermalpaste from like 4 years ago. Idles at 45c and 90-95c under load kek
>>51293782
I keep saying 390 but its actually a 380 4gb. Not had enough coffee yet.
>>51282054
GPU technology is moving slowly because
Making games with great graphics = shit tons of money
So there is little need for Nvidia to make better GPUs
(4K gaming is pushing it, so we might see some big improvements coming)
But again, devs have said for a long time they can easily make photoreal-ish graphics but it takes time and a lot of money.
We have reached the roof.
>>51293788
Sounds like a plan, then.
I got a new cooler like 6 months ago because the old ones broke, and now I can practically use my PC as a fridge too so temps won't be that big of an issue.
>>51293830
I've been putting off replacing that piece of shit for years. I have a feeling I almost fucked up when fastening it but I can't quite remember. I'm just reluctant touching a running system. I'm getting annoyed with the noise though, the 380 is barely audible and with a decent CPU cooler the PC would be pretty damn quiet.
>>51293852
If the noise really is unbearable I'd recommend getting a new cooler. I'd got a mugen 4 for like 45 bucks and the thing doesn't make a sound. It's pretty big in comparison to a stock cooler though.
>>51282054
1 - No, the faster you can crunch numbers, the better.
2 - yea... Faster hardware means less impact on gameplay with shitty optimization.
>>51285347
>intel user
>>51293868
Yeah I was looking for something relatively small. When I realise how fucking huge some of these coolers are I get uneasy thinking about attaching them. I might just look for one that is retard proof to attach and not worry about noise as much. I'd say almost anything is quieter than stock cooler trying to keep up with a 90CC CPU.
There are three boards for video games on this site.
One of them will welcome a pc gaming hardware thread.
>>51293970
>there is a technology board on this site.
>the technology board will welcome a gpu hardware thread.
Fact: High production values require the game to be dumbed to the lowest common denominator, in order to recoup the investment.
Fact: The smartest, most interesting and most fun games usually have low to mid production values.
Fact: This applies to all kinds of art.
Shit films with AAA production values:
- "Jurassic World"
- "Bat Man"
- The whole "Fast and Furious" series
- "Star Wars"
Top tier films with low production values:
Les Vampires (1915, Feuillade)
狂った一頁 (1926, Kinugasa)
Black Moon (1975, Malle)
Berlin Alexanderplatz (1980, Fassbinder)
สัตว์ประหลาด (2004, Weerasethakul)
Vale Abraão (1993, Oliveira)
Зepкaлo (1975, Tarkovsky)
So the lesson is, your $50 GPU is enough.
>>51282054
>Its been 8 years and people wont hop off of crysis's dick
It stopped looking "better than everything else" like 5 years ago. Seriously look at that screen and tell me that grass and gun texture look good.
>>51293955
Alright man. Good luck on your endeavours.
>>51293782
>mfw just bought a second 6870 to play my witcher at something higher than 1366*768 @30 fps
>I can now play it at 1366*768 @60fps or 1920*1080 @ 40 fps
>>51294111
>yfw for £50 or so more you could have trashed both cards for a single more powerful, quieter and cooler card
>>51293714
SSD or Graphics Card senpai
>>51293521
4690k and 750 Ti
I don't play a lot of games anymore, but when I do they run just fine
You need your vision checked if you can't see all the difference between crysis 1 and modern aaa-titles desu senpai
>>51286931
Looks fucking astounding.
It's no secret that nowadays companies are focusing on getting the game done on consoles first, and then comes the PC.
>>51282054
Scam? no, Necessary? absolutely not
I'm playing fallout 4 on an AMD A10-7700k, that's it, no GPU other than the one built in to the processor and it plays smooth on low. I just happens to look like an xbox 360 game. Framerate is solid.
>>51282054
This was released in 2007...
>>51287827
>>51287827
running a top range xeon with a 280x. ultra quality >60fps.
ah such life
In other words, 8 years ago.
I want /v/ to leave.
>>51294806
>>51294789
>blocky >3mb webm
>showcasing anything at all
>>51294861
What does this even have to do with anything ?
>>51294874
Have you played Gothic3 ?
Keep the /v/ meemees on /v/ please.
