Since AM3+ has no future, what socket should I use? What processor do you AMDfags use? (I would perfer no iGPU)
>No AM3+
>No Integrated graphics
Sounds like you just narrowed everything down to just an 860K.
>>45719485
The FX 8350 can compete with intel cards that are $50 more expensive. Quit believing the le AMD is shit propaganda
>>45719517
I just dont want to pay for something I wont use, but if I must I don't mind.
>>45719485
FX-6300. FM2+ is the only other socket option available and that is only used for Kaveri. I would stick to AM3+ if you want performance now or wait until the next socket comes out and get the first processor with a die shrink.
>>45719551
If you need more power than an FX-8350, just overclock the damn thing. You can probably push it to about 5.1-5.2 GHz given godly cooling.
>>45719485
AMD sucks OP, you should get an Intel® Core™i5/i7 instead
>>45719485
860K is a 7850K without the GPU cores that make it an "APU". If you want a slightly more up-to-date platform than AM3+ and you don't mind a less expensive but less powerful processor, an A88X board is probably what you want.
>>45719485
OY VEY OP
why not invest into a futureproof, high performing, 700$ Intel® Core™ i7 for your extra 5 FPS ?
Don't forget, OP. Al Qaeda used AMD processors to compile their plans and schematics for 9/11.
If you support AMD, you support terrorists!
>>45720244
>buy AMD
>support terrorism
or
>buy Intel
>support Israel and ZIMBBABWE
hard choice
AMD build to do what?
Muh Games - FX6300
Video rendering - FX8350
Everything else - APU
Also AMD cpu does suck unless you OC it to 8GHz so it can slightly outperform an i3 in biased benchmarks.
>intel makes bad cpu.
IT'S OVER INTEL IS FINISHED BASED AMD.
>AMD makes a bad cput
IT'S OVER INTEL IS FINISHED.
/g/ shills for whatever is on top because consumerism.
When AMD gets back up from the First truly bad arch they had in years this is going to reverse entirely and you'll know the feels.
>>45719496
>Intel
>ever
>tfw no more Intel socket compatible AMD CPUs
>tfw my iMac will forever have an Intel CPU
Feels bad
>>45719496
have fun with your monopoly.
>>45721248
Muh Intel-Victim complex
>>45719485
>>45724120
>Almost 2015
>Not recommending SSDs
Can you basement dwelling poorfags pls stop.
>>45724120
Why are SSD's shit for desktops?
HDD's in desktops still have the same severe bottleneck HDD's in laptops have - IO's.
>>45724207
Because the durability and power advantages are nearly useless in a desktop, sleep mode eliminates the need for booting up, and the few seconds shaved off loading things isn't worth losing about 80% of your potential storage space.
>>45724207
desktop drives are usually faster with a larger cache compared to laptop drives.
>>45724197
He keeps shilling his own image for some reason even if it's horrible.
>>45724412
most people never seem to be able to counter my arguments over SSDs being a shit(for desktops)
>>45724491
That's because you suffer from HDD distortion field syndrome.
The fact that you think we need to prove SSD's are far more useful then HDD's for anything but storage makes you retarded.
This is already a majority opinion. You prove to me that using a HDD is better.
You're literally ignoring one of the most beneficial parts of your build for
>muh HDD's
Literally babyboomer mentality
>>45724491
Because you're a fucking irrational autist who tries to dismiss facts by downplaying them.
SSDs are faster, and that isn't a minor benefit like you try to play it off as. The entire system feels more responsive. When moving large files, many files, or decompressing something an SSD is drastically faster than a mechanical disk.
An SSD transfers no vibrations into your case.
An SSD will last longer than a mechanical drive will.
An SSD will never have a motor die during spin up.
An SSD will never have performance issues arise as the result of file fragmentation.
Reliability rates of SSDs outpace mechanical storage, and should you ever need to do a system restore an SSD will allow you to have your system back and running in just minutes instead of hours.
Go fucking kill yourself.
>>45724120
whoever did this should himself
>>45724600
should what, should WHAT!
>>45724491
How about because SSDs big enough to use as a boot drive are fucking dirt cheap and completely solve the largest bottleneck in your computer's day to day performance for under $100?
>>45724569
>An SSD will last longer than a mechanical drive will.
>An SSD will never have a motor die during spin up.
Except that SSDs will just run out of writes eventually giving them a limited life span.
>>45724645
Then where are all of your games going to go?
