So Tesla unveiled a new line of product - a battery that can power your home :
http://www.wired.com/2015/05/tesla-batteries/
Basically you'll still be connected to your electric company's power, but Tesla's battery will be on during the peak electrical use, which will save you a bit of money every year.
They say if you have solar panels, then you could go completely off the grid, with solar panels +their battery.
They're priced right now at $3,000 to $3,500, and the prices are expected to be reduced dramatically on top of that even when they start to become properly mass produced in a few years.
My only question is this - How long will it take for us to get our money back, by dumping $3500 for one if these?
Should we just wait a few years when they'll become quite a bit cheaper ($800-1500 or some shit who knows)
Here's a couple more links
http://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy
http://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall
I hope Apple redesigns this because there is no fucking way I would buy something not made by Apple
>>47782294
>My only question is this - How long will it take for us to get our money back, by dumping $3500 for one if these?
Its not about the price. Its about detaching yourself from the gubments resource pool.
If this entire country ran off of electric cars we wouldnt need to fight stupid wars for oil and other resources.
I hate the design. This is a battery to go in my garage, not some art installation. Give me an ugly black box that I can put in a rack and maintain easily, not some Apple-looking garbage where I can't see any mounting hardware or any way to get it open for maintenance.
It also looks like some sci-fi coffin, so the sleek design isn't even appealing.
>>47782409
Its almost like you want the future to be cyberpunk because "Muh apple design"
Its supposed to look that way to appeal to a mass audience rather than some weird looking grease monkey contraption that no one will care about.
>paying for electricity
It must be tough living in a third-world shithole.
My country's government made legislation against exactly this. You can't generate electricity and store it.
Go Spain.
>>47782294
stop posting this garbage on every board you fucking shill
>>/r9k/18382374
It's pointless unless you have tons of extra money to blow.
It's not financially sound for middle class/poor people.
The only Rich people that will care about it are 'muh enviornment' or 'so hip with the new tech' types.
>>47782294
>but Tesla's battery will be on during the peak electrical use, which will save you a bit of money every year.
And how exactly would adding another source of inefficiency “save” me money?
>>47782364
>implying the oil wars aren't carried out for the purposes of hegemonic posturing
>>47782572
>i don't pay for my electricity
>I can't into peak and off-peak rates
So Elon Musk just invented an UPS?
Got it
>having a monthly power bill higher than $10
It's like you guys don't have LEDs throughout your home, and aren't uses outlet switches to power everything down.
>>47782595
Tesla is trying to be the Apple of batteries. By that, I mean they put more effort into their sales pitch and packaging than their actual products.
>>47782525
I don't want the future to be cyberpunk. I want the future to be USEFUL. There's more to design than physical appearance. The fact that this thing has NO way of displaying information, NO obvious way of getting inside for maintenance, and NO mounting hardware is unacceptable.
"Apple design" Is removing necessary features in order to make it thin and light and sleek. This does just that. It removes almost every feature I would expect from a device like this in favor of having a clean, curved front panel with a big logo.
>Its supposed to look that way to appeal to a mass audience rather than some weird looking grease monkey contraption that no one will care about.
And that's exactly the point. This is intended for the mass market of tech illiterates. Pandering to them makes it a worse product, even though it will sell better.
I think it may help to alleviate network costs (a lot of energy is lost just carrying it over those giant ass towers). It may make a better smartgrid, with lower network costs, assuming that there are also some solar panels nearby.
I dont exactly see this as revolutionary. Its more of a streamlined device, but I doubt that people in "remote locations" can afford it since "remote locations" usually translates to "third world shitholes"
I wonder what kind of niche these really could fill. Perhaps they will sell well in germany.
>>47782620
>i eat mcdonalds every day
>i live in a temperate climate
>i'm too poor for appliances
>hot water is overrated
>brooms>vacuum cleaners
>I do my laundry in the bathtub
so anyone know about the technical specs of the batteries themselves? Are they special? How long can they be used before they need to be replaced?
>>47782332
i hope apple redesigns this as well so tesla can help put another nail in their coffin with a lawsuit.
>>47782629
>NO mounting hardware is unacceptable.
Correction: it obviously has mounting hardware, but not nearly enough. This goes on a wall and only on a wall. There's no option to put it in a rack or on the floor.
