Previously on: >>52581623
Intended for users of all levels, including absolute beginners.
There are four ways to try Linux, you can:
1) Install a Linux OS on a VM (Virtual Machine/VirtualBox) for "safety purposes"
2) Use the Live ISO directly without installing anything, that way, you can get a "full Linux experience".
3) Dual-boot Linux with Windows/Mac (recommended if you want to learn more about Linux)
4) Go balls deep and overwrite everything with Linux (not recommended)
Before asking, please find the answers to your questions in resources.
Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly Linux Thread.
Understand that much of your software from Windows will be unavailable, although maybe wine can make up for it.
Resources:
man <insert command here>
your friendly neighborhood search engine
https://www.codecademy.com/en/courses/learn-the-command-line
https://wiki.archlinux.org/
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/
What is Linux (or GNU/Linux for Stallmanists)?
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux
Babby's First Linux (What distro to choose?)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux
What software does /g/ recommend? (Please DON'T include the so called infographic [it's reddit-tier] -- refer all your recommended software here.)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/List_of_recommended_GNU/Linux_software
Ricing on Linux (Make it good and functional or make it worse/puke-inducing like those at desktop threads)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux_ricing
A script designed to ease the transition from Windows to Debian
https://gitgud.io/Chocolate-Chip-Computing/DebianNewbieScript
Check out this page for any updates on the OP
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php//flt/
IRC No one uses:
irc://irc.freenode.org:+7000/FriendlyLinux
>>52590383
>>52590398
install gentoo
>>52590425
This monitor is supposed to run at 1024x768 and 60Hz. It is not. I can not change it. This little bouncing box is annoying.
>>52590434
Here the real guide.
>>52590408
while "world" is often used, you should use "other" there, since that's what the commands use
like "chmod o+x" meaning "other set execute", or enable execute for other
perhaps add a footnote/postscript that says that other is also known as world, as in the phrase "world writable"
>>52590477
Good idea, thx!
>>52590461
Is this legit?
Anyone got a real Gentoo by following this guide?
Is it up to date?
Does it kill the Gentoo is hard meme?
Anyone in here who can tell me what is the BEST linux? Please no bully.
>>52590458
output of xrandr?
>>52590624
>>52590651
are you in a VM?
>>52590683
Nope.
>>52590689glxinfo | grep string\:
?
>>52590698
anyone know how i can display what song is playing through spotify with i3blocks?
>>52590716
what graphics card?lspci | grep VGA
>>52590745
>>52590770
is that an old server box?
>>52590798
Yeah, Supermicro PDSMI+ and a Pentium D. Gonna throw a Q6600 in it soon.
>>52590818
if you tried to install the amd proprietary driver, uninstall it, that card is too old for it
then make sure xserver-xorg-video-ati is installed, the free driver still supports that card
then reboot (technically not required, but less instructions to follow)
>>52590740
N E 1?
>>52590857
>>52590818
fyi it's an RV100 chip, basically an ATi Radeon 7000
>>52590905
(not to be confused with HD7000)
>>52590857
No more bouncing box, thanks m8.
>>52590978
you're welcome
Moving onto a new NAS Server. Coming from ZFS and kinda lost.
I don't understand this LVM vs RAID thing. Is there a way to install RAID before LVM? Some people seem to be doing it and getting flamed for it.
Also, any major difference in what to expect would be nice. Apparently I need to scrub more often.
you put LVM ontop of MDADM if that's what you're asking
you can use ZFS on linux as well, if you'd prefer
LVM isn't required for RAID
mdadm = linux software raid
lvm = logical volume manager (unrelated/independant of raid)
zfs = covers both functionalities (datasets work like lvm logical volumes)
>>52591116
well that makes a fuck of a lot more sense. Everything I have been reading has been a cluster of shit arguments and partial information.
Appreciate it thanks.
Any non tiling keyboard driven DE? Long story short apparently MATLAB can have issues on i3, so want something alongside it that doesnt make me want to kill myself
>>52591230
pretty much every DE has keyboard shortcuts. try xfce
>>52591175
mm, all of those projects have a lot of functionality, and in the case of mdadm and lvm, can be used together in several different ways
you can technically raid with lvm, but it's only spanned volumes (not redundant, so it's very technically a jbod)
you can think of lvm as like a "filesystem of partitions" (again, think datasets, just not exactly the same)
if you don't need lvm, you can forego it and just use the single device mdadm creates to put regular partitions on, or format it directly (mdadm makes an /dev/md? device as the raid, which you use the same as you would /dev/sd?)
>>52591074
>Apparently I need to scrub more often.
didn't respond to this, yea, you should
ZFS verifies checksums on reads, which means things you read often are scrubbed often naturally
mdadm doesn't do this, only a manually-invoked scrub can check for inconsistencies (and obviously, you need a raid level with parity to fix any errors along the way, like raid5/6)
usual practice is to use a cron job or similar to peridically trigger a scrub operation
>>52590560
>>52590560
just read the gentoo handbook from the actual gentoo wiki, its no harder than installing arch, it takes a while to get used to maintaining gentoo compared to arch tho imo
> all systemctl commands returnfailed to get bus connection
Why is this?
