I'm fully self-diagnozed and I don't have any actual hardcore mental illnesses. But for several years, I've felt empty. I can barely cry sometimes, but I'm almost never happy. And it seems to be getting worse. I have no motivation to do anything, I can't focus, I can't even get horny anymore. I'm not excited about anything. Nothing makes me happy.
What can I do to make this better? I still remember the feeling of being excited of things and feeling good when you success in something.
Is there any medication, supplement or anything to cut this feeling?
Theres no cure
You just become dead inside
>>37187067
Do you work/study/ etc?
Is your family relations ok?
Do you friends/social circle ?
Any really self destructive behaviors?
I know it's a cliche, but try to find a really good psychiatrist (not psychologist, they're not doctors just shitty counselors). They'll hopefully find the core of what's screwing you over, but more importantly sort out your shitty thought processes and find a medication that does you good instead of just throwing some meme pills at you. Antidepressants are great if you get a good one, they don't make you feel happy or high but they'll prevent that crushing feeling that comes out of nowhere. Yes, they kill your sex drive but frankly who gives a shit. I don't know why anyone would want to be dying inside and horny simultaneously.
>>37187096
>Do you work/study/ etc?
I study, or I'm enrolled at uni but I haven't been there in months and I haven't passed any courses this year. I can't focus, I have 0 motivation. I have a part time job which doesn't pay much but thanks for it I got some routines. I wish I could study something I was interested and I wish I'd have a full-time job. I'd rather be busy and saving money, maybe I wouldn't be so down then. Now all I think is remember all the old embarrassing things I've ever done in my life. Over and over again.
>Is your family relations ok?
My family lives in an another country and they don't care about me much. But it's mutual. We don't fight nor we never have, but we just simply aren't close. I got few close friends who are my family, but I've noticed that I don't really enjoy spending time with them anymore. When I'm with them, I feel like going home.
>Any really self destructive behaviors?
I don't control my diet. I'm slowly gaining weight. Nothing drastic and I'm not overweight, but sure it sucks. But the short pleasure from food is the only one I got. Other than that I'm not suicidal or harm myself.
>>37187159
In my country you don't get to see a psychiatrist unless you have actually severe issues. And I know that my parents, I'm not paranoid or anything. I'm not really traumatized either, nor dangerous in any way.
But maybe I should invest and go see a private psychiatrist even though it's expensive as fuck and not really suitable for my budget.
>>37187067
Took me like a year. Read a few books mostly on Mindfulness (really helped me), started some new hobbies. Was just coming out of it when I met my girlfriend who was amazing and the first girl I dated that I genuinely saw a future with. Felt REALLY good at that time.
10 months later of dating her she *literally* changes her personality overnight from loving me, wanting to cuddle, making all these summer plans, wanting to move in together, to her not sure having feelings for me and acting like a robot. So she dumped me and cut me out of her life.
She's Bipolar as fuck and in an episode but the suddenness of it all has made me slip right back into depression. Literally my perfect girl in every way and I'm not exaggerating that, so it's really hard to say "fuck that bitch" and move on.
NEVER date a Bipolar girl. With normal relationships you can at least kind of sense it falling apart and that somethings wrong, try to work on it together....With a Bipolar chick, she'll decide she hates you one night and you're donezo.
>>37187067
I was on antidepressants for two years.
One day I just decided to stop being a sad cunt and stopped taking my meds cold turkey. Never looked back. You have so much more control over your emotions than you think.
Gl bro.
>>37187067
you dont
you just hide it with lifting and social media
people think you are happy but they dont know the real story
>>37188262
Thats not a good idea
>>37187067
nothing can really help
just find good quality distractions that make you forget you are depressed temporarily
>>37188309
most people pretending to be happy are doing it for show
you dont see how they really feel more or less
>>37188337
>>37188325
You really think this is the case? Is everyone depressed?
>>37188349
im just saying people hide a lot of stuff. ESPECIALLY on social media.
people want validation but you dont hear about all the bad stuff. it's a very misleading representation.
>>37188241
Happened to me as well, exactly the same shit, one day she was there and we were happy and the next she was cold as fuck saying that she didn't feel anything for me anymore.
Now I have to see her almost every day doing stuff with our common friends but she never talks to me or looks at me. Basically I don't exist to her anymore. I get the weirdest feeling like I am the only one who remembers what we had. This shit is really hard to move on from, if at least there had been some kind of conflict I could get my head around it. But like this I can't, I just don't know why she went away and why she seems happier now. It has been 6 months already and I show no signs of improvement in this respect.
Some day, I will forget.
But anyway, I can't let this shit stop me, I am working on self-improvement to pass the time and that seems to work. I'd recommend reading books about self-improvement topics like fitness or mental health.
>>37188262
Fuck you this is trash advice
OP there's no one thing that'll make you feel better. View it as an injury that's keeping you from working out. Accept that it's there, don't strain yourself, and look for the right steps to help you get better.
