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>>51393592
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>>51405448
Mind explaining what this is and how I can find / filter headphones with these properties?
Sorry, still kinda new to audio devices.
Black Friday is getting closer and I still can't decide what to buy between
>RHA MA-750
>Shure SE215
>Hifiman RE-400
>Etymotic Research HF-5
Halp
Alrite guys, here's my plan:
Around next week I need to get a pair of headphones to replace my shitster Turtle Beach X12 that broke after 5 years.
With only $0-150 (pref. to under $100), I've come down to these... I wear glasses so no Superlux please.
Sony MDR V6
Samson SR850 (cheapest option)
Philips SHP9500 (don't really want bc of low sounding bass...?)
Sennheiser 598 Special Edition Black (Black Friday Amazon will be 50% so $100 or $125)
Use is for skype, gaming, music, desktop, phone, something to last a long while.
Also no Fidelio X2 memers please.
If you got something else suggest it.
Also I'm looking for good cheapo (under $30-50) desktop microphones.
Ordered a pair of Piston 3s and KZ ED9s.
Never used in-ears before.
>did I fuck up /g/?
>>51405970
damn 5 years for turtle beach is pretty gud
afaik theyre absolute shitters when it comes to build quality
>>51406001
Yeah luckily the part that broke was only the wire inside. The headband and everything else was fantastic condition and I never treated them like shit. Comfortable with glasses and worked with old xbox360 and pc.
>>51405970
>(don't really want bc of low sounding bass...?)
>proceeds to list hd 598
If you want open headphones with bass for less than $100, Takstar HI 2050 is your only option.
Get NVX XPT100 for best sounding closed headphones.
How good is a modified HD800?
>>51406241
Is there an introduction to EQ's somewhere? Sorry for all the shitty questions by the way.
>>51405975
They're okay. Don't fall into the hype that the pistons will sound like something that costs 6 times the price. While that might have been true 6 years ago, the market is now flooded with good sounding cheap IEMs. In my opinion they're pretty good for what they are but the midrange is not that great. Vocals sound strange at times and lacks detail. Bass is great and the highs are on point. It just seems like something to hold you over while you save up for something nicer and hopefully they won't break before then.
>>51406418
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Headphones#Equalizer.2C_And_How_to_Equalize_Your_Headphones
I'm new to headphones so could someone tell me if the SMSL SD-793II + Beyerdynamics DT-770 Pro is a good combination
>>51406418
You need a parametric EQ for starters, it lets you define exactly where you want to make adjustments and the range of sound that is affected.
Windows has Equalizer APO that affects all things done system wide. PEACE gives it a visualization so you can see what you doing. AFAIK you still have to chain VSTs or AU plugins for a system wide EQ on OSX or Linux. I'm not up to dateon the parametric EQ for Android.
Parametric equalizers give you filters, peaking and shelf filters are standard, other filter types are commonly included. A filter is something meant to change the output signal, pass audio through the filter and the output is affected in some way. Peak filters focus their effect onto a specific point, high and low shelf filters affect everything above and below a select frequency range respectively. For normal listening, these are the only filters that you need.
Gain refers to how strong you want each filter to take effect, like +6dB to some place in the bass on a normal equalizer. Equalizers will give you a preamp control. The preamp you can think of as a digital volume control. You want to cut back on it when making EQ adjustments. If you don't, and you raise the EQ higher at some point than the maximum digital volume, you end up with distortion and clipping.
You need something for reference tone generation. Sine waves and sweeps (also called chirps) to identify which peaks and dips annoy you most. Audacity has a sine sweep generator; it lists it as a chirp.
This site gives you markers to keep track of the frequency, but it limits to short sweeps per file.
>http://www.audiocheck.net/audiofrequencysignalgenerator_sweep.php
The loudness contour does a little trickery when equalizing by ear. Doing this when playing back the test tones louder gets around it mostly, but the treble can get out of control with very loud peaks. Or you can figure out a comfort a listening level and reference the loudness contour that way.
Going to test the sound and the microphone soon.
The build quality is descent and the plastic feels soild. The lights worked of the box and glow decently.
The left side has the plugins for audio and microphone, the right side controls or volume, the cat-ear-speakers and the lights.
>>51406965
post testing methodology
>Budget
about 100 burgerdollars
>Location
Murrica
>Source
Galaxy Note 5
>Preferred type of headphone
Looking for IEMs
>Comfort level
Comfy
>Preferred tonal balance
Netural with some warm to warm I think
>Preferred music
Rock, Classical, Weeb Shit, Game Music
>Past headphones
ATH-M50 - Into the trash
HD600 - Very clear and nice. Not that fun to listen too.
SHP9500 - Current daily drivers. Enjoy them.
>>51407019
hd558, shp9500, or ad900x???????
>>51406877
>>51406893
>>51406965
Drink bleach furfag.
>>51407156
Veiled, balanced, or bright.
>>51407156
>>Preferred type of headphone
>Looking for IEMs
>>51406479
>>51406905
Thanks based anons
hi i need a headphones desu senpai what do i buy??
>>51407365
Cyanide. Then ingest it.
Who /audiotechnica/ here
>>51407458
i are audiotechnica yes
you want headphone??
>>51407487
Ya. I thought about getting the ws99 since I lile my music to have some bass
>>51407566
Add some money and buy a X2
>>51405845
HF5 for dat neutral and smooth treble.
