>Hard drive platter
>Shaped like a small CD
>Stores 300GB per side
Why is Mr Sheckleburg still trying to market 50GB Blu-Ray discs when a better alternative has been around for years?
>>43314983
what do you mean? Ever touched one of those platters? They are incredibly sensitive
>>43314983
To sensitive to be used as a disc, also please do /g/ a favor and never post again :-)
>windows users logic
>>43314983
Those platters only work in a sealed environment, dumbass.
>>43314983
Those platters are beyond magnetically sensitive. Touching one, possibly direct sunlight, or being near a speaker is going to corrupt data on it. Without the protective shell of a hard drive case they're worthless, and at that point you're just carrying around a hard drive.
>>43314983
>needs to be encased because dust fucks it up
>providing a disc with encasing, smaller mechanisms and a connector in a cartridge format would make it considerably more expensive
>Enjoy paying 200 bucks for two upscaled 4k episodes of Seinfeld.
>>43315043
they actually don't require it just to work.
The myth of "don't open the HDD, you'll destroy it" was created by data recovery companies.
But it's sensitive to dust, true, so opening one in dusty environment can shorten it's lifespan significantly
>>43315114
Jesus fucking Christ, are you retarded or bipolar?
>>43315114
They need to be sealed because hard disks have very small, delicate heads that could be damaged by contacting even one speck of dust.
>>43314983
The funny thing is OP isn't trolling or trying to be ironic
>>43315164
He does have a point though, that being BDs are absolutely retarded for what they are.
Truth is optical discs are dead.
They're incredibly sensitive to dust, touch, magnetism, etc.
Just open your hard drive, then close it back up and see how well it works afterwards.
The tiny bits of oil your fingers leave behind on the platters are enough to completely fuck over the read heads
There is no reason to buy rewritable optical media anymore, we all know this.
OP, a hard drive disc is a magnetised disc, sensitive to light, your fingers, dust, warmth, cold.
Not to mention that you need something more sensitive than a record stylus to read them.
>>43315114
You're a fucking idiot.
>>43315151
>>43315158
>>43315271
>they didn't try to run a open hard drive
/g/ 2014
>>43314983
hdd's don't need to worry about being exposed to scratches, dust, or fingerprints
try taking the cover off a hdd and see how long it last before it coughs and dies from exposure
itt true inbred logic
Opening a HDD is very similar to opening an incandescent light bulb
>>43315114
So if I have a hard drive full of Cat Pictures and want to get rid of it quick, forget DBAN just open the case and it's all gone?
>>43316388
hdd platters are often glass, just stab it with a screwdriver and bam, useless shards
>>43315082
>>Enjoy paying 200 bucks for two upscaled 4k episodes of Seinfeld.
Do I at least get to choose which episodes I get?
>>43316388
no
thermite is what you need
>>43316418
>glass
w-what is magnetism?
on that note, why the fuck are there holes in the middle of DVDs and BluRay discs? that's like, at least a few gigabytes of wasted space on there, why the fuck wouldn't you use that area? we've been getting shekeled out of extra storage space for fucking years by now
>>43316502
Something that works on the thin metal film coating the glass disc.
Not that anon but I thought this was common knowledge on /g/. We call them spinning metal discs but that's like calling a CPU heavily processed sand. It's not sand, it never was.
>>43316521
How do you suggest we spin the disc around?
>>43316502
now comes in coating form
>>43316558
by the edges?
>>43316558
three or four wheels on the disc edge, all spinning to spin the disc.
Blank blu-rays are the most cost effective backup storage, only second to tapes.
>>43316558
wait a minute..
they spin?
Want to fuck up a drive beyond recovery?
Find the part on the drive casing that says "warranty void if seal is broken". This is covering a small hole that's official purpose is undocumented. Jab it with a screwdriver (while the drive is turned off you mongoloid) and pour half a tablespoon of sand in. Turn drive on. Congratulations, it's dead Jim.
>>43316603
durr?