Why is Nvidia such a piece of shit. So I installed Arch on my main PC finally, using it happily on my laptop.
Anyway here's the situation. Before installing nvidia drivers, all 3 monitors are working - mirrored - in the TTY before I login which is set to kick off X. After installing the nvidia drivers all the monitors went dead after booting. Great. Anyway, after some research I figured out I had to edit grub with 'nomodeset' inside GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT. So I do that and reboot and tada, now a single monitor is working in the TTY. Well I guess I can live with that, it's really annoying because it's my worst and smallest monitor and I generally have it turned off so if someone knows how to fix this please tell me.
Finally I boot into i3 -and fix positioning etc with xrandr- where I encounter a small but irritating problem. It seems my monitors identify incorrectly, while I would call them monitors 1 2 and 3, they call themselves 3 2 and 1. This fucks up the start workspaces putting 3 on monitor #1 etc. Now again, I CAN work around this, reorder my config to suit etc. But this is kind of dumb and annoying and there MUST be a way to simply tell the system which monitor is which. Possibly connected to the original issue where monitors 1 and 2 -or 3 and 2 according to linux- don't work in the TTY.
Send help senpai.
>>52590434
So what does this actually do to your computer?
Glad to see a spin on the old system32 meme.
>>52591852
It's basically sudo rm -rf / in DOS.
>>52591852
>>52592040
>>52592057
>Embrace system32
MY SIDES
>>52592057
Can someone point me to where I can find an archive of this tumblr post. Wayback machine doesn't have it.
Assuming my wine environment got compromised by a windows virus.
How do I clean it up?
>>52592131
ClamAV might work
>>52592147
Won't deleting the Wine environment solve it?
>>52592174
>>52592131
WINE can't get viruses. It works differently from your regular MS system.
>>52592174
I am assuming you want to preserve the environment
>>52590425
>Has had the best wiki in the business
>Server crashes
>Autists kept no backups
Give me one good reason to trust those incompetent devs
What exactly do you give up by going with an ultra minimal distro like Tiny Core? Will normal software even run on it?
>>52590595
Linux-libre
>>52592182
Yes it can.
>>52592192
If possible, yes.
I was thinking of deleting .wine folder will it do?
And if using PlayOnLinux makes a difference.
>>52592182
https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ
>Just because Wine runs on a non-Windows OS doesn't mean you're protected from viruses, trojans, and other forms of malware.
>>52591850
Anyone? Surely this isn't too rare of an issue.
So I spent days trying to get Debian to Samba share a NTFS external drive over my network to Win7/Android clients. I tried everything every which way: I edited fstab to get the drive mounted so permissions could be edited, I had nobody own the drive, I have the smb.conf edited to anonymously share the drive--nothing worked. The closest I could get was the share folder could be seen but never accessed: either credentials were asked for or Windows said it couldn't find the network location.
While googling the umpteenth different facet of the problem on the third day, I saw an offhanded reference to caja-share (my Debian install has MATE and Caja). I read what little there is on it, saw it's supposed to Samba share folders Windows-style (right-click, Share, boom, done), apt-get install, ... it just werks.
>mindblown.gif
The only trouble is, I haven't learned what sorcery it used to make what I'd been flailing around with work. It didn't add anything to smb.conf anywhere that I can see. As much as I appreciate it making the share work, I'd like to know how so I could at least (incorrectly) justify wasting another 3 days with loonix doing what takes moments in Windows. Any ideas where to look?
>>52592325
It's the samba.conf.
I'm on manjaro, tried to make the share work for a week, but nothing worked.
Finally I installed thunare-share-plugin, and copied the samba.conf for it.
Everything worked beautifully.
>>52592231
Well, this is directed to WINE's virtual C:\ directory and programs running in WINE. A virus, made to delete shit, or a worm, made to copy itself etc wount be able to do anything outside of C:\.
hello, I'm trying to fix a pkgbuild and this SED command is broken with a 'unknown option to s'
I've checked the man but I can't get my head around what's wrong here, my googling is consistently telling me something about slashes and quotes but I can't figure this out
send helpSCRIPT=$(echo "s=SHLIBDIR = /usr/X11R6/lib=SHLIBDIR = ${startdir}/pkg/usr/X11R6/lib=;s=LIBDIR = /usr/X11R6/lib/X11=LIBDIR = ${startdir}/pkg/usr/X11R6/lib/X11=;s=XTOP = $(TOP)=XTOP = /usr/X11R6=;s=ETCX11DIR = /etc/X11=ETCX11DIR = ${startdir}/pkg/etc/X11=;s=BINDIR = /usr/X11R6/bin=BINDIR = ${startdir}/pkg/usr/X11R6/bin=;s=$${RELPATH}=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11=")
sed -e "$SCRIPT" < Makefile > Makefile.tmp
>>52592365
There is also the SMALL possibility that the virus could affect Linux as well.
