with qemu/kvm you can run windows programs at ~95-99% native peformance
what is your excuse now?
right now I'm playing fallout 4 in >60fps with all settings ultra on muh arch linux
>>51276070
>qemu/kvm
how do I into?
>>51276107
google is your friend
you need compatible hardware and two gpu's
>>51276070
isn't there wine already? macfag here, don't know much about le linux
>>51276125
I thought you would be my friend today.
>two gpu's
Okay, I can stop right there
>>51276070
>Why do you still use Windows?
because 100% native performance.
0.1% could mean the difference between 1 million programs not working.
>>51276107
do you have second gpu? if not then just stick with windows
>>51276107
You need VT-d.
The fucking jews took it out from the K series up until Skylake.
>>51276153
I clearly do not have a second gpu and no, I won't work on Windows
>>51276070
>~95-99% native peformance
There's this thing called Windows that can give you 100% native performance on everything.
>>51276125
Lol waste 100 bucks on a second GPU. Linux is such a waste of time and money.
>>51276140
>>51276161
Did you count your iGPU?
>>51276161
no games for you then m8 :^)
>>51276070
Linux has always felt sub-par and unenjoyable for me to use for various actual as well as just pure psychological reasons. I enjoy using a combination of Windows, UNIX and BSD instead.
Linux doesn't offer me anything, which is why I feel no need to switch.
The security is obviously better I admit, but if you know what you're doing, then you should never get infected on Windows -- and I don't. Haven't gotten anything in maybe 10 years.
>>51276156
Xeons are the only respectable processors.
>>51276172
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>51276190
and now we wait...
>>51276208
thats a snowman senpai
>>51276168
you can use a shitty iGPU or even a virtual gpu
>>51276263
Wow that's so awesome. If only I had installed Linux instead of Windows 10. Then I could be fucking around with virtual GPUs and kvm settings instead of double clicking on the Fallout 4 icon when I download it tomorrow.
>>51276125
This is my excuse.
>>51276279
you had to fuck around with windows 10 too faggot
all I had to do was click on the fallout 4 icon m8 aswell m8 I already set it up a month ago
>>51276170
>everyone has one
>>51276302
I never had to fuck around with Windows 10. It was a free upgrade.
Linux sucks. Think about all the time you waste ricing your arch box. What a fucking waste of time.
>>51276320
you don't have to rice it, there are things called Desktop Environments like Gnome and KDM
>>51276156
So 4690k won't werk?
>>51276070
Because Linux isn't user friendly and OSX isn't stable on my hardware.
>>51276170
>Did you count your iGPU?
>I'm edgy and dedicated GPUs are the standard
>>>/v/
>>51276408
Actually, 4690K seems to have it. I didn't know about that.
List here: http://ark.intel.com/Search/Advanced?s=t&VTD=true
Searching for i5-xxxxK returned i5-4690K and i5-6600K only.
Also some i7-xxxxK series seem to have it, however the choice seems absolutely arbitrary.
>>51276070
>qemu/kvm
Let me know when I can just load up said ISO and install it without going through a bunch of bullshit then we'll talk. My time isn't worthless like yours, which makes my free time even more valuable.
>>51276070
I do this. It's nice to have an iGPU for this purpose. You can buy a shitty 30$ GPU though if you don't.
>>51276527
If your mobo has dvi/hdmi you probably have an iGPU
>>51276544
>if you have and intel cpu you probably have an iGPU
Corrected.
>>51276125
but i need two GPUs just to run the games at all. and i can't buy a third one right now.
>>51276070
When I built my new PC last month I installed Mint with plans to do that, but it turned out that Linux generic drivers are completely fucking useless and my Z170 mobo and Intel iGPU didn't work. So I installed Windows, and it just werked.
JUST
>>51276601
you can install windows in qemu/kvm
>>51276614
Really? I had no idea. It's not like that's exactly what this thread is about, or exactly what I was referring to with 'plans to do that'. Thanks.
>Buy extra hardware when you could just dual boot
Look, years ago it took like a minute between reboots but now there's no excuse really.
>>51276648
Except you have to stop and close what you're doing.