>>43316558
why not spin laser?
or better 2
>>43316558
we have the disc reader spin under it, like it's attached to an arm that spins like a propeller but it has a laser on it that can read the discs
>>43316558
Spin the laser around the disk. The disk itself stays stationary.
>>43316558
just spin cd drive
>tfw i dropped my harddrive from about 3.5ft off the ground
still works but holy shit that was scary
This thread confirms that over half of /g/ is retarded.
>>43316613
>Want to fuck up a drive beyond recovery?
>Find the part on the drive casing that says "warranty void if seal is broken". This is covering a small hole that's official purpose is undocumented. Jab it with a screwdriver (while the drive is turned off you mongoloid) and pour half a tablespoon of sand in. Turn drive on. Congratulations, it's dead Jim.
Do you work for the IRS?
>>43316694
i agree my fellow enlightened being
>>43316694
I'd like to believe everyone is just trolling good, but at this point I'm not so sure.
>>43316558
one laser with small rotating mirrors...
>>43316750
why not just use a prism? split the beam and read multiple parts of the disc at the same time. why the fuck hasn't this been done before? is everyone at intel retarded?
Why not put hard drive platters into little cases like MiniDiscs and have a special drive that reads them? It could be called HD-DISC or something
>>43316750
>>43316628
>>43316627
>>43316624
>>43316596
If these ideas are so great, why has nobody tried them yet ;)
>>43316787
because they're not, they're jokes
>>43316613
Why bother doing it with the drive off if your intention is to break it anyway? I say insert foreign object while it's still spinning and hear the glorious scraping of doom
>>43316787
because no patents on old design
why bother invent something?
>>43316785
i don't think you quite understand how precise hdd internals are
hdd's main advantage is the fact that the internals of the drive are a controlled environment
>>43316785
Or little flexible magnetic discs in the casing? We could call them oh wait
what if laser could rotate at 52x
and the cd would rotate at 52x
sounds too cool?
>>43316810
Well sure if you want to lose an eye in the process
>>43316854
Wha, you think /g/ is being serious here?
>>43314983
Because ZIP drives were a monumental failure
>>43316856
All part of the experience - no sabretooth tigers any more and we need some danger in our lives.
>>43316897
I think this board, yes, really is that stupid.
Some platters you can actually drop on the floor, re-mount into the chassis and it'll still work.
Hitachis I find are the toughest with regards to how robust the internals are. It's surprising how many of those I get working in work despite being less than gentle with them.
>>43317023
I've always heard that Seagates were a junk brand.
>>43316959
>I think this board, yes, really is that stupid.
FUCKING THIS
Some people here are fucking retarded
I saw a guy argue a T61 has a more powerful CPU than a 2014 macbook for god's sake
>>43317048
at least there's proof of that
what if we use more platters?
one on another
>>43317048
>seriously implying it doesn't
It was already done.
Iomega REV is exactly that, never caught on since cloud thing.
>>43317048
speak of the devil!
>>43316959
>>43317048
>>43317070
http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S43300954
>>43316647
Spin the whole computer around
>>43317046
They're not exactly great, some of them have the dumbest issues and recently the newer models (ending DM00x) have a firmware issue nobody's figured out how to fix yet since they aren't receptive to using modules from another drive like WDs are.
>>43317048
Well to be fair they are not really comparable are they
>>43317094
missed that one
wow.
just wow.
that is...
... just wow.
>>43316613
>official purpose is undocumented
No it's not, hole should never be covered and it's there for pressure equalization.
>>43317070
>>43317073
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core2-Duo-T7300-vs-Intel-4260U
That's the shittiest macbook air by the way
>>43317046
Seagate has been a crap hard disk since then 80s. These buggers (and I should really save this for the retro thread) had a large run of defective units due to a certain solder joint issue.
