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who does this benefit, actually no. lets take this a step further. who does even 8 gb benefit? no one, you just get it because it's the "standard" or the "consensus"
>>46843291
4 GB fills up for me.
8 GB allows me to freely use my computer
I'm using 16 GB for my VM server.
>>46843303
>filling 4gb
literally how
>>46843327
like your mom
u wot m8
>>46843291
Heavy video/image editing.
/bread
>you mean there's more you can do with a computer than facebook?!
>>46843291
You're on /g/, not facebook. Most of us here will edit a video or two, or run a server, or do some kind of CAD. Lots of reasons to need a lot of memor.
Try to run 3 browsers, each with 10+ opened tabsm, 5+ instances of Excel, Outlook, Lync, a small test MySQL database and a single VM with a Linux test enviroment.
Let me know, how it went with 4GB RAM and how productive you were.
>>46843409
>You're on /g/
8gb desktop pic of taiwanese doodle girls
>>46843347
u w0t m8
>>46843291
>who does this benefit
Chrome
I run background programs like DisplayFusion. Ibalso have steam, spotify, skype and chrome open at all times. Add some other shit to that and you've got over 5gb used. 8gb is nice, i dont understand 16 either for normal use
I have been working with 8GB since '07. When working with virtual machines to any serious extent, 8GB is the bare minimum and has been for some time. In my next build, I plan to invest in at least 32GB. If most consumer boards support it by the time that I get around to it, I'll go for 64GB.
windows can easily use 3gb ram without trying. And I'm the kind of person who doesn't have a gorillion tabs and other instances of pointless programs running at all times. When i had 8gb ram, i'd get windows running out of memory warnings while gaming, though i don't think it was ever actually the case. But if you don't plan on upgrading your computer very often, makes sense to go a bit high and hope it will be good still when everyone's running ddr4 and you're still plebin it up with ddr3
>>46843428
Work or lab computer?
>>46843291
Anything above 4-8GB for ordinary people is retarded
More is necessary only for workstations
I heard unreal devs use 32gb ram as standard. Which would explain why the editor tends to perform poorly on lower end systems.
>>46843355
>>46843347
you run a bunch of background shit not because you need to or because it helps you, but because you want to justify the absurd money you spent on your computer.
>>46843409
>you're on /g/
pretend computer workers the board. whats your point
>>46843327
Someone who actually use his computer.
>>46843428
you need to work more efficiently m8
i do fine with 4GB of RAM.
Right now I have:
Chrome with about 20 tabs
FL Studio
Word
VMWare
all open and my computer is only using 3 gigs of ram
more RAM would be nice, but it's not the 90s any more, the era of needing a new computer every couple of years is over
>>46843479
>'d get windows running out of memory warnings while gaming,
did you turn off your pagefile like a dumbass
Okay, tbh if I browse in Chrome 1GB more is used, but still, Windows memory management is based.
>>46843519
No, I run VMs for compiling shit. And then I often have a game or two running in the foreground (often times I'll leave one on and wait for someone on my friends list to be playing while I'm actually actively playing a different game).
>>46843432
But they're so fucking cute though :3
is 16 required in todays environment
>>46843519
You don't have to work with computers for a living to be interested in tech.
I hear some o' those kiddies with their Minecraft servers might need a little more than 4 geebee of RAM some days.
i went from using 3G ram for a few years to 8G for a couple months, then 24G
fuck it's nice having plenty of memory, can run fucking everything, and always have a good amount used for read cache
I'm usually running a VM or two in the background, I can easily max out 8GB
>>46843352
How heavy is heavy? New pc, debating on 8 v 16 as i like to fuck around with Sony Vegas and other editing tools occasionally.
>>46843611
I'd start off with 8, and if that isn't enough just get another 8
>>46843327
Easily. Firefox is the primary hog along with windows and other shit, but if i get anything else running on top of that, I'll easily hit the limit. Hell, when running Einstein@home, it often has to cut several of the applications from running because my system doesnt have enough physical memory to run it all at once.
Some people use their computers for more than facebook you know.
>>46843443
>hyperthreading
>>46843639
What's that program called?
RAM is the easiest part to upgrade. If what you started with wasn't enough, literally plug some more in and call it a day. This is a non issue.
I actualy noticed a huge increase in fps after upgrading from 4 to 8gb in coh2 on high settings, apparently it uses alot of ram. I didn't buy 'epic gaymen' ram though, just some cheap slow speed shit because the speed doesn't matter for shit for fps
>>46843653
>mismatched kits
it's like you don't want to use their rated spec
>>46843647
What actual benefit does Hyperthreading give, if all I do is gaming and running VMs?