>>51276628
>>51276648
I prefer it to dual booting since I can use all my superior Ganuulinux software whilst playing Windows games
can you use mpd+ncmpcpp and your animmu desktop while playing gayems
no
>>51276661
Why not just use foobar2k like a sensible person
>>51276654
If you're torrenting I guess, if you're playing vidcons why would you need to run specifically linux software on the background? What is so important that's not available on Windows that you need to do while playing a game?
>>51276140
Ok.. So how many people do you think have that, I have a AMD R9 285... FALLOUT 4 at 60 fps brought me here and you wrecked me!
I'm willing to try other is, as long as I can play games.. Suggestions?
>>51276070
Whats the best virtualization to use for server wise?
>>51276458
>thread about muh games on /g/
>this guy
You are in the wrong thread, faggot.
>>51276070
>>51276150
>>51276168
Daily reminder that wine has also reached native performance already.
Daily reminder that the CSMT patches perform so well that some games can run at a higher frame rates than natively on Windows already.
Daily reminder that this is a curve growing fast while windows performance has completely stabilized.
Daily reminder that Linux will outperform windows on all windows software in the near future.
>>51276708
Still no DX10 support
It's laughable
>>51276708
Daily reminder that dual booting gives you the best of both worlds, no wine and shit required + literally 100% gaymen performance on windblows while secure and private working on Linux.
All the plebs in this thread...
>>51276725
Name 3 games that require DX 10.
>>51276727
Why dualboot for 100% while you can have 120% without?
>>51276738
GTA V, Just Cause 2, BF3
>>51276125
>google is your friend
No. Actually no.
Google is not your friend.
Try another search engine. Or a trusted wiki. Or something. But not Google. Google is not your friend.
>>51276708
>Daily reminder that wine has also reached native performance already.
lol no
Need for Speed: Most Wanted (2005) ran like shit last time I tried it
>>51276780
Just wait for their arguments
>just play a real game
>you probably used wine 1.4 or some shit
>your computer must be a toaster for sure
>if you don't know how to use linux why do you even use it
>>51276757
Fair point, let's hope the amazing wine devs will get their hands on it soon!
>>51276780
Currentlywine developersexperiment with stream/worker thread optimizations for Wine. You may experience an enormous performance improvement by using this experimental patched Wine versions. Many games may run as fast as on Windows or even faster. This Wine patch is is known as CSMT patch and works with NVidia and AMD graphics cards.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wine#CSMT_patch
>>51276725
it was made years ago, nobody bothered to continue developing it as a translation layer to gl provides perfect functionality as is
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMyNDU
>>51276677
what I regularly use during gaymen sessions
coreutils
mpd
my riced window manager
various command line tools
ssh
irssi
rtorrent(throttled)
htop
mutt
vim
- I peform task faster on linux
- alot of customization would be very difficult or impossible to replicate on windows
and I also like to keep my computer on for months at a time
>>51276806
Doesn't wine staging come with that patch already?
>>51276820
Yes, but you still have to enable it.
>>51276813
Jesus fuck the stereotype fit like a glove
>>51276812
meh, terrible performance for 10 year old games wasn't the only problem I had with Linux
>>51276738
>120%
Explain.
>inb4 he's just retarded
At least I saw it coming.
>>51276813
>using CLI while playing a game
now you're just making shit up
>>51276855
>>51276806
Just read it
>>51276857
he only plays dwarf fortress
>>51276857
Not him but why not?
CLI takes up few screen space, and is lightweight. It's a good fit with gaming.
>>51276861
Why not have actual proof of this?
The only things I can remember benchmarked on both Windows and Linux are things like Xonotic, which almost seem logical to have running better on linux.
Most windows software is shit anyway it's just the only reason besides muh games that winfags can cite.
>>51276886
>Entire Adobe suite
>Visual Studio
I can cite shit other than games :^)
>>51276857
sometimes I may "alt-tab" for 30 seconds to do something involving the cli
>>51276861
>in development
Yeah... No.
I keep a Windows box just incase I'm required to use software that only compatible with Windows. I also use it for media. I don't like Wine and shit. I use Gentoo Linux for school and everything else.