Injuries are a bitch and can take forever to heal, so be patient and understanding of yourself. See a doctor you click with, you'll know it when it happens
>>37188349
no, but a lot of people are depressed
normies aren't depressed
but you are on 4chan, you aren't a normie
>>37188374
lifting will make you feel better, I wont deny that
im just saying it wont make you less lonely. but, bettering yourself is still 100% better than doing nothing. never give up.
>>37187067
You probably jerk off too much.
"nofap is a meme" - depressed, porn-addicted retards
>>37187067
>How did you cure your depression?
I eat. NOm nom nom
>>37187067
Just accept it. Not being influenced by heavy emotions is a blessing.
You shouldn't expect to be happy all the time in , earth is the wrong place for that.
Harness your numbness to plow through work and be generally productive so that at the end of the day you can look back and at least know the future will be better than today.
>>37188394
Yah exactly. Trying different things is what depressed people should do. Including >>37188399
>>37188399
As said, I don't get aroused at all anymore so I rarely do it
>>37187089
Yay
do some psychedelics like shrooms or dmt
>>37187067
Not reading the whole thread so don't know if someone has said this already, but depression in men is sometimes caused by low testosterone, so try getting some from the doc or ordering it online and see if it helps. Anti-depression meds don't do jack shit but knock you out for the next 10 hours.
Source: 2 parents in the FDA, one uncle as a professor for pharmacology
eh, your life probably sucks. get a better life.
chances are its not "depression", that's just a word for people with genuine (rare) mental illness or who can't take responsibility for their mental wellbeing. if your life sucks (ie job you hate, wife is banging black guys etc) then it doesn't take sherlock holmes to tell you how to improve it.
>>37188510
Does test cure female depression?
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>>37187067
I was in a similar situation for the last few years (I dropped out pretty fast though and was doing drugs) , During those few moments I had the motivation to do anything and wanted to feel better I would just play games, watch shows and eat ... a lot. I thought if I kept doing the things that made me instantaneously happy i'd feel better but I always ended up worse.
Recently in the last few months I haven't been depressed at all though, I think it's a combination of 2 things.
I developed an ego/a bit of vanity and picked up hobbies that aren't really related to my day to day (for me my first few were coffee brewing, running and cooking)
My depression started in my early teens, moved around a lot and my older brother died.
Stayed fucked up until my mid 20s, somehow I managed to avoid drugs and alcohol, went through a period of sexual addiction(staying in bad relationships just to fuck) honestly I probably would have killed myself at that time had it not been for the sex.
I eventually bottomed out and started to make slow changes to my life, if there is a silver bullet for depression, I never found it. But, slowly improving yourself and your life can bring you to a pretty decent place.
Its said depression ultimately boils down to the lack of perceived options. Start small and be practical, if your goals are too lofty you will get yourself into trouble.
>>37188616
im basically you but I cant even find bad relationships to have sex in
so I lift, nothing better to do. ultimately im still alone, only social media/games/internet stuff keeps me somewhat social.
>>37188629
Have you ever tried quitting video games? It isn't easy, but it really can force you to change.
>>37188650
and what else am I going to do?
I dont even play games a lot, it's just something to do at home. I stopped playing mmos long ago
>>37187167
>failing uni
>studying something you hate
>part time job you don't like
>no family relationship
>not controlling your diet
ok so... I wonder why you're feeling sad?
I have a story for you:
My math professor used to be a firefighter. He didn't really care about his studies when he was in high school so he figured being a firefighter was a nice career for him.
The guys he worked with were nice, they were all like a big family. But all they talked about was football, women and food. The math guy wanted more! He was bored, he was depressed.
So he got into a community college, started by just talking general ed. It was hard, but he managed. And he found out what he really wanted to do: study math!
Now he's a professor, making more than enough money and doing what he's passionate about. He has a really nice and cute wife, whom he met in uni.
Moral:
If your life is not bringing you happiness, change it.
You may not know exactly what brings you happiness but you need to explore to find out.
So, maybe some people are ok with being firefighters but that guy wasn't, so he changed his life to make him happy.
Maybe some people are happy going to college and you aren't, maybe what will make you happy is being a plumber like mario and having a high test qt hispanic wife who likes to dominate you in bed.
>>37188616
>Its said depression ultimately boils down to the lack of perceived options
no, depression is about chemical imbalance. your life went downhill; you didn't just contract depression, your mind reacted in a perfectly normal way to trauma, you felt shitty because your life was shitty then. if there is a silver bullet to feeling like shit like that, its doing exactly what you're doing - making your life less shitty. really is as simple as that, though it feels the opposite.
depression is kinda like trying to lift 1000lbs over your head as a DYEL.
you can try, but it wont really change the end result: you cant lift that weight.
yes, you can do stuff to make yourself feel better for a little bit, but ultimately feeling bad for so long means that is all you are doing: coping with a bad situation. all the pep talks in the world wont change that. you are just finding ways to keep on living, when in reality your life itself is pretty shit.
take me for example. lifting might make me feel good. but it wont make me less lonely, and it wont change my life in any meaningful way. but I do it, cause I like it. it's one of the small things that keeps me going, in an otherwise forgettable daily life.