>>43317166
there was another source with PTS benchmarks iirc
well aware it's the shittiest air, still funny though
>>43317219
>there was another source with PTS benchmarks iirc
It was a 2010 Macbook, and theyr were faked (cpuboss shows the macbook is superior, though not by too much)
Also just for fun, here's with a top of the line rMBP: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core2-Duo-T7300-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4950HQ
>>43317046
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/seagate-firmware-7200.11-drives-bricking,6885.html
Lel.
>>43315345
I somewhat doubt it was perpetuated by data recovery companies. It's probably perpetuated by people tired of others coming in with broken HDDs.
>opening the hard disk kills the platters
Is obviously not true. There's air in there in the first place (with the exception of HGST He6 drives). Dust on the platters (can) cause bad sectors, which is a mostly recoverable error. It's not a good idea to open a hard disk anywhere that isn't a clean room but it can be done to, for example, fix a stuck head. However when closing it you should use a screw driver that clicks after hitting the right tension, something that most people don't have on hand, and you cannot reasonably trust the drive after having opened it in an unclean environment so it should only be done for recovery purposes.
a burned disc might last 15-20 years in ideal storage conditions.
a hard drive is constantly at risk of failing outright. they'll last about 7 years in full operation; longer only if it is a storage volume, and even longer if you fill it up and discontinue using it.
i've yet to find out for myself if leaving a hard drive out of operation for an extended period of time actually damages data or not. it just seems like a FUD IT rumor to me but must have some truth to it.
if i were to back something important up i'd certainly trust a BD+R DL more than i'd trust a magnetic hard drive. at least i can make multiple disc copies on the cheap. (take this from someone who's trusty 500GB WD system volume failed on them just last night taking everything i couldn't be fucked to back up with it).
RIP in peace - my data 2007 - 2014
>>43317484
Do not trust optical storage that you yourself write. It contains a light sensitive material and the simple act of leaving it in the sun can kill it really quickly.
If you need long term storage, you want CF cards or in the case of large amounts of data, multiple offsite backups from multiple live companies.
>>43317484
if you're using optical discs for long term backups, you should consider using dvdisaster as well
it's a programs that uses spare space to augment images with additional error correction information
for example, if you make a 3G iso and plan to burn it onto a 4.38G dvd-r, you can fill in that 1.38G with extra ECC, making the disc far more resilient to damage (it can take more read errors without data loss)
>>43317539
why on earth would you leave backups lying in the sun? they'd be in a case in a cupboard or something, not anywhere where heat and light can get to them
>>43317576
It's not that any sane person would leave it in the sun, it's that a very small mistake can absolutely wipe out your storage medium. At some point someone might move it and leave it on a desk for a couple of hours 8 years down the road and your already fragile disk gets murdered. CF cards are much more resilient. Furthermore, as CDs have shown, they don't last anywhere near 15-20 years. Not even 10 years under normal conditions. I can't imagine DVDs are any better.
>>43317552
great suggestion. thanks
>>43317539
please, never backup important data to a cf card.
>>43317484
>a hard drive is constantly at risk of failing outright. they'll last about 7 years in full operation
Honestly, in 19 years of computing I only had one hard disk die of natural causes.
what do you think of m-discs?
>>43317646
What other commonly available storage medium with a proven track record of long term data retention and fault tolerance would you use then?
>>43317702
magnetic tape
>>43317651
>tfw still rocking a ten year old hard drive that was once used in a server and had constant reading/writing for 4 years straight.
>>43317702
>>43317744
LHC uses tape, because it is very resilient to errors, very fast to write, very fast to read, and stores a shit ton of data per $.
Just seeking on them is painfully slow, but for the LHC, it doesn't need to seek.
>>43317744
I've never used magnetic tape, mostly because drives are ridiculously expensive, but I wouldn't trust it for a few reasons:
* It's uncertain whether you can actually read it back
* You might not even be able to get a drive to read it when you need it
Much like a proprietary hardware RAID controller, once it's discontinued your data is effectively at the mercy of that single point of failure. Using a couple of CF cards to, for example, back up your key to encrypted storage held by multiple companies will at least ensure that you won't see interface incompatibilities for the foreseeable future and also not set you back thousands of dollars.