Refer to my link in the post you quoted
>Wine does not sandbox in any way at all. When run under Wine, a Windows app can do anything your user can. Wine does not (and cannot) stop a Windows app directly making native syscalls, messing with your files, altering your startup scripts, or doing other nasty things.
>>52592392
Ok you're right here, but to be honest, who writes linux malware and cross compiles it as windows binary...
>>52592365
So having PoL is better than having WINE only since you have a separate wineprefix for each application, and simply deleting it will remove the malware.
>>52592417
That's why SMALL is in all caps. The possibility is there. It's not a big one by any means, but it's there.
>>52592417
A really bored autist.
>>52592424
- Protect WINE with Common Sense 2016.
- Run unknown Windows shit in a sandbox.
>>52592449
What's a good and simple sandbox for Lunix?
>>52592359
caja-share doesn't appear to edit smb.conf. Trying to find more information on caja-share is like trying to get the Smoking Man to tell you where the aliens are.
Really, I just want to know how it got this to work. I had to screw with Samba, fstab, chown, iptables, Win7 networking, registry, Group Policy objects, and I simply do not understand how this thing managed to make this work.
Any compton experts around here?
>inb4compton --backend glx --paint-on-overlay --vsync opengl-swc
whoever keeps parroting this should fuck off
so my exact currently flags arecompton -CGb --backend glx --paint-on-overlay --vsync opengl-swc
basically some existing ones I had from who knows when, possibly the crunchbang default or something + the meme flags
current situation:
>I still tearing (is it even possible to not? what the fuck)
>there's no always display lag with video playback whether it's from youtube, vlc, or mpv
The new lag combined with the tearing has lead people who normally watch anime over here to complain. I had already gotten complaints of tearing in the past and tried my best to fix it, but now the lag has made people tell me to just not bother until it's fixed. What do?
>>52592477
--backend glx usually fixes any problems, never had problems here, but two things: is it possible that you're running another compositor next to compton? if graphic card, have you played with it's settings?
>>52592477
>>52592506
okay so I realized I left out important info, mostly that I'm using an nvidia gpu
sounds like vsync in nvidia-settings can conflict with compton vsync and cause more tearing
question for you, my friend, do you actually know what these flags do? should I remove some of the ones I'm using?
>>52592477
Add --config /dev/null.
Maybe you have a compton.conf somewhere that overwrites your cmd settings -
Just an idea.
>>52505453
I created a scripttrackpoint.shin /usr/binecho 120 | sudo tee /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/speed
echo 250 | sudo tee /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/sensitivity
and a servicetrackpoint.servicein /etc/systemd/system[Unit]
Description=Increase trackpoint sensitivity
[Service]
ExecStart=/usr/bin/trackpoint.sh
[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target %
and finally ran the following commands$ sudo chmod 755 /usr/bin/trackpoint.sh
$ sudo systemctl enable trackpoint.service
When I restarted my computer, nothing changed.
>>52592475
But that's the only possible explanation.
>>52592540
it seems I do have a compton.conf inside my .config folder
should I be making edits there instead of to my i3 config where it autostarts?
>>52592532
Have you readcompton -h?
All answers there.
>>52592477
compton --backend glx --paint-on-overlay --vsync opengl-swc -f
never failed me, do you have another one running?
to know what they do just RTFM.
>>52592570
sounds like I shouldn't run compton's vsync if I'm using my gpu's vsync from nvidia-settings
and it also sounds like the gpu's vsync is better to use
>to know what they do just RTFM
well it's not that I can't do that, it's that putting all this stuff together and the results I get never seem to match up
everyone claims these flags are all you need and then my problems literally never go away
>>52592563
My system has two smb.conf (one in /etc and one in /usr) and neither has a share defined. Shiz is black magic.
>>52592598
err, shoulda been >>52592552
alright so I've got sync to vblank and allow flipping turned on in my nvidia-settings
removed the vsync-related flag from my compton startup line and delete all my compton configs
gonna kill compton and see what happens now when I start it
What's the fastest booting linux distro? Like I just hit the power button and BAM there's my desktop.
>>52592688
minimal funtoo without a login manager.
>>52592365
Wine can do anything your user account is allowed to do. It's also not at all bound to its virtual C:\ directory, it gets your root as Z:\ as well.
>>52592424
you can use per-application prefixes without playonlinux
>>52592731
Why on earth can this not be restricted?
Anyone have any experience with CRUX? How is it? Who would you recommend it to?
hey guys. any recommendations in terms of laptop energy saving tools other than Laptop Mode Tools?