>>46843658
All you'll lose is speed. Capacity will still be upgraded.
>>46843650
its part of Process Explorer. Damn useful program, as its basically task manager on crack.
>>46843500
Yeah, I remember when fuckwits said nothing more than 2GB was needed in 2008. Because a bunch of shart munchers were all running xp like plebs, then when people migrated to 7 they were all like, OOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOH WHAT TYPE OF FAGGOT HAS MORE THAN 4GB #REKT >IMBLYAN. Then we had the fraudulent "ram shortage" and prices skyrocketed. Now anything under 8GB is unacceptable because shit like chrome just eats it up like a fatty at a dessert bar.
TL;DR an average user can make full use of 8GB ram. Even our shitty work computers have 8GB.
>>46843665
VMs get a boost as they can take basically anything they can get and go with it.
Gaming is much more picky. Some games that make good use of multi-threading can find good use for it, but most only use about 2-4 threads, with the bulk concentrated onto 1-2 threads, which in turn can be serviced by 2 cores.
Video transcoding makes good use of hyperthreading, with the only limitation being how fast you can feed the beast (work disk speed). I've turned my 8C/16T Xeon loose on some video transcoding, and I slammed into the disk speed wall long before the CPU topped out when rendering down high bitrate files.
3D rendering also makes good use of it, although why you would want to do that on a laptop is beyond me.
16GB ram kits are so fucking expensive tho
You have only 4GiB RAM? How cute.
>>46843745
i got a secondhand set 4x4GB for 80 euro.
They're ECC at that.
The prices doubles since last year for god knows what reason
Why have browsers become such memory whores? Without a browser running my PC runs at 700mb/8000. Start one up with one tab and now I'm suddenly using 2gb? Fucking shit
>>46843303
Fucking tosser ! VM server hahahahahaha
windows retard running linux mint in a VM hahahah
>>46843291
I like to have a bunch of tabs open for porn, so I can switch to different porn videos on the fly.
>>46843611
Gee, I wish I was able to achieve 14 speed.
>>46843767
Who are you quoting?
>>46843327
>not making an 800 megapixel image in GIMP
people like you are the reason that there is no more OC on 4Chan these days
>>46843748
>Planetary Annihilation
>Not Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance
Fuck off plebe.
>not having your OS use every little bit of RAM to cache everything into it
>>46843726
So generally it's better to have HT than not have it? I feel like my i7 is a little overkill but it gets the job done
>>46843791
>2560x1440
>for a single regular-sized terminal
what the fuck
>>46843778
running Crunchbang linux on an i7 2600K with 8 Gig of ram. I am using 552megs. If I run windows in virtualbox my memory usage goes up to 2.76Gig but only because I allocated 2 gig to windows 7.
>>46843533
nope, got all 32gb of pagefile still, i'm not sure if it was complaining about video memory or what, I assumed it was referring to ram, but maybe it was gpu. Neither was very close to the maximum at least after the warning when I'd check it.
>not having browser profile in RAM
>not having browser cache in RAM
>not having 10+ browser tabs open at all times
>using swap file in 2015
it's like you want us to know how pleb you are
>>46843813
Immersion dude.
The more pixels the more immersion.
Working on my servers has never been more real with this many pixels. It's almost life-like texture ;_;
>>46843813
m8 he's using ssh on his phone. My LG G3 has a 2560x1440 display and I think a few other's do. Look at the status bar son
>>46843791
Teach me your fucking ways goddamn
>>46843799
These days? Yes. There are a few programs that get a 0 to negative increase (only by a few percent) w/ hyperthreading on, but these programs are few and far between. Single threaded programs dont get much of a boost, because they're single threaded, and heavily optimized multi-threaded programs that can suck up an entire core's resources (Tripcode Explorer is an example of this) also see near 0% improvement.
>>46843860
what kind of retard puts a 2560x1440 pixel display on a pocket-sized screen?
>>46843890
they make what people think they want
>>46843890
I dunno, I can't notice the difference between this and my last phone which was 1080p. I thought it would have shitty performance and battery life but it's lasting a day and a half and runs smooth as butter (apart from the fucking android 5.0 memory leak). The screen is 5.5 inches but that still doesn't justify having that many pixels
>>46843890
You need higher PPI displays for devices you hold near your eyes.