>>47782629
So you expect everyone to be an expert on BMS circuit design?
>>47782409
>Give me an ugly black box that I can put in a rack and maintain easily
this
i want raw engineering, not a sanitized pretty box.
I dont care if it looked like a huge lead acid car battery, it has 2 jobs
>power the home
>sit in the garage/attic/utilityroom and never be moved/looked at/thought of again.
>>47782650
Latest panasonic 18650 generation is ~3400mah. Next generation (using cobalt) is reportedly ~4000mah.
>>47782646
>stove is gas powered
>its hot as shit, but I have tons of trees providing nice shade
>I have plenty of appliances
>water is heated by gas
>I do use a broom, most of my house is wood flooring
>I do my laundry at a public laundromat near my house that has a Marvel vs Capcom machine
so mad
>>47782663
No, but I am and the people who will maintain this will be. This design makes maintenance difficult, no matter who is doing it.
I also bet this design is more expensive than a plain black box, which makes no sense for something in a garage.
>>47782556
>you are prohibited from manipulating electrons and then storing said electrons
>the government owns sub atomic particles.
wut.
>>47782687
>uses gas
>berates other for using electricity
enjoy your earthquakes
>>47782687
>laundromat
kek
poorfag detected
of course a loser like you wouldn't like apple or tesla
>>47782678
but they still have a somewhat short lifecycle (in my opinion) of only a couple of years do they not?
>>47782620
>power bill of $10
>in florida
>during our 8 months of rape you in the face summer
ROFL good luck with that faggot.
It's literally nothing.
Lead Acid setups providing similar capacities have been available for years at similar prices. They just don't look as pretty.
>>47782705
No. Using current Lithium tech (LiPo) you'll get ~75% reduction in capacity after about 5 years and then it should maintain that level.
The difference is that the charging tolerances on these will be closely monitored. If you keep them between 3.7V and 4.1V you get a much lower degradation in performance versus say, a laptop battery that will drain to 3.5V and is charged to 4.2V (per cell) so the manufacturers can claim an additional hour or two of battery life.
>>47782718
>living in America's asshole
jk, love you man. good luck. I live in San Fernando Valley, it gets hot as fuck most of the year too.
>>47782702
I do.
>>47782704
Fuck yeah I'm poor. About 19k a year, but I get by.
>>47782756
>75% reduction
>no
haha oh wow
>>47782687
>laundromat
the average break even point for a $1300 W/D combo is about 600 loads.
if you figure 6 loads a week (washing a single sock fyi is considered a load), you recoup your money in about 2.5 years (based on the average cost of $1.50 per load at the laundromat)
>>47782660
k e k
>>47782813
What is lack of initial funding
>>47782807
>no
>haha oh wow
Wow, what a reply. 1/10. You're sure changing everyone's opinion up in here. What a great contributor.
>>47782572
>doesn't understand how electric bills work
Go back to /hpg/ or whatever kid
>>47782409
Something tells me that a career in branding is not for you
>>47782813
>2.5 years
>just enough time for one or the other to break and have to buy new ones
Face it, buying your own is a waste of money.
>Buying an inefficient as fuck battery to power the home
>not just buying a diesel generator and being done with it.
>>47782849
how can I if one encounters such a zealot such as you who thinks that 75% is nothing.
>>47782813
And? Poor people can't just drop $1300 on ANYTHING, no matter how good an investment it is.
Why do you think people get payday loans when they're so exploitative? It's not because they're stupid. It's because they don't have enough to get to the next payday. You can't make investments when you're poor, so poverty leads to poverty.
>>47782869
>life span of a W/D is 2.5 years
where the fuck are you getting your appliances?
>>47782873
should've said 25% reduction, 75% of original capacity
>>47782887
>Poor people can't just drop $1300 on ANYTHING
>what are payment plans
>>47782867
I would fail miserably in marketing. However, that doesn't change the fact that this design is inferior to a plain black cabinet even if it is prettier and will sell better.
>>47782571
>free energy for a lifetime is not financially sound because you have to make an initial payment
The sad thing is that if this works, electricity companies will shit their pants and start rolling out this kind of argument
>>47782672
But it can do those just fine, regardless of what it looks like.