>>52592785
just remove this entry
>>52592802
T L P
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>>52592785
Wine may need access to your systems libraries. It's not meant to be an emulator that includes everything.
>>52591469
>its no harder than installing arch
That's true for most of the installation, but not when it comes to compiling a custom kernel, which they give you no instruction on whatsoever.
I tried installing Gentoo a few times and got kernel panics during every attempt, despite being extremely conservative about changing anything from the default configuration.
>>52592835
Why not just leave it default so you could be a literal meme senpai?
>>52592828
thanks :)
>>52592840
Why bother using a distro which is all about customisation if you're not going to make use of it?
>>52592855
The customisation gentoo offers is meme tier anyway though. If your computer is fast enough to compile shit efficiently you won't really benefit from it, and if it's not then you'll spend all day compiling and not get to use your shit.
>>52592642
removing the meme flags fixed my lag issues and there seems to be less tearing now but it's a bit tough to tell
currently just runningcompton -CGbf
Im currently downloading Ubuntu,i have an old shitty laptop.I just want to get to know linux,then i want to go for Kali.
I want to use the laptop for securing the family-tier company and its servers.
Any tips/suggestions?
>>52592946
>I want to use the laptop for securing the family-tier company and its servers.
install hardened gentoo
How is Arch on the Raspberry Pi? Does being ARM-based limit it?
>>52592965
What im gonna do is basically hack the servers/computers/network however i can to see vulnerabilities,then fix it so no one else hacks it.
I think BackTracker/Kali is suitable for this.
Is it not?
>>52592946
kali is for pentesting bruh, not for securing anything.
besides kali is just debian with pentesting applications installed.
stop falling for epic memes.
If you want to secure family-tier company and it's servers just fucking do it, you don't need a pentesting laptop but a fucking online tutorial.
Is your family tier company using windows or loonix?
>>52592995
>Does being ARM-based limit it?
Of course?
>>52592998
for pentesting only kali is the way to go but you should run it from a stick instead of installing it. for getting to know it i would recommend debian since kali is based on it.
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE PERMISSION TO CRACK IT.
>>52592995
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>>52592832
wine isn't an emulator
the windows program is executed on the cpu directly the same as any linux program would, it just also provides extra API's and libraries for the program to use.. the windows ones, since that's what the program depends on to work
it's not an emulator, and it's not a sandbox
if you want to restrict a windows program running with wine in linux, then use the same tools you would use to restrict a linux program
>>52593043
Same shit I said
>>52593026
>MAKE SURE YOU HAVE PERMISSION TO CRACK IT.
:^)
>>52592998
>never used linux in his life
>hack the servers/computers/network however i can to see vulnerabilities,then fix it so no one else hacks it.
You don't really have an idea on how it works do you?
Instead of wasting time just secure the fucking servers already.
It's not like you're going to discover vulnerabilities by yourself.
I'm giving my t60 to my Grandma, she's never used a computer before except for some data entry job (I think).
What distro should i put on it that guarantees that I will never have to do tech support for her?
It has to just werk.
>>52592998
Your whole idea is flawed to begin with. Just because you couldn't hack it doesn't have to mean it's secure at all.
>>52593075
*banto LTS
>>52593096
Anything other than Ubuntu.
>>52593075
xubuntu, make sure you can ssh into it in case of problems, this will save time.
>>52593075
>guarantees that I will never have to do tech support for her?
Anything that comes with tech support so you won't have to do it.
If you are as curious as I, please spam this poll
http://strawpoll.me/6626139
if not, sorry for the bother
>>52593115
Yeah, arch, amirite?
>>52593156
I don't have a true home board since [s4s] went to shit.
>>52591850
Still need help.
>>52593156
I use Alpine Linux and not GNU/Linux. Alpine has no GNU components.
>>52593254
It's up to you whether you want to be counted as a yes, or a no.
I mostly said 'GNU/' to avoid Android. I wasn't going to write a paragraph including obscure outliers for such a simple survey.
>>52593115
And why is that?
I'm willing to bet your grandma doesn't give absolute fuckshit about being le haxxor and using arch
>>52593254
Congratulations on being a special snowflake anon. I hope you enjoy your useless bullshit.
>>52593075
Xubuntu 14.04
>>52593302
Not everyone wants their system infested with GNU cancer
>>52593321
keep telling yourself that
>>52593302
GNU is shit, though. They are cancer and a cult.
Read http://gng.z505.com/cult.htm for details.
>>52593357
>http://gng.z505.com/cult.htm
lol
Hello, /flt/.
The Islamic State would like to pledge allegiance to Free Software Foundation, because of them, we can continue our evil activities.
http://ptpb.pw/cZCs.webm
>>52593156
My homeboard is /tg/ and I use Lubuntu(with Cinnamon) on my desktop ever since I grew tired of windows 7 being shit.