>>51294916
At least this one is obvious.
>>51294861
>Tournesol with only 1000 hp
This triggers me.
>>51294789
>>51294806
Ah, the good times when devs actually invested time in nice high quality textures and not in HDAO/SSAO/HBAO etc lighting effect bullshit that just make your head hurt.
Just go and play crysis 1,2,3, textures go worse in every game.
Same with far cry 2 compared to far cry 3, texture quality is literally identical while game runs 4x slower maxed out.
>>51284772
>7870 2GB
they are definitely on crack... no fucking way. my card runs GTA V, Battlefield 4 and everything and yet this poorly graphically designed game needs a fucking 7870!!!!????
LOOOOOOOOOOL in the trash it goes
>>51287186
R9 390, beats the 970 like fuck and costs less, don't listen to the shlls dude.
>>51295038
Because it look like crap.
>>51293521
I was running a 750Ti @ 4K upgraded to an R9 390 8GB card, butter smooth 130-140 FPS on CSGO @ 4K
>>51282167
Yeah it does. I own an r9 390 and get a steady 85 fps. I capped it at that though.
>>51294789
That can't be healthy
>>51286931
>Mfw i have this game
>Play it on all mediums cause doing higher doesn't do anything for me at 2273x1223
>>51295055
GTA V mostly relies on CPU
>>51295055
ok GTA V was a bad example but BF4 looks decent.
>>51294895
You can't compare something developed by Americans with something developed by a German. It's like comparing a Chevrolet with a BMW. Obviously the American stuff is going to be shit, and adding more retards on the project isn't going to make it better.
>>51284311
AMD and Loonix fags BTFO
>>51294954
literally the only reason to play revelation is because of dat ass
>>51295038
There is literally zero reason why games that can run on PS4/Xbone couldn't run on their PC equivalent hardware. We have ready seen I3 and 750ti pcs match the Xbox One and PS4. You can even make PC even cheaper then that run Fallout 4 if you wanted to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1DMrkKRb8E&src_vid=EH7xrFM9re4&feature=iv&annotation_id=55cda628-0000-259d-ac0f-001a1148b044
It's just because developers don't have to their fix their bloatware because PC hardware can brute force through any bad porting. And GPU manufactering need to justify sell new GPUs.
Here is why.
>>51294754
>>51295210
>>51295218
You're forgetting the part where how badly those games perform on console.
Because, boys, Skyrim or Fallout on console...
>>51282054
>Are GPU's a massive scam or are developers just lazy?
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/3s5r4d/is_nvidia_sabotaging_performance_for_no_visual/cwukpuc?context=10
>The performance cost? About 30% of your frame rate. Blatant overuse of tessellation yet again. That's just on nVidia cards, the loss will be even worse on AMD: With no image quality gained! This happened before in other games, where nVidia was found tessellating SUBPIXELS.
>And this is just ONE of the wonderful features added by GameWorks suite
http://hothardware.com/news/indepth-analysis-of-dx11-crysis-shows-highly-questionable-tessellation-usage
>Using an AMD tool called GPU PerfStudio, it's possible to see which objects and surfaces have been tessellated and where the GPU is spending the bulk of its rendering time
>, but there's compelling evidence that certain surfaces in Crysis 2--like concrete blocks--are rendered in extremely high detail, even when there's no visual improvement to doing so
>Water is another issue. At present, there are multiple game areas where water is only visible in one small area or isn't visible at all. Despite this, the game is still rendering (and tessellating) an invisible ocean underneath the player's feet
>>51295570
>The guys at Hardware.fr found that enabling tessellation dropped the frame rates on recent Radeons by 31-38%.
>The competing GeForces only suffered slowdowns of 17-21%."
>>51295350
just kinda.
>inuit throat singing
This has to be the hippest post I've ever seen outside of /mu/ or /lit/.
>>51295570
to be fair about water : its been rendered that way for almost 20 years now : its cheaper to just render water at one (or multiple levels) with minimal collision planes to confine the water. Everything Bethesda 3d renders water this way, all the crysis games render water. Its sloppy coding that takes an extra toll on your GPU and CPU, but no ones paying people to do this, its the exact opposite : they are not getting paid to spend hours making new planes to corral the water surface, why bother? 12months from game release most peoples hardware wont care one way or the other.