FAD Heaven II for shallow fit but not as neutral response as HF5.
RE-400 is junk and has poor build quality, the sound is too warm.
>>51405970
HD558
>>51406268
Not very good, the mod does not specifically eliminate the peak, EQ is a better option.
>>51405975
I'm the guy who mentioned the kz ed9's on here and they are fantastic for the money, the same goes for the piston 3's but the KZ's slightly edge it for me. I'm not sure how happy you will be comparing them to whatever headphones you have but they are well worth the money and better than some much more expensive pairs of iem's I have tried.
>>51407603
That's for gaming. I kinda care about mids and highs too. If I just wanted skull crushing, jaw dropping, dick squezzing, ass wiping, teeth clencher bass, I could just stick up with the sz2000
Why isn't there a speaker general? Or do people just get LSR305s and be done with it?
>>51407659
If you want speakers grab sony muteki
>>51407681
kek
>>51407659
Pretty much those until you get to Neumann/Genelec prices.
If you want speakers for a large room then DIY (kit at the least) because 'hi-fi' offerings are 99% crap.
>>51407287
Any other questions?
>>51407659
Not enough speakerfags.
These threads aren't even that fast if it wasn't for shitposts, and they usually just get the lsr305. This is the de facto general purpose audio thread on /g/.
>>51407739
>Any other questions?
Nah this is all for now, thanks!
who /treblesensitive/ here?
>>51407935
Not really but I hate bright headphones like DT880 and HD800.
>>51407935
>HPTF variations
I forgot what paper that was from.
>>51408044
https://www.ak.tu-berlin.de/fileadmin/a0135/Publikationen/2010/Brinkmann_2010_On_the_effect_of_individual_headphone_compensation_in_binaural_synthesis.pdf
sent ;)
>>51405970
>something to last a long while
The v6 is built like a freaking tank, there some of these out there that are over 20 years old and still working, the only part that sucks is the pads that last just a few months, but you can also get Auray sheep skin pads that last much longer + better comfort and isolation.
>>51407984
DT880s are ear rape in general, not just for those who hate treble. I could only tolerate them at low volumes.
>>51408073
I don't get "sent ;)".
I'm not sure how relevant this is either. Mental inverse filtering corrects for some individual variation caused by ear variation.
These HPTFs from different subjects should be referenced against individual diffuse-field transfer functions using a proper FEC headphone.
>>51405970
Senal BAKA 500 with auray extra deep leather pads!
just bought the KZ ATE, the KZ ED9, and sr850. how did I do budget wise /g/?
Loving my srh1540s, but they are really tough to listen to at loud volumes.. $200+ guide looks great
>>51407624
>HF5 for dat neutral and smooth treble.
What if I wanted a tad bass more? Would EQ be enough?
>>51409671
Sure, but you can EQ anything, especially IEMs.
About to buy the ATH-R70x... Should I do it?
>>51409797
Has some signature similarities to HD650. Less subbass/or more midbass and less treble than 650.
Very lightweight as can be expected from the design.
>>51409797
It's a gamble to buy something that hasn't been properly measured and it's in a really competitive price range.
I wouldn't recommend it.
r these the new mems?
>>51409868
I've heard people say it has MORE treble than the HD650, and that it has the brightness that the HD650 misses.
People say it's right in between of the HD600 and the DT880.
are foam tips worth it?
or just stick with silicoon?
>>51408946
The ED9's are better than the piston 3's imo, not sure about the ATE's as min are on the way, you know you did good budget wise lol, the price of the are ridiculous on ali express anyway.
>>51409914
>new
>Budget
230€
>Location
Poland
>Source
Nuforce uDac3
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
comfortable enough for 2-3 hour sessions
>Preferred tonal balance
bass/V-shaped
>Preferred music
Jon Hopkins, Boards of canada, bonobo, amon tobin, squarepusher
>>51410179
DT 770
>>51409943
Less subbass rumble on my face and less treble sizzle than 650 when playing the same tracks. R70x was more sensitive than 650, that would be screwing up loudness matching. 650 loses some treble over time, and the demo unit still had fresh pads. I guess I can go back and listen to it again, but r70x was lacking brightness on either HD600 or DT880.
>>51410272
>beyerkeks
>>51409977
Why not foam? Comply tips tend to break down fast, they are also the softest tips. Other types and brands are more durable. Even if you use a different type of foam, it is still helpful in acheiving fit and damping resonances.
>>51409733
'cause everyone says the HF-5 are kinda no-bass, and I'd like a more full-bodied sound, but the SE215 (similar isolation, but with dynamic drivers) seem to have niggerbass, which would be too much (as opposed to the not enough bass of the HF5).
Why there can't be a very isolating IEM under 150€ on amazon that is well built, and has the right amount of bass and an overall decent FR? Is it asking too much?
>>51410319
>shitposting
>>51405613
Why isnt hd 202 ii on that list?
30 dollars, closed and sound better then the junk which it contains now.
>>51410705
Because I thought it went low enough when I made it.
I'll add Tascam TH-02.
>>51410705
>hd 202 ii
>better than anything
>>51410411
Because extra balanced armatures to reinforce bass cost money, and dynamic drivers generally need ventilation, weakening isolation.
Still sucks that the TDK BA200 was killed a couple years ago.