>>47782900
Well that would change it a bit, a 25% reduction would be still reasonable. But your demeanor has put me off your word, is there an actual source on this?
>>47782870
This device is primarily to go with solar panels. A diesel generator requires buying fuel and produces pollution, so it is not in any way a replacement for solar panels.
>>47782409
Nigger spotted
>>47782923
>free energy for a lifetime
That's an overstatement. What if energy requirements increase because of new technology? What if your devices break or wear out? What if you move?
>>47782719
Yes but the difference is that people will actually BUY this, meaning it'll affect change towards free renewable energy.
Why do STEMfags not understand how branding works when they whine about everyone have macbooks all day?
>>47782928
But it does them worse than existing solutions because it's more difficult to maintain, needlessly expensive because of the design, and has worse mounting.
Are they literally claiming to have invented the large-scale industrial battery?
Like the kind that is used in every telecom central ever?
>>47782981
We're not saying this will not sell. We're saying it SHOULD not sell.
>>47782660
Tesla giving away the patents for this
>>47782542
Your parents' house doesn't count as its own country : ^)
>>47782995
Who said they are? Are you literally retarded ?
Also Tesla's shit will be cheaper
>>47782916
Whether or not it's the best out there isn't the point, the point is that this kind of tech is only worthwhile if people actually buy it. Making a shitty looking box that looks difficult to use is not a good way to do that. Making a cool branded box with different colours from a cool company, however , is an excellent way of doing it, meaning people might actually change to renewable energy.
You just focus on your coding, anon, leave the branding to us /biz/nessmen
>>47783008
>we're
It's only just you lol
You're a dumb nigger to not buy these when they become cheap in a few years
>>47783024
First, you're on 4chan. You're a neckbeard who wants to be a businessman, not some high-powered executive.
Second, I am not claiming that this will not sell. It probably will. I am saying that it SHOULD not sell. I understand branding perfectly fine, but this looks like a bad product.
>>47782943
i know.
but from a cost perspective, you are paying double the money for half the power.
>>47783008
Literally the only people saying that are /g/
Everyone else is getting hype. It's almost like there's a bigger picture here or something.
>>47782890
Same place you are. Having anything with that many moving parts last longer than a couple of years is just luck.
>>47783017
>>47783026
>just you
No.
>>47782995
>>47782719
>>47782672
>>47782595
all agree with me.
>>47783053
>still using an old as fuck kenmore W/D thats 35 years old.
>grandparents bought it
>given to parents
>now i have it
the only money i have ever needed to put into them was a new heating element for the dryer
>$35
>an hour of my time
>>47783073
But they're retards that aren't making sny substantive counter points. Likely unemployed too
The bottom line is you'll save a lot of money on your electric bill by buying these. You'd be a high functioning retard to think it's a dumb idea, when they become cheaper to buy in a few years
>>47783052
And the bigger picture is that anyone who buys this is buying a bad product because it looks pretty.
I am not claiming branding is useless. A well-branded but inferior product may very well be beneficial. I am saying that I would never buy this and that it is inferior to existing offerings, both of which are true.
>>47783128
Except the product is excellent you fucking idiot.it's cheaper than competitors
>>47783107
Unless you have a solar/wind/whatever the fuck trickle charging this thing it's a gross waste of money. 5 kwh used from a battery that needs to be replaced with power company electricity is no different than 5 kwh used straight from the power lines.
>>47783053
are you high?
or just being shit-tier bait?
any Washer or Dryer that lasts just 2 years would never be purchased.
also, most appliances come with 3 year warranties if you use a company CC to buy them.
also most warranties are 2-3 years parts and labor.
go troll somewhere else.
also
>no proof that these appliances only last 2.5 years
>>47782813
>Paying $1300 for a w/d
nigger, I bought a used whirlpool set for $150 7 years ago, and aside from replacing the heating element on the drier, and a timer spring on the washer ($15 and $8, respectively) they still wash and dry perfectly fine, even with my work clothes being covered in MnO2, half the time. (I work on machines at Duracell)
>>47782620
Do you own a refrigerator?
>>47783107
>Likely unemployed too
It's obnoxious to just name logical fallacies, but...
ad hominem
>The bottom line is you'll save a lot of money on your electric bill by buying these.
