Reminder that you should build a strength foundation before going for aesthetics.
Starting Strength is the answer.
>>36827714
Here's the thing. You say that, and I'm constantly told by /fit/ that "you need a strength base" or that "it's all about progressive overload brah" but you know what?
Every built guy in the gym does shit like chest flyes and bicep curls. I hardly ever see guys who are actually built doing autistic shit like pendlay rows and deadlifts, it's only the quiet skinny autists who go at midnight who bother with that stuff.
>hurr roids hurrr
SURE, some of them might use gear, but I know for a FACT that not all of them do. I can remember when I was in MIDDLE SCHOOL there were 13 year old KIDS who were swoler than most men, what, you think they were on roids?
Face it, it's fucking genetics that matter. Not routine, not protein intake, not even progressive overload. Yeah, sounds like some tumblr landwhale whining, but it's so fucking obviously true that I just can't deny it anymore. We hit the GYM HARD, while Chad eats pizza.
>>36827890
Well meme'd son. Here's your (you).
>>36827897
Where the FUCK is the "meme" there you delusional retard?
Are gymcels really that stupid that they think genetics just don't matter? Okay, that must be why Jason Blaha has lifted for countless years, injected massive amounts of gear and LOOKS LIKE ABSOLUTE SHIT.
>>36828008
The guy on the right has a shit body though
>>36827890
Yeah and I walk in the gym and outlift every single one of those stupid fuckers.
Their look of embarrassment makes my day, every single fucking time.
>>36827890
>>36828008
You're almost as bad as the roaches guy
>>36828037
>thinking people care about your lifts
>>36828037
>Their look of embarrassment
Lol. Because Chad reeeeally cares about how much weight he lifts. I'm sure he isn't embarrassed as your oneitis sucks his dick.
>>36828031
Fucking lol. Why, because he isn't an overly bloated gymcel? Face it, that guy looks INFINITELY better than anyone on /fit/, because of his GENETICALLY DETERMINED HEIGHT, FACE and FRAME.
>>36828037
I bet, you big guy
>>36828073
THIS. It's ALL about THREE THINGS
HEIGHT
FACE
FRAME
>>36828175
nice samefagging you nigger autist
>>36828073
>>36828073
>having oneitis
This bait is all wrong man. Try posting it on r9k instead
>>36827890
> it's fucking genetics that matter. Not routine, not protein intake, not even progressive overload
guys diet doesn't matter, training doesn't matter. it's muh janetics *sips 3-pump double-whip starbeetus deluxe*
stay fat or just jump on roids. whatever. nobody cares you stupid dyel faggot.
>>36828073
>>36828175
next time you samefag don't use the same annoying-as-fuck capitalizing and sentence structure you newfaggot idiot.
>>36828360
gj replying with a picture to prove your innovence on an anonymous chinese cartoon porn site. lmao.
>what is mspaint
>what is a cell phone
get out
>>36828369
> mspaint
> not Inspect Element
hi grandpa.
for how long did zach cut? he was pretty fat when he finished ss
>>36828073
so are these all the same guy or is there a whole group of memers now?
>>36829133
the height, face, frame meme is the same guy
>>36827890
I can figure out who you are by the time I read the first random CAPITALISATION
>>36828037
yeah, you can deadlift 7pl8 and he can deadlift a different girl everyday on his bed, while you cry while reading sad pepes stories on a online "fit related" image board
>>36829349
Like I give a fuck about roasties. All I care about is being strong, and I've never met a "Chad" who was stronger than me
>>36827714
Is thete a better pic of this Zach guy to compare? He is looking pretty good on the right
>>36831722
Not the same person
>>36828008
Blaha would look fine if he wasn't fat and bald as fuck.
>>36827890
those guys are trying to be pretty, with their pumps and their squeezes and their flexing. they are actually pretty fucking girly. physiques built that way look almost random, too - its like their body is a collection of random muscle, not a functioning and aesthetic unit.
now, find me a guy who built his body using heavy compounds who looks like this (who has low bodyfat). chances are he'll look pretty fucking good.
if you want to look good in a tshirt and have people comment on your meaty arms while you suffer chronic back pain from all your imbalances, go ahead, but i don't really consider that to be a worthy goal in any sense. much better to be as strong as you look and to look powerful and sculpted, not to look like a poor man's jeff seid.
>>36828008
Do you losers who keep posting this even know if this pic is real.