Updated the sub-$200 guide.
What's /mu/'s opinion on the MDR V55s?
I'm in the market for some cheap yet decent headphones, was just going to get the 7506s for use inside my house with my PC, but this same week my earphones shat the bed, so I'm wondering about the V55s as they're more suitable for outdoor use (never used headphones outdoors, always earbuds. Probably because all the headphones I've had were cheap and extremely boxy looking)
tl;dr
Opinion on V55, and it vs. 7506? Anything of comparable quality in the same price range (£35 for the V55, £60 for the 7506.
It's funny how people blame super headphones for lacking bass, thus they waste tons of money in super amp hoping their pieces of junk would improve, when one of the best headphones costs less than 300€, it has the best bass detail in circulation and doesn't even need an amp to sound great.
> more expensive = better
I am using a Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 motherboard, it has its own dac and amp in it, but would it be better if I get an external dac and amp for a HD 600 for better sound quality?
>>51410984
>Because extra balanced armatures to reinforce bass cost money
Production-wise they don't cost ANYTHING. Too bad I haven't saved the picture that shows the driver inside the ER4P.
It's merely a marketing reason: if you make an insanely good headphone at a too low price point, then you can't sell your top of the line product for ten-twenty times its production cost. The new Xiaomi Hybrid demonstrate it: they have both dynamic and BA drivers, and yet they cost less than thirty bucks. Maybe the sound is not perfectly audiophool grade, but it still makes my point.
>>51409797
HE-400S is better and cheaper
>>51411178
I know how much the driver and filters cost and about product segmentation, but they still have to have a margin on a product people will not buy in volume. Because really, how many Etys are sold compared to a single model of one of the cheap IEMs bundled with phone these days? You can swap the filters around for more "bass" for a few pennies.
I'm interested in how they will trim costs on the hybrid but at the same time I don't really care.
Does anyone here have first-hand experience with this mobo?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130770&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
It's meant for gaming but markets itself on its audio quality. I'm not rich so if I could get away without a dedicated sound card that would be pretty nice.
>>51411562
It's 2015. Sound quality is not notable between motherboards.
>>51411581
So this AUDIO BOOST 2 is just marketing speak then.
>>51411331
>Because really, how many Etys are sold compared to a single model of one of the cheap IEMs bundled with phone these days?
Less than they would sell if they lowered the price to an acceptable level. Sadly to appeal high-end audio enthusiasts there's no other way but setting a ridiculously high price. And sometimes that high price is even justifiable, for instance in case of good headphones: when I take my Fidelio X2 in my end I know I payed a lot of money, but I'm holding a solidly built headphone; as an object in itself it transmits a sense of value that goes beyond *just* its audio quality. With universal fit IEMs you pay relatively huge amounts of money for tiny little pieces of unrefined cheap molded plastic that is likely to fall apart at the first mechanical stress; there is no fucking way those few grams of plastic are going to tell you that they're a valuable object like a full sized bulky headphone. Sure it's a choice: you either go for the masses, and you lower the costs, or you please the niche, and raise the price, regardless of what you're actually selling, but still I think it's inherently wrong that nowadays measurably high end audio gear is mostly locked behind -more or less- high paywalls, ESPECIALLY when it comes to universal fit IEMs.
something something sucking dicks
are the HD 598s recommended here.
>>51411645
Pretty much. A gun on your motherboard doesn't make it any more lethal; "AUDIO BOOST 2" on your motherboard doesn't make it any louder.
>>51411674
hd558 are cheaper and the same thing
>>51411663
Measureable improvements aren't there for IEMs. They don't exist, and paying for more gets you convenience, a nicer build, and vanity(faceplates, custom molds, metal trim, etc.). EQ works even better for IEMs than speakers or headphones.
HF5 costs next to nothing, and is arguably outdone by MK5. You can tweak the stock HF5 or MK5 to balance the treble.
There is no reason to buy into ER-4PT for sonics at very least, so that price barrier does not exist.
>Budget
350€/373.17$
>Location
Europe de/uk
>Source
iPhone
>Preferred type of headphone
Around-ear
>Open or closed
Idk probably open
>Comfort level
Should be wearable for more than one hour without getting hot
>Preferred tonal balance
None
>Preferred music
Electronic/Trance/Trap'n'bass
>Past headphones
Beats crap
>>51412090
Fidelio X2
What do you think about a ODAC+O2+HD600?
>>51412090
If the source is an iPhone I guess you're also going to use them outside your house. If outdoor use is your main use, then disregard open headphones.
>>51412205
It's a nice meme.
>>51412165
Would you recommend using a amp and if which?
Btw how does the foam on the headphones feel?
>>51412244
They don't need an amp.
The pads are very comfortable and I'm pretty sure they're made of memory foam.
>Budget
$40
>Location
LA
>Source
Zenfone2,DSi,PSP, 2.0 PC speaker jack
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-size, over ear.
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Maximum. The most important thing. I need to be able to wear em for hours.
>Preferred music
Rock, Soundtracks, game music, electronic
>Past headphones
Audio‑Technica ATH AD700. Decent, over priced, hated the sound quality.
Koss Portapro - Great sound, uncomfortable as shit.
I'm basically looking for something extremely comfortable I can wear for a long ass time before I notice any discomfort and heating. A lengthy cable and some bass would be a bonus. I'm on a tight ass budget, so comfort level and price are the most important points.