>>45724569
>Reliability rates of SSDs outpace mechanical storage, and should you ever need to do a system restore an SSD will allow you to have your system back and running in just minutes instead of hours.
That is however one advantage SSDs have over hard drive, you can install your OS faster, which you almost never do.
>>45724661
>Except that SSDs will just run out of writes eventually giving them a limited life span.
Not in my lifetime
You really have no idea do you?
256 GB drives are under 100$ right now.
That leaves more then 200 for your games.
>implying you're going to replay AAA console ports that eat up 30+ GB each
Remove them after you're done with them faggot
Chances are you have a harddrive laying around anyway.
>>45724661
>b-b-but muh limited writes!
Pure FUD. A cheap 256gb 840 EVO drive can withstand 100TB of writes before it loses any cells whatsoever. A 512gb drive would double that.
The endurance of SSDs is not an issue. Go fucking kill yourself.
>>45724661
On the platter drive that your shiny new SSD replaced, genius.
Is your TV still a CRT? It is, isn't it? I bet you still use your VHS collection.
So is there any reason I should FM2+ then? Seems nice if you are going full on budget build, but I'm looking to spend 1-1.2k dollars.
You see anon, the reason why according to you nobody came with arguments isn't because there isn't any.
It's because the notion that you you're denying that the sky is blue is not worth replying to.
>>45724745
No, get a i5 intel processor.
nvidia 970
>>45724745
Socket FM2+ has no high performance parts, and its uncertain if it will receive any new chips.
Socket AM3+ doesn't have a comparable chipset, but you have a selection of higher performance CPUs.
AMD doesn't have anything to offer on the desktop unless you want a cheap and quiet HTPC, a little mail server, or a cheap video editing build.
>>45724715
>>45724699
This is assuming you're buying a completely new rig and not reusing parts.
>>45724745
>but I'm looking to spend 1-1.2k dollars.
see:
>>45724120
>>45724781
Where is the monitor
Where is the keyboard/mouse
speakers?
microphone?
A DESK TO PUT IT ON?
>>45724745
http://www.logicalincrements.com/
The outstanding build should suffice, like I guessed in >>45724757
>>45724807
I would consider those more accessories than parts, but that's why the build is low budget as well incase you need those.
>>45724811
i luv memes
>>45724857
It's a shitty build.
>>45724884
It's the best performance per dollar gaymen rig I could find without compromising on the hardware.
>>45719485
so far as I know there's not an amd socket that has a reliable future
>>45724715
>implying CRT is worse than LCD
Kill yourself, retard.
>>45719485
Dual socket Phenom II, it's just as good as a single new i7.
>>45724933
FM2+ is supposed to be supported until 2016
>>45725357
Where was this stated?
>>45725357
that's not long and has anything new been confirmed for am2+ or is it just they'll continue selling am2+ cpus till 2016
>>45725471
AM2+ died out a very, very long time ago.
>>45725370
all over the internet?
>>45724777
fm2+ is plenty high performance and fx cpus are going to transition to it
am3+ is dead
>>45725562
FM2+ CPUs barely compete with my 7 year old Core 2 Quad @ 3.0ghz
>>45725558
Try actually reading those articles.
They're making an inference about AMD's roadmap slides. AMD absolutely has never said they would "support" FM2+ until 2016.
>>45725562
>fm2+ is plenty high performance
An FX 6300 for $110 with a slight overclock absolutely slaughters all the quad core Kaveri chips.
>>45725627
It probably ties it in per core performance, but if you're using all 6 cores it'll be better
>>45719485
wait a year for zen
>>45725627
FX 6300 is only $99 at Newegg and $90 at MicroCenter now.
>>45725610
Kavere demolishes Core2
>>45725627
>An FX 6300 for $110 with a slight overclock absolutely slaughters all the quad core Kaveri chips.
no. Kaveri also supports much faster RAM and PCIe3.0
>>45725695
>faster RAM
For doing what?
>>45719485
athlon 860k overcocked to 4.5GHz
gigabutt mobo
>>45725695
r u srs?
a sandy i3 clocked 33% slower beats a top of the line kaveri
>>45725774
Why do you faggots come in here and just spread lies?
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1200?vs=677
Kaveri vs Ivy Bridge i3, only a 400mhz difference in base clock.
>>45725774
good thing i never said anything about an i3 u fuckin idiot
>not believing in HSA
>>45725695
>Kavari demolishes Core 2 Quad.