>>37188373
I honestly don't think they comprehend what they did. Like they just lack the self-awareness or they create stories of how they did nothing wrong.
It's fucking scary. When I try to text her about it she talks to me like a completely different person without emotions.
What do you feel about dating again? I can't imagine dating anyone seriously for a longass time after this
>>37187067
I fixed depression by becoming a submissive, anorexic slut.
I have way more energy and focus when I eat ~1000cals a day. I do more work, more physical activity, more sex, more activity.
More Life.
It's like wearing a chastity cage amped up my sex drive and then diffused it across my entire life, making everything...zestier.
I've leverage my sex drive into everything I do. Hugely useful mental tool.
Need to get off 4chan and do something more with your life. Read a book or something.
>>37188666
I think the point anon was getting at was that because it's something you do at home, that means you're staying in rather than going out and trying to socialize. Your best weapon to beat depression is the support of other people. I know it can be hard to push yourself into awkward situations, I have pretty strong social anxiety myself, but the more friends you make, the more the world will open up to you.
>>37188685
Even if it is a chemical imbalance, the effect that most feel is exactly what anon described, a lack of perceived options. If you understand that trauma or life issues can cause chemical imbalances, then surely you could see how fixing one's viewpoint could have a positive effect on the balance of their neurotransmitter levels.
>>37188829
noone wants to talk to random people
you cant just make friends easily unless you are attractive or rich
>>37187067
Religion and purpose through God
>>37188542
I have no idea about that. Not many studies are done for women and testosterone since it fucks them up beyond all belief. Not having enough test might be a factor for depression in women, but I would never take test as a women without the guidance of a endocrinologist that specializes in women and test.
You could try going to a nutritionist and tell him/her your normal diet and ask for what micronutrients you are missing. Sometimes prolonged deficiencies in certain mircos can trigger mental problems.
If you have gone through any major hormonal changes such as menopause, pregnancy, or even switching methods of birth control, I would go see an endocrinologist and see if that has something to do with it. Women that get post pregnancy or post menopausal depression generally have a hard time overcoming it on their own since their hormones are going through a large number of changes.
Also notice that most of this advice is saying to go see an actual specialist. Don't take any medical or mental health advice from people on the internet without talking to a doctor first. I personally don't believe psychologists do anything that a person can't do on their own to overcome depression, since psychologists rarely treat the cause, but rather the symptoms.
>>37188719
And how does one even attempt to lift 1000 lbs?
Slowly.
If you want to lift big, you train to lift big. Sure, you probably can't DL 4pl8 if you've just started lifting, but does that mean you never get there?
The point I'm making is simply that curing depression, like bodybuilding, takes time, dedication, and effort. Just like the weights, it's going to fight you the whole way, and you might slip up and fallback into the same funk, but if you give up hope, then you'll never break it.
Don't give up hope. Depression is common, there are many people who've beaten it. I know you want to beat it, otherwise you wouldn't be on /fit/. You can do it anon.
>>37187089
Agreeing with this anon. Being dead inside helps a whole lot. Ignoring any form of emotions has helped me coast through life easier. Its not the greatest, but it works. I have been depressed my whole life, literally. Currently still am. I do not take medication, but they probably make things better. Paired with social anxiety, I've been pretty fucked up. Ive broken down countless times by myself and to friends; surprisingly, I am still friends with them.
Some form of strong support system that is NOT yourself helps tremendously. It creates stability in an otherwise chaotic world within you. Weed has helped me relax and curved my thought process. MDMA has helped me with my social anxiety and depression, true happiness etc. Shrooms have helped me figure out my thought process more, even including my bad trip. I am not advocating these drugs, just my personal experience.
Honestly, you are your worst and greatest ally in fighting depression. Worst in that you cannot help, but think about and feel like complete shit. Great in that, regardless of all these feelings, you are in control of your life. Its not about finding hope or some miracle to save you, its about telling yourself you exist to exist. Find hobbies and do them because you enjoy it. Work to improve yourself step by step so that you are strong enough to take the beating when shit hits the fan. It will happen, countless times. You may find purpose, you may not, but whats important is that you never give up. Its not going away, you just figure out how to deal with it. Just exist and dont question shit like that and do you.
One day I just got fed up of being sad all the time and chose to not be sad
>>37188876
I don't mean to say you should start talking to strangers, that's obviously not the easiest way to make friends. What you should really do is find a hobby, a sport, some interesting club, internship, job, whatever. Just get out somewhere and DO something with other people. Trust me, it's a lot easier to make friends when you're doing something that you can talk over.
Smoking is actually a very good example of this. I smoke quite a lot and I can honestly say that I do it more for the conversation than the high.
>>37188741
Well, in my case I contacted her 3 times after that through text. The first two she was cold and cutting the interaction short. The last one she didn't even reply. It feels so strange knowing that this girl opened up to me emotionally like she never had done with anyone. She was a virgin until she met me because of some fucked up past stories. She cried many times talking about her past and I would cheer her up and make her laugh. We were so close, I had never felt like this for anyone before. And one day she just disappeared.
