Will boxing teach me how to fuck people up?
I've been informed that a world champion MMA fighter would get BTFO by even an average boxer.
Just be like Kimbo Slice did and make shitty Youtube vids of underground fight rings.
>>37868814
In da streets yes generally this is true.
Despite what BJJ nut huggers would like you to believe, the majority of all self defense altercations do not goto the ground. A boxer has superior stand up and footwork which is enough to end something in a few seconds.
just wait until that brown belt in BJJ comes ITT. he boxes too
>>37868846
>>37868814
>it's a boxer shill thread
The only thing that bothers me is naive young /fit/ users getting into the combat arts will believe your bullshit and get hurt.
>>37868894
It's not bullshit. I'm 32, I've been in a few scuffles, I've trained in grappling and striking and traditional arts and I've bounced.
Ground fighting is stupid IRL. Kicking is stupid IRL. Throwing fists and standing locks are the only things worth a shit.
>>37868814
Different sports, different rules.
Boxing typically has a higher skill ceiling. It's why you see careers with 40-0 records in boxing and why MMA champions are typically not champion for long.
>>37868912
Thanks, you've completely changed my mind.
>>37868814
>boxing wont work if fight goes to the ground
>grappling wont work if you cant take down your opponent
So why the fuck not learn both? Aka just do MMA instead of circlejerking over 1 style.
>>37868919
Your stupidity and arrogance makes me vomit.
Real fighting is far more complex and dynamic than boxing. That's why guys lose, you can't train for everything all the time.
boxing is a sport
MMA is combat.
There are endless examples of boxers trying their hand in mma and getting fucked up
I'm sure you all have fought a million times and are super cool guys but I doubt anything you say if you say shit like
>mma is a sport
>it's not real fighting
>street fighting is DANGEROUS
Street fighters are pussy bitches compared to a trained fighter.
>>37868929
Ground fighting is a lot less important than you think it is, outside of a ring.
>>37868934
If you think that then you've never been in a real fight.
just sayin.
>>37868931
Holy 12 year old.
You honestly believe MMA isn't a sport? Fucking kek.
>boxers get fucked up in MMA
Guess what would happen if an MMAer fought in a boxing ring? It would be embarrassing.
>>37868931
>street fighters are pussies
Im sure not wearing gloves makes u a pussy and the possibility of getting knocked out simply by your head hitting the cement. MMA is a bunch of fag boys in a ring humping each other. Having certain rules in a fight doesnt make it a fight.
>>37868937
I've been in quite a few and have never once been on the ground other than one time when 5 people were stomping me.
BJJ def would have helped me then, eh?
>>37868945
man shut the FUCK up
mma has so few rules it might as well be combat, especially the PRIDE circuit before it closed.
boxing is a sport. you can only use your fists. MMA allows you to do whatever you can to win. Boxing is boxing, MMA is fighting.
daily reminder that pic related would fuck up 99% of /fit/
skill beats muscle every time
>>37868934
A lot of people will clinch up or tackle you naturally. Thats assuming they arent even trained to do so.
If you boxers really have your head up your ass so far that you refuse to learn anything but muh sweet science then if you ever get taken you deserve to get the shit beaten out of you.
Karate trumps all. If ANYONE grabs my wrist and allows me to do my moves I will come out victorious in a fight.
anyone have the webm with the trained boxer trying to fight a dude in a public bathroom who grabs him and slams him onto the floor and knocks him out within seconds?
>>37868965
Ok I'm being trolled. You got me.
>>37868973
I know boxing, MT and Judo. Boxing is 100x more practical. Nobody tackles you IRL. They push you and get in your face or they sucker punch you.
Knowing Judo is helpful too, actually. Ground fighting is pointless.
>>37868984
here ya go
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c8b_1436128099
I think the intense endurance training from boxing, plus being able to throw a punch, gives you plenty of an edge for self defense.
Last fight I got in I was soooo fucking physically drained after a few minutes. I'm thinking of joining a boxing gym now or starting a martial art. Not sure.
>>37868991
If you only have time to focus on one combat sport just learn MT (striking, standup grappling). Just learn some basic take down defense and ground game and you'll beat 99% of untrained people
>>37868984
Thats why you shouldn't fight people when youre a manlet.
