>There are people on /g/ that still buys inferior Haswell/Broadwell with no HEVC fixed function hardware decoding
TOPPEST LELKEK
>>51258142
Using the integrated GPU
>>51258142
Enjoy your lack of Main 10 support fucking pleb
I'm actually planning on building a HTPC soon. Should I buy a G4400 or a Haswell Pentium? The Skylake G4400 costs more but has HEVC support, then again these processors are all capable of software decoding 4k.
>>51258884
>software decoding 4k
>on a dual core
Lol
>>51258142
>tfw my Surface 3 has HEVC hardware decode up to 10bit 4K and I never intend to view a single video on it.
PC gamer here, Skylake is bretty good for call of duty
>>51258906
Uhh you realize video decoding isn't really a multi-threaded task right? I've actually tested it myself and it plays. I also found a benchmark since I was looking to see what the cheapest processor capable of 4k is since I don't want to rely on hw decoding all the time since anime completely broke it. Not taking that chance again. Let me find it.
>>51258942
Cherry Trail Atom.
It's not the Surface Pro 3.
>>51258942
>>51258884 here
It actually does support certain profiles, just the whole line doesn't support it and unfortunately the Pentiums don't.
https://communities.intel.com/thread/59216
>>51258944
software decoding video streams scales across 8+ cores nicely, I did tests on my old Nehallem and there was a real nice boost to performance with HT turned on.
>>51258959
GPU accelerated != Fixed Function hardware decoding
GPU accelerated is far inferior and slower than fixed function decoding
>>51258976
GPU accelerated is 'fixed function' decoding, that ASIC is on the damn GPU in the first place.
Who the hell wants to decode with iGPU on the desktop?
>>51258967
With what player exactly? I really don't see it scaling past a few cores unless you're using a bunch of filters. Anyway it doesn't matter because modern Pentiums can handle 4k
>>51258142
only supports 8bit.
completely useless.
>>51259003
At that time it was MPC-HC
>>51258989
NO
GPU accelerated is not using the ASIC
It's using the GPU shaders
Don't post if you don't know shit
Haswell does not support HEVC fixed function decoding and neither does Broadwell
Only Skylake is the first Intel CPU with proper fixed function hardware decoding, the CPU usage is significantly lower than GPU accelerated partial/hybrid decoding
>>51259008
Well I find that odd since I'm 90% sure MPC-HC only really uses 2 threads
>>51258944
Decoding my animushit with mpv seems to near equally load all my cores around 17%, seeing this window-to-window with htop turned on.
>>51259026
All ffmpeg based players can scale their decode thread numbers.
>>51259032
Don't the animu configs posted here have a bunch of filtering going on built into mpv?
>>51259063
No, I just use gradfun, which is practically no performance increase.
>>51258906
Here it is
Was going to get a 5350 since they're so fucking cheap but nope, the extra is worth it for some 4k future proofing. Now wondering if Skylake is worth the extra. Only big difference I can see is an obvious difference in power usage due to the lower CPU load but is that worth it.
>>51259125
>the extra is worth it for some 4k future proofing. Now wondering if Skylake is worth the extra.
no 10bit-decoding = no hevc-4k-hw-decoding.
Could someone PLEASE explain to me why Skylake has only 16 pcie lanes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_%28microarchitecture%29#List_of_Skylake_processors
Does this mean that we can forget about SLI for this generation of CPUs?
>giving a shit about HEVC when it's still years if not a decade away from general use
>>51259172
>Support for 16 PCI Express 3.0 lanes from CPU, 20 PCI Express 3.0 lanes from PCH (LGA 1151)
>>51259185
>when it's still years if not a decade away from general use
4k-blurays launch in a few weeks, widespread general UHD launches next year, and 4k-streaming in HEVC is done today on Amazon and Netflix.
eat shit.
>>51259164
So really it's just for web content right? I guess it doesn't really make a difference then.
By the time I get a TV that can handle 10bit HDR 2020 color stuff I'll just upgrade.
newer maxwell cards already have it though.
And you can always decode it in software too.
>>51259172
It has been 16 lanes on the non extreme platform since forever? It isn't a big deal for SLI unless you're going to Tri or Quad but the scaling is dogshit there anyway.
>>51259227
>sound card, M.2, USB/SATA/U.2/etc port adapters
These all take up PCIe lanes, from 2x to 4x
>>51259194
>>Support for 16 PCI Express 3.0 lanes from CPU, 20 PCI Express 3.0 lanes from PCH (LGA 1151)
I see, but it's still pretty low considering the Haswell i7-5930K has 40 lanes. Definitely seems like overkill, but I don't understand why the newer Skylake doesn't support at least that many.
>>51259241
You don't need a sound card unless you're doing professional work and if you need that much expansion then you should just go to the extreme platform. But you don't anyway you're just bitching about nothing.
>>51259253
Because cost and the vast majority don't need that many lanes
>>51259270
>bah bah u dun need eeet
You don't know that, and the extreme platform is shit for M2/U2 since the Haslel, and even upcoming broadlel extreme platforms don't have UEFI drivers for initialization of M2/U2, so the shit is slow for boot.
Point is Skylake has too little PCI lanes, it should have been 20x neatly to fit M2 x4 and a 16x GPU, but now the M2 drive has to go through the PCH which is slower.
>>51259307
Is there any way to get the GPU to use x8 instead of x16 since there's no performance increase anyway.
>>51259218
HEVC using streaming and rips have usually low bitrates so you can manage with software decoding pretty well.
But even i7s can't properly handle high bitrate 4k stuff that will come with new blurays with software decoding.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=171219
If you plan to decode 10-bit 4k blurays or will encode your own high bandwidth videos get a proper gpu with fixed function hardware, otherwise it doesn't matter if you have hw HEVC support or not.
>>51259307
>>51259241
You do realize Z170 has 20 lanes right? This is better than previous platforms.
>>51259336
Acting like software decoders at this stage is indicative of performance in the future is pretty retarded desu senpai
>>51259344
CPU = 16 lanes
PCH = 20 lanes
Previously the CPU had 20 lanes, using the PCH for high bandwidth stuff like a NVMe drive will cost you performance.
>>51259253
>seems like overkill,
>>51259286
>don't need that many lanes
wut. I need so many lanes I need 2 cpus
>>51259336
>LAV DXVA uses maximum iGPU memory of 1GB for 4K decoding and with a low bandwidth of even 12Mbps is slower even than LAV x86 CPU.
wat
>>51259363
>software decoders at this stage
Decoders are already pretty efficient, it's the encoders that suck.
>>51259366
>Previously the CPU had 20 lanes
Since when? Haswell sure as shit doesn't.
>>51259384
Why would you want to use shitty hardware encoders anyway? Even with H264 they're terrible.
>>51259372
So use the extreme platform, but you're just using this as an excuse to repost that for the 100th time which is pretty pathetic.
>>51259336
The decoders are constantly improving, and movies are only 24 fps usually. I think certainly a hex core 5820k can manage it.
>>51259383
I think he is talking hybrid gpu decoding.
>>51258976
>>51259417
>be innathread where OP asks why people buy inferior hardware
>gets butthurt when someone has superior hardware
>>51259441
But your hardware doesn't have HEVC decoding so I guess it's shit
>>51259449
>not having enough cores to do software decoding without HW acceleration
>>51259459
>20C/40T CPU
>on Windows
For what purpose
>>51259459
A Skylake Pentium can do the same thing without shittiing the bed. It isn't impressive.
>>51259467
I work for the JIDF, I shill for Israel on /pol/, I need all those cores to have hundreds of threads open at the same time.
>>51259459
>Those caches
Fuck.
