This alone is worth $200 over what a Windoze laptop costs
I don't think anyone is complaining about the build quality of these pieces of shit. It's the price, operating system, brand and freedoms that are the problem.
>>45834954
>quality
>apple
2011 15" mbp would like to have a word with you
>>45834972
>ati chips committing suicide
tell me something new
>>45834954
>a UNIX OS that can be actually used as a daily driver desktop instead of a toy
that's nice
would like them to move over to zfs though
>>45834954
I bought a mac purely for the OS .. unix-like and quality hardware, stay buttmad friend
>>45835268
Buttmad?? Not really :DD
>>45834932
If you don't have the money to buy what you want, don't be mad to the people who can
>>45835279
well, you started the thread so whatever
>>45834990
Why not use Solaris?
>>45835297
>>45835279
How about you both fuck off to /s4s/? :^D
>>45834932
That is worth exactly $200 because that's what I paid for my Chromebook, which has support for 2 and 3 finger "gestures".
I have a 15" mbp and a dell xps 15 and the touchpad on that thing is just as good. The only thing which the macbook has over it is the smoother scrolling, but that is an osx thing, not hardware.
I have an Asus x502ca capable of "gestures" and everything except scroll is gay as shit. They're unintuitive to a mouse pad. I will really never understand the appeal.
fuck that shitty piece of shit
I have never accidentally clicked so much in my god damn life
>>45835437
Even on higher end machines i find window's palm detection wonky as hell. But not bad as the cheap machines where the mouse just freaks out while typing and ends up randomly highlighting and deleting text.
>>45835392
>Chromebot
Oh gosh I loathe this piece of shit. Or any touchpad without physical buttons for that matter.
>>45835697
>not installing GNU/Linux on your subsidized Chromebook
Things are cheap as fuck.
>>45835356
>daily driver desktop OS
>>45835488
That's because your operating system does not incorporate them properly.
A good example of a comfy gesture on OSX, is the four-finger swipe to the side, which changes workspace.
One that I personally use (which I don't see many other people use) is the three-finger drag, for dragging things, which I find immensely more comfortable than the regular way of doing it.
Hell, this trackpad is so good, that I often find myself using it over my mouse, without even noticing it.
>>45835378
>he keeps using emoticons to show hes not mad
>look how hard he's trying
My x220 would like a word woth you
>>45834932
well that's true
>>45836939
I don't know why the 3 finger drag is default disabled. It's such a good gesture and works incredibly well
>>45837254
Shame about the new models being garbage. Lenovo isn't worth shit in 2014-2015.
>>45837396
I hate the new design
I wish they kept the design that you have pictured
Is there a way to make the windows synaptics touch pad suck a lot less?
>>45838514
The one I have pictures IS the new design. That's the X240. Notice how there are no mouse buttons to be used with the clit nub.
>>45837396
i wish only for actual click bottons
>>45838547
X220 was the last grand design that Lenovo had
>>45834954
>price
Cheaper than other alternatives with the same specs
>operating system
Which one? Windows? BSD? GNU/Linux?
>brand
Lele macfags r gay every1
>freedoms
Do you use a Lemote?
>>45838523
Please respond.
>>45836939
>4 fingers
haha why not 10
>>45837396
I'd rather look at that picture of the insect with all the hatching eggs on its back.
>>45837254
Tfw no reasonably priced genuine x220 9 cell batteries in the UK
I don't want chink knock off batteries damnit
>>45834932
>Windoze laptop
associating an OS with a computer Hardware
things only macfags do
If that's so nice, where are the buttons?
Oh yeah, all Macs are 100% form over function. And that's why they're shit. They don't even look that great, at that. Just nondescript slabs of aluminum with shiny Apple logos.
>>45839863
>Physical buttons
Go back to 2004
>>45839863
That looks fucking stupid
>>45839883
>>45839896
Thanks for proving my point.
>get with the times, gramps! Minimalist tech with hugely castrated functionality is the future.
>who cares about functionality if it doesn't have muh minimalist design?
>>45839863
Lol dumb wintards
>>45834932
It's pretty common for Windows laptops to have a shitload of touchpad gesture options these days.
Can't say I care much about price. I just like powerful, upgradeable laptops; which rules out Macbooks and many other laptops.