How about no
>>45725874
HSA can do so many little things that its ridiculous. You can use it to have the IGP render file icons instantly when you open up a folder. Little things like that seriously go a long way towards making a system *feel* fast.
For like 99% of common workloads a cheap HSA system with an SSD is perfect, whether its an APU or an ARM SoC.
Though people really need to start branching into acronyms with more than three letters. Jesus.
>>45725908
destroys it in 2 out of 3 benchmarks
is that your point?
>>45725908
OK bud.
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/193480-intel-finally-agrees-to-pay-15-to-pentium-4-owners-over-amd-athlon-benchmarking-shenanigans
>>45725957
That third bench, POV-Ray, its just an error that Anandtech never bothered updating in their results database.
Kaveri scores a lot higher than Trinity in POV-Ray, and Trinity was about on par with the Q9650 in said bench.
In performance per clock the intel chip is ahead, but ultimate performance is what matters, how you get there doesn't.
>>45719541
The i3 4330 gets more performance than the goddamn FX-9590 in MGS5.
AMD a shit.
>>45725996
k, so then youre agreeing that kaveri destroys core2
>>45726022
Yes. The old C2Q chips can't hold a candle to Kaveri, and its more than what just a couple synthetic benches show.
>>45725724
everything
>>45726047
But faster RAM is completely pointless unless you're doing very specific tasks.
For gaming, general use, rendering, creating media, it makes absolutely zero difference.
>>45726081
0/10
>FX6300
I want this for a budget build, but why do I feel like I'm going to purchase their end-of-the-line overstock. Not to mention, if I wait, it could possibly be buying 1st gen garbage of the new socket....
>>45726081
ITT we cannot into how APUs work.
>>45726099
Name one common task where faster RAM makes a measurable difference then.
All I can think of is onboard graphics.
>>45726117
And if you don't have an APU, and you shouldn't, why would you need faster RAM?
>>45726112
Its not even 2015 yet, and the Zen chips won't launch til sometime in 2016, an optimistic estimate would be Q2 2016. Can you wait a year and a half to build a new system?
An FX 6300 now is a fantastic deal, but it depends on what you're upgrading from, and what you're planning to do with it. You can always wait for the next best thing to come around, but if you do that you'd be waiting forever.
>>45726022
Too bad you can get two of them in a system with 16GB RAM for around the price of the 7850k alone.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-1950-III-Server-2-5-Quad-Core-E5440-2-8GHz-16GB-146GB-Can-Upgrade-/171589918576?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item27f38e5f70
>>45726139
Given the discussion was about Kaveri which is an APU (whether you think it is a good chip or not is irrelevant) faster ram makes a difference for vidya.
>>45726164
>you can buy a seriously old server blade with inferior serial performance for the price of a band new CPU!
Why would anyone ever buy an i7? We need to inform everyone!
>>45726171
No it doesn't.
The tests I saw on an i7 yielded like a 1fps difference between 1333 and 2400.
>>45726190
How about no u.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-amd-a8-7600-kaveri-review
Scroll down for the benchmark testing different ram speeds.
>>45726118
do you know how computers work?
>>45726161
I've waited 7 years. I'm not sure 18 months would be a problem.
>You can always wait for the next best thing to come around, but if you do that you'd be waiting forever.
Aye. I should know better. I'll get a new R9 gpu too.
>>45726186
Kaveri can't stand up to 2008 tech. Haswell can.
>>45726190
super sweet shitty anecdotal story telling bro time fag
>>45726220
Except it can. Lower power consumption, higher serial performance, higher multithreaded performance, better instruction support, better chipset support, etc.
You're trying to compare a used pile of shit server blade off of ebay to a new in box product. Grasp at more straws, autist.
>>45726204
That's for the iGPU.
>>45726290
Right so? The statement was that faster ram does fuck all for Kaveri and I have provided evidence to the contrary.
The whole POINT of an APU is that it is a complete package and will be viewed as such.
>>45726204
That's KAVERI.
It's an APU, we all know that you need fast RAM for an APU because it has no dedicated VRAM.
It's a pretty fucking specific configuration that's only good for low-end work anyway, nobody is playing Crysis 3 on an A6 or rendering videos on an A8.
If I have an i7 or an 8350 the benefit of buying 2400MHz RAM over 1333 or 1600 is absolutely zero, it's a total placebo.