>>52593357
Looks like someone is a little jealous of their success.
>>52593415
Don't open that link.
It uses the ffmpeg vulnerability.
>>52593357
>Free Lawyer Foundation
Kek'd but it's true. Apart from Stallman's speeches FSF does nothing but battles with abuses of GPL license and provides lawyer support for "underdog" companies being sued by patent trolls and such.
I always lel when megacorps like IBM join the "free software" side and go even as far as crosspatenting with the sued party to win the case.
>>52593442
t. people have no idea how ffmpeg works
>>52593415
>http://ptpb.pw/cZCs.webm
>not putting the FSF logo over the mosque symbol in 0:30
>>52593477
That's the logo of FSF Syria.
>>52593464
Retard.
>>52593488
lmao
>>52593456
It really is necessary, companies want to treat the GPL like the other free ones (steal and give nothing back).
>>52593513
No doubt about it.
But I think that FSF went a little bit overboard with GPLv3.
I have to agree with torvalds on that I don't see anything wrong with what TiVo did.
If I have Windows and Debian installed on different partitions of one hard drive, can running chkdsk/defragging on Windows or running fsck on Debian cause any problems for the other system?
>>52593576
nop
Is there a difference between compiling from source, and using yaourt?
Because when using yaourt to download a certain application, I tend to get dependencies issues, while compiling from source work seemingly.
>>52593576
not sure about chdsk, but fsck only touches the partition you tell it to
>>52593576
Not 100% sure, but I've run into an issue after running badblock.
>>52593755
what yaourt does and how AUR works is that it downloads PKGFILE
which is a bash script that is doing the compiling from source for you
its easy to read
look at it, and see what it does differently than you
report to the package maintainers the flaws
>>52593156
>>52593156
sorry I use archilinux, not gnu/linux
>>52594474
you mean arch GNU/Linux?
>>52594507
no I mean Linux
>>52593156
>http://strawpoll.me/6626139
home board is /gif/
We are all really into open source.
This is 90% of our post is shortened down to "source"
>>52594539
technical documentation of pretty much every distro uses GNU/Linux, including arch.
>>52594574
>implying Arch has "technical documentation"
>>52594574
Well, most distro use that "term" to appease that piece of shit Stallman and his ISIS compatriots.
>>52594574
their official page uses Linux
the wiki which any faggot can edit whenever he feels like it uses linux/gnu
which one is the more official statement?
compare with faggy debian and you see arch took the statement by going away from simple and polluting community with some bickering about names
>>52594597
Fedora actually doesn't.
they always refer it to as "linux-based operating system" like it was something different from everything else.
lmao
>>52594367
I see, could the issue be on my side?
It had some conflicting issues with QT5 on my machine.
Anyway, If AUR is just compile from source why is it praised so much?
Also when compiling with yaourt where all the temp files go?
>>52594617
Well, that's good for Fedora, they don't need to appease that piece of shit Stallman.
>>52594624
I know you're just hoping someone gets caught on your shitty bait but both Redhat and Fedoraproject appease piece of shit stallman as much as they can.
Fedora has a strict non-free policy that doesn't allow any proprietary software save for binary firmware.
Same goes for RHEL.
>>52594654
At least they don't use GNU/ prefix.
>>52594618
>Anyway, If AUR is just compile from source why is it praised so much?
because other distros dont have this huge repositories of premade scripts that download source and dependencies and compile and install it for ya
>>52594684
They don't even call it a Linux distribution, that might be the reason
>>52594539
>>52594606
>learn more
I can disable CONFIG_X86_MCE_AMD if I only use intel cpus, right?
How do i get the MPV player in the start applications?
>>52594852
It should be there right after installation
Are you talking about windows?
>>52594839
Use google next time
http://kernel.xc.net/html/linux-2.6.33/x86/X86_MCE_AMD
>>52594964
>mpv on windows
>/flt/
You fucked up in 2 ways with only 1 sentence. Holy shit.
>>52594852
distro and de?
how do i play local .swf files?
i can run /f/'s content and other online flashes just fine, but if i download it and play it locally, firefox won't play it.
>>52594987
OH MY GOD sorry anon for forgetting the number ONE rule of the SECRET CLUB of ours AMIRITE
>DO NOT TALK ABOUT WENDYS
XDXDXDXDXDDDD
Maybe he's fucking lost, I'm just trying to help.
>>52595014
gnash and mpv
>>52594997
Elementary OS.
>>52595069
https://devkeep.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/add-custom-application-to-applications-menu-in-elementary-os/
does this help? i never used elementary.
>>52595069
Why would you want mpv in the list of applications? Double click a video file and it will open with it, or use a terminal 'mpv file/to/open'. There isn't even a gui to open from an icon is there?
>>52595279
There is.
That's why I'm wondering why he doesn't have one already.
I'm fairly sure package maintaner for Lelementary fucked something up
>>52595320
Was that a recent thing? Maybe they have an old version.