>>36828008
>bad posture vs good posture
>people use it as argument for genetics
>>36831774
nice meme
stop trolling
>>36827714
Damn, he looks aesthetic as fuck. Can't believe people still think SS is a troll
>do SL + Accessories
>get strength and aesthetics
Wow, that was hard.
>>36831855
>>36831905
Guy on the right was on that MTV show you tards.
The one where everyone gets drunk and fights and fucks. Idk.
>>36832505
SL is pure shit. Do SS like a man
>>36827890
This. Alpha genetics, beta results
>>36832683
>was on that MTV show
How am I supposed to know that, I don't watch degenerate shit like that?
>>36832779
>Do less volume like a man
pussy
>>36827890
You might be on to something. Don't take this as discouragement, I've been working out for 3 months on a surplus and my results are pretty visible. By 3 months I think you'll know if you have aesthetic genetics or not.
>>36827890
>it's only the quiet skinny autists who go at midnight who bother with that stuff.
tfw I was just about to go to the gym
>>36833834
Also, I have no athletic or physical base. Sedentary lifestyle for the last 4 years.
I started benching 1pl8 for 4 reps. I can now bench 2pl8 for 8 reps. I have no idea if these are noob gains or not. Same with my ohp. started at 80lbs and I'm now at 1pl8 for 8 reps.
>>36833834
A friend started lifted at the same time, his lifts have gone up almost as quick as mine but he doesn't have similar aesthetics. His body packs on muscle just the same but it doesn't look as great.
>>36833529
SL becomes 3x5 after a few weeks... 5x5 is just during the rank novice phase.
>>36833834
>>36833867
>>36833908
Are you a retarded person?
>>36828008
Shut the fuck up.
>>36831790
fedora.jpg
>>36833934
Sharing my experience, senpai. I think genetics have a big role to play, like >>36827890 pointed out. You can identify genetic factors once you have 3-4 months of serious lifting.
>>36827714
is that even the same person? look at the face
>>36833952
lolllll
>>36833867
>3 months lifting
>went from 1pl8 to 2pl8 double reps
I've seen some shit but the estatting is too skrong with this one
>>36834003
But you share them like you're a retarded person
>>36827890
>>36828008
>lifting has no effect on appearance whatsoever
are you actually retarded?
>>36829100
He didn't. It's not him on the OP pic
>>36834031
Its not.
Zac's still around lifting as far as I know, but he's competing in the moderately fat fuck classes rather than leaning down. His preference, I guess.
>>36834031
no of course not. zach is still fat to this day.
>>36827890
>>36828008
My god, I love you
Keep blowing /fit/ the fuck out for me. Thanks
>>36829100
Zach gave up. This thread is a bait, ignore it.
didn't bother scrolling through thread. Hi HFF/ Chad eats Pizza guy. Know you'll be here xo
>>36828031
the guy on the right will get fucked regularly, the left wont
CHAD
EATS
PIZZA
while you people hit the gym hard
>>36834192
Chad also looks like a fat cunt in his late 20's early 30's
>Not getting big and strong at the same time.
Heavy compounds and high volume accessory work is 10/10
>>36827714
>implying you NEED a strength base to lift
No. People have different goals. Some people don't want to lift heavy weight and would rather get big, both come with the other but you will always be more oriented towards one or another.
SS and """""strength foundation""""" are complementary memes
>>36828008
Damn, somebody's projecting.
>2016
>LIFTING
>FOR
>GIRLS
>>36827890
I AGREE WITH THIS GUY
>HEIGHT
>PERSISTENT
>SHITPOSTING
>2k16
>still replying to the HFF guy
>>36832683
>MTV
lol fag
>>36833952
those are some child bearing hips.
>>36828073
oh no, its the height face frame guy again.
>>36829100
That's not Zach. That's some guy from some reality show.
While back someone found his recent facebook photos and he's gotten a bit fatter and apparently doesn't even lift anymore.
Really wondering why the people who shill SS so hard use pictures of other men for the poster boys for the program. Fucking weird.
>face is universally the most important part of the body and makes or breaks your entire appearance
>every single female, ever, starts with "tall" when describing a perfect man
>since forever men wear clothes that create a V-taper by making hips look narrow and shoulders wide, suits being the perfect and an obvious example
>implying height/face/frame is a troll
Strength = aesthetics
>>36834796
>Hitlerwithakitten.jpg
>Hitler was good
>>36834796
>>36834817
>>36834835
>>36834817
I love that this picture keeps getting reposted
this was supposedly FOUR MONTHS into SS on a 5'10 guy.
there is quite literally a 1% chance of that being true and not complete e-statting.