I think she was just trying to run away from her past, and being with me makes her have to face it. Or at least that is the story I tell myself, but I really have no idea why she went away so fast. I don't really like thinking like this but it actually hurts me seeing that she is happy and going out with friends like nothing happened. It's a bittersweet feeling because in a way this is also what I wanted for her, but I didn't think she would have to cut me out to get it.
Anyway, this is just one girl with emotional issues. I had other girlfriends in the past and none of this shit happened. So, it's not like I think this will happen again, the idea doesn't scare me away from dating. What I feel is that I am not sure I will be able to care for someone the way I did for her again in a very long time. I have had some contact with some girls who maybe wanted something but I was just not interested to invest the time into getting anything out of it. It's like this experience has left me emotionally numb. If I can't get her back I don't see myself going for anything more than fwb.
But as all of this is still quite recent, maybe time changes things. For the moment I keep lifting and reading...
>>37188719
you're seriously an fucking idiot mate.
you have a shit life, so you feel shit. you like the parts of your life in which you are lifting, so you feel a bit better then. see the common theme?
acquire a life that isn't shit, then you can come back and delude anons into thinking that their situation is hopeless.
>>37188865
absolutely, our thoughts and feelings are a function of our day to day lives. if you sit in front of the computer all day browsing some of the most toxic website online ie 4chan, then of fucking course your life will suck, it wouldn't make sense if that WASN'T the case. put shit in, get shit out.
>>37188971
Tbh anon, your post made my chuckle a little. You say it's best to be dead inside, but you advocate social support, hobbies, and perseverance. To me it sounds like the only keeping you from feeling alive is your perception of your life.
We all feel inadequate sometimes. Those of us who dwell on it end up here, conversing over depression on 4chan. Recognize that everyone around you is just as conscious as you, and that their experience, just like yours, is unique.
>>37189096
Couldn't have said it better senpai
>All these people saying "You just have to make your life better!"
>You're not studying/Working/finding hobbies just because you're lazy!
Ahah holy shit
It's like telling a poor person that having money would solve their problems
No shit sherlock
There is this misconception perpetrated by popular culture that willpower is an infinite resource and all it takes to muster it is literally wanting to
Guess what, it's not
When you're depressed, every action takes like five times out of your willpower pools as it would on a normal person
But it's not like I anyone without it would understand
Depressed people are pretty much condemned to being called lazy fucks until they kill themselves, then they will be remembered as people who deserved it
The only ones who could ever understand are other fulgid examples of human trash who wouldn't want to associate with others of their kind anyway
It's pretty much a terminal illness, only instead of netting you sympathy like cancer does, it only spurs people on to kick you while you're down
>>37188510
>Anti-depression meds don't do jack shit but knock you out for the next 10 hours.
Yeah, because the only antidepressant meds on the market are serotonin blockers, right?
And because Triciclical AD doesn't exist, right?
And because dopamine enhancers aren't an entire other class of AD, right?
People like you disgust me.
You read on a blog somewhere that antidepressants are the devil and totally make you crazy, so you peddle online to people whose happiness could literally be inside a pill that they shouldn't chase a cure.
Your trash opinion is the easiest way to spot someone full of shit, the "AD will just make you docile and sleepy" bullshit.
Antidepressants operate in class. The 'calming' ones are prescribed to people with OCD, Anxiety and panic attacks.
NO PSYCHIATRIST ON THE PLANET would prescribe those to the typical 4chan depressed guy, the apathetic loser whose life is in shambles because even waking up is a chore.
Those people get prescribed stimulants.
They do the exact opposite, compared to your bullshit.
They make you feel energized, they pump your brain full of motivation, they let you feel like a normal person right off the bat.
If you want to use that energy to run, study, or just to masturbate 14 hours, it's your choice.
But the point is they make you ENERGIZED.
AWAKE.
ALIVE.
And then we have retards like you, making up shit like "lmao I'm totally a doctor tust me, antidepressants don't work", while splendidly demonstrating you don't know shit about the most basic aspects of what you're pretending you know anything about.
Currently seeing a therapist and psychiatrist (kek!). Don't take antidepressants man, they're shItty and in the end it's you that changes your mind. I've gone and am going through the same thing as you and am diagnosed with major depression. It's honestly a weird feeling being depressed and feeling great at the same time. Maybe you think that life is pointless and you keep looking for that adrenaline rush. I suggest eating healthy, stop watching porn. I personally end up feeling awesome when I don't jerk off but if you have to just don't do it to port. Try to do it without thinking about anything. People say it's a meme but I'm calling bullshit. I think the most important thing is just to be able to talk to someone genuine and be able to be completely open with them. If you have a close friend then talk to them and really reveal what specifically about life makes you unhappy, because the truth is that some stuff about life is bothering you and not just life is boring and nothing makes you happy. I've been in the exact same position as you and whatever is stopping you from being happy, you just got to push through it. Maybe there is something you want to do but feel like something is stopping you, but you just gotta take it slow and move on because let's face it, your mind is acting illogicaly and there is something out there that will make you happy, you just have to find what
>>37189441
Sounds like you just had a boring life.