>>52595320
kurwa
>>52590210
How do I change the file manager that opens when I click on "Open containing folder" in firefox? It starts nemo and I have to kill it all the time because it fucks up my desktop. I tried changing the inode/directory mime type but that doesn't work.
>>52595351
>>52595373
xdg
why would it fuck up your desktop?
>>52593576
chkdsk killed my efi partition on Debian as soon as I booted up Windows. It was another physical SSD however.
So I read that the distro lifecircle is like
mint/ubuntu > debian/arch > gentoo/funtoo > LFS > butteflies
but! oldfags, where is the sane end?
After distrohopping, what would you say is the best solution? I know, I know, basically all distros are the same, only the packages differs, I also know that "the best distro is the one that suits your needs best" meme, but to be honest - what is the home-coming-distro?
>>52595929
>what is the home-coming-distro?
The one that you just use and never really think about distrohopping again
>>52595929
Windows 2000
So what is Bash used for? I understand it's a scripting language but what's an example of a practical use for it?
>>52595929
Slackware.
>>52595988
automating your computer related life, scheduled updates, backups, whatever you can think of.
>>52595988
get the output from your network monitor and pipe it to your notification daemon. popup when your connection sux
>>52595988
With BASH you're like a superhero, you're like fucking FLASH! You do things in lightspeed while windows users still boot to their desktop, you already made backups, created a playlist of the music files downloaded the last 24 hours, checked your mail, torrents, created a color theme based on your randomly chosen wallpaper and shitpost at 4chins.
I've been copying some stuff using rsync from the plethora of storage and some of the directories come in highlighted in green with ohmyzsh. Anything I should be wary of?
>>52595988
I use this for example all the time to deal with scene releases:for i in *.sfv; do
cksfv -f "$i" || exit 1
done
rm *.sfv
for i in *.rar; do
unrar x "$i"
done
rm *.rar
rm *.r[0-9][0-9]
>>52595988
http://www.commandlinefu.com
http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/
http://github.com/
>>52596058
Never mind, found it.
It means others can write and read the directory.
>>52595929
>I also know that "the best distro is the one that suits your needs best" meme, but to be honest blahblahblahblahblahb
no, that's exactly it.
Use the distro that suits your needs and desires. That's it. There's no hidden, magic OS that's exactly perfect for you. It's not as if every power user says, "Yeah, I'm testing out Gentoo and LFS, but honestly, I just use Omega Linux on my main machinie." "Totally. Every other distro is OK, but Omega Linux...is just perfect. I configured everything so perfectly, and it was easy, too."
But, there is no Omega Linux. Or, to put it another way, any Linux distro can be Omega Linux.
The reason why you distrohop is because you think switching will eventually make you a learned, powerful Linux user. But that's just not true.
Learn the command line. Find a distro with package management system that you like. And you're set.
>>52596058
>>52596096
Now that we're talking about bash, should I ditch zsh altogether? I don't see a need for it anymore aside from some themes looking good and telling me things about git.
>>52596071
Have my poor man's nfo viewer:vnfo ()
{
iconv --from-code 437 --to-code UTF8 "$1" | less
}
>>52596116
what?
no.
zsh can be used exactly like bash is used
Plus, zsh's many features (like, much better tab completion) simply aren't in bash.
if your stuff's bloated or you're not happy, use prezto or something.
>>52596125
I use vim for nfo files:au BufNewFile,BufRead *.ans set filetype=ans
au BufNewFile,BufRead *.nfo set filetype=ans
au FileType ans edit ++enc=cp437
>>52596158
>>52596116
Niggers, learn the terminal, check the BASH manpage. I tried them all, zsh, fish, etc and I came back to bash b/c basic things: Portable scripting, nobody needs autosuggestions b/c you usually know what you are doing, and what has zsh, fish what bash can't?
Let's be honest. People install zsh because zsh has premade PS1's and apple fags are shilling it everywhere.
>also nigga, install oh-my-zsh! your terminal has never felt better!
After I took a look into the plugin list, it was really hard not to vomit allover the place.
Also:
>Buy the OH-MY-ZSH T-SHIRT NOW!
:^)
>>52596233
I use zsh for it's superior vi mode without any premade scripts
>>52596252
Sane person spotted. I also use zsh, but never userd the vi mode. What's better?
>>52596287
Depends on your preference.
I got so used to vi keys while my laptop's cursor key was broken that I don't want anything else any more.
>>52596252
>he runs a incompatible scripting shell
found the special snowflake
do you even POSIX?
>>52590210
The reason I stopped recommending Linux to "normal users" is _because_ of the concept of distributions.
Coupling the updates of single apps with the updates of the whole desktop or framework and libs, is just plain wrong. Having to upgrade the whole distro (including all the other installed apps you dont want to upgrade) just to install a new version of one single app you _want_ to update is a nightmare. Total bullshit. Users. Dont. Want. That. Users dont want one update to trigger another update, or even to trigger the upgrade of the whole desktop.