What do you have me for me /hpg/?
>>51412295
gemini hsr1000? can pick up some brainwavz pads later for added comfort
>>51412276
Thanks based anon
>>51412222
OH, I should get the Objective2 + ODAC Rev. B Combo with the HD600. For the most neutral undistorted audio feedback right?
>>51412333
If it costs more, it sounds better :^)
>>51412365
I'm not buying that combo because of the expensive cost but because its good :)
>>51412316
I was looking for something with velvet padding. The headphones plus replacements are like $70+. That's outta my price range.
did the cat ear headphones guy post his review? too lazy to look
>>51412295
Check out Samson SR850 or Takstar HI 2050
>>51412492
No, and he didn't post a time stamp either.
>>51412536
>Samson SR850
Where are the measurements?
>>51412536
Those Samson headphones look perfect. Those Takstar are more expensive. I'll do some research on those two. Thanks.
>>51412863
Take a look at this guy's review on the Takstar HI 2050!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjbwkUA2WIs
The right side of my meme-technica ATH-M50x just died, I should have listen to you guys.
Iso best closed, reasonably portable headphone headphone under $500.
Prefer somewhat subdued treble
Needs at least decent isolation
No bt or noise cancelling memes
>>51413284
oppo pm-3
>>51406447
Appreciate that mate, insightful.
>>51407630
I've only had really cheap ones before, so I reckon these will be pretty decent.
Need to change out RAP music, just don't know what with
>>51413284
Portability is at odds with comfort. Small pads tend to fit more poorly.
PSB m4u1/NAD HP50 comes to mind.
>>51412894
>>51412536
Looks like I'll be going with the Samson's. The Takstar's seem like they're the more comfortable ones, but not by much and I could use the extra savings. Thanks for the help.
>>51413447
what do you mean need to? you want to get rid of it for some purpose other than it not being one of your favorites?
>>51410179
>full sized
>closed
>comfortable
>bass-V-shaped
that's literally the DT770 you are describing.
What's the preferred type of pad here? The plastic, velvety, or foam type?
Foams drive me crazy because I wear glasses and they make god awful noise every time I turn my head.
Plastics are uncomfortable and hot as shit.
Vevlet is ultra comfy.
>>51405970
I'm listening to the SHP9500s right now and for instrumental music and such they're amazing, jazz, rock, gaming is good, everything really sounds balanced and good with a proper eq. I am really happy with my purchase and will preach it. I'm using them right on my computer and they are perfectly driven, even on my S5 theyre good because im an autist who walks around with them. for bass heavy music you're right the bass is weak but is good enough for me. Very very very comfy and sound fucking glorious. Cop if you can, you wont be disappointed friend.
>>51413866
Show your EQ
>>51407659
I have a pair of kef 104/2s right next to me and I love them. My dad got them in Germany during his stationing for Desert Storm. Wonderful, beautiful, heavy speakers but need some work. Most of the cones are dry rotted and I have no idea about the condition of the tweeters. Still sound absolutely glorious
>>51413866
>>51413906
>same idiot shilling his shitty first headphones
smhtbhfam
>>51413886
just through foobar2k and it sounds better to me. Not gonna lie, im pretty new to the game but this is what sounds best in my ears on the SHP9500
![d9c7d3d0-ecb8-47ae-959c-7cdbb053133d[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iB5DqDE.jpg "d9c7d3d0-ecb8-47ae-959c-7cdbb053133d[1].jpg")
>>51414022
>>51414044
damn ill never be as cool as you guys :((
>>51413702
You also have microfiber and leather, usually only on pricier headphones.
Microfiber and velour.
>>51414022
fb2k stock EQ is really bad. Please stop using it.
Xnor made a much nicer 1/3 octave graphic EQ plugin, never mind the VSTs and wrapper combos that exist.
>>51413632
Kind of. I used to love listening to it, but when I did the other day I didn't really like it as much
>>51414057
i dont understand that thought process. i would only ever change one if something better came
If I bought a headset, would I need a decent soundcard, or will the one built into my [spoiler]laptop[/spoiler] be fine?
>>51405613
>Budget:
~250
>Location
USA
>Source
primarily iPhone/laptop
>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear noise canceling. Don't want to hear anyone
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
i would prefer comfort over sound quality but I don't want a drop in sound canceling quality
>Preferred tonal balance
not so concerned
>Preferred music
alternative rock and warm electronic/tropical house
>Past headphones
cheap gym ones
If anyone could help me I would be eternally grateful. I'm tired of listening to people talk in the library while i'm trying to focus on work
>>51414358
if you want truly 100% sound cancelling, theres really only one option
http://www.amazon.com/Bose-QuietComfort-Acoustic-Cancelling-Headphones/dp/B00M1NEUKK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1447902727&sr=8-1&keywords=quietcomfort
>>51414358
HD 600 is best headphone get that
>>51414594
>>51414441
Thank you both for your suggestions!
Those Bose queit comfort look so tasty
Is it me or is current-source amplification the latest placebophile meme?
S L O W E D A N D T H R O W E D
>>51414676
Hardly a new idea. It's just you. Don't confuse it with current-mode amplifiers.
>>51405613
Are these good? I'm looking to get these as a gift and mostly going for them cause they look good and according to the reviews they have good sound too.