>>43317651
This was a 530MB drive in a 486 which kept producing "Seek Error Reading Drive C" messages at the DOS prompt, although I could also point out that it was almost completely full and that could have potentially caused problems as well. I had a 20GB drive die from crashing because the computer it was in tipped over while in use. Other than that, nothing in the way of outright drive failures.
>>43317832
sure, you can live with your delusions, but please, don't push your uninformed advice into other people.
>>43317484
>RIP in peace - my data 2007 - 2014
There are hard drive recovery solutions...They cost around 1,500-2,000 dollars per drive but it's well worth it.
>>43317381
This.
>>43317484
A mechanical hard drive is a solid option for long term storage when without power. Magnetic tape and platters suffer the least from bitrot/degradation, though are more susceptible to their environments. Under normal conditions, the only time a hard drive really suffers wear is when it is spun up or spun down or under constant read/write. When kept at speed (no power saving in use), the wear is minimal.
>>43315271
>>43315158
>>43315151
If your hard drive was sealed it wouldn't work you stupid shits.
There's a reason there are holes with DO NOT COVER written next to them on hard drives, mainly laptop hard drives.
If you had a vaccum or whatever you retards are thinking the drive the head would fail to hover over the disk and it wouldn't work.
>>43317899
They say it's better to set your hard disk to not shut off after, like, 30 minutes of use because powering up/down strains the drive mechanism. It works on the same principle of how stop-and-go driving is harder on your car than highway driving.
>>43314983
The HDD is a carefully calibrated device with barely any tolerances. The distance from the read head to the platter is miniscule. The platter's mounting is carefully balanced so it can spin at high speed without issue. The servos on the read head are incredibly accurate.
Since touching the HDD platter damages it, you'd have to have a container, like a diskette, and then in order to make it work on a system of such loose tolerances you'd have to significantly reduce both capacity and speed.
Either that, or you make it all self contained.. oh wait, that's called a hard drive..
>>43314983
optical discs are still attractive to some businesses because they do have a very long theoretical shelf life, lighter than a drive, and will use less electricity. not to mention, there is a certain amount of data security knowing that if an optical disc fails, you will lose 50gb, rather than 500gb,1tb, whatever if one mechanical drive fails.
also, promoting a technology and increasing the demand for it will lower costs of it in the long run.
>>43317886
i will try to recover it with a usb external drive hub first. the last time i had a drive failure was with an identical drive. it gave off warning signs of imminent failure by constantly refusing to spin up, making loud unordinary sounds, and disappearing from windows explorer, but it wasn't dead yet. i managed to get every bit of data off of that drive with the external hub, but with this other drive i'm not sure that method will work, since it failed outright without warning. could be a logic board failure, could be something more serious. i don't have the money or spare storage to be attempting recovery right now, so i'm not going to touch it until i do.
really the only things i want off of it are my years of documents, art and video projects, maybe some save games and my libraries if i can get the damn thing to read for an extended period of time. i foolishly never got around to backing up my data recently because my optical drive died.
btw this is a solemn reminder to anyone who reads this to back up your important data. today.
>>43318110
Plus optical discs are the cheapest media in existence to manufacture and purchase.
>>43316434
No. Pilot and soup nazi.
I have an old Thinkpad from 97 with a 2GB drive. It does have a lot of problems spinning up when not powered on for a while, although I've never failed to get it working. It has no bad sectors and once started up, exhibits no other unusual behavior so IDK.
>>43318120
you may have more luck using linux to read your drive. i had a drive that windows refused to mount, but linux + ntfs-3g mounted it fine. in copying the data to a better drive, a few files failed to copy and really slowed down the process to transfer about 800gb of pirated music, mv, movies, etc. i remember it taking about 10 hours, but i got most of it back.
never buy an external seagate drive.
>>43318204
>never buy a seagate drive
FTFY.