>>51282054
Developers are indeed lazy. GPUs keep getting more powerful, but it's kind of pointless. Really, I yearn for the days when developers coded on a lower level, using creative hardware tricks to squeeze as much performance out of limited resources as possible.
>>51282054
>Crysis vs FO4
nigga, you just went full retard
>>51282120
>why? because it's a PC exclusive?
Because Bethesda always sucked in graphics department whereas Crysis games graphics are the primary selling point. Were FO4 a representative of cutting edge graphics, or at least tried, the comparison would be less retarded.
>>51293152
>owning a PS4 ever
>>51295971
Won't happen ever again. Guess they got a deal with the graphic card developers to keep optimization to minimum.
>>51283068
I can relate.
I went from a PS3 to an PC with 4770K and 780Ti. Everything looked better and ran smoother, but in the end the games are exactly the same and now I pretty much only play Rocket League on it with some friends.
>>51283068
>Consolefag
>Titanfall
Why I'm not surprised?
>>51294284
>mfw I bought it 50€ and a more powerful card would have cost 100+
>>51289082
>missing the point by this much
>>51295804
i'd get a load of that guy, if you know what i mean
Halo 5...
...and Unreal Tournament 4.
>>51294389
>>51293521
>tfw 750ti does all I need @ 2560x1080
Its nice when your favorite games are really not very GPU intensive
>>51296703
what's your point, exactly?
Unreal Engine is just hands down pleasing to look at
I look at that Halo image and I see ok lighting, but crappy materials and models.
The image does not show off what that engine can handle, so I'm not convinced the two can be compared.
>>51282500
This
>>51294916
this doesnt really speak to how buggy each game is... sure stalker looks alright but it's buggy and rough as hell, gran turismo would obviously have to spend large amounts of money on licensing for cars, tracks, soundtrack etc
these budget images aren't all that useful. I mean even if the budget figure was a useful value, it's not even sourced
>>51294965
wow thats nuts. I might invest in a gaming setup in the future.
>>51296755
>sure stalker looks alright but it's buggy and rough as hell
because it's a little more ambitious than the last corridor FPS.
GPU's aren't a scam but they do seem to be a lot like headphones where there's a perfect price-to-performance spot and everything past that is giving you diminished returns for your money. Like, a 970 or 390 will give you good performance and you can spend double to get a 980ti but you're getting maybe 30-50% extra performance for that extra cash. And even if you have less performance with the cheaper cards, you can always just adjust settings in the most demanding games to help smooth things out.
Then again maybe I'm wrong and I'm just trying to justify spending less on a GPU to save some money.
>>51296773
not really. in that it has an inventory? open spaces? these things have been done before and have been done with more polish... even fallout 3 is less buggy than the stalker games, yet there are a million more variables
>>51296832
>even fallout 3 is less buggy than the stalker games
lol not even close
>>51296832
>these things have been done before
and?
>>51291021
how does that change anything? consoles are shit and there is no excuse to own either of them
>>51289140
How is this not illegal?
>>51296900
marketing?
EVERY devs, publishers and console manufacturer cheat like that.
It's both, to be fair. Like >>51282086 said, devs are lazy, but it's their shit tier coding that drives the market for more powerful GPU being shat on a daily basis, consuming egregious amounts of materials and metals, and establishing a demand that provokes horrible labour conditions for thousands of migrant workers in china and nearby countries. GPU companies obviously incentivate this same shit-tier coding to boost unit sales, so it's like a perfect symbiosis going on.
>>51295174
OMG look at dem shitty textures, lighting and vegetation.
How is crysis held to such high praise for its graphics
>>51282054
>>51294789
Games like Crysis 1 and Serious sam ( FE,SE) were built on using an engine that could do anything you wanted, it was modular all the way from core to moving toes, Crysis 2,3 and any other FPS game after Crysis 1 simply switched to interactive movie mode where "it compiles, it works, time to release it" as an interactive movie, not as a game which is a result of creating a fucking awesome game engine, in other words, games were just a showoff of how good technology and engine were.
>>51297001