The most gain I've ever seen in-game was 2% in Battlefield 4 going from 1600 to 2400.
Paying out the ass for some XMP 3000MHz shit is a total waste of money.
>>45726317
He was talking about an i7 though. Of course an iGPU that's biggest weakness is low memory bandwidth is going to have massive gains in fps with high speed ram.
>>45726273
>AMD
>ever
>>45726317
Nobody said fast RAM doesn't improve performance on onbaord graphics dipshit.
>>45726346
>passmark
Tech illiterate /v/ retard
Not even in intel biased Cinebench does a 3ghz C2Q Q9650 compare to the A10 7850k.
>>45719485
use AM3+ in a full atx form factor. By the time your processor needs upgrading you'll want a new motherboard too.
>>45726370
>Doesn't know what 2P is.
Go back to your Linux desktop.
>>45725908
That's barely beating it, not destroying, keep dreaming AMD fags, you're just barely beating Intel CPUs from 6 years ago. lol
>>45726399
And losing heavily to entire systems that cost little more than AMD's bare CPU.
>>45726346
>>45726017
Because certain games are more optimized for Intel because of marketing/lazy programmers.
>>45726399
I'm running three AMD systems, one of which is an A6, and I don't know where these delusion Kaveri fanboys are coming from.
>>45726417
At the end of the day, consumers want results, and AMD is not giving them.
Same could be said about stockholders.
>>45726346
>intel is $760
haha 10/10
>>45726340
faster ram makes everything faster
![haha-you-are-poor[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CmfUMKg.jpg "haha-you-are-poor[1].jpg")
>>45726458
>>45726479
im a linux user
>>45726477
See children, this is what happens when mommy uses daddy's money to buy you everything you want so you don't cry like the limp-wristed little queer you are.
>>45726458
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-1950-III-Server-2-5-Quad-Core-E5440-2-8GHz-16GB-146GB-Can-Upgrade-/171589918576?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item27f38e5f70
>>45726479
>server grade hardware
>/v/
>this much autism in one thread
reddit has officially taken over /g/
>>45726502
I was just shitposting, but you really cannot tell anyone that you can humanly see the difference between 1600 and 1833 ram on any system with a dedicated cpu and gpu. APU of course, but he wasn't talking about that.
>>45726440
>it's AMD's fault that programmers are lazy
Do you want a monopoly?
Do you know what happens when you have a monopoly?
Quite frankly I wish x86 would die already.
PowerPC was raping it's ass until 2005 when the engineers got lazy and let the TDP get out of hand.
Viable desktop ARM PCs when?
>>45720260
So no difference really?
>>45726552
kaveris are rated for 2133 ram and most can run at 2400 oficially by the mobo manufacturer
>>45726587
A couple different firms have produced 3ghz Cortex A9 based server chips as of a year or two ago. A 3ghz Cortex A57 chip would absolutely ruin the current Kabini/Beema and Baytrail chips. The Exynos 5433 based ODROID coming out in a few months will be it. Stock clock will be 1.9ghz, but you should be able to hit 2.5ghz with a little heat sink.
>>45726614
>but he wasn't talking about that.
>>45726587
i wanna see sparc take off
the best part is there is a ridiculously nice sparc that is like 8 core with 64 threads and its open source hardware
>>45719485
>What processor do you AMDfags use?
Former AMDfag here, got Core i5 2500K ~3.5 years ago, still using it. Never looked back.
>>45726614
>paying out the ass for 2133/2400 ram when Intel can do it with 1600
Paying for much more expensive ram negates any price advantages the AMD had over the Intel.
>>45719485
former AMD fag
>What processor do you AMDfags use? (I would perfer no iGPU)
3930k, even has no igpu too.
>>45726634
he was trying to downplay the ram speed difference between am3+ and fm2+
>>45726417
Totally not because AMD has shitty architecture that is hard to optimize for.
>>45726622
Interesting.
I hope soon that I will be able to go on Newegg/Amazon/whatever and buy parts to build an ARM desktop PC just like an x86 based computer.
>>45726678
Alright, what part of the architecture is shitty?
rocking an fx-9370 and loving it. Have it paired with an r9 290. Getting a 2nd 290 soon. Plays everything I want. minimum 45 fps. I Might be buying the new x99 system from intel though. I've been using AMD since phenom II was big and I'd like to see what intel offers. I have an Ivy bridge pentium running my file server as is. Very energy efficient and runs cool. I don't know. I'm just really hoping AMD releases something for the enthusiast market soon. Because having to clock my 9370 to 5 ghz or higher to match a 3.5ghz intel chip is just embarrassing.
