Who else here is waiting for Zen to build a PC?
whew, didn't know zen could actually build a pc, pretty intense
Because of Intel getting stale-as-shit after AMD stopped being competitive in the high end market I built the rig that I put together January using a second hand i7 950 and motherboard. Some people would consider combining that with a GTX 970 a slightly odd combination, but I do GPGPU work on the machine so the CPU doesn't even matter all that much. I was considering a new rig for quite a long time and put it off until January of last year after the FX-8350 turned out to be such a disappointment.
If Zen is another disappointment then I'll probably stick with my 950, if not, then I'll upgrade my rig with one.
I'll only buy it if the IPC is near Haswell and the 8 core version is under $500
I don't care for TDP, it can be 200W
I'd wait for Zen but Hackintoshes work shit with AMD. I wonder if there will ever be a time where AMD will actually be good enough that Apple will use their CPUs.
>>52221201
Because Apple really give a shit about performance. The Intel CPUs in many of their products thermal throttle hard because they value silence and aesthetics over proper cooling.
Incidentally, AMD are strongly rumoured to be working on the guys of the next iMac.
http://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/Rumor-Apple-Use-Custom-AMD-SoC-Next-Gen-iMac
>>52221252
*guts of
I've been using my Phenom II for the last 6-ish years. That's more than enough time to have saved up for new hardware. I'll probably be a day 1 buyer for Zen.
>who else is waiting to build a pc based on some random graph.
Enjoy never building a pc because there is always something better around the corner.
>>52221252
This would be fucking insane for AMD. Probably enough for them to make a comeback.
Come in iMac's? They'll make their way down to MacBooks, Mac Mini's, etc.
>>52219076
I really hope Zen will be better than my 2600k for reasonable price.
>>52221252
They may favor aesthetics but they still care about performance. They'll put in a overkill CPU to run it at lower clocks is the idea. Kinda the same thing as the 8370e. iMacs have less of a priority for performance anyway. The Mac Pro only thermal throttles when using benchmarks that basically puts everything at full load.
>>52221298
>They'll make their way down to MacBooks
Not unless they improve their TDP they won't
>>52221309
It'll be a cheap sidegrade if you want DDR4 or something
>>52221364
It's got to. Finfet and 14nm right? Otherwise RIP AMD.
>>52219076
I'm hoping to build a new machine late next year and if Zen delivers I will be picking one up. My 6300 has done well, but it is starting to show its age.
If AMD also delivers on getting their open source graphics drivers up to par I'll probably also pick up the best supported and fastest card for use with AMDGPU. Right now even with the latest patches Fury cards are still often slower than the 380x, and older cards like the 280.
>>52221455
They will, the question is will it be enough. Probably not.
>>52219076
>will matches 6700k performance
>but never beat 5960x or other xeon
>high power consumption/aio cooler recommended
>literally the cpu story version of fury x
much as i'd like amd to knock it out of the park it's not worth waiting 10 months for what history suggests will be at best a step behind.
if amd has a second coming i think it will be a slow burn borne of intel laziness
>>52221520
>implying the fury x doesn't beat the 980ti
I bet you are retarded enough to test these at 1080p.
>>52221496
If Jim "Shitwrecker" Keller, a brand new architecture and 14nm can't make AMD competitive again, they should just shut the place down.
>>52219076
If Zen is any good I won't be able to afford it. That's why I bit the bullet and put together this $315 shitbox.
4.1GHz stock volts.
Hoping I can upgrade up 5 year old CPU! DESU I really just want ITX but not enough to buy something right now
nah my 2500K is still going strong
Not gonna upgrade until it breaks on me or there is some major new thing that suddenly requires so much more CPU power
But I would be glad if AMD finally stepped up their game. Competition in this field can only be good
>>52221999
>I really just want ITX
then it's either intel or FM trash
Who else just said yolo because waiting for zen and other things is just going to be a huge waste of time
>>52222173
>yolo
ughh, me. AMD better not fucking let us down this time else I'm switching over to intel for good.
>>52222189
>not saying yolo
>2016
get with the times retard
>>52222364
Go back to reddit senpai
>>52222364
You should go back to 2013.
who else here still "good enough" ?