(the 1% is if he roided, but that doesn't really look like a roid body)
>>36828008
The guy on the right has both wide hips and shoulders, while the guy on the left has narrow shoulders and an average hip.
The guy on the right is objectively more aesthetic though.
>>36834851
>>36834855
Doesn't show the becofore pic so it really means jack shit
>>36834855
>>36834908
No, that pic was 1 year after SS and TM.
>>36834915
kill yourself
https://desustorage.org/fit/thread/26289165/#26298838
>>36834904
here's the secret, you ready?
just move heavy shit
you could look good doing solely bodyweight fitness if your goal isn't to be a powerlifter or bodybuilder.
>>36827890
Just so you know....
In a real progression program, and not the meme usage of /fit/, hypertrophy comes before strength. So how could your base come from strength when strengths base is based off hypertrophy. And anyone who wishes to debate this against me I'm here and willing, I just ask that you have a degree of some sort so we dont waste my time.
>>36834929
Nabroleon !!aBMdFDpiKqg
He actually says 5-6 months multiple times.
But whatever, it's totally achievable, specially if you were not a couch potato or skeleton lord before and actually eat well and do cardio.
>>36834982
>implying training for strength doesn't result in just as much muscle hypertrophy as meme bodybuilding routines
>>36835064
>implying training for strength without first going through an endurance/hypertrophy wouldnt have any adverse effects
I asked for someone with a degree, you have already shown a lack of knowledge in the length tension relationship which is literally basic muscle physiology, so please dont waste my time again.
>>36835087
M E M E
E
M
E
Next you're gonna meme about rep ranges.
>>36827890
Congrats on trolling half of /fit/. 9/10.
>>36835051
https://desustorage.org/fit/search/image/XhFz7P1ki2uuzezLfNnchw%3D%3D/
you can go through him changing the timeframe over a period of a year and a half, never updating the picture
you got memed hard
Get your deadlift up to 500lbs. Then worry about whether you can see your abs
>>36835125
>https://vimeo.com/120809172
THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT MEMEME
>>36835225
As if that makes any difference if he achieve that in 4 or 6 or 12 months.
>>36832683
>watches MTV
>calls others tards
get it together
>>36835248
it is a pretty big difference because that is literally not achievable in 4 months, so again, you have been memed hard.
>>36835327
Not achievable if you're a fat fuck.
Otherwise it's definitely achievable.
Also, keep in mind there's angle, pump, flexing, and lighting involved in the photo.
>>36828073
he looks like he can give birth with those hips
>>36833952
Ah, there it is
>>36833952
>>36828008
>>36834283
>>36834031
Yes, some poeple say it's not, but that's because they're faggy brosplitters with shit gains cause they didn't achieve a strength base first. So now tey're trolling to prevent others from getting a strength base.
>>36834130
>>36834144
>>36834170
An yet you can't present any evidence of this.
>>36834257
Tell me why every bodybuilder started out with strength training then
>>36834269
yeah, tell that to Zach. Do you even see how good he looks now?
Starting Strength is a meme. It's always been a meme.
You need to build strength but theres no point in not throwing in isolation exercises for everything as well. The program people tell noobs here to follow is autistic as hell
>>36827890
I did some barbell curls next to two dyels today for that exact purpose after finishing my bent over rows. I hope they include them in their workouts from now on.
>>36840296
because that's not true, it pretty much only is for the old era bodybuilders, like in the 70s
>>36840392
that's because they only started juicing AFTER they started lifting for bodybuilding. While BBs now hop on the juice the first day in the gym.
As a natty, you need a strength base
>>36840282
Stop being so new.
>>36840411
Been here since 2009, never seen the newer pics of Zach you talk of. Maybe because they don't exist?
I would kill myself if I did SS. It sounds terrible.
>No shoulders and arms day (objectively the funnest day)
>>36827890
>not even progressive overload
I'm sorry but progressive overload is a fundamental principle that cannot be violated or there will be no gains, neither in strength nor size or anything else for that matter. That said, there are many ways of achieving progressive overload and a lot of times it sort of happens automatically without people worrying about it at all. But it must happen or you'll just be spinning your wheels.
The "strength base" thing is bullshit though. Sure if you're stronger it's easier to build more mass but the opposite is equally true - if you're bigger it's easier to build more strength. It goes both ways.
>>36827714
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY BULLSHIT
First, you should work on technique (hight sets, low reps, light weights), then you need strength endurance (2-3x12-15), then you need mass gains (3-4x8-12) and only then strength training. This is common approach of hundreds really good coaches.