>>45726678
Its not really about the architecture in itself, but more so about how many cores the program is designed to utilize. Look at Photoshop, Sony vegas, etc. They love moar coars. FX-83xx chips shine in those scenerios. Games? Usually 2-3 cores at most. The architecture is crap because of its horrible single core performance, not that it is harder to code for. Intel is merely faster at single core. Same could be said for intel's hyperthreading. Few programs actually use the 4 hyperthreading "cores" in an i7.
>>45726671
Not him, but I see 2133 go for the same price as 1600 all day everyday on Newegg
>>45726713
>we need moar cores
>but how? these K10.5 cores are pretty big, getting 8 of them on single die with all the required cache is hard
>nah, let's just use two weak integer units with shared FPU and cache and call it 2-core module
>brilliant, what could go wrong :^)
>>45726713
Up to double or even more TDP while giving utterly pathetic performance per clock.
>>45726747
I'm looking at Kingston ram and their 2133 ram are 20+bux more expensive than the 1600 on newegg and the 2400 are almost 30bux more.
That means fuck all to me as newegg doesn't even ship to my side of the pond.
>>45726713
2ALU/2AGU and terrible front end prefetch/branch prediction.
The whole Bulldozer family wastes a lot of cycles dealing with miss penalties. Steamroller isn't nearly as bad as Bulldozer, if it had L3 cache it would be pretty decent, but you might as well wish to win the lotto.
The front end that feeds the cores, and the heart of the cores themselves, the execution pipelines, are extremely limited in Bulldozer family chips. Not just the Flex FPU but the integer cores themselves. They were designed originally with the intention of creating a super small core that made some sacrifices in order to improve compute power per mm2. Unfortunately however the Bulldozer module ended up only being a couple mm2 smaller than 2 K10.5 cores with L2 cache, and the K10.5 cores have much better performance per clock.
>>45726699
I've been in contact with the hardkernel guy for like 5 months now, and we've been talking about their future dev boards. They plan on adding more IO in future models, more USB 3.0, and a USB type C port. There was some talk of e-SATA too. The ARM SoCs are definitely getting to where they need to be in order to be a viable desktop system, and the IO is getting there as well, ARM software support just has to improve and everything will be golden.
>>45726671
intel chips are meant to be used with ddr3 1600 mhz. AMD chips memory controller can handle 1866 as a standard. Anything above 1600 for intel is considered an "overclocked" speed, regardless of what speed you bought it at. The chip itself can actually limit how fast of RAM you can actually use. You might buy 2400mhz RAM, but find the PC won't boot with anything over 2133. Kind of like how every chip is different with overclocking requirements. Voltage, max speed, heat output etc.
as >>45726747 said, 2133 ddr3 is no longer insanely expensive unless you're buying riced out RAM such as corsair dominator platinums. Then you're paying $30-$40 more. Usually faster RAM is about $5-$10 more than 1600 RAM of the same company. G-skill usually has good ram for decent price.
>>45726806
ATX ARM boards when?
>>45726806
Not to mention they missed the clock rate target by over 1 GHz with Bulldozer because of how much power the chip consumed.
>>45726822
>>45726747
RAM speed does not matter if you aren't using integrated graphics
>>45726840
>being this retarded
>>45726840
didn't say it did. Faster RAM can actually increase the score of synthetic benchmarks, but that is pretty much it. But, look at the picture in >>45726822, can you honestly tell me you'd buy the slower RAM? For $4 you get faster better binned RAM which can always be downclocked (usually with tighter timings than lesser speed variants) if need be. At that price point, its a matter of "why not have the faster RAM?"
>>45726822
I only buy Kingston as they have a service center right near me and they replace dimms with new ones no questions asked.
GSkill doesn't even sell ram in my country, Newegg doesn't ship here either.
Still doesn't change the fact that Intel can dish out the performance with just 1600 ram.
With 32GB requirements like myself, 4 dimms would amount to about $130 difference, I could just drop that on a better Intel CPU and call it a day.
>>45726874
Might as well shoot for the cheap shit since it doesn't matter
>>45726806
>ARM software support just has to improve
pretty sure ARM software support is fine
>>45726764
K10.5 cores aren't big though. Two K10.5 cores with 2MB of L2 cache @32nm is 32mm2.