1. Probably not enough to justify the 3.5k purchase price. I pay about $1200 a year for electricity. If this thing completely eliminated my electric bill, it would pay off in three years. In reality, I have no solar panels and it will probably pay itself off in 10+ years.
2. You would save more buy buying an existing option that is cheaper and better. The only advantage this has is prettiness.
>when they become cheaper to buy in a few years
Then buy one in a few years. They're useless right now for anyone without solar panels.
>>47783164
It's 10kwh. That for $800 or whatever in a few years is a steal especially when they can beef it up from 10kwh to whatever it'd be later on
when this becomes cheaper (soon), it'd be illogical not to own one even if you're on the grid, to save money during peak hours
Now suck my dick
>>47783190
Czech, and >wot, m8?
>>47782760
ayy SFV here too. Yesterday was hot as balls
>>47783197
>3.5k
Which is why I said in a few years, whwn they're mass produced
This is /g/, a place to discuss operating systems and shitty rices not actual technology SHIT LORD
nah that looks sweet and probably is worth it.
>>47783188
nigger, he was using new prices as a way to figure the maximum ROI.
>there is nothing wrong with buying used appliances btw.
also, wtf is with the heating element always going out within 2 year on used dryers?
its like that shit is rigged to go at that exact time.
>2 used dryers, both heating elements shit after 2 years
its only a $20 replacement, but its still annoying.
>>47783157
It may be cheaper, though I doubt it. We have yet to see any detailed technical information.
What I do know is that it has a VASTLY inferior design.
>>47783201
It doesn't matter when the 10 kwh needs to be replenished from the power company. It's literally just playing middle man for $800 instead of the day one price of $3500.
Still a fucking waste. Swallow nigger.
>>47783197
>You would save more buy buying an existing option that is cheaper and better. The only advantage this has is prettiness.
this.
i get billed the same rate for electricity regardless if the city is in critical, we have no more power to spare mode or no one is using electricity mode.
a tiered rate plan is available, but for a single guy living alone in a 1300 sqft house, the savings would be negligible.
>i set the AC to 80 when i leave
>my water heater is on a timer so im not heating water for the 20 hours out of the day im not using it
>my dish washer and washing machine have built in heating elements and dont require the hot water tank.
>>47783229
It essentially an outdated resistor. Too hot, and POP! It blows.
Too much dust accumulated in the back of the drier can cause it, which probably explains the 2 year timeframe
i think the design is weird too, its a home appliance like a water heater or a furnace. It won't be looked at except for maintenance, why bother making it pretty, its a battery.
After some poking around, it looks like the final product looks like it should. OPs pic must be some prototype built for hype.
>his electricity isn't provided by a state owned monopoly at bargain basement prices
"but margret fig sit"
>>47783285
You have a source on that?
If so, objection retracted. The design is fine. Now we'll just have to see the specs.
>>47782869
>>47783053
My washing machine lasted about 12 years without so much as a hiccup.
>>47782633
Parts of Alaska are pretty remote. I would use something like this with a solar array and a small wind turbine for a hunting shack in eastern Oregon.
>>47783243
I've been saying when they become cheaper in a few years double nigger
>>47783053
>washer and dryer
>so many moving parts
>motor
>drum
>belt (older models)
>>47782409
>>47782672
pic related faggot, the 'big' ones are just rackmount batteries.
>>47782294
Wouldn't graphene supercapacitors make more sense for this? It'd be less dense, but for a huge thing that's installed in your house that sounds fine, plus it'd get so many more charge/discharge cycles and thus last a lot longer before having to buy a new one.
Plus, if I'm putting in something like this I figure I'd also want something to separate my home electrically, like a tiny flywheel. Not for storage obviously since I'd already be getting that, just as surge protection.
>>47783505
You cannot possibly make graphene superconductors on a large enough scale to be competitive. You COULD do it, but it would be stupidly expensive and inefficient.
>>47783345
Just googled "tesla home battery"
The pics like this one
>>47783285
are coming from about a year ago, there are many pics just like that. there are also several pics of systems that look like OP's pic and some like this one coming out more recently.