>>45839936
>its better cause its ugly and different@!!!
Fuck off back to 1998 kid
>>45839863
Absolutely disgusting, tiny buttons designed for baby fingers
>>45839863
It has physical buttons, if you push the bottom bit they actuate, try using a MBP for a bit, they're actually quite nice.
>>45839967
It's better because it helps you do computer things faster and more efficiently. Keep trolling though, you're really making me mad. I'm getting really butthurt here.
>>45839942
Guess again, faggot.
>>45840003
>it helps you do computer things faster and more efficiently
Name 3 things you can magically do faster that would warrant having an ugly as fuck laptop
>>45835268
hackintosh
>>45839863
I'd rather have an all-glass trackpad (which I do, on my $3000 non-Apple laptop) than six plastic buttons that will look like pic related after a couple of months of use.
I mean I have a keyboard right above the trackpad, I don't need six buttons.
By the way my glass trackpad can be configured to have more than six click types (each corner - 4, middle - 5, two fingers - 6, three fingers - 7) and yet I only use two corners (left and right click) and two fingers (middle click). So unless you really need strong physical feedback and a little "click" isn't enough for you, I see no reason to have a non-glass trackpad.
>>45840102
I've never owned a computer as ugly as the Macbook. Why don't you tell me?
Inb4
>it's not ugly, I swear!
>it has an Apple logo!
>the logo lights up!
>and, um, it's aluminum unibody!
i have a 2011 macbook and while i think osx is nothing special compared to windows or anything else, the trackpad is nice.
loud as fuck when clicking, but nice.
now the sd card reader on the other hand broke after 5 uses.
>winfags and macfags have problems with their laptops after a few months
>my first gen chromebook (Cr-48) that I got for free has no problems with it
>>45840215
I told you to back up your claim, idiot. Don't make claims like 'This mousepad can do things faster and more efficiently' and then move goalposts when I tell you to explain
Just get off this board if you don't know what you're talking about
>>45840193
Go to a Thinkpad general sometime and look at all their five year old laptops. See any like the pic posted?
>>45840215
Reality distortion field aside, would you really rather have plastic that looks like >>45840193 than aluminum/glass?
>>45840288
no laptops made within the last like 7 years ends up looking like that.
>>45840269
Your question is retarded. You're asking me to justify owning an ugly laptop like the Zbook when the Zbook isn't ugly. But anyway, since you're too fucking retarded to figure something this obvious out for yourself, here are a few:
>open tab by middle clicking link
>close tab my middle clicking link
>can keep one finger on nipple pad while comfortably clicking with top row of buttons
>>45840288
Reality distortion field aside, >>45840193 is bullshit. I challenge you to find me a picture of a used Elitebook (the Zbook's predecessor) in which the trackpad looks like that.
>>45840319
>>45840333
That was easy.
>>45840373
S h r e k t
>>45840373
Still looks functional to me.
>posts picture of trackpad with severe cosmetic damage and a fucked up button
>lel this is the same thing as a trackpad with a light oil
Also, kek: https://www.google.com/search?q=macbook+discoloration&tbm=isch
>>45838584
>Cheaper than other alternatives with the same specs
topkek
>>45840373
>>45840435
He's right about the MBA being cheaper than its competition though
Very hard to find an ultrabook with a Haswell processor for cheaper
>>45840427
I never said plastic doesn't get discolored. I said glass doesn't get discolored. Sure is straw man around here.
>>45840454
Dunno what you're >implying, that glass shatters under normal use? Plastic discolors under normal use (everyday touching), glass doesn't shatter under normal use.
>>45840373
>I'm in Indiana and there's only one Apple store in the city. I took the picture from an angle so you can see the little crack on the right. I first noticed a tiny defect (only way I can describe it) at the bottom of the pad. Over the next few days it started to grow into the little crack on the right. I called and was told to take it into the store. Well before I went, I tried to clean it, and it grew into what you see now. At the store they said there is an impact point so they consider it damaged. I know that I didn't damage it. One day I just noticed that it didn't look smooth anymore. That was the beginning of the end.
>>45834932
needs more jaypeg artifacts.