It's exactly why 400-500 PPI is perfectly fine on phones you hold like 20cm away from your face, but not necessary on, say, TVs where you sit several meters away.
Also, small high-res displays are being mass produced due to phones, thus making them cheaper and more advanced for VR headsets.
Also, going from a 4.7" ~330 PPI Nexus 4 to a 5.7" ~515 PPI Note 4 was a huge improvement in terms of sharpness for me.
>>46843910
Change the logo from intel to amd otherwise 8/10
you are now aware that you can use an SSD as though it were RAM
>>46843947
swap is nothing new, man
and ssd's are a fuckload slower than ram
>>46843291
It requires 16GB to compile an Android ROM
>>46843767
I have no idea how you discerned this from that post, but I'm not sure if that makes me an idiot or you one.
From what I gathered
>>46843303
is using a hypervisor with virtual machines on, like ESX or Hyper-V. It COULD be a regular windows or linux box virtual machines on, but there's really no telling, is there?
>>46843542
>I often have a game or two running in the foreground
retard
>>46843980
ESXi for that matter.
I'm running memtest so I can't post screenshots right now
secondhand ECC memory
>>46843791
>Uptime: 577 days(!)
>>46843849
Even if you have 129GB of RAM, it's always good to have a Page File, even if it's only a few meg, because a lot of programs fuck up if they don't detect a page file
>>46843291
I consistently fill 8gb with photo and video editing, its not hard. You can do it during times when youre running system maintenance even easier.
>>46843291
HOLY HEATSINK BATMAN
>>46843961
Since when? Can do it just fine on an 8gb rig, the 16gb is for linux in a virtual machine.
>>46844022
gaymur ram lol
Really though, what's the point in that shit
6 GB here.
I can runs several apps at once, but it seems to be the limit.
8 GB is perfect for me.
About to go from 2.7Ghz dual-core | 6GB RAM --> 2.3Ghz quad-core| 8GB RAM
Curious to see how performance differs.
>>46844001
Which ones? Ive never encountered this during the years without swap/pagefile.
>>46844059
higher clocks with shitty memory
I'd avoid memory with heatsinks to be honest
I broke 8gb playing civ V with a real world map at biggest map setting.
Then i upgraded to 16GB and highest ive gotten is around 11GB
With memory it's really that more is better.
There is no argument.
>>46844103
>more is better
enjoy your $5000 build while i get a better build for $500
>>46843988
Yes. I do like ESXi. Very nice.
Modded minecraft
ITT: Pissed off poorfags who cant even afford the extra 10 dollars to get additional ram.
Stop being poor and you will start caring about stupid shit like this less and less.
You people know that the more RAM you have the more your computer will use right? If you have 8GB of RAM and htop shows 4.1GB used, that doesn't mean your computer would explode if you had 4GB instead.
>>46843819
literally kek
>>46843680
>ask manager on crack
So it twitches all the time, talks to itself and steals your TV set?
>>46843291
Please kill yourself you worthless pile of human feces.
>>46843291
Multitasking.
>>46843291
I use lots of tmpfs and aufs.
Also, Firefox can easily fill 4 GB on its own.
>>46843291
1. virtualization
2. sql server
3. img editing
4. vidya
After Effects uses RAM to preview compositions. At anything 720p and above, especially higher resolutions, the more RAM the better.
For a while, I was poor and restricted to 1GB RAM (after the other stick died) on Vista. Guess what? Playing video games on that system wasn't very fun and killed my HDD due to excessive swapping. Meaning I lost a lot of personal data like pictures from my family and stuff just because I didn't have enough RAM.
So, just like people who have survived famines and droughts, nowadays I tend to hoard and 20GB seems to be the fine spot of being safe for another couple years at least.
>>46843890
You know phone screens are gonna power vr headsets eventually right?
>>46845177
> eventually
It's happening right now.
>>46843327
It's not hard.
On my mbp right now with 4GB of ram.
>more than 400MB kernel
>500MB Firefox
>300MB Skype
>more than 300MB built-in image capture extension
And that's only 4 processes.
>16 GB of DDR4
start video rendering first time...my lord there's no going back to DDR3, ever.
>>46843303
>>46843291
I just bought another 4gb stick for my father's work computer because it was filling up. Guess what, Windows is using caching, if your computer is seemingly using 3-3.5 gb out of 4, it probably already cached a lot to the hard drives, and you would actually benefit, speed-wise, out of higher memory.