Actually depressed people won't get any benefits in the long run from your advice, since an actual depressed patient won't be able to feel happy even when they 'should'.
>>37189315
>It's pretty much a terminal illness, only instead of netting you sympathy like cancer does, it only spurs people on to kick you while you're down
Then why are you sill alive?
WHATEVER YOU DO DO NOT TAKE ANTI DEPRESSANTS
ITS ALL A SCAM
THEY DONT WORK
IN FACT THEY DO THE _EXACT OPPOSITE_ OF WHAT THEYRE SUPPOSED TO DO
BUT NO ONE NOTICED UP UNTIL NOW
DO NOT TAKE MEDICATION FOR YOUR ILLNESS
ESPECIALLY NOT FROM """""""DOCTORS""""""""
>>37189541
Because terminal doesn't mean that it instantly kills you, just that it eventually does
>>37188971
I am the anon that made that post.
Lifting really helped me put away my pain and depressed feelings.
Having.mental discipline is also good. You must try to cut your depressed thoughts down before they spiral into bad feelings.
Lastly the realisation that all things come to an end - good and bad - helps me a lot
>>37189548
>DO NOT TAKE MEDICATION FOR YOUR ILLNESS
>ESPECIALLY NOT FROM """""""DOCTORS""""""""
kek
Those idiots and their degrees that took 15 years to get, what do they know about medicine?
Listen to this poster, medicines are all a scam from the evil gubbment to control us, just like vaccines
>>37189577
I'm asking because i will probably be dead soon. Wanted to know what reasons you have left to live.
>>37189608
I don't believe in an afterlife, so oblivion scares me much more than any possible shitty life
I recognize that one day I will break under the knowledge that everyone gets to have a life and I don't, but until then, I'm pretty much blackmailed by fear into continuing my life
>>37189595
Not him but anti depressants do way more bad than good.
>>37189633
Why does that scare you?
>>37189639
EXACTLY
>>37188941
ill try, I dont even know if im depressed (literally)
I just feel bad cause other than the gym I dont know what to do with my time.
>>37189595
Not him but the average doctor takes at most a semester of pharmacology and psychiatry is the easiest residency to get. The only competent psychiatrists I'd ever met had MD PhDs
>>37189639
>>37189660
They're recognized as an effective therapy in 70% of cases, and the statistic goes up to 85% if cases where more than one med is tried.
"Antidepressants are evil" are mostly a meme perpetrated by people who think psychomeds "Change your mind", "They make you a different person", and other bullshit of that caliber
The only thing an antidepressant does is tweak your reactions to events. That's it.
I won't change your thoughts, your memories, your perceptions. All it does is allow a person who can't feel pleasure, even when they should, to regain that feeling.
>>37189698
It's not really my fault if people go to shitty fake doctors.
"A hack gave me meds I didn't need" is a very different claim from "This med who every medical professional on the planet agrees is effective is actually poison, trust me", you'll agree.
>>37189740
>Doctors say it works
>The patients say it doesn't
I wonder whos opinion is more valuable
>>37189777
More like
>Doctor and patient say it work
>Thousands of people who have never taken it say it doesn't
>>37189787
is numbing yourself considered "working"?
is that actually making things better?
>>37189797
You just demonstrated you have no idea what you're talking about. Not that there was any need for you to do so any further.
I refer you to >>37189439
"AD just makes you numb/sleepy" is like a giant red button that tells you the person who just said it can be completely ignored.
>>37189478
You're a psychiatrist right? No? You obviouslyrics don't know what the fucking your talking about and depression manifests itself in many forms. I can't say my life has been boring as the situations I'm put in many people consider very exciting but I have a different perception of things. Try to be more mindful, I have been clinically diagnosed with major depressive disorder, recurrent severe without psychotic features. Pic related
>>37189670
Sounds like you need some fun in your life. Take up old hobbies from your childhood. Change your mindset from having to improve with everything you do, to having to have fun with everything you do.
>>37189810
I was given sertraline which is apparently an ssri and takes 2-6 weeks for you to feel any positive effect. But the side effects... oh boy.
>>37187067
Been there. When I was suffering from depression it wasn't like I felt sad, I hardly felt anything most of the time. Though with occasional moments where I'd feel really angry, or like I just wanted it to end.
Went to an art therapy group, that really helped. Getting a job helped even more. Exercise helps to keep me on the up.
It's hard and might seem like it won't help but doing constructive things is the way out. Get a job, do charity work, exercise, learn a craft or do some kind of art.
I' shit at making friends and meeting people, but work gives social interaction that helps. If you really can't find work, charities always need people willing to help.
It will get better (there might still be tough days) but it can be like it was before.
>>37189102
That is exactly the case. I am emotionally unstable, but not bipolar. Being dead inside removes that factor because emotions interfere with my life. Social support, hobbies, and perseverance are the ground work in fighting that instability. Its a catch-22, but something I have to deal with.