>>45840467
X1 carbon is only slighty more expensive and the build quality is much better
>>45840475
>>45840483
>The glass track pad cracked on my 6-month old uni-body Macbook during normal use--specifically while clicking the lower part of the glass with one finger tip.
>Based on what I've experienced and seen so far this is a systematic problem. It looks like there is a weak point in the bottom center of the glass where most of these cracks are happening. Supporting this, the only irregular aspect of my track pad usage was that I clicked almost exclusively at that point in the bottom center. The crack started as a finger tip-shaped downward pointing crescent, and has now spidered all the way to the top of the pad.
>>45835392
>look guise mein trackped can handlew up to 3 fingursssss
>Hey everyone. I just got my MacBook Pro today and the trackpad had a crack in it within 5 hours! However, unlike the ones seen on the other MacBook Pros, this one is in the top left and happened when I clicked around the upper middle area (normal use just like the other situations). I'd like to get this taken care of by AppleCare (they cover one-day old items right??? ) but don't know if it would be possible. For now it may be a cosmetic issue but I don't want the crack to continue expanding and reach epic proportions like the previous poster's. I plan on using this forum as evidence of the trackpad's problems and I hope that since I live in Canada, the stereotype of Canadians being very nice people holds true for the employees at the Apple store .
>>45840499
>literally half the battery life
>I've been looking around the web to find someone with this problem, so it's nice to see something so recent. I've been having a problem with my trackpad for the last few weeks; it just seems to not react to normal pressing and occasionally lags in response, so I end up with about 5-6 actions after a minute or two delay. More often I've been clicking in the bottom middle portion of the trackpad (right where that screw is), as it's the only place that is consistently responsive.
>Late last week I was just tapping away (not agressively or anything) when I looked down and noticed a pretty nasty crack the size of the tip of my finger, with a single looping out. It wasn't there when I started using it earlier that morning, I hadn't moved the laptop, and there was nothing close to drop on it. The cracked area is still responsive, but I really don't want to keep pressing it on the chance it gets worse.
>>45834932
Agreed
>>45835268
OS X isn't UNIX like, it is UNIX.
>>45835733
The trackpad is a physical button.
>>45839632
It's not like it's difficult, the other three fingers are already hovering above the trackpad as you use it, you just need to lower them.
>>45839863
Trackpad as a single button is the best way to go. You can reset the trackpad so clicking in different areas/with more or less fingers/etc. does different clicks/things.
>>45840255
>have no problems with any of my Macs
>my first gen free Cr-48's hinges failed after 6 months of use
>I sat on my recliner and looked down at my 6 month old trackpad and it was cracked. After considerable thought, I believe I know how it happened.
>I believe it happened as a result of how I carried it upstairs. I carried it with one hand with my thumb pressed against the trackpad and my other 4 fingers supporting the bottom of the laptop.
Awesome build quality.
>>45840319
>>45840333
>Elitebook
Here you go bros.
EliteBook 2540p, from 2011.
I guess it does happen to Elitebooks, and to computers made in the last 7 years.
>>45840565
>i7
>laptop
lol
>>45840556
>Awesome build quality.
I don't have any statistics on whether glass touchpads are any more/less prone to breakage than plastic touchpads, but like I said, I'm not talking about Macs, I'm talking about glass touchpads in general.
If you can show statistics that they're really more faulty/prone to breakage than plastic ones, you win. Otherwise you can sit here all day and find anecdotal evidence showing how much X/Y/Z suck.
>>45840556
What do you expect to happen if you put the weight of the laptop on a 1" glass part of it?
>>45840599
*1"sq
>>45840599
I can hold my six pound Y510p like that. How much does a Macbook Pro weigh, again?
>>45840620
That's only the old fat Macbooks, bruh.
Neither the Airs or Retinas have sharp edges.
>>45840629
Who cares? The point is that you're stupid to put the weight of a laptop on a piece of glass let alone carry it like a retard.
>>45840599
My laptop (non-Apple) has a glass touchpad (and glass LCD panel covering). I've dropped it on the corner of a stair (whoops) and banged the top-center of the display on a countertop (double whoops) and they've survived because the aluminum part bent and absorbed the impact.
You CAN engineer things well. And I bet Apple laptops are engineered so that the metal absorbs the impact. You can't generalize from a few broken items.
>>45840638
I just used a 2013 rMBP and it was painful.