>also
>>>/v/
I'm tired of you faggots shitting up this board...
>>51276861
>many games
>not simply all of them
I would take a "20%" performance hit (meaning actual 100% performance as of today's windows standard) to be able to play simply everything.
Arch/windows dual boot it is and stays for me.
>>51276954
>implying 99% of this board never played any games, even casually.
If this is such a big problem for you, leave.
>>51276954
I hope you also tell animefags to go to >>>/a/
>>51276532
>my time isn't worthless
>posts on 4chan
yeah ok buddy
>>51276972
Similarly I would take a 20% to be able to keep running Linux programs. When it becomes a consistent 20% gain windows will become obsolete.
What does it look like running? Do windows programs function on the linux machine or is it just two OSs running in VMs that you can switch between?
>>51276070
Last time I tried to use Linux on my desktop I had to spend a day troubleshooting graphics driver issues and my font rendering broke like three separate times.
I can't even run windows programs at native performance on windows
also wine was pretty buggy when I used it earlier this year, I doubt its gotten that much better since then
also bideo gaims
>>51276806
>IT'S JUST AS GOOD AS WINDOWS
>but this, this and that doesn't even work
>THEY WILL FIX IT SOMEDAY
>>51277041
like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37D2bRsthfI
and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9QwDmYBRgg&t=1m20s
and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17qxEpn4EGs&t=2m
>>51277051
I never suggested using wine
>>51277080
The worst is that JC2 came out what, decades ago?
>>51277085
well I definitely don't have two gpus
>60 fps with two gpus
>native performance
lel
>>51277102
you can use a shit one for linux and a $400 card for Windows.. and then switch back when your not playing games
>>51276738
>Name 3 games that require DX 10.
Pretty much all of them, it's getting super difficult to use graphics tools that only use DX9 unless you play older games.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_10_support
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_11_support
>>51277036
>to be able to run Linux programs
A dual boot can do that.
Up till now /g/ couldn't come up with a single argument against dual booting except "switching the os is a pain in the ass"
>>51277113
look at that persons benchmarks with little configuration
Benchmarks:
- Native: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/2306367
- Emulated: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/2329558
I wouldn't trust that to be reliable enough for Ableton especially doing live stuff
I didn't even know windows works in qemu kvm
Maybe the reason people don't do it is because they are so accustomed to using virtual box or VMware
>>51276708
>Daily reminder that Linux will outperform windows on all windows software in the near future.
You linux weeaboos are real fucking dumb.
>>51277138
That's just dumb. I don't want to have to boot to windows, I want mpd running in the background, I want to have a sand window manager to switch workspaces while the game is loading, I want to quickly run some network analysis tools and scripts. I want to always have a shell available within 2 seconds.
>>51277136
Some games that can use DX11/10 can also work with DX9, just that they not so common anymore.
And then someone will tell you "but bioshock infinite and shadow of mordor work on linux!" but pretty much most other AAA titles coming out frequently aren't.
>>51277036
>Similarly I would take a 20% to be able to keep running Linux programs.
Ever tried cygwin or flinux?
>>51276125
>"Hey, why isn't everyone running this cool thing"
>"sure, where do I get it"
>"I'm not gonna tell you"
>>51277311
Slightly agree with this but also with that guy
If he or someone else wants to do s thread like this the least they should do is point the rest of us to a working guide because 90% of the time the hardest part is finding reliable and working info, outdated and flaky info is everywhere
>>51277350
true, but if you are having performance issues with wine or some games are not working at all dual boot > windows only and playing no games at all or at very low FPS < dual boot
>>51277311
you get it from a package manger m8
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/QEMU
www.catchlinux.com/virtualization-bootcamp-for-newbies
our system thinks your post is spam, ghey
Anyone tried CSMT patch, care to share any results?
>>51276070
Hello Anon, I too use the computer this way, pic related is my rig. Frankly it's 100% native performance if your game's GPU bottlenecked, as it's only the VCPU where there can be losses (and thing's like HPET if you don't set things up correctly).