I'm guessing the home batteries they made for SolarCity look like regular home battery systems, maybe these new Tesla brand Tesla batteries have the new apple treatment
there are very few places and situations where a reasonably sized solar array would allow you to not need any city power
They were marketing it at people without solar cells
The idea they threw out was to charge your battery at night when the power is cheaper, and use that power during the day while the power company is charging their peak-hours rate
Remember that one idea from someone else where it's planned to cover the roads with solar panels instead of tar?
>>47782626
Says the fucking retard with a liberal arts degree.
Keep chasing that job in human resources Chad.
>>47783768
oh god dont bring that up again
>>47783856
it had such an enthusiastic campaign but it really just fell off completely
>>47783197
>They're useless right now for anyone without solar panels.
>citation needed
>>47783921
I don't get why everyone hated it so much.
When I first saw it I thought it was cool.
>>47784075
I never understood why they wouldn't just put the solar panels over the road (on a trellis) so they aren't subject to the wear and tear of the road, can be easily maintenanced without stopping traffic and would keep water off the road for safer driving especially in winter.
>>47783652
this.
even in Florida, most solar panels would get about 5.5 hours of peak solid solar power.
Even then that is only under the most optimal of conditions. Most houses here that arent in a new development are surrounded by massive oak trees that block a good portion of sunlight.
>this is on purpose to shade the house
>>47782294
>How long will it take for us to get our money back, by dumping $3500 for one if these?
If you dump 3000 on one of those and 3000 more on solar panels you should be able to make it back (6000$) within 2 years.
>>47784128
i've always wondered why the power company just doesnt place solar panels atop every power pole.
would drastically reduce fuel consumption (which they arent allowed to profit from fuel costs).
or even just mount small 1kw wind turbines on those 60ft metal poles.
>>47784293
could you show your work please explaining how you came to this conclusion?
>>47784297
Probably because it would cost more to set up and maintenance than if they just had a few big wind turbines in a set location.
>>47782294
Has nobody here already heard of this?:
>Free energy has been released to the people. You can choose to be skeptical if you wish, but in time (perhaps just a few short months) the reality of what is happening will become more and more apparent.
Open sourcing the plans for the QEG was a turning point for all of us. Now that the cat’s out of the bag, we would like to take this opportunity to fully disclose to The People the full background story behind the last 6 months. We could not speak about much of this before we open sourced as we had to protect our family, our energy, and maintain the integrity of what we were trying to do.
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/if-you-build-it-and-give-it-away-they-will-come-qeg-full-disclosure/
>>47784331
You're retarded
>>47782661
>take of wall
>set on floor
kindergarten didn't go too well for you huh?
>>47784331
because its the same scam as the water powered generator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqSuTOKUEg&app=desktop
>>47782678
>18650
wait so can I use this tesla battery in my vape?
>>47784331
>The company that sells the cores for this says that they are excited for the demand
Gee, I wonder who can be behind this post
>>47784350
why is he retarded? because it isn't mass produced and sold for $3000 with an apple logo punched on it?
>>47784384
how is it a scam if they don't sell their technology, and even provide the manual.pdf to buy your own parts and assemble it?
How much do you consumer fags get paid to shill?
>>47784331
Shut the fuck up shill. Go shove your quantum whatever up your bum.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI
>>47784412
Probably, although you'd need a re programmable charger or a new charger altogether. Also, I think that the entire production supply is contracted to Tesla, so we'll be stuck with current gen batteries for the forseeable future (which are difficult enough to come by as it is)
>>47784429
>Buy parts
>Including the special sauce black box
>By a dependable independent company :^)
>>47784331
>you can produce 10kw with only an input of 1kw
nigga do you even physics?
>>47784384
Isn't Audi making diesel from essentially water and CO2?
It's still very small scale though
>>47784493
yeah and it takes a boatload of power, since it's steam-based
>>47784493
>>47784505
http://www.carthrottle.com/post/this-company-teamed-up-with-audi-to-make-diesel-from-water-and-co2/
>>47784307
Butthurt GE employee detected
>>47784331
Just for shits and giggles, here's the PDF without the retard mode spam signup link.
https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/qeg-build-manual-25-mar-15.pdf
>>47784331
>>47784429
>samefagging this hard
>why is he retarded?
Because you believes in a device that breaks the laws of physics and has been claimed to be created hundreds of times in the past, and provides no proof whatsoever of it working.
Hell, they even claimed it would revolutionize everything within a few months, and that was over a year ago.