I don't understand why anyone would want square edges.
>muh minimalism
Only on /g/ people would argue plastic is better than glass for a touch surface.
Go back to your chinkphone with a glass screen.
>>45840641
>You're holding it wrong
I think I've heard that before somewhere.
>>45840643
Anon, he was carrying the laptop open with his thumb on the trackpad. His fingers acted as the fulcrum and all of the laptop's weight was pressed onto a small area of the glass trackpad thanks to the retard's thumb placement. It's entirely his own fault and has no reflection on Apple's build quality.
>>45840664
In bed with Jamal? I'm sure you have you fucking faggot.
>>45840522
>up to 9 hours
>half
>>45840678
Ah, the old "you are a homosexual" burn. You got me, bro. Fuckin #rekt
>>45840193
>Got a brand new netbook for free.
>First thing I did was to affix a 1€ screen protector to the trackpad.
>Cut to fit, more than half of it remaining for other uses, such as replacing it if I manage to tear it down by friction.
>>45840649
I think the reason is they think it looked better when closed. The edge looks nice and straight.
If they put a chamfer on the edge to make it more ergonomic, it would look just a little bit less clean and trim.
>>45840687
Faulty components happen and it's a bitch to prove they were faulty out of the factory when you've been using them for six months and they look like physical damage.
I've had a pixel die on a class-0 monitor and had the warranty denied under "physical damage", talk about bullshit.
Anyway how many glass touchpads are faulty within six months? How many plastic trackpads are faulty within six months? Without statistics, it's just anecdotal evidence.
>>45840499
It's a fair amount more expensive in britbong land so I don't know. Plus the shit trackpad and infinitely worse battery life
i still have yet to see someone explain why apple trackpads are supposedly better.
the most i get is "muh gestures" which is nil because every trackpad has those if you install the drivers
>>45840719
yeah, and it also wouldn't be fucking painful.
>>45840752
>Apple's trackpads are glass, better
>generally larger
>clickpad instead of buttons taking up trackpad space
>11 simultaneous touches
>best working drivers in the market
>best trackpad integration with OS
It's not about the hardware or software, but how they work together. Apple has accomplished the best combination consumer technology has to offer atm.
>>45839632
You can set it to use 3 fingers if you want.
>>45840699
>up to 9 hours
>actually believing that
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/28/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon-review-2014/
>6 hours and 18 minutes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/06/25/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon-review-beats-macbook-air-on-paper/3/
>5 hours
http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon-2014-review/2/
>4 hours, 35 minutes (granted, it was a littler heavier than regular workload)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2138145/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon-review-slightly-overdone-but-plenty-tasty.html
>disappointing battery life
Yes, anon, half.
>>45840764
It's not either way; quit being a little bitch.
>>45834932
>mac trackpad
>requires 2 fingers to right click
>inverted scrolling
how shitty, i think my netbook had better trackpad management
>>45840764
You could also avoid it by typing with raised wrists, like you're technically supposed to.
If we want to talk about proper ergonomics though, all laptops are pretty shit.
>>45840810
>mac trackpad
Yes
>requires 2 fingers to right click
No, is set for two finger right click by default and is changeable.
>inverted scrolling
No, is set for inverted scrolling by default (the way it should be) and is changeable.
>>45840810
>requires to fingers to right click
I fail to see the problem
>inverted scrolling
>goddamn, it's hard to uncheck a checkbox
>>45838561
This
But the x240 is still a formidable loonix/ganoo machine
Why are mac threads so hilarious
>>45840880
Poor jealous subhumans
>>45840880
It attracts the lowlife populous that literally have nothing to do but rip on what they can't afford.
>>45840953
Hello!
>>45840938
>>45840953
>implying macbooks (and iPhone and iPads) don't get bought a lot by poor people who think they are status symbols because they are shiny and popular
>>45840536
>first gen free Cr-48's hinges failed after 6 months of use
mine aren't as "rigid" (idk if that's the correct term) as they were before but it's still fine. A friend of mine got a chromebook and the hinges fucked up on his pretty quickly, he uses it as a mousepad now lol
>>45840536
>OS X isn't UNIX like, it is UNIX.
An old version was, they don't bother with the certification anymore IIRC.