>>52222301
please kill yourself newfag
>>52221567
the Fury beats the 980ti by 1-4fps at 4k depending on the game, but the 980ti is hands down the winner at resolutions people actually use
>>52222564
*tripfag
I've actually been here for many years, it's just recently that I started using a tripcode.
>>52222592
Do yourself a favor and stop. Not because there is anything inherently wrong with it, but because a few years from now you'll be able to find all your old posts and you'll probably cringe. Happened to me.
I'm waiting until I grow a pair of balls. I've had so much bad luck with tech in my life that I'd probably kill my first build or myself before I got windows running.
>>52219076
Yep
Mainly because I'm sick of intel/Nvidia being botnet cyberjews
>>52222642
I always cringe at the stupid shit that I post. It almost makes me want to... vomit.
I like it though, all that cringe is a part of me and it helps me become a smarter person. My trip isn't going away anytime soon.
You shouldn't pretend like your past doesn't exist. That cringe posting faggot from the past is you. You forget the cringe and you'll start to forget yourself too.
Anyway, how do you think Zen will pan out? Do you think it will just be another faildozer?
Does anyone else not give two shits about single threaded performance? I'm still rocking my i7 920 at 4Ghz I bought for $299 in 2009. Its funny because after half a decade intel still can't offer a better CPU for the same price. I still max every game at 1440p, and rarely see the CPU above 50% on any thread when gaming. The cheapest 8 threaded intel is still over $300, and even if the i5s are faster, I want to start messing with vga-passthrough which only the i7s support.
It kills me to have to pay $300+ again for a new intel which is a pretty much a functional side grade performance wise. If AMD can deliver Zen with sandy bridge level performance, 8 threads, IOMMU, for $200 I'd never look back to intel. It still would be a piss poor upgrade, but at least I could build a new PC without feeling I got completely fucked over.
>>52222754
It's not that hard really. Just make sure to watch a couple of youtube pc building tutorials and have a firm grasp of what not to do (like get a 430w psu for an fx-9590 + fury x build).
If you have the money to spare make a ~$150 FM1 build to practice your 1337 skills once you understand how to put together a custom pc.
>>52222754
Its like legos, its hard to break shit. Even if you're a dipshit like me and bend the shit out of your CPU pins, I just told them their instructions were confusing and made me do it and they replaced it for free.
>>52222876
>Even if you're a dipshit like me and bend the shit out of your CPU pins,
my brother fucking inserted a CPU without loosing the ZIF lever. it didn't actually go in all the way, unbeknownst to him. he bent a shitload of pins ripping it out (ugh, again, not loosing it)
microcenter exchange? no problem!
>>52219076
just gonna build a new AMD pc in a week...performance is perfectly fine. outside of benchmarks most users wont notice the difference anyway.
>>52221520
>14nm
>Water cooling recommended
They're not going to be Bulldozer-based, Anon.
>>52222788
>Anyway, how do you think Zen will pan out? Do you think it will just be another faildozer?
Considering that:
a) AMD admitted to Bulldozer and its concept being a failure
b) Jim Keller, who designed both AMD's most successful K7 and K8 was on board to do the design.
and
c) It's heavily implied of them following Intel's SMT model on Zen.
I doubt it'll be a failure, but I also doubt that it'll beat Intels offering. At best case it will be a match to Cannonlake, probably more likely Skylake or Haswell. If it lands at least where the Phenom II was at its time, I'll be happy.
>>52222922
I wish my country had such good customer service. Canada computers wouldn't even sell me something on their website price since the price on the shelf was out of date :/ Plus we pay 2x the tax you do
>>52223127
>I wish my country had such good customer service
honestly they probably shouldn't have per even the company's rules.
they just employ idiot kids who are thrilled at the prospect of discounts on consumer electronics
>>52222876
>>52222876
>>52222853
Ive watched enough tutorials and read stuff to know how a build works basically and part compatibility, I'm more worried about shocking parts, or my shit getting fucked from not having a surge protector. Also also installing windows on an SSD instead of the HDD, updating drivers. I'd do something wrong.
>>52219076
Fuck that.
An i5-6500 is $160 on jet.
>>52221601
>they should just shut the place down
They will have to, because AMD will be buried in billions of debt with no more ways out.
>>52223165
Well we all have to take risks anon-kun. That's just how life is you know. It's only through pain and suffering that you get to reap rewards most of the time.
Think about the FM1 build I mentioned. It would help you better understand the hardware and software aspects of building a PC and should anything go wrong, you won't go bankrupt.
>>52223165
if youre paranoid just spend the few dollars on an anti static wrist band
>>52223076
>SMT model
Explain?
>>52222848
Still rocking my i7 920, running at stock still too, no need for the overclock. Would love to do the IOMMU pass through stuff, but fucking ASUS broke the translation table in their BIOS and never fixed it.
>>52223228
IF Zen flops. Zen doesn't even have to be super fucking 1337 to succeed. Even if they only get 20% better ipc compared to excavator (approx sandy bridge performance) it would still be enough to fucking wreck intels shit if AMD sold a quad-core zen APU for around $100.
>>52223302
>Even if they only get 20% better ipc compared to excavator (approx sandy bridge performance) it would still be enough to fucking wreck intels shit if AMD sold a quad-core zen APU for around $100.
even if they don't people lap that shit up and buy it in droves. cheap OEMs like the APUs.
/g/ isn't a representative sample
>>52223302
they are not the pos fx8350 is still 180$ you can get a 4690 for 20 bucks more...
i like amd gpu's but they cpu's are shit.
>>52223292
Simultaneous multithreading, also known as Hyperthreading from Intel.
>>52223195
I got my mobo off there in November. Good place.
>>52223329
Zen is going to change that though. Single thread performance will match sandy vagina at minimum.
i already have zen.
its called haswell-e.
core count and the performance. why wait for haswell when it already landed in 2013?
plus broadwell-e is coming out this year. faster performance and zens core count.
>>52223076
amd already stated it will match haswell's performance.
>>52219234
an i7 950 is still a good processor really
>>52223442
The proof is in the pudding. Only a matter of months now.
>>52223442
No they didn't anon.
They said 40% over piledriver
you and other anons said the haswell lie and continue to spread it.
>>52223431
>broadwell-e
>>52223431
>more than twice the price
you must think you're a special snowflake
>>52223302
>wreck Intel's shit
You really don't understand Intel's profit margins and how tiny their cores are, do you?
AMD can't win a price war with Intel. If they were to release a quad at $100 that cut into the i5, Intel would just make a quad-core their base product. Intel's wasting half their die space on graphics and still making an absurd profit. If they cut the IGP down to the bare minimum they could probably still make a profit off a $50 quad. They'd roll out hexes and octos above that.
Don't expect Zen to be anything. AMD can't afford it. They're going to price it as high as its performance will allow. If it beats Intel you're not going to be able to afford it. If it doesn't, you're looking at no different than now, because you already have a range of processors that fit into Intel's pricing structure. Variations of Zen replacing the FX isn't going to change anything.
>>52223414
thats actually fucking horrible considering amd has double the power consumption
like i said get a fucking haswell and just forget about it
>>52223500
What doesn't make any sense is how AMD can be in ALL CONSOLES, but still need to fix their CPU shit.
>>52223500
> If they cut the IGP down to the bare minimum
and lose their mobile and prebuilt market
yes.
Intel Xeon is Intel's non-IGP chips and it'll say like that. The IGP is a key part of Intel and it will stay that way.
>>52223355
I know.
Its a bargain to get parts from there since all you need is a coupon like GET20OFF and its cheaper than everywhere else.
Bought ram and hard drives from there.
I hope it beats Amazon
>>52223467
awww yisssss
>>52223472
OPs image actually says 40% better IPC than Excavator, not Piledriver.
>>52223472
*excavator
A 40% better IPC over excavator means at least i5 haswell performance. Excavator is said have around 10% better IPC over steamroller (kaveri).
The question is if we will get that fuckton huge 40% better IPC. I'm hoping we do but I would settle for 30%. Hell I might even settle for 20% if they give us zen cheap enough.
>>52219076
Doesn't AMD do this every time? As in release some graph stating their new CPU will be super powerful, but it ends up only slightly better than the previous gen?
>>52223628
no? Zen is also a new architecture...
>>52223534
You didn't know Intel already has different lines for mobile and desktop?
>>52223651
I'm pretty sure they do.
>>52223685
Show us an example then anon. Or are you just here to spread lies?
but what if i have applications where HPC actually matters? : (
>>52223694
Don't get me wrong, I recommend AMD to most who ask since spending more than $200 for a CPU is retarded in most cases.
Unfortunately no proofs though, so you're free to call me a shill.
>>52223717
I mean really, there's nothing stopping you from easily googling your so called charts that show the same stuff.
It's also to admit you're just trying to stir shit up.
>>52223727
Why are you being so sensitive?
>>52223701
Then Zen still pretty much has you covered. Unless you need to run a fucking server for a website. Then your only option would be to buy an intel xeon or wait for AMD's 32 core zen APU.
If Zen has more performance than my OCed 2500k and the price is right (~$200) then I'll probably jump on it but only if the motherboards support all the things I want, like m.2.
Are there any rumors on the launch date.
>>52223302
I actually believe they can get the 30-40 percent IPC jump, since Bulldozer and derivative architectures have dreadful IPC. We will want the clockspeed and actual thermals as well, instead of blind conjecture based on nodes alone; this will determine mobile adoption, margins for AMD.
AMD can't afford to have those thin margins when Zen comes, which is the problem. AMD just bumps up pricing with competitive processors accordingly instead of these hard undercuts you seem to be hoping for.
>>52223533
AMD really wanted to get in some steady income, consoles aren't high profit.
>>52223910
Expected late 2016.
Damn, Zen might even be on par with Nehalem...
>>52221466
>If AMD also delivers on getting their open source graphics drivers up to par I'll probably also pick up the best supported and fastest card for use with AMDGPU. Right now even with the latest patches Fury cards are still often slower than the 380x, and older cards like the 280.
The Fury is also often slower than a 750 Ti. :^)
just a friendly reminder that "Pimp Killer" Jim Keller designed a POWER-based processor that was so good and had so much potential that (it was announced at the same week Apple announced they were leaving POWER for x86-64, I might add!) that Apple outright bought them out just to repurpose the P.A. Semi work and employees for their ARM CPUs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWRficient
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1027774/pa-semi-power-chips-are-full-of-eastern-promise
Keller is the legendary wandering swordsman of processor designs and engineering.
FOOKIN LEGENDARY
>>52225045
Sounds like he failed
http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/10/5486-2/
>>52225061
By what measure?
I dislike the Apple snake oil as much as the next person for their overpricing bullshit, but you cannot deny that the Cortex SOCs are very powerful. (though not enough to justify the Apple Tax)
He designed basis for all of Apple's current Cortex CPUs before he left. PWRficient was so good that Apple wanted that juice exclusively, and its DNA is seen in all current of Apple's in-house CPUs today.
He goes where he's needed, performs great engineering feats, then makes a quiet exit. This is how he's always done things.
>>52225138
Addendum: not to mention that another angle for this whole thing is that Jobs essentially just shelled out 270 mil USD just to save face about the x86-64 transition.
>>52221252
That seems quite possible actually considering how close AMD and Apple are when it comes to Mac graphics
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>>52225307
my wife's son is waiting for zen
>>52225824
I like this new meme.
>>52221287
thanks Mr. Betatester
will be glad to know if its worth it before spending a fortune on it :^)
>>52223933
>Expected late 2016
Pretty sure it was delayed to early 2017.
>>52223573
hollleeee fuuuuuuukkkk
>>52225045
and he was on board only for a tiny amount of time.
your point?
>i7 920
Not really need the upgrade but I want to do gpu passthrough with xen which is not possible with current mobo so might as well update the cpu on the side.
>>52230262
Passthrough requires a damn fast GPU/CPU.
The "near-native" speed is a myth.
Just look up, some youtubers also uploaded hard numbers.
LIke the guy who played BF4 and Hardline, he had around ~60-80FPS lost under virtualization.
So unless you don't care about that, and you can afford a 980Ti and some 6core latest-gen i7.... go for it.
Otherwise, just dual-boot.
Or rather, have a single HDD dedicated to Linux.
Keep only one SSD/HDD plugged in at installs (both Linux and Windows), and you will be able to switch between the systems in the BIOS menu easily. Otherwise GRUB / Windows tends to fuck up boot in all kinds of magical ways.
>>52230367
If you have a i7-5960X overclocked to 4.6GHz and up to a GTX 960/R9 380, it's possible to get up to 90% of the performance through a virtual machine under the right settings in a Type 1 hypervisor.
>>52219076
well i have an 8350 so im waiting for zen to replace it!!! my mobo is dying hoping it will last me till zen