>how is it a scam if they don't sell their technology
They do
>>47782923
>buying into muh pipedream
>FREE ENERGY 4 LIFE OFF DA GRIDDD
This isn't what the device is.
The device will only be adopted by the people I said.
Eventually it may get to your magic free energy land.
>>47782969
shhhh elon musk new steve jobs. Everything he does is rockstar magic
>>47784597
>https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/qeg-build-manual-25-mar-15.pdf
Round Wire, Type HTAIHSD
REA Pulse Shield® Inverter
Duty (critical part!)
Wtf is this shit.
>>47784493
It was done during WWII.
It's really shitty and not sustainable/efficent.
plz don't fall for marketing hype
>>47784666
#12 and #20 gauge magnet wire. Basic stuff.
But they want you to use their secret sauce version...
>>47784705
>plz don't fall for marketing hype
I don't.
>It was done during WWII.
I know the Nazis made a lot of synthetic fuel because that's basically all they had left by the end.
>>47784720
>>47784489
what does physics have to do with electric current?
>>47782364
>implying we only need oil for much cars and much houses
Anybody who doesn't buy this whwn it becomes mass produced should be lined up and shot
>>47784724
>that's basically all they had left by the end.
Don't shill. The Nazi party had been making synthetic fuel from the beginning.
>>47782916
>this design is inferior to a plain black cabinet
How?
Because YOU don't like it?
You aren't asking for something to less pretty, you are very specifically asking for it to be what YOU consider pretty.
Guess what you broke fuck - you aren't the target market, people with more than $12 to their name are.
>/g/ spergs out because the battery isn't ugly enough
Top kek
what I wonder is if this can already be configured to add power back into the grid at peak hours?
or if you can only have it put power back into the grid if you have a solar setup running as well.
I could see new neighborhoods all having this in their houses to keep a whole area still powered when the main lines go down, already in my area new housing automatically comes with solar installed.
>>47785577
The problem is that power companies never pay more for the electricity than the selling rate, even if you consume at off-peak and provide at peak. At least as it stands now.
>>47782294
>They say if you have solar panels, then you could go completely off the grid, with solar panels +their battery.
My family did this in Africa. 12 solar panels and something like 18 car batteries, pipe it through a DC-to-AC inverter and you've got power in your house in the middle of nowhere.
Tesla's battery is nothing new. There is no new technology in it, the niche that it fills isn't new. The new thing is that it's a pretty packaged product with a big name brand slapped on it.
I like what Tesla stands for, but this battery is the Mac of the battery world.
>>47785718
>but this battery is the Mac of the battery world
Sadly for however much I dislike Apple they certainly pushed other companies to make better products
Competition is a good thing, and when you dumb things down for customers and package it all into a nice looking package it's even better because it'll sell more
When was the last time that there was a good progress in battery technology?
The change of Li-ion to Pol-Li?
>>47785763
I just wish there were more core technological breakthroughs instead of packaging breakthroughs.
>>47785577
>what I wonder is if this can already be configured to add power back into the grid at peak hours?
That will end up costing the user more money, why would anyone want this?
>I could see new neighborhoods all having this in their houses to keep a whole area still powered when the main lines go down
This won't ever happen, lines MUST be de-energised to prevent technician injury during an outage.
>>47785763
>Apple they certainly pushed other companies to make better products
You're saying this in a world full of chiclet keyboards, 1366x768 monitors and laptops with no ethernet ports.
I say otherwise: Apple has pushed the industry to make worse products.
>>47785784
NiHM to Li-ion
LiPo is less dense than regular Li-ion - but it's safer (to a point, it's less likely to fail catastrophically - but when it does fail, it's more violent) and generally more long lived (~10-20years vs. 2-3)
>>47782364
Great bro now we will fight wars for hydrogen and coal and shit ton of other resources. Tesla cannot cure greed dumbass
>>47785886
>1366x768 monitors
How is that Apple's fault?
They've only ever had one product with that resolution and it's recent - not fucking 10 years ago.
Microsoft is solely to blame for 1366x768, they've been pushing it since before Vista.
>>47785939
>Tesla cannot cure greed dumbass
Maybe, Maybe not - we'll see on Mars.
>>47783385
And who says they will?