I feel inadequate all the time, because depression makes me extremely lonely. It does keep me from feeling alive, but that stems from fear. Fear of myself and what I will become. To me, there is such a thing as too much freedom. Ask yourself this, Have you ever broken a rule? Ever since breaking that rule, has it been easier to break it again? For me it, has.
I do not want to get lost in freedom. As a result, I bind myself to my perceptions, and create rules so that I can understand and handle the idea of freedom more capably. Ignorance is a fuckin blessing, the more you know and the more you understand, the harder it is to ignore shit. I am building myself in the image of what I know I am. For me, that has been my sole purpose in life, everything else around me has always been white noise. If not for this, I would have killed myself when I was a kid. What I feel now never existed before; I could not connect with people at all, I did not have any purpose, I did not care for friends, I did not care for family, I didnt care about anything. I was basically a clean slate of nothing. How do you think i felt being so detached with reality?
I dont know if it makes sense or not, I have a hard time expressing how I feel to other people so they understand what I mean.
>>37189740
Antidepressants working or not really depends on the patient. Either the patient wants to change things in their life, and the antidepressants basically help get them out of bed / face the world, so that they are able to function while they work on 'their shit', facing it, fixing it, feeling it, whatever.
Or the person doesn't want to 'face / fix their shit' in which case they use the antidepressants to function until they inevitably later on have the required nervous breakdown and start to fix their shit.
I suffered with mild depression, did therapy / st john's wort first, shit worked great. There's nothing wrong with anti depressants, just why would you fuck with your brain chemistry when there are no scientific tests to 'prove' they work (you know, those objective measurements healthcare practitioners use in all other health care realms to make diagnostic decisions). I mean seriously, I know like 8 people on medication from psychiatrists, and all 8 people have been one more than one kind of medication. If I go to the Dr and get tested for an infection, I get antibiotics for that infection and I'm cured, the Dr doesn't just randomly keep trying antibiotics until one works.
Not to mention they are fairly new and basically require you to have them everyday without fail. God forbid you skip a day and you get brain zaps, catatonia, mood swings, sounds to me more like withdrawal really, not to mention when you're on them losing your sex drive and the joys of whisky dick 24/7. However if you absolutely have to 'function' and can't wait the 3 - 6 months to deal with your shit in therapy, sure, why not.
>>37189594
At this point in my life, I have come to those conclusions also. One of the greatest realizations for me is knowing that everyone is going through the same thing I am. The degree of which is highly variable, but I have been able to connect with people more easily after understanding that.
>>37189740
Often times bad insurance makes it difficult to find a good mental health practictioner, at least here in the states.
Also, the vast majority of mental health practitioners are barely competent is the point I was trying to make.
>>37189740
Except the most common class of ADs, ssri's, aren't any more effective than placebo except in the most severely depressed patients, yet they're almost always the first line treatment.
And you wonder why half the kids in this thread think all meds are bullshit.
>>37190118
another thing: when you feel depressed, you seem to think that everyone else is happy, or enjoying life much more than you.
dont assume that. you dont know what they are dealing with: hell, people wouldnt have known I was depressed either.
just do your best and one day you'll feel better.
>>37190210
>And you wonder why half the kids in this thread think all meds are bullshit.
For the same reason why pretty much everyone in a veganism forum will tell you that homeopathy works.
"Antidepressants don't work/make you crazy" is a very popular (and wrong) opinion. But it's nothing but popular culture.
Also, the majority of users here are American, with an healthcare amongst the worst on the planet.
So many of those who took AD probably either didn't need them, or were given the wrong one, and contribute to the "Even people who need AD are better off without them" meme.
There's a reason why this phobia towards psychoactive meds is mostly an American thing.
>>37190255
Well.. SSRI's equal to placebo when we go past the pharmaceutical industry's lobby and publication bias, eg. lies and deceit
https://youtu.be/RKmxL8VYy0M?t=442
>>37189439
>The only antidepressant meds on the market are serotonin blockers, right?
No, you are right, but the most common AD meds and the most common SSRIs, SNRIs, and NDRIs work by inhibiting serotonin uptake, and nearly all of these have side effects including unusual drowsiness.
>And because Triciclical AD doesn't exist, right?
No, you are right, but many of these are ancient since they were the first to be used as Anti-Depressants. They also come with serious side effects like suicide rates above the rates of newer drugs. Some cause irregular heart beat, and many have adverse reactions with one of the more common drugs in the US, Ibuprofen.
>And because dopamine enhancers aren't an entire other class of AD, right?
I admit, I don't know much about dopamine enchancers, and a some quick searches on IPA and PubMed aren't returning much that can be quickly read, so I would have to do more research.
>You read on a blog somewhere that antidepressants are the devil and totally make you crazy, so you peddle online to people whose happiness could literally be inside a pill that they shouldn't chase a cure.