Also, I remind you that Ripp is a mediocre powerlifter and a bad coach whose "specialization" is beginners training, lol.
>>36840632
>First, you should work on technique (hight sets, low reps, light weights), then you need strength endurance (2-3x12-15), then you need mass gains (3-4x8-12) and only then strength training
>you need
That depends entirely on what you're training for. The approach you describe is common and it is effective, but whether it's necessary or optimal depends on what you're trying to achieve. And even then it's still just one way of doing things.
>>36834188
he has a hot face yes, but his body is still shit.
>>36840965
In what world is his body "shit"? Those broad shoulders are worth INFINITELY more than anything that could be gained in a gym.
>>36828008
>>36833952
That guy is a really bad example bc of child birthing hips.
This guy, however. Perfect v-taper genetics
>>36840632
Mark Rippetoe has created, what is universally agreed upon to be, the best beginner routine.
But you don't even lift, so ofc you don't know
>>36841105
>universally agreed upon
>the best
Shit nigga, what are you saying?
>all these excuses
Stay small faggots
>>36841301
Try and disagree with him, I'd love to see it.
Frequent full body routines are the best way to Gainsville for new lifters, period.
The fact that you think that is such a strange statement shows how much of a faggot you really are.
>>36840632
Literally who does this? Strength is gained primarily through adaptions in the nervous system, so there is no point in worrying about hypertrophy first if strength is your goal. Even if your goal is hypertrophy though, fast twitch muscle fibers are what have the most growth potential and those are best stimulated with heavy weight. The only ones who benefit from high reps first are roided up bodybuilders who might injure themselves if they rush into heavy weight.
>>36841301
That SS is the best beginner program, and everyone that lifts agreed on that. It's because SS has perfect linear progression and is perfectly balanced. Every day the main lifts consists of a squat/push/pull movement
SS has a lot of pulling and overhead pressing, which should help prevent the classic shoulder problems some people get from only benching every time they go to the gym.
And the SS squatting style balances work between quads, hams, glutes, and adductors which helps prevent the knee problems people sometimes get from more quad-dominant squatting styles.
>>36841310
Damn, I remember when that dude in the photo looked swole to me.
>>36835246
>>36841319
I didn't disagree about frequent full body workouts with linear progression being the best for novices. But I do disagree about SS being the best routine out there.
Almost everybody needs to hit their upper body about twice as much as their lower, to see the same rate of progress. And SS doesn't take that into account.
>inb4 read the book
Yeah I've read the book, and adding chinups every 6th workout won't change the fact that you squat twice as much as you The Press/bench, and don't even get me started on this "1 set of deadlift every 4th workout".
>>36841337
Not sure if trappy-chan with trip off, or simply troll.
>perfect linear progression and is perfectly balanced
Not perfectly balanced, cf first part of this post.
Also not perfect linear progression. Even rip himself doesn't prescribe SS to the letter. After a few weeks, every other squatting session is a light, recovering one. Proving that even the gyno dino himself knows you can't add 5lb to your squat 3 times a week, after a few weeks/months.
Yes, even with GOMAD.
I'm not saying SS is bad. I'm saying that there is absolutely no consensus on it being the best beginner routine. SS does some things right and some things wrong.
It doesn't incorporate periodization. It has a low specificity for a powerlifting program (squat to DL ratio is 6:1 when it should be 2:1, squat to bench ratio if 2:1 when it should be 1:2). It doesn't give you any tools to deal with individual differences etc (stalling? keep stalling for 2 more workouts then deload by a shit-metric-ton). Etc.
Greyskull LP, for instance, is far superior.
>>36841337
>everyone that lifts agreed on that
in your imagination
>>36841528
>didn't disagree about frequent full body workouts with linear progression being the best for novices.
This was my only point.
I can't agree or disagree that other similar routines are better or worse but it's easy for us to discuss because we've already been through it. Hindsight and all that.
Noobs just need to go in the gym consistently, eat half way decent and do a similar routine to SS for gains.
Constantly looking for the "best" (subjective btw) like looking for gear in video games takes away from actually doing your best in the gym, IMO. Constantly wanting change your routine and diet for the new best this and that is circlejerking. Just go in and try your best the rest is fluff
>>36841337
>SS has a lot of pulling
>deadlifts and power cleans
>pulling
>pull ups 3 times for two weeks
>lots of pulling
>>36841337
>That SS is the best beginner program, and everyone that lifts agreed on that
I disagree. Best beginner routines are Kilgore's FIT, Lyle McDonald's Beginner Routine and Cosgrove's NROL
>>36832683
> The one where everyone gets drunk and fights and fucks. Idk.