We've been working on batteries for years, they're still pretty expensive.
>>47783018
Why do you think tesla has the ability to make them cheaper?
>>47782760
We prefer americas cock.
>>47783705
Another flaw with this.
If it becomes an investment that everyone has, then the power companies just flip their rates.
>>47785973
yes because going to mars will solve all are problems.When we literally shit on our first home with pollution and leeched off its resources and killed its forest and animals,but let us not forget humanities internal strife of greed,poverty,hunger, and envy.If you cannot solves these issues then humanity is just a disease that will spread to mars and fuck it up
>>47784316
This.
Solar panels are great for small things that are way off the grid, but are extremely costly, and bad for the environment to make/dispose off.
They are horribly inefficient.
Just remember to get a fucking contract where you pay the hourly electricity spot price.
I bet some hipsters will take a fixed rate contract and think they're saving shit.
>>47784777
Why?
Because they don't want to waste money?
Even if you save money from peak rates (not likely), if doesn't change that the battery is inefficient.
>>47785577
What a waste of resources, putting those panels in.
Solar panels are not energy efficient.
>>47786108
I think you're trying to imply that Mars will be just be an extension of Earth.
This is wrong.
Mars will be independent of Earth and in all likelyhood, will end up an enemy to Earth.
>Trash won't be going there anyway.
Earth can rot.
>>47782294
>How long will it take for us to get our money back, by dumping $3500 for one if these?
The better question is how long will it take for the battery to go to shit and require a new one.
>>47786132
>Having a smart meter.
Good goyim.
>>47786188
10 years minimum, as they are warranted for such.
>So probably around 10.5 years...
>>47782687
>stove is gas powered
>therefore it's not included in any bills
>water is heated by gas
>therefore it's not included in any bills
>I do my laundry at a public laundromat near my house that has a Marvel vs Capcom machine
>therefore it's not included in any bills
My landlord pays the electricity bill, I just pay rent. I guess that means I don't pay for electricity for some fucked up reason.
>>47782294
>holds 7-10kWh
Nigger 1kWh is like $0.11 where I live.
That's $1.10 of stored electricity, at best.
>>47783197
> I'm an idiot, and long-term investments don't make sense to me.
>>47785939
>Great bro now we will fight wars for hydrogen
>Hydrolysis
>Hydrogen from water
>95,000 miles of US shoreline
>foreign wars for hydrogen
What about those Air wars, Anon?
>>47783285
>>47783345
Has no one considered that maybe the shiny bit is just a front panel?
It's like looking at the hood of a car and going "0/10, impossible to work on, shit design."
>>47783013
Tesla gives away everything and they spend all their money on rockets, Musk is crazy
>>47786181
keep being delusional fag.As long as there is contact from earth you will be corrupted ,there is no way to colonize that planet without earth
>>47783207
>>47782760
#818 represent
didn't know there were so many mexicans on /g/
i don't think we have enough lithium
>>47786052
because elon musk is a visionary who came up with a way to make the batteries more effecient, smaller, and cheaper to produce obv
I always thought Tesla would become a battery company. I am fascinated by Musk and the enormous amount of people who believe in him. I predict Tesla will be out of the car business in five years or less. If you are a journalist, who is enamored with Musk , then this was the best tech speech ever. There was a lot of information missing, but dreamers don't want to hear about the nuts and bolts of getting to a point where the U.S. could run on sustainable energy. The devil is always in the details and there were very few given. Musk has a reputation of over promising and under delivering and not having the resources to pull off his visions. This announcement will trigger an influx of investment cash from people who believe in him and his ideas. In reality, this was a carnival side show with as many shills in the audience as there was agnostics. People want to believe in Musk , but he doesn't have the skills or political know how to navigate in the business world and change a way of doing business. He thinks if he opens up the technology , as he did with the auto, the business world will hook on to his technology. Unfortunately auto companies, and companies who are devourers of energy , will fight to maintain their way of business . The dynamics to change those industries is the biggest challenge and the elephant in the room that Musk didn't address. That being said, something has to change and I'm hoping sustainable energy will make a bigger impact on the world and the environment. If Musk can actually do what he says, even on a small scale, then I will consider investing in any tangible results. Get ready for several future announcements where Musk will use the word "oops".