They where making efforts toward full POSIX and replacing the horrible hack job that was the kernel instead.
>>45834932
I really don't like trackpads, or OS X, are there other worthwhile selling points? Was thinking of getting one but now reconsidering since I wouldn't really benefit
but the apple standalone "magic trackpad" is only $70
>>45840536
Being a Unix makes it a Unix-like.
All Unixes are Unix-like (because Unix is like Unix...), but not all Unix-likes are Unixes. Do I can say that OS X and GNU(/Linux) are Unix-like, and I could also say *BSD is Unix-like, but it would be more specific (and proper) to just call it what it is
>>45840983
Yes they do, every OS X since Leopard or Snow Leopard has been.
http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/
>>45837396
this. I love my T500's design.
then things went downhill.
why Lenovo, why?!
>>45841003
UNIX like implies it's not certified. Calling it UNIX is saying it is. OS X is UNIX. Linux is UNIX like.
>>45840802
>implying mac air also has the battery life reported by apple
>>45841218
>citation needed
Some sites have it being 2 hours out at most, but certainly not as shameless as the X1 getting half its battery life in most tests
I will take one with buttons over your shit any day, it's coming from person who finished Portal with a touchpad of an Acer laptop.
It's still shit compared to a $10 USB mini mouse.
>>45841218
But it has, you mongoloid. Many reviews even reports over the promised 12 hours.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2457827,00.asp
>15 hours, 51 minutes
http://www.macworld.com/article/2151340/macbook-air-review-a-little-faster-a-little-more-affordable.html
>12 hours, 13 minutes
http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/apple-macbook-air-13-inch-2014
>12 hours, 20 minutes
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/13-inch-macbook-air-1158388/review
>12 hours of general computing
http://www.trustedreviews.com/13-inch-macbook-air-2014-review
>12+ hours of battery life
>>45841314
with a shitty stripped down os most other ultrabooks would get that battery life too
>>45841369
>oh shit I've been called out for talking out of my ass
>>45841369
>OS X
>shitty and stripped down
Choose one
>>45841384
put linux on a mac air and watch that battery life go down
>>45841395
pick two
>>45841369
>with an OS optimized for the hardware most other ultrabooks would get that battery life too
Fixed that for you.
Either way, you're really grasping at straws now, anon.
>>45834932
You cant skimp on trackpads, they're hard enough to use as is
>>45841395
>less rice than gnulix
>less software than wangblows
>not striped down
Top homosex, m8.
>>45841409
>pick two
You can if you want but you'd be wrong.
>>45841430
You have a very, very odd definition of stripped down.
>>45841288
>playing vidya with a touchpad
At least get an Xbox controller or something, Jesus Christ.
>>45841409
>oh shit he's calling me out, better move those goalposts quick!!
>>45841421
>>45841450
>>45841451
it's a fact OSX is stripped down *BSD with a pretty interface
>>45841369
>OSX
>shitty and stripped down
kek, it's fucking bloated m8
>>45841460
My mouse broke and so was I. And the game is too short to bother.
>>45841430
And Windows has less rice than Linux and Linux has less software than both of them combined.
What are you getting at?
>>45841486
That osx has none of this, geez.
>>45841477
it lacks a lot of features of other unix like OSes, that's the definition of stripped down
>touchpads
>worth anything
lol
>>45841543
like what?
>>45841468
OS X isn't a stripped down *BSD, it's a Darwin OS based OS. Darwin being an OS sharing characteristics and some source code but it itself is not a BSD.
>>45841599
google.com
>>45841669
You're retarded and inbred.
source: bing.com
>>45837396
the only thing wrong with them is that fucking touchpad
everythink else is ok
>>45841680
bing is a botnet, you should use google
>>45841688
This.
>>45841696
nandate?!?!
>>45841543
It has all of the features it needs to be certified UNIX and then some. That's not stripped down.
>>45841763
>certified UNIX
>implying that means shit
One of the reasons Linux exists is because UNIX had poor features.
>>45841793
>>45841793
>hurf durf
Linux isn't UNIX certified because no one at Linux doesn't want to pay the fee. Linux is still UNIX-like.
>Also implying BSD has "poor features"
You're delusional
>>45841840
OSX isn't BSD.