The blog post by ESR is one prominent example: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3822
He basically wanted to upgrade just one (obscure) app, and the process triggered the automatic removal of Gnome2 and installation of Unity. Just _IMAGINE_ how nightmarish this must look for normal users. You simply dont remove somebodys installed desktop sneakily from under their feet. You simply dont. That feels like the total loss of control over your computer.
I personally had, during the last 10 years, people go from Linux (which I talked them into trying) back to windows, _precisely_ of this reason, of having to upgrade the whole distribution every few months just to be able to get new app versions. They dont have to put up with this insane bullshit on Windows, why should they put up with it on Linux?
This "distribution" bullshit is not what is killing desktop Linux, it is what _already_ killed desktop Linux.
The other reasons why desktop Linux never made it (no games, no preinstallations on hardware) are imho just consequences of the distribution concept and the 6-month planned-obsolescence cycle. Nobody wants to bother with something which will be obsolete half a year down the road. Nobody wants to develop for a target that moves _that_ fast.
If anybody _ever_ really wants to see Linux succeed on the desktop (before the desktop concept itself is gone), he will have to give up on the distribution concept first.
Is there a shell that only works on lunix?
I'm feeling uncomfy about hosting my scripts at github, knowing macfags are able to use them.
>>52596337
Nobody will fucking read this.
>>52596309
Actually, I make an effort to keep my scripts POSIX compatible. I only use extended features for small shit I discard later.
>>52596337
So I need a distro to install on a normie's netbook, to replace some ancient beat-to-hell XP install. Won't get used for much more than web surfing and maybe playing videos, but it is an old, slow machine. Needs to be something in the ballpark of windows interface-wise. I was thinking Debian stable with Xfce. thoughts?
>>52596337
So, you're saying people are retarded? Got it.
>>52596357
Now you're thinking just like apple and microsoft.
My VPS has failed to reboot and is what's in the VNC output, that I can't control.
What do?
>>52596392
Best bet is Lubuntu. The most lightweight distro you can get whilst not treading into the autism spectrum, LXDE is very similar to old-school Windows in many ways, this distro was pretty much made for XP refugees refusing to get rid of their old computers.
>mfw people recommending Canonical's bullshit everywhere
Holy fuck how low has /g/ fallen?
>>52596392
You're right, don't listen to any retard telling you some *buntu shit is actually better.
>>52596549
What would you recommend, Manjaro?
>>52596549
I think most recommendations are not including vanilla ubango with Unity and not everyone desires to be a full-on fucking freetard
>>52596578
>Manjaro
http://archive.is/JeOLo
>>52596432
poke around and see if you still have any partitions, either everything is gone or maybe something has caused the UUID to change? (i thought they weren't supposed to do that)
>>52596575
>Debian
>suitable for normies
>being this needlessly contrarian
>>52596598
How? I can't input anything. Keys don't get recognized in both HTML5 VNC viewer and the nativevncviewer.
>>52596578
That or Debian, or maybe Handy Linux. Anything but a piece of shit from Canonical.
>>52596588
>implying Xubuntu or whatever is better than Ubuntu
Fuck no they're just shitty fucked-up versions of Debian with a different DE. There isn't even a reason for them to exist, all they add to Debian are broken down tools like jockey-gtk.
>>52596609
Debian has everything your bullshit distro has, including a graphical packet manager.
>>52596357
I hope you don't use printers
>>52596598
I guess I can try livebooting some image and fixing it like that.
>>52596337
I agree that you have to find a distribution where you agree with the update structure.
For most people, ubuntu LTS is fine.
The desktop will not receive updates, but you will get security patches and small updates.
You can install a ppa so you can update one application in a special way, if you want to.
If you want everything updated all the time, there is distros for that.
It takes some research to find the right match, and a lot of companies prefer to maintain their own repositories.
>>52592131
Does sandboxie run in wine?
>>52596626
okay, in that case I have no idea - sorry
maybe ask your vps provider why you can't get any key presses through?
>>52596609
>implying it isn't installed like Ubuntu
>implying doesn't have the same tools as Ubuntu
>implying it's not used the same way
What's Ubuntu if not a broken Debian?
>>52596681
It doesn't have the same setup by default.
Which is really all that matters to a normie.
>>52596631
Debian is absolutely terrible for new linux users
>>52596337
your pasta is stale
>>52596681
Suitable Liunux made for normies, with additional amazon spyware so windowsfags can feel at home.
>>52596718
Is it though? I cleaned Ubuntu after using it for two days and moved to Debian.
>>52596753
Are you running proprietary drivers with a newish GPU?
ubuntu-mate is pretty good for old machines.
It is pretty similar to xp and easy to setup.
just spend a few minutes setting it up and walking through how it works so they won't just give up and buy a new computer.