Also, since I'm going to have a friend in the US get them for me, is there anyway he can get them for cheap during black Friday? How?
>>51414994
hd558 sound identical and look better
>>51415002
>black
The ivory color is what appealed to me. I'd personally get black ones too, but its not for me.
>>51414994
Sounds like an AM radio, no highs no lows, veiled and cheap plastic construction
>>51415077
Any better choices which look "classy" for the same price?
>>51415102
>plastic snapheisers
>classy
>Budget
$150
>Location
Canada
>Source
Phone and PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear, full size.
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
good/average comfy is fine
>Preferred music
Post-rock, electronic, weeb
>Past headphones
shitty gaming headset
>>51414922
To be more unambiguous, I meant transconductance amplification. There is no evidence they are in any way superior and yet retards are cumming all over Questyle's shit.
>>51415309
do you want fun or neutral? you didnt give your preferred tonal balance
must you have recessed bass and treble to achieve the most natural vocals?
what would the best under $500 dollar pair of open headphones be for this?
>>51415393
I'd say neutral.
>>51415489
>>51415492
seems like youre not sure.
let me help. for post-rock, electronic and even weeb music, youd probably want a v shaped headphone, or at least more fun than neutral. for that id say the dt770s. but since you like weeb music, you probably watch anime too no? now a vshaped isnt going to be terrible for this, but if you care more about this than the music, youd want a more neutral headphone like the sony v6/7506 (same headphones)
so pick whichever based on what you think you care more about. properly natural vocals or funness in music.
>>51415381
>Questyle
>The current signal is converted back to a voltage signal at the output of their amps—these are not transconductance amplifiers.
They claim stuff about TIM (from Otala's work), but audio frequencies aren't too difficult. That sort of stuff would get picked up in the common CCIF 19+20 kHz IMD test, a sterner test than any musical signal.
I suppose that's more recent, but I can't tell if that's just Questyle on Head-Fi - they are a sponsor.
>>51415503
but do they actually mean natural as in minimizing the difference between what a person sounds like at the mic and in my headphone?
i feel like a lot of mid-centric headphones dont actually sound trebly enough. i mean people dont sound like theyre talking through wall of foam when theyre standing next to me
>>51415566
>i feel like a lot of mid-centric headphones dont actually sound trebly enough
I'm not the anon you're replying to. Have you heard or tested the HD600/650?
>>51415503
What are you trying to imply about natural and HD 600?
>>51415566
Who knows what they mean by natural. It doesn't matter. HD600 isn't strictly treble shy, it might have too much.
>>51415393
V is painful not "fun."
>>51415543
I do watch anime but I'll probably use it more on music than anime. The kind of weeb music I listen to are Kinoko Teikoku and Shiina Ringo if that helps.
I appreciate your advice. Thanks.
>>51415759
well then you have people like >>51415759
which is not to say he's wrong, but you kind of just need to hear it yourself to know for sure.
if you think you like increased bass and treble, dt770. if not, 7506s.
>>51415780
woops, meant to link to this guy, though its probably obvious>>51415703
>>51415561
To my limited knowledge, Otala's work has been thoroughly disproven.
The conversion by Questyle just makes it redundant then. A trinket. I was misled by their touting. However, the Bakoon Tyll tested is definitely a transconductance amp and there was pretty much no measured difference beyond the expected interactions of high output Z.
>>51415703
V-shaped is weird. I've got the V-Moda M-100s and the bass isn't satisfying at all unless EQ'd. The treble just gets in the way. Maybe I'm just treble sensitive
I'd like some bluetooth IEMs under or around $50. Any good ones or is wireless still terrible?
Sorry for being retarded but I read something about a sale somewhere on M50x's and I can't find anything so I just thought I'd ask if anyone knows what that's about or if I'm just stupid.
>>51416633
dont buy those shit fucking headphones mate...
Xiaomi piston 3 sound hollow, recessed mids?
>>51416751
K anything else in that price range recommended for producing?
>>51416789
do you have to have closed? do you have an amp? did you read the <$200 recs in the op?
>>51416811
I would prefer closed, I don't have an amp, and I read the recs but I'm not quite sure the difference between each. Like why the M40x is recommended but apparently the M50x is shit.
>>51416852
get dt770 80 ohm
some phones suck, some are great. it's dependent on too many different things to start talking about. its a lot more complex than something like the difference between a 4770 and 4770k processor.
youre dealing with an analog device that's supposed to appeal to one of the human senses. there are a lot of different ways to think about it.
>tfw have AD700X
>want to get more headphones
I don't know what I want now. Do I want more bass heavy now, or do I get smaller closed backs that fit tighter for travel?
>Have ATH-M50
>See Velour Earpads on Massdrop for $20
Is it worth it? Planning on keeping these headphones for at least the next several years, so I'm thinking of buying them.
cant wait for measurements on the t1 2nd gens
>>51417608
Already been done and they're shit.
http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/beyerdynamic-t1-generation-2-measurements.527/
http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/beyerdynamic-t1-gen-1-vs-gen-2-comparison.541/
What's the improvements does the newer T1v2 has over the original T1?
I just got HD600s, and i'm using realtek 898 with X-fi MB2 + behringer AMP.
Would a schiit modi2 DAC be a noticeable difference?