There seems to be some people wanting to know how to do this, so here's some stuff that helped me:
This dude's blog answer most questions somewhere: http://vfio.blogspot dot co.uk/
This Arch wiki page is decent:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF
And this arch forum post is OK, but it's out of date. The stuff at the end (i.e. setting up the VM when passthrough's working) is fine though:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=162768
The main things to remember are:
If your processor doesn't have virtualization acceleration (VT-d on intel, AMD-VI on amd), you're SOL. You also need two GPUs.
Unless your CPU/chipset supports device isolation (ie, you run X99 not Z97), then you're going to run into problems as both GPUs will be probably be in the same IOMMU group. The workaround requires a kernel patch.
Oh, if you're guest card is an NVidia GTX card, you're going to have a bad day. NVidia's drivers self destruct (crash with error 43) if you run them in a VM. Quadros don't have this problem, so I suspect it's because they want you to buy a Quadro. You can workaround it by disabling some KVM extensions to hide the fact that the card's in a VM, but that takes a bite out of your VCPU performance. This is one of the reason's I bought an R9 Fury.
I've got this running smoothly right now, so if anyone wants to try this, AMA.
>One day you will be able to run the CC suite and almost any AAA release coming out without issues on linux
That day is not today though. Maybe in 2028.
>>51276070
Wine is really clever on OS X.
When I play Age Of Mythology, the battery lasts around 10 hours, while if I played it in Boot Camp, the battery would crap out in about 2 hours.
I haven't tried Wine extensively in Linux, can anybody share their experience when playing simple games on Wine under Linux?
OS X has a really outdated and buggy version of OpenGL so a lot of shit are buggy and plain don't work.
>>51276320
>free upgrade
You mean a free beta
>>51277406
thnaks lad, this needs to be spammed around /g/, maybe you should create a thread sometime
using the r9 myself
>>51277406
Not to shit on you or anything, but this is still only available to a very small margin of people who happen to have this kind of specific, otherwise relatively pointless hardware setup.
Windows gaming is still far simpler, easier and cheaper for the exact same end result if not better.
>>51277463
Yeah it's like building a computer for hackintosh. Might as well buy the real thing at such point.
I have vt-d (oldish i5-520m from 2010) but not 2 GPUs
Why do I need 2 GPUs??
>>51277463
>otherwise relatively pointless
It's a perfectly fine setup for anything, the only component not required for non PCI-passthrough stuff would be the smaller GPU, which I had anyway.
The only specific thing absolutely required is the CPU, it has to support certain extensions, which includes pretty much everything recent except -K series intel chips (except Skylake and Devil's canyon -K series, which work fine). There's a workaround for everything else. I imagine over 50% of rigs in a guts thread could run this setup.
>>51276070
I want my ~1%-5% more perfomance.
>>51277369
I meant>>51277258
>>51277406
I see you have a Z97 motherboard, which CPU are you using and how does it perform ?
Would you say it's worth it to go X99 for 6 cores for this purpose, or is a quadcore enough even for CPU intensive games ?
Because all of the programs I use for server hosting and creating/editing/updating/managing various websites (and all of the programs their owners use) are not on Linux shit.
and because i have Titan X and 300 steam games.
>>51277489
PCI devices can only be initialized and then used by one OS at a time. Just like you can't use two drivers simultaneously for the same GPU.
However, the i5-520m has an iGPU, so give that to linux and give the main GPU to windows and you can make it work.
>>51277521
>i5-520m has a iGPU
What? That's the first I've heard of it. This laptop has a nvidia 310m, I've never seen it report anything else. How do I access the iGPU if its never been reported in Linux?
>>51277512
I use the i7-4790K. Works great after using the ACS override kernel patch. I haven't really benched the CPU extensively, but when I tried benching it with CPU-Z it was 5% higher than native, which puzzles me!
There's no FPS hit for most mainstream games right now like the Witcher 3, as they're all GPU bottlenecked on my system.
>>51277512
>Would you say it's worth it to go X99 for 6 cores for this purpose, or is a quadcore enough even for CPU intensive games ?
I'd say a quadcore is fine for single-GPU but if you're running two Fury-Xs or something and want to remove the bottleneck, then sure get a 6 core. The VCPU difference is probably not a good enough reason alone to go down that road though. You can probably get all that performance back with a small overclock, though I have yet to run tests to verify this statement.