>>46845177
>>46845209
It's still a moot point because in a VR headset that pixel density is actually desired, and VR headsets are not battery powered.
>>46843291
I like 16GB ram because now I can run all the bloated stuff and it doesn't even bother me.
>>46843291
Try running Windows 7, Firefox and Chrome with 8 to 12 tabs each, various background processes, image editing, and a VM or two.
I regularly hit 10 to 12 GB of my 16 GB. I am going to be learning about editing video in the near future. I can't imagine what I will be at then.
>>46843521
WOOH. brutal
although the way you answered him didnt really follow, he didn't ask 'who'. shoulda maybe started with.. 'by actually using... ' etc. u feel me?
>>46843327
>windows
>firefox
>skype
>torrent client
>boinc
Seems pretty easy. Especially with a video game.
ITT: We justify our disgustingly materialistic western culture with an equally odious tab hoarding habit.
>>46845980
w0O0O0Oh. brutal
>>46844103
>more is better
Just like penis size.
If you're lacking in that department, buy more RAM.
>>46845942
>>46845982
>being this salty because 16GB ram didn't give you more fps in world of warcraft
tragic
4gb or less for normal shit
8gb for Casual video editing or gaming, while browsing.
16gb for Adobe products if you want them to be buttery smooth
>>46843327
Tabs tabs tabs tabs tabs tabs
some video half edited somewhere
some photoshop image half edited elsewhere
tabs tabs and more tabs
bunch of documents open
tabs tabs tabs
multiple monitors
Then I open a game
8GB means I don't have to close anything
>>46843291
Disregarding all the people running a bunch of shit in the background, playing a fucking game (Battlefield 4) it will use 3-3.5GB or RAM. We're not in the stone age so stop starting shit threads.
24GB,
never close anything.
Don't even have to turn off desktop.
>Hybrid sleep master race (pc takes snapshot of env and saves on to ram, then goes to sleep)
>wake pc up
o look im back to where i left off.
feels great.
I hvae 16GB of RAM because I am a moron.
>be me, 18, building a PC
>get 8GB Kingston HyperX Blu
>Project finished, run game
>somethingswrong.jpg
>check all components, temps, the works
>check mem - 3.2 gigs available
>dafuq
>mess with settings for a while
>Order 8GB more ram
>install, still 3.2 available
>anon is confused
>check system again.
>O.S. is 32 bit.
>fuck
>install 64bit O.S.
>15.8GB available
I'm a fucking moron
>>46846409
>18
yes, anon you really are a moron.
I bought 32gb of corsair dominator platinum, as expensive as a gtx 980, why? Because I love being in 99th percentile in every aspect of my computer except for my ssd drives, those are already too good to replace. Because I enjoy being the 1% superior, alpha, I enjoy your weakness and insecurities.
>>46844089
They're not as much heat sinks as kiddy handles so Corsair doesn't have to RMA 90% of it due to little shits that can't socket is properly.
I actually had 2x4 out of that shit, but only because it came with a cpu/mobo/ram deal. Ram was good, fucking brutal fit for my cooler though.
>>46844083
>apps
>downgrading CPU
Why are you here?
Because we just fucking said so, poor/jewfag. You're either out of slots or out of facile arguments.
>>46846447
>>46846511
>downgrading CPU
You do know 50% of the CPU makers actually improve their IPC with every generation?
>>46843291
Future proofing. With next gen's photorealistic graphcis becoming the standard, any pc should have sufficient rampool so as to keep up with the demands.
4 times the console ram is the golden rule people should aim for.
>>46843291
Well, I've head firefox eat my 8G of ram a couple of times. I don't even think it was a bug, just two or three extremely large sites loaded...
Also, on programming mistakes I have had it happen once or twice.
And once on an intentionally complex c++ program I wrote (consisting for the most part of variadic templates), gcc filled 8G just compiling the sources...
>>46843291
>who does this benefit, actually no. lets take this a step further. who does even 8 gb benefit? no one, you just get it because it's the "standard" or the "consensus"
Everyone.
Programmers these days are lazy fucks that'll happily go "Let's make it in Java! What could possibly go wrong!" and the like.
one word: firefox
>>46846463
>32gb corsair dominator
>gaymen computer
>1% superior, alpha
poor bait
>>46843291
star citizen and a few other games max out my memory at 8GB
will be upgrading to 16 soon
>>46846660
Anyone else think I'm fucking around? One of my favorites is proving to you that I don't play.