>>51417829
No unless you have audible problems right now with your setup.
>>51417852
Cool thanks.
My fidelio X2 seem weak on bass, what amp would help fix that issue?
>>51417870
Amp does not magically improve a certain range of frequencies. Voltage division could be problematic on some outputs and headphones leading into poor damping which can in some extent cases be audible. Any amplifier with low output impedance should fix that issue. The usual recommendation of Magni or O2 applies.
>>51417899
>extent
extreme*
>>51416775
you're either not getting a good seal or you're very much used to a bassier sound. the piston 3 does not have as much bass as the 2, but it is definitely not recessed.
>>51417001
well what brand/type of velour pads are they? $20 is pretty much standard price for decent velours, not really a sale, also be aware they reduce bass.
>>51417870
no. either yours is fucked in some way or you're used to much more powerful bass. the x2 has a ~5db bass boost at it's peak, its quite noticeable.
Hello, what do you guys think about the sennheiser hd650?
>>51418188
I think you should consider suicide, namefag
Thoughts on the ath-tad500s for a pair of low price opens?
>>51417955
>piston 3 does not have as much bass as the 2, but it is definitely not recessed.
It's definitely recessed. I don't get the hype.
Piston 3:
http://ko.goldenears.net/board/index.php?mid=GR_Earphones&page=2&document_srl=5758479
vs
Piston 2:
http://ko.goldenears.net/board/5730660
>>51413284
SRH1540 is something you should check out if you want don't mind slightly emphasized bass. Comfy, but no folding mechanisms so not super portable.
>>51418347
It's a good alternative to HI 2050. Very underrated.
>>51417899
>>51417955
>>51418510
> taking the bait so easily
>>51414358
>noise canceling. Don't want to hear anyone
>>Open or closed
>closed
>>Comfort level
>i would prefer comfort over sound quality but I don't want a drop in sound canceling quality
SRH840 is something to check out. Most great sounding headphones aren't 100% noise cancelling, especially when no music is being played. Some isolate better than others.
Also you can check out Sennheiser momentums or HP50.
Ignore the HD600 suggestion, they are completely open and don't isolate at all.
>>51418347
Is there measurements for this headphone? You're supposed to buy stuff that you can compare with online easily.
>>51418560
Oh really. You say underrated what do people not like about them?
>>51418188
They're only decent if what you exclusively listen to is female vocals
>>51418347
>>51418575
NVM. I spoke too soon...
http://www.geocities.jp/ryumatsuba/ath-tad500.html
http://www.geocities.jp/ryumatsuba/hi2050.html
>>51418575
Sorry, I don't really know what you mean.
>>51418575
>>51418590
This one is better.
http://en.goldenears.net/30439
>>51418587
I haven't heard any complains yet, but the measurements show they're lacking bass which is common for cheap open headphones.
>>51418590
Oh ok, thanks.
>>51418565
what bait? this post?
>>51418639
This post: >>51417870
>>51418589
What?
>>51418188
It's good but the HD 600 is better as it's more neutral and cheaper. I have the HD 650. It has slightly better bass extension than HD 600 but also higher amplitude at around 100Hz and at the same time a warm tilt which means the upper mids and highs are somewhat lower in amplitude than the lows. If you like that sort of sound signature it might be a good option. I just ended up equalizing it to as flat as I could. Sounds amazing after it like most headphones do. It's comfy and it's quite easy to drive despite their large impedance.
things in /hpg/ that need to die
>upgrading your DAC
>tube amplifiers
>transducer type meme(planar bass etc)
>you need colored headphones to suit certain genre of music
>listening to your gear
>calling every recommendation shilling, replying to shills and shitposters
>>51418752
you
>>51418752
>>upgrading your DAC
>>tube amplifiers
Not a /hpg/ thing.
>>transducer type meme(planar bass etc)
When people say planar bass, they just mean uncolored bass.
>>you need colored headphones to suit certain genre of music
>>listening to your gear
Agreed, probably the worst memes.
>>calling every recommendation shilling
Agreed for the most part, but when people recommend open Sennheiser headphones to people asked for closed headphones, it's pretty obvious shilling. I've seen this at least 3 times.
>replying to shills and shitposters
Reporting doesn't do anything. It's understandable that people want to combat it.
>>51418601
Right, imo the lacking bass is probably worth it to have the open experience
extended bass > nig bass
>>51418912
question for you guys, im new as far as good headphones are concerned, Ive had m50x for about a year now that I got for 120 dollars with a fiio e6 bundled, I just bought the shp9500 bc they were only 50 dollars, what should I expect as far as a change in sound quality, ive never even had open cans before btw.
>>51419007
When it comes in the mail let us know. I'm interested in your opinions if SHP9500 is good or not. First thing you'll notice is that it lacks bass and it sounds bright. I don't know about instrument separation and it might sound better or worse. Once it comes let us know if it's good or trash.
>>51419007
significantly less bass and extension in the bass, overall more highs.
>>51419062
will do, i wish someone who has em could tell me, but for 50 dollars and with all those good reviews it must atleast be worth the money
>>51419071
What does extended in bass mean? I think SHP9500 has rolled off bass from here http://en.goldenears.net/31990
>>51419091
extension means how far into the bass/highs it measures while still being balanced in that range. like you said the shp9500 has rolled off bass, so it lacks bass extension.