>>45841582
this
Enterprise quality = Best quality
Consumers need not apply.
>>45841793
No, the reason is because they don't want to put up the $15k for licensing.
>>45841915
>>45841840
And i'm pretty sure variations of *BSD aren't Unix certified.
>>45841460
that feelio when I was playin Alien Arena and other FPS games on the clit mouse (thinkpad)....
it's actually bretty good. sure, don't go playin 1.6 on it, but it's fine for single player crap.
>>45841582
and ElitePads.
Not like stinking Apple users ever used one of these fine pieces of hardware.
(Older ThinkPads, fuck the new design.)
I'm running a Laptop with Windows 8.1, Mavericks and Ubuntu on it.
Personally I'd rank them like this:
>Mac OSX
>Windows
>
>
>Ubuntu
Everything on a HP Laptop of the higher price range.
>>45839760
Don't forget normies
>"I just got a new computer!"
>"Cool! Is it a Macintosh or a Dell?"
>>45834932
>using trackpads unironically
>>45841688
>>45841726
No, everything is not "ok". The floating keyboard is awful.
>>45834932
Who the fuck uses a touchpad?
I use a mouse whenever possible.
>>45843291
What is the problem with that??
>>45843352
If you have a macbook, you don't use a mouse.
>>45834932
>tfw no one has a better trackpad than apple
>tfw all thinkpad trackpads suck
>>45838561
That's coming back on the 50 series.
>>45840577
Hello, newfriend! Enjoy your stay!
>>45843291
>function keys subordinate to 'search' and 'media' keys
> I beat hotline Miami using only the mbp touchpad
>>45834932
You could literally buy that by itself and use it on Windows.
>>45835661
My windows trackpads always had way, way, WAY more accidental click issues. The only accidental click issue I've had with my MBP is doing three finger swipe when I meant 2 finger swipe, and all three finger swipe does is pan out to the multiple window layout. On my windows layouts I often actually clicked on LINKS unintentionally, which would result in forms I was trying to type in getting erased.
>>45845726
>implying I'm new
i7 in laptops are just ridiculous. Laptops are portable computers, battery life should be the number one priority. Anything CPU intensive should be left to desktops, workstations, and servers.
>>45834932
Would you like to buy a Starbucks coffee for $50 as well? After all, it's soooo much better than something like Peet's coffee, amirite?
>>45834932
That isn't a trackpoint
>>45849673
Go read up on Race-to-sleep and you'll see how retarded you just sounded.
>>45839960
oh, you poor naive bastard...
pic related
>>45852760
how does that compare to bettertouchtool?
>>45834932
Why would you pay for something that you will use maybe once or twice?
Wait, does this piece of shit not have an actual button for clicking?
I hate clicking the touchpad accidentally.
>>45852916
It actually works.
>>45840859
>natural
kek
Do Applefags also steer left in their car, if they want to go right?
>>45853227
Do you swipe down on your phone when you want to go further down a webpage?
>>45853227
This is natural. This is exactly how you'd "scroll" a real life paper in front of you. Try it. If you move it up, the text goes up too.
>fuckhuge trackpad that just gets in the of typing aka actual work
How is that good again?
>>45853260
I touch the webpage and swipe it down? Do you touch your Macbooks screen?
>>45853265
Sure, and if the text is too small is just pinch to zoom with my fingers :^)
>>45840467
>>45840499
>Very hard to find an ultrabook with a Haswell processor for cheaper
>X1 carbon is only slighty more expensive and the build quality is much better
Wintards smh
>>45853285
Use a macbook and see how few times you actually accidentally trigger the trackpad
it's weird that it's so big, yet seems to ignore accidental touch
>>45842550
>using a fisher price unix for retards by retards
>>45834932
I would pay $200 to not have their shitty trackpad and keyboad. No defined buttons on trackpad. Nowhere to rest your thumb because if you put it on the button, it thinks you're trying to do pinch to zoom.
Note this isn't a Mac only problem. Tons of manufacturers adapt this horrible design.
>>45853765
>If Apple engineers actually knew what they were doing, they could use a known superior open-source kernel and their pretty on top of that instead.
>mfw it's true
>mfw the only thing that stops apple froim doing that is linux being licensed under GPL.
Apple/GNU/Linux would be fun.