Many AD medications do make you go crazy. Often times, if people aren't weened off of the medication slowly, they exhibit mental breakdowns, and can develop psychosis. Switching medications frequently, as when a doctor attempts to find the medication that is right for you, can have many adverse effects that you can easily find by searching PubMed. In addition, AD medications take up to 6 weeks for the effects to fully show, during which time your body will go through a hell including, vertigo, frequent sweatiness, diarrhea, thoughts of suicide, blurred vision, sleepwalking and a multitude of other issues.
>"lmao I'm totally a doctor tust me, antidepressants don't work"
I never said I was a doctor, and yes, I oversimplified AD medications, but overall for many people they should be a last resort due to all the side effects and dangers associated with them.
>>37190232
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I have been trying to do my best, but it's hard, you know?
>>37190343
yeah I know, it's hard when you feel like shit.
but, ive learned to feel better about myself by building a good body. I can still improve, great thing about lifting is it gives you a constant goal to focus on. and if you like what you see in the mirror, other people will see it too.
>>37190290
If they were placebos people wouldn't snort some of them as a more affordable source of stimulants.
Granted, some meds are overprescripted just to satisfy some producers, but going a step further and saying an entire class of medicine is a sham is tinfoil-tier retarded.
>>37187067
I didn't hahahaha
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>>37188373
>>37188741
>>37189036
This shit sounds like the girl I just got out of a relationship with. Things would be going great, and I even started thinking she was the one, then out of nowhere she'd throw a religious tantrum, break up with me, and cut all contact for a few weeks, before coming back all lovey dovey and shit.
She convinced me to give it another go, and then threw another religious tantrum after 2 weeks together. That was two weeks ago, and she recently unblocked me on Facebook.
I'm not saying antidepressants don't work. They will if you take them as they are supposed to and they usually take a while to kick. Thing is that they usually come with a bunch of side effects and there are definitely some that make you feel like a zombie. Personally for me they all made me feel tired, not as mentally awake and made me feel tired. I personally see them as an unnecessary crutch that you're better off not creating a dependency on.
>>37187067
By seeing the light at the end of the tunnel
>>37188241
>Read a few books mostly on Mindfulness (really helped me)
Can you recommend some titles?
Also, I dated a bi-polar girl too and your advice to others is spot on. She was perfect for me and so it torn me apart when it ended. It was years ago but I still feel it. Not a lot, but I'll never forget.
>>37190460
Just use her for sex
>>37187067
Do you think you have anhedonia? Sounds it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhedonia
>>37190521
Ultra religious. No sex until marriage. I don't know how she convinced me it was a good idea.
>>37190535
Anhedonia is a symptom, not a disorder in itself.
Like, if you have anhedonia you may have depression, but it's not like there's anhedonia meds or anhedonia treatments.
It's usually just a part of having something else.
>>37190521
I will say this: crazy chicks make for the best sex ever. In my experience at least
>>37190547
Yeah I just thought it might help OP with his diagnosis.
>>37190290
Thanks L. Ron.
>>37190540
I mean, my friend got a Witness to have sex with him after "only" a month. She had bfs before him too its just that he knew how to push the right buttons.
If she is as crazy as you say she is, you should be able to pressure her into sex to get her to "make up for repeatedly hurting you by toying with you by breaking up and getting back together again over and over".
>>37190954
I probably could. I'm pretty sure I was pretty close in that second go. But when she left me this time, she pretty much burned every bridge she could with me, and at this point I'm just so disgusted with her, even if she did try talking again, I'd probably just tell her off, and wash my hands of her. I think the only reason I haven't blocked her myself, is that I WANT to tell her off.
I dunno anons. My entire life I've been mildly depressed and never really had any goals or passions. I'm almost 25 and I got so tired of feeling this way that I'm actually doing something. I sort of accepted that I probably won't have many happy moments in foreseeing future.
Just trying to convert sadness into anger and use it as a fuel to do shit. I know I will probably snap back into an episode or two of negative thinking, but I will do my best to be disciplined to keep striving for my goals. The last state I want to go to, is the one when you don't have any challenges and jsut following the current, living for instant gratification pleasures. It actually fears me
>>37190507
Not the guy but some good ones:
Siddhartha
Power of Now
Wherever You Go There You Are
>>37187067
-Psychologists might help you work out some issues.
-Psychiatrists might give you some nice drugs to feel better (and no, they do not all have sex drive effects)
>>37187067
I still have mild depression
but its been in and out over the past two years
the only thing that has ever got it out of my system was anger
not the ouch, I stubbed my toe kinda anger, but the pure; cold, unforgiving anger. made me motivated for both gym and college and now I'm a happy man who just replaced sadness with anger, its a way more motivating emotion
>>37187067
As an anon who has been there and slowly clawed my way out I feel I have to contribute and pass back some of the things /fit/ gave me.
You can be happy, but it isn't going to happen over night and you are going to need to force yourself to do things.
Go do the things that "help". The things that you already know help- cardio, weight lifting, eating better, and meditation.
You might not believe they work but they do, and you know they do. Your body is a fucking machine and your mood is dependent on how that machine functions.