If you're building a system with this setup in mind, my only recommendations would be a VT-D CPU and an AMD GPU.
>>51277540
Go into the BIOS and look for the 'primary display output' or similar setting.
>>51276070
no you aren't
>>51277444
>Implying Linux isn't a perpetual beta test
>>51276125
>two gpu's
dropped
>>51276070
Because I hate all of Linux UIs.
>>51277680
>Please note that you'll need both a VT-d capable CPU and mainboard(or the AMD equivalent). And of course, 2 gpus, for example 1 dedicated PCIe card the onboard gpu of a core i* processor.
It's not really needed to have identical GPUs.
>>51277712
make your own
>>51277734
two cables to my screen? dropped.
>>51277746
Oh stop being such a party pooper.
>>51277589
>If you're building a system with this setup in mind
I'm not, but I'm thinking about adding a GPU to my current setup and going down the virtualization road for video games.
Currently my setup consists of a 4690k @ 4Ghz, a 750 Ti, and 12GB RAM. The VT-d part is covered, only thing I'm missing would be an AMD GPU. I wonder how much of a difference hyperthreading makes here, though...
>>51276070
Well over half of /g/ is no longer intelligent enough to do this, and would be much happier wasting their time and money on a shitty web interface to KVM.
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuJYMCbIbPk
>>51276107
You need a two GPUs AND two damned monitors because AND two mouse-keyboard sets or KVM fucktoy.
baka desu senpai
>>51277780
This.
Most of /g/ disgusts me nowadays.
>>51277734
It's actually easier to have different GPUs as you can blacklist the driver from the guest card on linux and not have to worry about the graphics driver getting in before the vfio driver.
>>51277766
>hyperthreading
It's the same situation as native, only helps if the game or application support it. But yeah with the 750-ti for linux and an AMD GPU for windows that could be a mean passthrough setup.
Just be aware this took me like an entire day of setup and about a week afterwards of on-and-off troubleshooting to get this setup perfect.
>>51277794
>to use the machine differently you have to use the machine differently!
Correct.
You could use monitor with input switching. There's nothing wrong with USB switches.
>>51277822
>>to use the machine differently you have to use the machine differently!
>Correct.
>
>You could use monitor with input switching. There's nothing wrong with USB switches.
Thanks, wake me up when they learn how to Ctrl+Alt+Tab from linux to Windows VM with dedicated video card.
>>51277745
I hate my own too.
>>51277835
You know, you could always keep the windows machine in the dark and stream from it on linux with steam streaming... Then you can Ctrl+Alt+Tab across. Not sure how good steam streaming is nowadays though.
>>51277822
>Just be aware this took me like an entire day of setup and about a week afterwards of on-and-off troubleshooting to get this setup perfect.
Mind going into a bit more detail about that troubleshooting ? What kinda issues were you having ?
>You could use monitor with input switching.
I have this (4 of them, in fact), but is that necessary ?
Can't you set it up so the VM uses the AMD GPU to render shit and then sends the output over to the Nvidia GPU ?
>There's nothing wrong with USB switches.
So does that mean no keyboard/mouse hooking into the VM you need either extra peripherals or a USB switch ?
>>51277756
might as well have two computers at that point.
i only use it for
>games
>sync folder with google drive
>iTunes sync
>adobe suite
I'm working to convert and figure out how do get all these things going, but for now this is how i use my dual boot.
>>51278097
>Mind going into a bit more detail about that troubleshooting ? What kinda issues were you having ?
If I was to list all the little details I'd be here all day. Maybe I should write something for the /g/ wiki? But I had problems with isolating the GPU that required the ACS kernel patch. I had interrupt problems shutting down and starting up again the VM in the same host session when using SeaBIOS. I had the same problems when updating the GPU drivers, so it had to do with device initialization. It was fixed with OVMF (a virtual UEFI). I had problems installing windows as it was sensitive to CPU emulation settings for some reason. I had problems with sound that required some tweaking of pulseaudio configs. There's quite a lot of fun to be had...