That's literally every show on mtv.
>>36841667
>deadlifts and power cleans
>not pulling
>>36834855
can you shut the fuck up
>>36841719
Do you clean and snatch? If not GTFO and don't use this terminology. Deadlifts are not pulling in sense of opposite to upper body pressing movements
>>36841791
>Deadlifts are not pulling in sense of opposite to upper body pressing movements
Wanna know how I know you only deadlift 1pl8?
>>36841791
>Do you clean and snatch?
Crossfitfags get out
>>36841791
>Deadlifts are not pulling in sense of opposite to upper body pressing movements
it's time to stop posting
C H A S E
H
A
S
E
>>36841873
Rip sure love those young, plump boys
>>36841821
>>36841826
>>36841865
We talked about lack of upper body lifts, idiots.
>SS has lack of arm work
>NO IT HAS TONS OF PULLING - DEADLIFTS AND POWER CLEANS!!!!! EVERYBODY KNOW THAT PULLING IS ARM WORK!!!1111
>>36841970
no one is talking about upper body lifts in that quote chain. only squat/push/pull
you started going full autismo and strawmanning
>>36833952
I guarantee you he still gets laid but still lmfao i have better genetics than this cunt and they arent even good
He has me beat in the face department tho
>>36841970
Bench and The Press works triceps (and triceps make up the majority of upper arm mass)
Deadlift and power cleans works forearms
If you're worried about biceps, just throw in a few sets of chin-ups and/or curls at the end of the workout.
And deadlift is both an upper and lower body exercise. It works the entire posterior chain, from the neck to the calves
>>36841993
what a retard, lmao
>>36841337
>SS has a lot of pulling and overhead pressing, which should help prevent the classic shoulder problems
Now tell me how deadlifts should prevent shoulder problems.
SS has lack of upper body pulling and it is big cons.
>>36834935
>girl in first pic
>alone in the second
oh, /fit/
>>36842030
Deadlift works the entire back, including all the antagonist muscles of those used in the bench press. Therefore, it balanced out the bench press and prevents shoulder problems caused by too much benching
>inb4 the back is not part of the upper body
SS and lifting for strength shill here. Pic related was from doing SS and then TM.
Just don't suck
>>36842210
Same here. Always lifted for strength. Just heavy ass compounds, plus some ab work and curls once a week. One of the biggest guys in the gym, while those faggots doing 2 hour arm workouts stay exactly the same size for years.
>>36842210
why did your gf leave you?
>>36842311
>implying he didn't eat her for gains
>>36842298
People on /fit/ don't get that there's more to looking good than an hour of lifting 3 times a week and sitting on your computer the rest of your time.
>>36842311
I broke up with her after a year of trying the long distance thing once I had to move for work. We still talk and smash every once in a while when our paths cross. Top lass
>>36842349
>People on /fit/ don't get that there's more to looking good than an hour of lifting 3 times a week and sitting on your computer the rest of your time.
so you didn't do SS then
>>36842445
I think he means diet (and genetics)
I am referring to things like diet, living a semi active lifestyle and not just being a NEET, proper utilization of accessories work, cardio (yeah, I said it), etc.
>>36842465
This guy gets it.
>>36831539
Whatever helps you sleep at night, fatass
>>36842593
do you have any idead how easy I could fuck you up with my strength, faggot?
gtfo twink dyel
>>36833952
makes you realize how much camera angles and lighting make you look way better.
>>36842671
*idea
>>36828040
But they are in my shakes
>>36827714
But Greyskull LP gives you a more proportional physique
Progress is kinda slower but it's worth it not becoming some Prehistoric Chicken
Why does FACE, HEIGHT, FRAME guy type like Chris Chan?
>>36827890
>Face it, it's fucking genetics that matter. Not routine, not protein intake, not even progressive overload.
Well, there is nothing wrong with doing a beginner full body routine then. You are contradicting your self you fucktard
Literally face is the only thing that matters. If you have at least a 9/10 face you're set.
People trolling or are you guys just talking?
If you go to any of Rippetoe's seminars, you will see that most of the people there are not beginners.
>>36841995
Oh but I'm sure he's getting laid, the point I was trying to make is that he isn't some sort of superior 1 percentile male. It's all all angles/lighting/shoop.
>>36844415
>If you go to any of Rippetoe's seminars, you will see that most of the people there are not beginners.
Then why do they go to a STARTING strength seminar?