![inside_floppy_disk[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vkPG8T1.jpg "inside_floppy_disk[1].jpg")
How about these guys?
>>43317484
>(take this from someone who's trusty 500GB WD system volume failed on them just last night taking everything i couldn't be fucked to back up with it).
Clicking issue?
>>43318361
Since when were floppies ever used for serious backups? Even in the 80s, it was normal to use tapes for that.
>>43315029
coat the whole thing in epoxy, problem solved
>>43318110
>theoretical shelf life
It's not so theoretical anymore. It's pretty much a given that optical media is the king of long term backups.
Pic very related.
>>43317953
ever open a hard drive?
because if you did, you would know there is a small baffle and rather thick filter for that tiny hole
>>43317207
I've got some old 8 & 10 gb seagate drives that i'm 100% confident would still work.
Console plebs are more proficient at repairing hardware than master race..
I too was once a console pleb and I can fix most anything with a soldering iron.
>>43318361
hey look, self cleaning!
>>43317381
actually, I think it is perpetuated by idiots who've never heard of a torque screwdriver
BD was created for DRM shit.
I have a bunch of old 500MB, 1GB, 2GB, drives
I use them as backups.
>>43318462
So are most peoples cases here. Does that make them sealed?
Yes you don't want dust in shit in there, but to say your hard drives are sealed is just misleading. The fact someone got called out for (correctly) stating a hard drive can work with the top off strongly implied people were thinking it was sealed to the outside, which is completely wrong.
And yes, I know the drive will die a lot faster with the top removed, even the guy who got called out acknowledged that. I find it ridiculous that someone got called retarded for saying something factual.
>>43318644
Well technically a floppy disk drive would "work" in lava for a couple of nano seconds. He's still a retard for bringing it up though
>>43318719
A an exposed hard drive will work fine for a lot longer than you're thinking.
Go find an old drive and open it up some time, it's not like as soon as a piece of dust gets on it the drive fails. Fuck, even grease from your fingers won't cause that instantly.
>>43318771
i've done it once before
went about 5 minutes before it started to reread things, after about 10 minutes it had random read errors, didn't touch the platter
>>43318771
>open up a high voltage device that spins at 75,000 RPM
Yeah okay, I'll go make some cool crystals using that guide on /b/ first, though
>>43319013
>75000RPM
Hahaha.
We do it in work fairly often to check for motor failure.
>>43319013
>>43319013
>75,000 RPM
Try 10 times slower
Also the drives are screwed in you gigantic faggot
It's sad how easy you guys took his bait.
>>43319013
from the quality of this post, I would say you are 10 and your mom was a /b/tard who made those crystals while you were shitposting in the womb
>>43318393
Good luck writing to it or reading from it.
>>43316558
Spin entire disk player
Ugh. I'm just gonna go ahead and say OP is a troll.
However it would probably be more convenient if you could have a sealed hdd instead of a bluray disc.
>>43315271
b-but anon... i opened my hard drive because i was curious then closed it back up. im sure SOME dust got in and its in my parents PC right now. still werks.
>>43319687
So his mom swallow a laptop?
>>43316558
I used to have a stereo where you put the disc upside down on a rotating disc.
Was comfy as fuck
>>43315007
The last one I touched cried. Then the cops came and I was vaned.
>>43317625
I've got music cd's second hand that came out in the 90's.
Also, I recently tested some old home burned cd's of Netware clients. The files were bretty gud.
>>43318381
install a linux boot/emergency cd, then copy data to your lan.
>>43316787
thread made me laugh. I farted too.
I'm stuck in some hotel near LAX waiting for my gf to finish up an interview, thanks for the laughs /g/
>>43316750
>>43316338
>>43315271
>>43315158
>>43315151
>data recovery specialists.
lol you can also freeze a clicking drive in a ziplock bag for and hour, pull it out and dd the data off in a hurry. bonus points for running your cables into the freezer for extra time
>>43317086
>iomega
never again
>>43317256
>watercooling
>laptop
Wat