>>51278097
>Can't you set it up so the VM uses the AMD GPU to render shit and then sends the output over to the Nvidia GPU ?
No idea how to do that, are you proposing to send the video output through PCI? Not sure that's possible, but you could use a capture application and send the video through a virtual network device to the linux machine. This is essentially what steam streaming would do for you. I'd keep it simple and just use the card's port.
>>51278097
>So does that mean no keyboard/mouse hooking into the VM you need either extra peripherals or a USB switch ?
There's many ways to give the VM USB devices. You can add the host's devices through the QEMU commandline, but then it's a pain to switch back and forth and there's a bit of latency. Some people use synergy, which can be setup to continuously move the mouse from the linux monitor to the windows monitor (magic, I know). However, there's still latency. I ended up doing another PCI passthrough and giving the windows machine an entire USB controller to play with, and hook Windows' ports and linux's ports to a usb switch and connect my keyboard and mouse to that. The switch has a button on a wire so I just have a small button on my desk to switch.
Because Linux is the least secure OS around. Linus refuses to implement any security in the Kernel, regardless of how vulnerable it makes the OS.
No, software solutions are an adequate alternative because a compromised kernel can override them all.
>>51278232
>Maybe I should write something for the /g/ wiki?
That would be awesome, and very appreciated.
>No idea how to do that, are you proposing to send the video output through PCI?
Yeah that sounds about right. Though...
>I'd keep it simple and just use the card's port.
In my case, this would be just like when I play games on a console, hook the thing up to my AV receiver and switch inputs on that and my primary monitor.
You mentioned pulseaudio, do you pass audio from the VM to the host machine ?
>The switch has a button on a wire so I just have a small button on my desk to switch.
Got a link or model number/name ?
>>51278268
can you provide a link to a zero-day exploit ?
>>51278534
>implying they aren't being sold
That shut is worth money, don't be naïve
>>51277605
Just checked, there is no such option
Thanks again dell
>>51278268
you are a fucking idiot
>>51276125
Can it work with iGPU for linux and dedicated gpu for windows?
>>51278494
>do you pass audio from the VM to the host machine ?
Yes.
>Got a link or model number/name ?
Aten US224
I think I'll write up all I've learnt when I have a free weekend, which won't be for a while. I have a bunch of messy text files full of rough unintelligible notes.
I dualboot win7 ultimate and xubuntu :^)
>>51278661
Thanks senpai
I'mma be keeping an eye on the /g/ wiki when I get closer to making this setup a reality, it'll be at least a few months from now anyway.
Great that you can pass audio to the host machine too, being able to keep notification sounds is nice.
Appreciate the info m8, thanks
>>51276070
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Windows, is in fact, NSA/Windows, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, NSA plus Windows. Windows is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another expensive component of a fully functioning Spy system made useful by the NSA core-spyware, reverse shell utilities and vital keylogging components comprising a full botnet as defined by Gen. J. Clapper.
Many computer users run a modified version of the botnet system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of spyware which is widely used today is often called “Windows”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the NSA system, developed by the NSA. There really is a Windows, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Windows is the cover: the program in the system that hides the spying resources from the other programs that you run. The cover is an essential part of a botnet, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete botnet. Windows is normally used in combination with the NSA spyware: the whole system is basically botnet with Windows added, or NSA/Windows. All the so-called “Windows” versions are really versions of NSA/Windows.
because Windows runs Windows apps at 100% performance and those are what I use for work and leisure
Planning on switching to this, someone who's done it, can you passthrough an entire HDD, not just creating a virtual disk image on it but the entire thing.
>>51276070
Linux isn't my hobby.
>>51276208
It's caret, not carat. You stupid turd.
>>51278756
-drive file=/dev/sda,format=raw,if=virtio
>>51276125
>you need two gpus
Yeah nah fucking Deeropped
>>51278733
lol
Can Intel HD graphics count as one of the GPU's, and your Graphics Card as the other?
>>51276070
>not using dual boot for that 100% native performance
I'm used to it. I also have a spare pc running ubuntu 14.04 as a server.