One BD/PD module with 2MB of L2 cache @32nm is 30.9mm2.
The uncore necessary to link the K10.5 cores together is completely marginal, and could have been reduced by other means. The decision to use the Bulldozer arch was 100% a management mistake.
>>45726838
This played a huge role in things as well, it ended up hurting Llano seriously as well. GloFo's 32nm PD-SOI node had horrendous yields and binning issues with cut down the clocks of every chip produced on it. The Original Bulldozer chips were supposed to have a stock clock in the range of 4.5ghz inside of their TDP. Llano could barely hit 3ghz on the node without power consumption exploding when K10 chips on the prior 45nm process could hit 3.7ghz without major issues.
A sub par foundry under delivering coupled with absent minded management is like the recipe for the perfect storm of mediocrity.
>>45726826
Whenever someone takes the risk and fronts the cash for it. Theres literally no technical limitation in place, it all comes down to whether or not they'd be able to sell enough units to recoup the design costs and then turn a profit. Give it a year or two and I think we'll see larger form factor ARM systems than these current dev boards.
>>45726877
ah well that is a predicament most don't face. Nothing wrong with kingston, they're usually just expensive.
>>45726886
I've nothing to say. You're saying you'd pass up on better hardware for $4. If you're penny pinching to that extent, building a computer is not for you.
>I'm no rich money blowing person either. I built my system on an AMD platform for the price:performance. but $4? really?
>Also the gskill 2400 kit has 15% off code.
>>45726822
>AMD chips memory controller can handle 1866
Kaveri is rated at 2133
>>45726939
i was referring to am3+. Sorry, should have clarified.
Yea those APUs handle ridiculous memory clocks and iGPU performance sky rockets.
>I'm thinking of building an itx 7850k build. Liquid cooled using parts I have laying around. Really clock the shit out of it. See what 1080p performance I can squeeze out of it.
>I've seen a few a10 builds with ddr3 2400mhz ram manually clocked to 2800 and performance kept going up.
I personally think there is no tangible ceiling for the iGPU scaling with ram speed yet. I would love to see a ddr4 APU.
>DDR4 4000mhz.
>Getting 55+ fps @ 1080p on high with what amounts to a $400ish build.
I haven't built a computer for myself in the last 6 or so years but I've spent over 31,696.36 USD building computers for other people.
Anything from sub $300 to $1.5k+ builds, sometimes bulk orders, yes, fuckers will complain about every fucking penny.
Anybody from home users, to multi factory printing presses to advertisement design, fucking factory owners driving BMW X6s blowing hundreds of dollars on a single meal, yet complain about the price of a single dimm fucking ram.
>>45726990
DDR4 would be nice, but maybe when it doesn't cost more than the APU, just wait for the next generation, they might have some 3D RAM on die for the iGPU
>>45726990
>I personally think there is no tangible ceiling for the iGPU scaling with ram speed yet. I would love to see a ddr4 APU.
>>DDR4 4000mhz.
>>Getting 55+ fps @ 1080p on high with what amounts to a $400ish build.
This will be in the future most definitely. Sadly, not yet. For now, one must shit out cash for a $300 room heater to play new games.
>>45727017
I know what you mean. I build computers for people myself. Guy I work with didn't bat an eye when I told him the final price of his work station PC he was using for photo and video editing.
>fx-8320 with hyper 212 evo
>gtx 660 ti (was on sale, good for 3 monitors and cheap CUDA accerleration)
>750 watt PSU
>2 23inch 1080 monitors
>3 2TB hdds
>2 250 gb crucial ssds
>1 128gb crucial boot ssd
>32gb ram
He spent $1300 for everything.
Other co worker wanted an office build with ssd and I manage to plan out a $400 build that would do everything he wanted and more with reliable parts
>scoffs at the idea of paying my $80 to hand pick the parts, go get the parts from the store on my own time in my own vehicle using my gas, build it, install windows 7 (that I provide), and give him a fully functional PC with all anti-virus etc.
He honestly tried talking me down to $30.
>>45726990
>thinking GPUs scale infinitely with memory speed
It's 512 cores. For the same price you can get an 860K and 260X and get 896 cores with 6.5GHz GDDR5.
>>45727056
>inb4 m-muh HSA
>tfw when AMD could just have released an 8 core Phenom.
>>45727051
I only get $32 USD per computer build, and people try to talk me down to $9.5
Fucking third world shit holes.