>>51419062
>>51419091
Put on your trip.
>>51418814
>not a /hpg/ thing
Tubes aren't but there are people every day asking for DAC upgrades even if they already have a working one and maybe even a discrete unit already. Multibit ladder is a shitty meme too.
>planar bass
I'm quite sure that's not what people mean. People associate the transducer types with some inherent properties like planar drivers having flat bass response. While that is true for some models, there are plenty of examples showing the opposite. Then we have the few morons like the one who started talking about congestion on driver types etc which is not an issue at all with any type of driver.
>>51419147
>Then we have the few morons like the one who started talking about congestion on driver types etc which is not an issue at all with any type of driver.
He might have just worded it poorly. I don't think it's completely unreasonable to suggest that different drivers sound different even if they measure the same. We know that open and closed headphones sound different, so it wouldn't be too far fetched to believe that a driver covering a larger area might sound different from a smaller one.
>>51416025
I'd rather not talk too much about feedback mess in audio circles that can partly be blamed on Otala's publications. Otala seemed to think the CCIF test was fine to qualify it, and music does not have as much transient content as the 19+20 kHz IMD test. The slew distortion just doesn't seem an issue these days, whatever validity it had to start with.
The point of it would be the changes made to the gain loop, a transimpedance amplifier. I happen to think it is trying solving a problem that has been already solved for audio a long time ago.
>>51419214
>We know that open and closed headphones sound different, so it wouldn't be too far fetched to believe that a driver covering a larger area might sound different from a smaller one.
Yes of course but this too isn't something you can generalize by driver type alone.
My HD 800s sound different from my HD 650s even if both are equalized very closely to the same target. And I'm not talking about differences in tonality, I'm talking about how "open" they sound. Both are open dynamic headphones but there's a difference in the driver size, distance and alignment which might be contributing to the difference I hear. It's next to impossible to quantify or prove this and part of it might be just in my head but I don't think I'm alone with that impression. Frequency response is by far the most important thing but I think it's safe to assume it's not the only thing contributing to the sound of headphones.
>>51419147
Most of the time, the people asking about DACs are totally naive. I know that one guy with the Audio-GD crap, and maybe a couple of people asking about R-2R.
Congestion is not a thing, ever.
>>51419321
Open and closed headphones can be measured different too.
As for something like HD800, there are many possible sources of differences.
>it's not the only thing contributing to the sound of headphones
Very true. But most the things people try to attribute to something aside frequency response are things that are affected by FR (clarity, soundstage/localization, "impact", timbre, "dynamics").
>>51419305
My sentiments exactly. Its like the multibit retardation perpetuated by Schiit - spending lots of money to solve something that is inconsequential or even detrimental to the listening experience and based on flawed science.
As a layman, I thought Douglas Self's argument against such amplifiers in his book was rather well-explained.
>>51418510
Oh. that explains everything... I was seriously wondering why i was only hearing decent bass and somewhat okay highs while everything else seemed muffled and hollow. Like vocals and stuff.
That frequency response is insane, it's the definition of V shape. It only bothers me because other headphones sound clearer than the pistons, before i got good headphones i had the piston 2s
and i thought those sounded amazing but i had nothing to compare them to. People say that V shape is a fun signature but to the extreme the pistons take it, it sounds so unnatural. Is that what
the DT770s sound like? I'm guessing people get used to it due to mental burn-in and probably think neutral or warm headphones are unnatural sounding.
>>51419926
The amp doesn't have to be expensive.
I see TIM as a mostly harmless idea, whether it is valid to start with, engineering has moved past that.
R-2R and string DACs are expensive, much more than a comparable audio range delta-sigma chip. I think Schiit has made some more incredulous claims than multi-bit for audio.
Self was arguing against current feedback or transconductance? Transconductance is definitely stupid.
Doug Self is informative but dogmatic. Annoys me a bit, but a good read.
This reminds me, I need to brush up on my circuit design.
>>51411673
>autism taste
you are an entry level /mu/tant normie at best
>>51420482
Thing is that the placebophile firms (see Nelson Pass' Firstwatt, the aforementioned Bakoon) are making out transconductance as some exotic fringe amplification method (which it is for audio) with magical results, charging exorbitant prices for them. It doesn't have to be expensive but it sure as hell is for the audio consumer.
Self is against transconductance with the very limited caveats of use in multi-amped active speaker setups with minimal impedance swing IIRC. In my view, he is correct. The big issues affecting distortion are the non-linearities inherent to the elastic components of the driver moving and transconductance doesn't begin to solve that as far as I can see. Its impact is pretty much minuscule when we discount the massive FR deviations that can be introduced.
![sony_mdr_xb500_1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/euQmCAf.jpg "sony_mdr_xb500_1[1].jpg")
/r/ing a good pair of soft around-the-ear headphones that will stay snuggly attached to my head, will NOT leak enough sound that my roommates can hear the weird porn I'm watching, have good sound quality, and will NOT scrape the shit out of my head.
I've been wearing these for some years and it's like, if I don't have them attached all the way to my head they fall right off and are just generally uncomfortable as hell, but when I do have them snugly attached, the head part GIVES ME A FUCKING BALD SPOT ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD
>>51419473
I completely agree.
>>51420211
V-shape is much more subtle on the DT770s.