>>52596681
What's Debian if not an autistic Ubuntu?
>>52596709
That's fucking retarded. Anyone can install shit, they don't because you tell them they can't and they believe it. Spoonfeeding won't led anyone anywhere.
>>52596718
No argument.
>>52596733
If Linux is not for normies why would there be a Linux that's "suitable" for them? And why the fuck would it be in anyway more suitable than a Debian with the same DE? Do you think telling people it's for beginners make it a easier distro to use?
>>52596753
It's not, only if you're an idiot unable to think would you believe that.
>>52596777
The thing that ubuntu steals and claims to be their own.
>>52596766
Sadly, yes. Nouveau wasn't doing so hot with the 970. I'm hoping AMD gets their shit together with Polaris so I can finally switch.
>>52596777
>random Boongatu user
This proves how retarded they are.
>>52596766
>trying to find an excuse
Drivers don't change shit, they're not distro dependent. If anything, it's jockey-gtk that breaks drivers.
>>52596789
This, the installer sometimes refers to itself as Debian.
>>52596787
Give it a rest, freetard. This thread is to get new people's feet wet, not indoctrinate them.
>>52596787
A normie will not bother learning how to install shit.
And I won't bother teaching him.
![Sailor_Moon_045.DVD(H264.AAC)[KAA][35EA1443].mkv_snapshot_04.02_[2015.12.14_23.43.31].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7OGUdvH.jpg "Sailor_Moon_045.DVD(H264.AAC)[KAA][35EA1443].mkv_snapshot_04.02_[2015.12.14_23.43.31].jpg")
looking for a distro for a shitty laptop
battery life is useless on windows7, need something really lightweight that will double it
the laptop is only really used to run firefox + word processor
I'm also a linux noob
any suggestions?
from only some basic research I'm looking at crunchbang or x/lubuntu or opensuse
>>52596831
>lists arguments
>hurr durr you're indoctrinating newbies
You're a fucking retard. Keep believing your bullshit even when people prove you wrong.
>>52596841
>they're normies so of course I'm smarter
Sucks to be such a piece of shit.
>>52590560
gentoo is hard to install compared to
Boot up, next ,next ,next ,select stuff, next, done
>>52596879
Who said something about smarter? It's just blind refusal to learn about something - Has nothing to do with how smart someone is.
>>52596879
You haven't had any arguments other than you seem to hate canonical for basing their distro on debian?
>>52596871
Nothing is going to double your battery life, but Lubuntu is probably your best bet.
Anyone know if they're shipping lxqt with it yet?
>>52596906
Typical Debian autist, tries to indoctrinate others into being freetards but then bitch and moan when open source works as intended and a project gets forked.
>>52596949
>Anyone know if they're shipping lxqt with it yet?
They aren't.
>>52596871
Linux is very shit at power management, you are not going to get any more battery life with it.
Just buy an aftermarket battery on ebay.
Also, I doubt you will find any lightweight distro on the market. Just install Kubuntu/Xubuntu, whichever toolkit you prefer, install Openbox/Fluxbox on top, there.
But the system itself won't be faster than Windows. Browsers perform slower, battery is shite, etc. The only thing you get out of this is lower ram usage....
But then Windows 10 can also compress ram.
>>52597000
Not yet but they're still working on it.
>>52597126
This guy is good
>>52597126
This fucking guy.
>>52597128
*pcman still works on it.
who worked years on lxde, literally wrote every piece of it. kek.
>>52597153
> inb4 I was not honest/right
> inb4 "macfag"
> inb4 "microshill"
I used lightweight distros on shit ass laptops, and yes, it's "minimal", but that's fucking it.
Unless you are _really_ bound by ram, like you have 512mb of it, and you want to browse the web, it MIGHT be faster/better.
But that's it.
And it's.... free... ?
>>52597126
>Linux is very shit at power management, you are not going to get any more battery life with it.
That's definitely true. You can improve it a lot if you install TLP, but you won't get as much battery as you would on windows. About 10% less for me.
>Also, I doubt you will find any lightweight distro on the market. Just install Kubuntu/Xubuntu, whichever toolkit you prefer, install Openbox/Fluxbox on top, there.
Or just use Lubuntu, as it ships with Openbox
>But the system itself won't be faster than Windows. Browsers perform slower, battery is shite, etc. The only thing you get out of this is lower ram usage....
>I don't know what's the case for you, but for me my laptop is a lot more responsive and better at multitasking on Ubuntu MATE 15.10 as compared to Windows 7 (Dual-Boot), boot times are a lot quicker on Ubuntu, too.
Also, that same laptop runs really hot with fans constantly blowing at ~4000 RPM after boot, whereas it just idles at 45-47°C after boot without going crazy on the fan on Ubuntu.
Needless to say I only boot up Windows when I really have to nowadays.