>>46843291
I can't run ARMA 3 on 2560x1440 with 8GB
>>46845284
DDR4 is slower. MHz may be higher but CL and timings are a fuckton slower. Best case scenario, DDR4 is 10GB/s slower.
>>46843291
I routinely use 4GB+ of ram. Just because you are an autistic faggot with his memory doesn't mean everyone has to be.
>>46846511
>you can't call applications apps anymore
>downgrading cpu
>downgrading cpu
>downgrading cpu
>downgrading cpu
Why are -you- here ?
>>46843819
typical nvidia graph
>>46846751
The hell are you smoking? DDR4 currently has higher latency, yes. But it also has higher bandwidth.
>>46846794
Theoretically.
Practical use is something entirely different.
>>46843291
Anyone who utilizes virtualization can easily use 16gb of ram. Now run along, sport
>>46843291
I hit 7GB easily with my work, 8GB would be the correct choice.
>>46846511
look at this person and laugh
>>46843291
>>46843647
>he doesn't have 12+ thread scheduling resources
>he can't listen to music/watch animu while testing code on multiple distros
>he only uses a computer for gaymes and shitposting
top kek
>>46843679
If you overclock you could see a hit to stability and thus achievable speed.
No, different DIMMs from different manufacturers do not always run the same even at the same Mhz. They all have different timings and capabilities, and I don't just mean the basic CL, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS (the 4 main advertised timings)
There's dozens of timing cycles in a ram module. You should prefer them to all be the same under all circumstances.
>>46846511
2 x 2.7 = 5.4
4 x 2.3 = 9.2
Then if the processor is newer it should be able to handle more operations in the first place...
>>46846908
You can't just add cores up like that and expect performance to be any better.
But, like I said earlier in the thread, 50% of the x86 makers actually do increase IPC with every generation.
>>46846432
This was several years ago, still have the pc, still a moron, no longer 18
>>46846937
>50% of the x86 makers
>>46843347
>CPU Usage goes from 0% to 50-70% on all cores.
>Look /g/ i use 23GB of ram always
>>46843291
Actually a lot of people. 16gb is great for vm. 8gb helps as well. On Linux raw amounts of ram actually speeds up your os quite a bit. On Windows if you have too much ram that you inconsistently use, Windows will have a hard time allocating ram and end up using too much thus being pointless in the long run. Especially since the age of serious Linux gaming is starting.... Windows will be forgotten!
>>46847478
That's what you usually see if you open the task manager, even while it's in use.
>have 32gb in mobile workstation with at least 4vms running constantly. RAM usage usually stays around 28gb or so
> also need for video editing/ rendering faggot
>running VMs
>video editing
>image editing
>3d modeling/animation
>using emacs
I use the 16GB in my X220 for VMs mostly, it's something for the odd time when I need it.
In my desktop I hit 16GB every time I use UE3. If you do more with your computer than play video games and browse the internet you will learn that there are plenty of applications that progressed with hardware in the market.
op here. I guess I'm the only person on /g/ who actually enjoys micromanaging his computer tasks to maximize performance. It's why I intentionally built a gimped pc.
>>46848112
I intentionally built a pretty awesome pc and do the same thing.
>>46845229
I am only using 1,8 GB at the moment, Windows 8.1, Google Chrome, Spotify, Skype and background processes.
>>46843533
>FL Studio
get a real producing software fucking pleb
also learn to play a real instrument intead of clicking random places on a midi score
>>46849333
you made me laugh bro.
FLstudio is pro tier you faggot.
>>46843291
>Only can afford 4GB RAM
>Doesn't even utilize that
>Thinks that anyone who can afford more or actually need more is wrong
>Thinks that having more RAM then you are using is bad for your computer
>Hasn't done a single thing in the real world with computers ever
>Thinks he has a valid point or should speak up even though it's clear he doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.
I'm talking to your faggot ass OP but seriously, it could be any of you. The majority of this board hasn't done shit in the real world with computers and yet you think you've earned an opinion.
>>46849539
I created an emulator for Japanese erotic games in Python and C++, you fucker. Don't think you'll ever be on my level.
>>46843533
Yeah try to load a big rompler in FL. How did that go?
>>46849597
Dude, I don't even want to know how a couple of Kontakt channels work under 4gb ram.
Uhh guys, what if I have 16gigs of ram and only 2gigs of nvidias....and an i7
>>46851246
I bet you don't even own a decade old laptop.
>>46843291
Shills.