>>51421274
By budget is 130 bucks but the lower the better. Something close to 80/90 dollars right now would be fantastic
>>51421274
>>51421298
XPT100
I am currently looking for headphones that I can wear around the office. What I am looking for are headphones that don't bleed out sound from the headphones.
Do any of these headphones look good? Would you recommend anything else under 200?
RHA MA750i
Shure SE215-CL
Audio-Technica ATH-IM70
>>51421317
You sure this won't fuck my hair up even more?
>>51421352
I can't guarantee anything if you're balding.
>>51421370
I'm 19, my balding is not natural, my hair has been rubbed off from the headphones
>>51405613
Yo, it's not super related but I know guys in these threads are mad chill. I'm looking for that youtube video of the software that uses 3D models but makes stunning looking, 2D anime babes?
>>51421167
I meant Questyle's approach with regards to price.
Things like Firstwatt speaker amp cannot be too cheap, the passive heatsinking and thermal design cost too much. A fan would really help, but that's not home audio friendly and I don't want one either.
I wasn't even considering Bakoon or Firstwatt stuff for audio. I don't want to even discuss this more, someone might read this and get some silly ideas.
>>51421348
None of those leak sound. You'd have to decide on fit and build quality and other things, but leak is a non issue.
>>51411696
What about an owl
>>51421348
That's what I was trying to figure out for weeks now.
>RHA MA-750
>good build quality
>owest isolation of all
>most praised sound
>can be uncomfortable because they're heavy
>good sounding
>Shure SE215
>excellent isolation for a dynamic driver, almost on par with the Etymotic
>tons of bass and recessed treble
>build quality is meh
>most comfortable
>Etymotic HF-5
>best isolation of all
>can be uncomfortable since you have to stick a dildo in your ears
>best [citation needed] sounding, but also it lacks bass presence because of the single balanced armor driver
>build quality is arguably worse than the SE215
Don't know about the Audio Technica, since in Europe they're only imported from Japan and it's not convenient to wait weeks and go through customs just for a pair of IEMs.
>Budget
0-110$
>Location
Norway
>Source
Acer E700 (smartphone)
>Preferred type of headphone
Silicone IEM
>Past headphones
Beyerdynamic DT770
Sony MDR-V6
I mostly need them to listen to podcasts from and to uni, i will only use them when traveling. (over ear headsetts are to warm)
>>51421749
Shure SE215-K or SE215-CL
(just a colour difference)
If you want to spend less money consider the
SoundMagic E10, really great IEMs for the price.
>>51421749
>>51422352
Shit, i left out the most important part. They have to be really durable
>>51421749
>i will only use them when traveling
You'll need isolation: Etymotic Mk5 (or HF-5 if you want more eartips and a balanced armor) and Shure SE215 are the most isolating IEMs at that price point.
>>51422405
>They have to be really durable
>durability
>IEMs
Eh...
>>51422405
You can replace the cable on the Shure SE215
Here i go, my headphones are breaking apart
>Budget
100-120 dollas
>Location
Europe
>Source
Desktop pc
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized, don't care if open or closed
>Comfort level
comfy
>Preferred music
Electronic music, rock, drum'n'bass
>Past headphones
Koss Porta Pro, Syberia v2
>>51422443
Until the shitty connector doesn't break. :^)
What should I go for:
Sennheiser HD 439 or ATH-M40X?
I mainly listen to funk/house/techno/jazz
>>51423513
dont go for meme-techina
>>51423543
? what do you mean
I remember /hpg/ saying it was a good brand
>Budget
~120 usd
i don't mind buying used if it's not rekt
>Location
shitholistan (will buy from US, shipping should be ~$30)
>Source
m-audio usb interface
>Preferred type of headphone
circumaural
>Open or closed
open (i have closed)
>Comfort level
2h+ sessions
i wear glasses
so high
>Preferred tonal balance
neutral to warm, not too bright, not too bassy, not tiring
>Preferred music
rock, pop, jazz, edm, metal
>Past headphones
pic related, looking for open set for desktop
AKG K271 MK2 (desktop)
Sony MDR-1RBT (portable)
>>51405613
Where do I get more of these headphone babes?
>>51423663
go back to /a/ or /d/
>>51423513
M40x beats HD 439 in everything except for comfort.
>>51423603
ATH-TAD500
>>51423603
Philips SHP9500
>>51423703
No.
>>51423704
>ATH-TAD500
thanks, will look into these
>>51423726
you too, thanks!
Is it a bad idea to get open headphones for work? I live in a noisy cubicle landscapes but I don't want to disturb.
>>51423766
>I live in a noisy cubicle landscapes
>I don't want to disturb.
Two reasons why it's a bad idea.
>>51423746
no problem pal!
Check out this review.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aipXii-qWiQ
>>51423811
why would you assume i'm this new?
Guis I just got the Razer Kraken Pro headphones. Isn't it the best quality out there? It only takes up one audio jack so more room for other stuff to be plugged in right??
>>51423787
Been looking at DT770 since they are closed right? They aren't available in my country so it's no good. How are the T70? Too expensive and a waste of money?
Beyerdynamic DT 1350 and AKG K181 DJ on sale on Massdrop. Are they any good?
>>51423832
They're fucking garbage.
>How to request purchase advice:
http://pastebin.com/hjHkKDyM
>>51423832
Check out the Sony MDR-7506 or V6