>>51276070
>playing Fallout 4 on Arch Linux
No you're not. You're running Fallout 4 on Windows inside of a VM. You're still using Windows senpai, just adding a bunch of shit that doesn't need to be there.
>>51279338
yes but only as the host os, can't passthrough igp (although why would you want to).
Fallout 4 is out?
>>51277113
because you passtrough one to the VM, and you need 1 to your host distro. 4chan is full of shit meme guys.
>>51276070
I know there has been 8 hours since you posted, but I want to share you my thoughts.
I know how do you feel, anon, I was just like you. For some reason, I was committed to have Linux has my main OS, because many reasons, "freedom", speed, efficiency, you name it, Linux was the OS that the professionals at computing should use.
And I tried to leave Windows too. From dual booting to leaving Windows in a Virtual Machine. "I only boot it when I need to play a game", "I only emulate Windows when I need it".
...
Then, after a while, I realized something. One simple thought that made me drop Linux:
"Why the fuck I'm wasting time and resources just to pretend I'm moving away from Windows when, at the end, I can't drop Windows for my computer needs, but I can drop Linux instead".
Face it,unless you're on work, there is no need to use Linux. No good program that can't be used on Windows. I stopped trying to move Windows away and now is Linux who is in a virtual machine, barely used or opened, and my computer runs better, I don't waste more time tweaking it and Linux is where it belongs.
>>51280132
I know this is b8, but I could not do my work without a Unix-like terminal. Powershell is just not the same. Windows is only good for games and soon GabeN will bring those over too.
Not OP, but VGA passthrough is a pragmatic solution to the problem of 'I use linux but want to play a windows exclusive game from time to time'.
If this solution wasn't possible, I'd do what I did before and just use linux and rarely play games, because I could never be arsed to dual boot. Since the passthrough I've enjoyed playing more games in my down-time, which I think is healthy.
>>51277085
Since every GPU sucks on Linux except Intel, and they say you can't use the iGPU with the dGPU (as two cards), then it's not a solution.
Once they solve that - I am sold.
But to be honest I would virtualize my Linux desktop too, because Xorg and apps just love to crash.
Okay, guys, let me just say this.
Why don't you virtualize Linux and use Windows (either Server, or LTSB 10, or 7, whatever)?
I mean, you can play games, and be a jerk in circlejerk threads....
>>51280814
>wasting resources and performance
Why would I use Linux on a desktop? It's an inferior OS, with inferior drivers and inferior security.
>>51280763
>they say you can't use the iGPU with the dGPU (as two cards)
Whoever says that is wrong, as that's exactly what you can do.
If you have a linux host and a windows guest the linux host can use the iGPU and the windows guest can use the dGPU. The only thing you can't do is give the iGPU to the windows guest as it's not a PCI device.
So you're sold, right?
>>51276708
> in the near future
that's nice, but I live in the PRESENT and I don't have time to sit around and wait for linux to hry better.
>>51280814
Why waste the extra effort to virtualize linux at all though?
>>51280900
If you don't want to run Linux, then GTFO because this method is a solution to the problem of wanting aspects of both windows and linux.
OP's phrasing is stupid of course, as much as I love my passthrough setup there are good reasons not to do this, such as not having enough time on your hands to set it up.
Maybe someone will make a linux distro just for this at some point to make things install-wizard-easy, or maybe SteamOS will have a place to put in an old windows key and it will set you a VM up in a pinch to play legacy windows games. But for now, this takes writing a few shell scripts, applying a few kernel patches and editing a ton of config files and that's not for everyone.
>>51276156
X99 has it too.
>>51277258
Just use VM for Loonix, retard. Toaster OS doesn't fully support your gaymer hardware anyway.
>>51276070
Do all high end gpus work for the guest system or are there exceptions?
>>51284184
All work (except iGPUs as they're not PCI), but some work better than others. There are some practical considerations, such as you won't be able to use a virtual UEFI if your card doesn't have a UEFI compatible ROM. In this situation you'd have to use SeaBIOS instead to initialize the VM.
Nvidia GTX cards can be a pain, as described here, but you can get around that at the cost of a bit of VCPU performance:
>>51277406
>wifi drivers
>have to buy wifi dongle
;_:
