So since there is no home server thread at the moment so let's call it home server general /hsg/, but actually I'm making this thread to vent a little about Plex.
Why is PLEX such an enormous piece of garbage that doesn't allow you decide for yourself what devices can into HEVC. So here is what PLEX thinks:
>i7 4770k
let's torch the Westmere Xeon instead
>i5 2500k
the Xeon it is
>FX8300
fuck the Xeon
>FX6300
let's kill the Xeon
>i7 2760qm
Xeon, obvioiously
>Samsung S4 Mini
Oh wow an S4 Mini, that's tots fine to play HEVC
>Raspberry PI 2 B+
Mighty RPI2 will be alright
Meanwhile, the RPI2 and the S4 mini are dying and can't play the Stream without massive lags, while the high-end desktop and Notebook CPUs do literally nothing and get transcoded content spoonfed.
The only devices out of the 18 Plex is streaming to, it does decide correctly are high(-ish) end smartphones like my S3 where it doesn't transcode and the content plays flawlessly.
And yeah I can force transcode on the devices having trouble, but I can't make it not transcode to all those computers.
Why wouldn't Plex just allow me to decide what needs transcoding? Or you know, let at least the client decide that it doesn't need transcoding?
I wouldn't hate half as much if Plex wasn't running in a VM and the L5640 had hardware HEVC decoding.
>>51714642
Have you tried Windows Media Center?
Top to Bottom inside rack:
-2x Intel NUC
CPU: Core i3 5010U
RAM: 16GB
Function: set up as ESX HA cluster
-Router, Ubiquity EdgeMax Pro
-Switch 1, Quanta LB4M (48port 1Gbps, 2port 10Gbps)
-Switch 2, Arista 7124SX (24port 10Gbps)
-Server 1, Supermicro 1U
CPU: Core i3
RAM: 16GB ECC
SSD: 4x 1TB 850 Pro RAID 10
NIC: 2x10Gbit
Function: Datastore for vritualization
-Server 2, Supermicro 2U (Twin server, 2 nodes)
-Node 1:
CPU: 2x Intel XEON E5-2650v2 8 Core HT
RAM: 128GB ECC
Storage: ESX on USB
NIC: 4x10Gbit + 6x1Gbit
Function: ESXi Virtualization server
-Node 2:
CPU: 2x Intel Xeon E5-2609v2
RAM: 32GB ECC
SSD: 2x 512GB 850 Pro RAID 1
RAID CARD: LSI MegaRAID SAS 9286 8e SGL 8 + LSIiBBU09
NIC: 2x10Gbit + 2x1Gbit
Function: Storage server, RAID card is connected to the 4U JBOD underneath it.
-JBOD, Supermicro 4U
CASE: SC847 E16-RJBOD1
HDD: 37x 4TB RAID 60
-Old norco case storage machine
CPU: Intel i7 920
RAM: 24GB
SSD: 1x 128GB
HDD: currently 8x 2TB
NIC: 2x10Gbit
Function: Test server for storage stuff
-DL160G6
CPU: 2x Intel Xeon L5520
RAM: 32GB
HDD: 4x 1TB RAID 10
Function: Test server.
-DL140G3
CPU: 2x Intel Xeon E5345
RAM: 16GB
HDD: 1x 160GB
Function: Test server.
-Router, Coldspare Monowall (supermicro C2D)
-Router, Coldspare pfSense (supermicro C2D)
I found Hp mediasmart server with 500GB HDD for 50€ but the fucking seller is not answering to me.
This makes me mad.
Have you tried Windows Media Center?
>>51714725
What model is it? That looks like an ex475. Low tier but might be good depending on what you use it for.
>>51714765
Well spcs and model is what I asked in the email.
If I could install linux on it I would run small apache server to host my website and do all the torrenting on it. Also for general NAS storage. My current setup is Raspberry pi with 1TB hdd + Banana pi still without drives so that would be big upgrade for me.
But I don't know if it is even possible to install any linux distro like debian on that thing.
All hail glorious Raspberry Pi server.
The king of value meme computing.
>>51714651
>Have you tried Windows Media Center?
You mean DLNA over WMC? Half the clients are not in the house either though. Is there a WMC online streaming mode for DLNA?
>>51714697
If I had unlimited money, I would definitely do the same as you.
Meanwhile I'm already paying like 180euro/year for my 70W TDP L5640 server (pic related). How much is all of this per year?
>>51715052
*60W
>>51714642
*Z3
I've been thinking about buying home server. Are there any good ones that aren't super expensive?
>>51715094
>I've been thinking about buying computer. Are there any good ones that aren't super expensive?
That's literally what you just said, think about that for a minute.
>>51715105
Well. I was thinking about something snaller than a pc. I know I could propably use microATX, but another problem is power consumption. My bill are high enough. And I only have 3 pc at home so I shouldn't need a really powerful one.
>>51715186
Some small form factor pc Intel NUC?
>>51715186
An old laptop perhaps?
Built in screen and keyboard. UPS onboard, low power consumption.
And for extended storage use usb3 or eSATA.
>>51715186
But what do you want to use it for? And do you want to build it yourself or not?
It's pretty much the same as with every computer that your requirements should decide what you get. Low power consumption is just the one part. A Raspberry PI has super low power consumption, but it couldn't transcode shit for example. If it's only more processing power you need a low power NUC or HP Micro server might be the answer, since they can even do virtualisation. But if you do a lot of virtualisation it won't hold enough RAM and can't do ECC RAM (not sure about the HP micro). And if your primary need is storage, you obviously need a much bigger form factor.
>>51715043
thing looks like a home fire waiting to happen to be honest family
>>51715227
Mostly storage and file sharing via LAN. Maybe FTP server or small web server for some testing.
>>51715193
>>51715212
Not a bad idea. I'll think about it.
>>51715295
Then you would be fine with a simple NAS and I'm talking literally every NAS under the sun.
You should still consider building it yourself, since it allows for expandability, don't go for FreeNAS though, since it has much too high system requirements for you. More like NAS4free.
Or if you just want a small box that can hold 2-4 HDDs just get a Synology NAS (little overpriced though)
>>51715052
Is that an OEM Dell T3500 motherboard jammed into an off the shelve computer case? Absolutely disgusting!
>>51715329
Well NAS seems like a perfect choice. But I almost forgot. It also would be nice if I could connect a printer to it so every pc could use it. Would NAS be good for it too?
I've got an HP ML350 G6 with two xeon x5650 hex+ht @2.66GHz processors sitting in it and 50 or so GB of RAM. 256GB ssd for boot too. I just don't know what to use all that power for other than running BOINC on it and getting a warm-fuzzy feeling...
>>51715378
It is. and yeah it has a certain scrapyard feel to it. Good eye though.
Then again the stock case is so disgusting and loud, there's nothing lost (except proper CPU cooling, but you know it's a 60W Xeon so whatever).
The case is a Fractal Define R2 XL btw and I was super happy that that fuckhuge board fit to begin with.
>>51715393
There are print servers for almost every kind of NAS. Not so sure about the all in one boxes though. I would think that they might have a print server addon/jail/whatever though, but that's for you to find out.
>>51715575
Mmm, i kinda like it. I'd have gone with a T5500 though, more processors = better. Might be an upgrade worthy of looking into - since you've maxed out on ram by the looks too.
>>51715624
Ok I'll look it up. Thanks for help.
>>51715715
Thanks, I thought about that too, but electricity prices are crazy in Germany and it's like 180euro per year already and would easily be 260 for the second L5640.
Also I don't really need the additional processing power, then again I wouldn't mind having more RAM for a few more VMs.
I won't upgrade for a while though and when I do I will build a new one with a newer architecture and make this a FreeNAS again.
Cubiebord2 in the corner with 2TB HD
Transmission and cloud storage with video playback - NAS what more do you need for a small home solution 0.005w cost €7 a year to run
>>51716055
Sorry 0.005Kw or 5W
>>51716055
yeah except the Harddrive alone is around 6.5 to 8W
>>51714697
Nice cabling management! Would hire.
>>51714837
For sure. I currently have my ex485 running win7 off a usb stick. Using it as my plex server
AMD A1 5350 as my DC. 2012 standard
Intel w3580 as my plex server / VM Test - server 2016 (soon to be flattened, going back to exsi)
Intel s2600cp4 + 2670 v1 x1, hoping to find a decent priced second one once I have this build off the ground, any recommendations on an SSI EBB form factor cases I can pick up for cheap? Don't care about front panel anything just something that will obviously fit my board and have a few drive bays and can be bought on ebay for cheap.
>>51715043
Which NAS box is that?
>>51716286
Also, does anyone know if the s2600cp4 can handle aftermarket heatsinks? It's a 2011 socket so it should work in the same way as other 2011's. right?
>>51715378
You beat me to it. I couldn't post while vomiting in the tub.
>>51716153
That's pretty amazing. But still a better solution than WHS, I feel ya. My mobo died a few years ago. Sure miss that little guy and the Xmas light easter egg...
>>51716333
I'm actually surprised that the standoffs line up correctly, would have thought it'd be non-standard like dell usually does
>>51716301
Buffalo LinkStation 220
>>51715052
I like the way it looks. Its not cookie cutter like alot of builds
>>51714697
thats alot of stuff, what do you do exactly with it all?
Who's using thin clients in here?
Mine is HP Thin Client T610 with:
>Dual core AMD G-T56n
>8GB DDR3 RAM
>16GB SSD + 1TB HDD + 500GB HDD, all internal
>WiFi card with internal antenna to serve as an access point
>USB 3.0 to connect more HDDs
It's running natively linux + linux and windows vms.
>>51715043
Nice ratio..
>>51716333
It's an ECC capable motherboard in the ridiculously overpriced 1366 market. Why does it upset you so much?
>>51716768
>I'm actually surprised that the standoffs line up correctly
Yeah except they don't, I've spent more than a great super fun happy hour figuring out what standoffs I could use (like ITX, mITX, ATX, eATX). It was especially fun since the board needs to be fiddled a little behind the 5.25 bays to get it angled so it fits in the back.
In the end I found 4 matching ones and drilled a 5th for good measure.
And seriously fuck dell with their proprietary bullshit.
>5 pin fan headers
>custom front panel connectors
and as you said
>custom mainboard layout
>>51716881
Thanks, it also works like a charm.
I get the urge to make a home server, but then I think: What in the hell do I need one for?
A streaming server? Half my shit does that automatically.
>>51719218
oh also
>custom heatsink layout
I had originally ordered a Hyper 212 Evo, but obviously that didn't work as well.
>>51719292
Your own personal cloud service with owncloud is one great project and it's actually pretty neat.
Your server.
Your drives.
Your data.
You're safe.
>>51719218
I've got a supermicro X8DTE-F, dual socket 1366 ecc capable IPMI interface blah blah blah, for the grand total of £50, not exactly breaking the bank. Plus "the ridiculously overpriced 1366 market" died out 5 years ago matey
>>51720526
wow, really, why the fuck are you this mad?
http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_odkw=lga+1366&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR4.TRC1.A0.H0.Xlga+1366+mainboar.TRS0&_nkw=lga+1366+mainboard&_sacat=0
cheapest 1366 supermicro (or any server grade motherboard apart from a Dell workstation board) right NOW (for me) is 150 plus 10 euro or 115 plus 65 euro shipping. And I'd consider it expensive for a five year old platform.
I really don't get what and why you are trying to argue with me on what was and is how much in the market I'm living in. Really what the fuck is your problem?
>>51720752
#1 i'm not mad, just curious as to what's up and why it's apparently so overpriced, point taken on that
#2 i'm a different guy than before
#3 it's a lot older than 5 years, that's just when the prices started to drop... think 7 to 8 years since the platform launch
#4 why so defensive
>>51720948
also the cheapest X8DTE-F on ebay.co.uk is currently 107 GBP with shipping. It's so supply and demand.
Boards died, the chips didn't so after 1366 initially got cheaper it got more expensive again.
And I was so defensive because your post was sort of derogatory and implying I wouldn't know what I'm doing.
Anyhow, if there had been that 150 + 10 euro supermicro board back when I built the server, I'd take it, but it was more like 200 then.
same olde
my next server will be a cheap r210 ^^
>>51721089
would it be wise to buy such board + cpu now?
Aren't there better deals to do if you want something reliable?
>>51722501
I don't see any issue with it. If it made it that long it will probably live forever and the 32nm Westmere Xeons are still fast enough for everything I'm doing.
Better deals with ECC support?
I really don't think so. You could get a server Atom, like the C2550, but that including the board alone is already 300 euro and my L5640 is running circles around it (it's pretty much the same TDP efficiency though). And since newer Xeons are even without board more than the board and CPU combo, I really don't think it's possible. Anyhow I obviously only looked in Germany prices, so maybe it's different where you are from.
Also how do you figure it's unreliable in any way?
>>51722748
I mean they are older, and who knows if you buy second hand cpus what you'll get.
desu i've never done it i've been looking into it a little bit.
But most servers are loud as fuck and yea buying the board + cpu only with another case might be a thing to do.
The usual
>>51723466
90% of the 1366 processors popping up on the market are from decommissioned data centre kit
>>51716362
I should mention that I replaced the stock Celeron 440 with a q9550s. Replaced the heatsink too. It's wonderful.
Why don't you get a new mobo off ebay? I've seen them
Is there anyway to get a decent backup server going for <$200?
>>51723881
Rasp Pi and external drive(s)?
>>51723881
Look in ebay. You might get lucky. I got my ex485 for fifty bucks because it wouldn't boot. Paid 70 for a new power supply and it worked.
>>51714642
Production:
HP Microserver G8 / Xeon 1230 (V1) / 16GB RAM / 8x 8TB Hitachi UltraStar
Runs Plex, 2x Win 2012 R2 DC's, Team Foundation Server + SQL 2012
Testing:
2x Dell R610 / dual Xeon 5540 / 96GB RAM / 6x 200GB SAS SSD
2x HP DL360 G5 / Dual Xeon 5440 / 32GB RAM / HP P800 / 4x MSA 25 w/ 100 146GB 10K DP SAS
Testing mostly stays off, except when I'm doing some automation testing. The Dell's are nice and quiet, but the HP's are loud as hell.
>>51724002
How in hells name did you get 8 3.5" drives in a microserver? Or are you using some sort of storage shelve connected to it?
>>51724046
I have an HP P411 installed, and a 4 bay generic external bay.
>>51723466
Most likely they were in a climate controlled data center, just look at the reviews and past auctions of the seller. Also buying CPUs used in general is pretty much a non issue since they generally outlast pretty much everything else. Besides Xeons can't really be overclocked anyway making it an even safer buy.
The loudness comes from fans, so yeah, just don't get a rack mount case. Also those have a form factor you can't put in any regular case.
>>51724075
Ahh gotcha, i like it.
Would you recommend the g8 microserver? I've got the n54l one and the processor is starting to bottleneck what i'm doing...
>>51724095
yea i know, i have heard Dells are really quiet but i've seen few HP proliants they were loud as fuck.
>>51724144
No, not really. I bought it because at the time I wanted the form factor, and it was the only real option other than a NAS. Now, there are many options in the same size. If I weren't lazy, I'd replace it. But I'm lazy...
>>51724170
Options such as?
Also i like sticking with HP kit as i like the ecosystem, and i've also got a SAAP key that i don't want to go to waste hah
>>51724161
No the dell servers are just as loud.
Also even tower servers are generally really really loud even when they are declared silent. It's because vendors want to make extra certain nothing will die, because of business warranty. You can just exchange the fans though (but this is only a solution for tower servers, since the others rely on airflow)
>>51724217
If you some coin to spend, the Supermicro D1520 (1540?) platform is interesting. Otherwise, InWin and a few others make cases if you want to use a standar mITX board.
If you can find or buy one though, the ILO with the advanced license is useful as hell. And there are 8 port switches that stack on the G8 as well. I have two of those.
I guess I just don't like HP in general, so I may be biased.
>>51714642
Try Emby
>>51718550
the only thin clients I have are shitty old chinese ones, only got two
one works just fine but the other for no fucking reason does not POST, tried absolutely everything and I can't get the fucker to POST at all, just makes a single beep on startup
tried absolutely everything and couldn't figure it out
>>51724253
hmm i should check out some towers that can get in a rack
>>51724253
Depends on the Dell's. My R610's are quiet.
>>51724305
If you can, I used to use a T610 (Not R610's which I have now) in my living room. Wasn't silent, but was quiet enough that even at low volume, we couldn't hear it over the TV.
Anyone have bought something from http://www.bargainhardware.co.uk ?
If so how was it like?
>>51714642
I'm gonna be picking these up this afternoon
$25.30 for both of them
Did i do good?
https://www.allbids.com.au/ALLBIDS/Search/Details/693076
https://www.allbids.com.au/ALLBIDS/Search/Details/693079
Anons with rack-mounts like >>51714642
>>51714697
>>51722016
How loud are they? Where do you keep them to avoid driving your friends and family bat-crap crazy?
>>51726759
> https://www.allbids.com.au/ALLBIDS/Search/Details/693076
I wouldn't have, but I'm running Xeon 5660's or better in most of my gear. I don't think $25 was too bad, 'specially if it works. Just be aware that it does not use FBDIMM's and instead uses DDR2 ECC Registered. I had a crapload of 1GB modules, but I threw them out months ago.
> https://www.allbids.com.au/ALLBIDS/Search/Details/693079
Netburst Xeon. For $1? Yeah, I think it's worth $5 for the scrap steel...
>>51722016
The J1900 supports a maximum of 8Gb
0/10
Phenom II X6 1055
32GB ECC 1600Mhz
Gigabyte 890FXA-UD5
IBM 1015 @ 9211-IT Mode
Intel pro 1000
4x2TB RAIDZ1
5x4TB RAIDZ1[root@TROY] ~# zpool list
NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE EXPANDSZ FRAG CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROO T
boot 7.31G 1.93G 5.38G - - 26% 1.00x ONLINE -
grupo01 7.25T 6.98T 274G - - 96% 1.00x ONLINE /mnt
grupo02 18.1T 6.36T 11.8T - 19% 35% 1.00x ONLINE /mnt
Layer 3 switch is a Cisco 3560grid.CASONNETTE#show version
Cisco IOS Software, C3560 Software (C3560-IPSERVICESK9-M), Version 15.0(2)SE8, R ELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
Compiled Wed 13-May-15 23:32 by prod_rel_team
ROM: Bootstrap program is C3560 boot loader
BOOTLDR: C3560 Boot Loader (C3560-HBOOT-M) Version 12.2(25r)SEE4, RELEASE SOFTWA RE (fc1)
grid.CASONNETTE uptime is 4 weeks, 2 days, 1 hour, 49 minutes
System returned to ROM by power-on
System image file is "flash:c3560-ipservicesk9-mz.150-2.SE8/c3560-ipservicesk9-m z.150-2.SE8.bin"
cisco WS-C3560G-24PS (PowerPC405) processor (revision F0) with 131072K bytes of memory.