One of the worst jobs I took was reinstalling a computer, rewiring an office network and then having to somehow re-setup their email server when they didn't know the fucking account and password to their own fucking servers.
Had to call their past tech guy and luckily he kept a record of that shit.
All for $16 bux.
Needless to say I don't really take on those jobs anymore. I do translating work now although that only nets me $300 USD average a month.
BBA degree with full honors and a minor in English means jack shit.
just get a 4570 and cheap mobo
it has better price performance than anything AMD
>>45727050
On a dual channel IMC, 4000mhz DDR4 would give you 64GB/s bandwidth. The Reference Radeon 7750 has 72GB/s if I recall.
However with the color compression implemented in Tonga you could have an effective 89GB/s which would give you enough bandwidth to more than adequately feed 8 GCN 1.1 CU, you could get away with 10 even.
HBM however is the answer to the IGP memory bottleneck, and we won't have it on an APU until the Zen chips launch.
Pic related, the DDR3 variant of the Radeon 7750 is very close to how the Kaveri A10 7850k performs with 2400mhz RAM. Just giving those shaders adequate bandwidth would net a huge performance increase, though even that isn't enough. For appreciable gaming performance you need more CU, and that requires even more bandwidth. HBM is the only answer.
>>45727051
>aftermarket cpu cooler for a dumb client
Good one there, charlie
>>45719485
>>45720060
I got a 7850k with an A88X board. I'm happy with it.
>>45727115
I have the 650TI on an old Core 2 Quad DDR2 system pushing 3 1080P screens and 1 1080P TV
Best $100bux I've ever spent, after the headache that was the HD6850
>>45724706
>Mfw I write 2000tb's a week
>Mfw ssd's will never work for me
>>45727202
Well hurry up and tell us why you write so much instead of waiting for someone to ask.
>>45727202
>2000TB
>a week
>nearly 2PB in 168 hours
>on a mechanical drive
Guess how I know you're fucking retarded and a liar?
>>45727230
>>nearly 2PB in 168 hours
That is actually reasonable on tape drives. Those fuckers can read/write extremely fast.
>>45727230
>Implying only one drive
>>45727247
>comments on the endurance of a single drive
>"hurrr durrrr I write so much"
>'b-b-b-b-butt on more than one drive...."
Go slit your throat for being this dumb.
A single 256gb 850 Pro drive can withstand 8PB of writes and keep going.
No mechanical drive in existence will outlive a modern SSD.
>>45727103
8^(
>>45727118
>AMD stock cooler
>>45726417
>more optimized for Intel
The correct term is "weaker single-thread performance"
Next
>>45724811
>no argument so betr use le meme xdddddd
>>45724811
actually it's quite funny how IRL you rarely see any rich and succesful looking AMD users
it's always the poor and hippie looking types who lug AMD laptops on university lectures or use them during train trips
i must admit I'm typing this message on cheapo AMD laptop which I got only because I couldn't afford intel
>>45719485
My AMD graphics card has failed. I have updated it and everything, but it still crashes my whole computer if it's not deactivated and disconnected from the monitor.
What should I replace it with? I like that NVIDIA fucks with freetards.
Guys I am still running an OC'd Phenom II X4 965 BE from years ago and I have to reason to upgrade
I wouldn't bother, I'm as big an AMD fanboy as you'll ever meet and even I had to go with Intel. I couldn't wait on my Phenom II X4 955 BE for AMD to final pull their thumb out their ass and make a decent chip that isn't just MORE CORES
I do have a R9 290 though, cause I got an insane deal on it at the time and the 900 series hadn't been released yet
>>45727118
did it because he knows his programs were CPU intensive and knew the CPU fan would go crazy trying to keep it all cool on the stock cooler. First guy was my ideal customer example. i.e. not an idiot. Not everyone overclocks their CPU but 2 120mm fans spinning at 1k rpm > 70mm fan spinning at 4k rpm any day.
>>45728051
Honestly, I would have gone with an Xeon build with that kind of budget.
>>45727715
The only reasons I have to upgrade from my Phenom II x2 are GAYMEN and Visualization.
moar coarz
moar featurez
fastez RAM
>>45727715
I only want to upgrade to a Xeon based 1150 system for 32GB ram, native USB3.0 and SATAIII
Running 8GB DDR2 and SATAII hurts. I have a pcie USB3.0 card though.