Do the things you might be unsure of. "self talk" for example. Picture Trumps confidence, that comes from YEARS of talking yourself up and reframing how you think of things.
Who do you think does better in life? The guy with the cheerleader inside his head telling him how he's going to be awesome for overcoming shit or the guy with a troll inside his head bashing every idea and pointing out every flaw.
Here is a good "audio course" on self talk. https://soundcloud.com/dangerandplay/sets/gorilla-mindset-audio-course/s-P6wLZ
>>37189548
Stop telling people to not get help when they might need it. Antidepressants "don't work" in that theyre not magic that will all of sudden make you happy again like so many people seem to believe. They give you energy. They blunt negative emotions. The can calm you to prevent psychosis in extreme cases. They give you the possibility to make your life better so you're not stuck in that lethargic depressive rut that keeps you down, but they won't just fix your depression. That's not how it works.
>>37191994
Mediation and discipline are the key. Mediation is going to be spending time not being anxious, talking negatively about yourself or thinking.
The book mindfulness in plain english will help set you on the road to meditation, this should be the pdf version.
http://www.urbandharma.org/pdf2/Mindfulness%20in%20Plain%20English%20Book%20Preview.pdf
Here is a nice short wrap up of how to start thinking of your life.
https://youtu.be/8RNJYTL3Ims
Fucking thing of what you would tell SOMEONE else to do to have a good life. The shit you already know, drink enough water, eat veggies, workout and be nice to people. Then fucking do it. Don't fucking think your situation is different. Put yourself in the third person perspective and make these decisions.
If a person with X came up to you and needed to fix it how would you help them? Would you send them to the internet to read up psych books on depression (google "Feeling Good, David Burns" the book that in clinical trials beat some forms of medication and therapy in terms of curing depression). Would you tell the man in a wheelchair to fucking despair over never walking again or would you go look for coping books and youtube videos for him? How about someone in an abusive relationship? Someone who can't get laid.
Take the third party view and just do the most logical thing, you wouldn't eat the bullshit someone feeds you about ignoring this advice and still whining about it. Hold yourself to the same standard. Firmly and kindly push yourself in the direction of fixing it and moving forward.
>>37191263
Seconding Siddhartha. One of my favorite books.
>>37187067
it cripples me to this day.
I've skipped about 6 months of uni because I couldnt get myself to go there
I skipped gym in that time as well
>>37188685
>depression is about chemical imbalance
you do realise the evidence for 'muh serotonin' is shaky at best right? try reading some scientific literature once in a while ya dummy
>>37187067
You have to hate the way you feel so much you decide to say ''fuck it'
From that moment you will try new things you would never do and explore the world more
If those new things dont bring happiness you will search more
The last level is reaching a mindset in wich you are never satisfied with what you have, you will always want more
Everything you will understand under more will be your goals
Nothing or no one will stop you from getting whatever the fuck you want
Stop overthinking and start thinking about what the fuck you want and how to get it
Other people will try to compete/bring you down but there can't be winners without losers
I played games for most of my free time for the past 6 years because I fucking love winning
That crave for winning is my strength to slay my demons
>>37193681
Strong
>I'm fully self-diagnozed
Just kill yourself.
Report and hide.
>>37187067
Take test boosters, lift weights and fuck whores.
>This won't cure the infinite dead feel inside but at least you'll be doing fun stuff on the outside.
>>37187067
Realize that you are going to die some day. Might as well attempt to make your life epic because it is going to end someday. It's your choice. It will be hard at first but it will get easier as long as you keep pushing for a better life. If you don't, nothings going to change and you are going to look back at your death bed and say damn, that was it with a sad look on your face.....or you can be at your death bed, look back and say damn, that was it with a smile on your face. I KNOW it is hard. TRUST ME. You are talking to the man with multiple mental issues but you can get through it! Here are some structured things you can do so that you don't have to go through a string of mental masturbation.
1. Eat completely healthy! You can always eat healthier. Anyone who says they are eating 100% clean is bullshit. There is always a way to be healthier. Be glad that there is always a way to be healthier!
2. Do cardio for mental clarity and lift weights (obvious). Aim for a bench mark like a 405 squat. Accomplishing things = confidence = makes you unafraid to go after your dreams = accomplish things = confidence and so on...
3. Black out your room with garbage bags and blue tape and wear a eye mask while sleeping. When you turn off the lights make sure there are NO lights going through. Absolutely NONE! You will be suprised by how much light actually goes through your room and it is effecting your sleep. Trust me. You are spending 8 hours a night sleeping, might as well make it the best you can!
4. Read and look up men who had great lives and model their character traits and habits.
5. Clean up after yourself. Make yourself into a very hygenic person. It will gradually instill self respect which helps you with other parts of your life.
I can't guarantee that your depression will be fixed after this but it will definitely help. I hope you get out of this man.
If youre life isnt good it wont go away
But if youre severely depressed people can see it and it makes everything worse
Eventually your life and all your desires and hopes slip away and you just sleep 16 hours and shitpost for another 12