Processor board ID FOC1213Z4JK
Last reset from power-on
1 Virtual Ethernet interface
28 Gigabit Ethernet interfaces
The password-recovery mechanism is enabled.
Switch Ports Model SW Version SW Image
------ ----- ----- ---------- ----------
* 1 28 WS-C3560G-24PS 15.0(2)SE8 C3560-IPSERVICESK9-M
Also a cheap celeron 2840 w/ 8GB (soon to be 16GB) to host a VMWare ESXi with a couple low consumption VMs. VMs are stored in the main fileserver, connected through iSCSi
Thanks to anon who provided an updated IOS rom.
>>51715043
kek that ratio.
Hit and runs for days senpai.
Is there anything like Logical Increments for home servers? I'm trying to figure out what hardware I should be looking at getting but I'm kinda lost since I've never built a server before. Like, at what point does it make sense to go with a rack mounted system over a bunch of hard drives and a good CPU in a normal desktop case?
>>51729674
>at what point does it make sense to go with a rack mounted system over a bunch of hard drives and a good CPU in a normal desktop case?
When you have money to burn. If you're not sure you need enterprise level hardware you don't need it. A server is nothing more then an always on computer. If all you're going to do is torrent/stream videos/possibly use a few VMs then a regular desktop fits the bill. Most of the people who have enterprise hardware either got it for free from their jobs because the company was upgrading to new hardware or they got it cheap used somewhere. Only an idiot would buy all new enterprise level hardware for "home server" use.
Holy shit where do I even start doing this kind of work? Craigslist? Or virtualized?
I know mirrors are the most reliable but I lose so much space.. so, is raidz2 that much worde than raidz3? I reckon it's faster so the resilver will be faster and as long as I check my drives regurarly I should be ok.. right?
What do you guys think? ZFS raidz3 vs. raidz2
>>51730849
>If all you're going to do is torrent/stream videos/possibly use a few VMs
That's basically exactly what I want to do. Is the i3-4370 a good choice for CPU? I would go with an AMD build, but I'm willing to pay more for less power consumption.
What is the best choice for a home beginner vm machine? I want to run freenas on it, as well as a thinclient, and possibly multiple servers that are currently on aws. I was thinking of getting old server equipment, for example:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-II-Server-E5345-2x2-33GHz-Quad-Core-32GB-PERC5i-2-Trays-/181737950010?hash=item2a506d0b3a:g:nZ0AAOSwu-BWOiuh
Hey, this looks like the right place to ask. I have an old computer (Dell XPS 625 I think). And I want to use it to host old games, like Unreal, or Doom and shit like that. Simple stuff. What's the best way to go about this. The only OS I've been able to install on it is Windows Server 2008 R2, so I'm going to have to work from there (nothing else seems to take).
It would also be cool to use it to store some random TV shows and movies and what-have-you.
Like I said, I've never set anything like this up before, just basic networking through a router, and the options on this OS are kinda overwhelming. Acronyms I've never seen before and all. I don't need anything fancy.
>>51733612
Oh. One more thing, is I'd like to be able to access the servers desktop from another PC. I don't have the space to keep a bunch of peripherals attached to it.
>>51733612
-Configure static IP
-Enable RDP
-Connect from your desktop through MSTSC
-Install dedicated server version from said games.
-???
-Profit
>>51724270
hmm, I keep that in mind. Thanks anon.
>>51722016
>Nortel
>>51715052
I really like dlna (over ps3 media server) but not enough of my devices support it, is there any reason other than that you wouldn't use it?
>>51735079
For me it's ideal and I couldn't live without anymore.
What of your devices don't support DLNA?
Smartphone/Android Tablet --> Either paid PLEX App or BubbleUPnP or Plex Web App in Chrome.
Computer/Windows Tablet --> Plex Home Theater or Plex Web App
Kodi --> PlexBMC
>>51735079
also even Amazon Fire TV or Roku