And for what it's worth, the little dude got a perfect overhand right in and broke big dudes nose. If he wasn't such a skinny bitch that would have actually been a fight ender.
>>37868991
Bro you are so fucking retarded.
Please do not give novice martial artists your shit advice.
>>37868991
Pretty much anyone that played football or watched ufc will go for a shitty tackle even if theyre untrained and if they have a significant size advantage you're pretty fucked.
This is assuming youre not fighting someone with grapoling knowledge in which case good luck because all your training is worthless now.
>>37869002
>tiny manlet vs big guy
BJJ / judo / wrestling for 1v1s
Boxing for group fights then GTFO
pipe bomb trumps all
>>37869005
That is probably true.
I prefer boxing because the footwork and evasion is 2nd to none, however. MT is def fun tho
boxing killed all my gains
"you gonna know how to fuck people up" they said
dont do it
>>37868991
>Judo
yeah dude... knowing an olympic sport is helpful....
dumb fuck.
>>37869013
>>37869011
>people who have never been in a fight or self defense situation
I'm actually speaking from experience whereas you're basement dwellers. So suck my balls I know the truth because I've lived it. You're just pretending.
>>37869007
Man shut the FUCK up
Watch an old man with little training in grappling fight a young man with adequate training in boxer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvUq09RBIEc
>>37869031
Yeah bro im a bouncer and been on 28 street fights clinches or tackles never happen trust me bro i have experience
>>37869022
>implying you'd ever take down any wrestling/grapping+throwing sport champion down in a real fight
>implying he wouldn't grab you and slam your head into the pavement at a thousand miles per hour and scatter your brains all over the pavement
there's a dude i know who has a black belt in bjj, the gym he goes to seems like a bit of a mcdojo (they have a motto not to respect tradition because they think its pointless). The guy is only 20 so I'm skeptical of how legit his BJJ blackbelt is. Thought?
>>37869049
Why don't you spar with him and find out?
>>37869021
seems lik you didn't eat enough
>>37868846
wrestling, boxing, bjj, muay thai defeats all
>>37869032
>he thinks this somehow represents real life
Again. You're all pretenders that don't know shit.
I'm typing this sitting at the door of a club I do security at. You're posting propaganda BJJ videos from YouTube. Fucking losers lol
Try that shit IRL and let me know how your face feels after dudes friends start smashing beer bottles on it.
>>37869019
I think anyone with experience in any legit combat sport would fuck up pretty much anyone that's untrained. All you have to do is clinch someone and they flail around in a panic. A few knees to the head and its over
>>37869064
the bad thing about wrestling take downs is that you get guillotined a lot
>>37869049
It's usually really difficult to get promoted in BJJ.
You have to compete to get blue and above; if you can't place in the top 3 of your belt class don't bother. And even if you place 1st, your gym might just keep you as a blue so you can rekt scrubs in competitions be a free advertisement for your dojo.
>>37869064
lol you just took that from pic related >>37868971
>>37868991
>Ground fighting is stupid IRL. Kicking is stupid IRL. Throwing fists and standing locks are the only things worth a shit.
sounds like you'd prefer boxing plus clinchwork, which you'd get from wrestling, judo and aspects of MT and
>>37869057
I have barely any ground game training, he'd fuck my shit up on the ground I don't doubt. I just am questioning if he's a legit BJJ blackbelt
>>37869066
your whole post reeks of bullshit and troll
I post videos from youtube because you can see it with your own eyes and it's not me telling you some bullshit story about my personal experience.
>>37869084
Has he won a shitton of competitions?
If no, he's not legit
>>37869049
BJJ brownbelt anon is 21 so it's not that weird
>>37869070
I wouldnt say so.
Yes the most common double leg does do that but if you just go with maybe a knee pick, bear hug or a mat return you will be fine.
How has literally no one in this thread mentioned Krav Maga, where the sole purpose is to just fuck up your opponent?
>>37869134
cuz krav maga is meme for yuppies
>>37869134
Yeah doing drills with the local soccer mom in your kike dojo will get you really good at fucking people up
>>37869134
i see this meme being spouted a lot, people being elitist about krav maga. most people that take it and who are taught how to disarm knives will just get fucked up and have a false sense of confidence
>>37868971
>oh hey fighting thread c:
>some anon posts my pictures again
>mfw
>>37868846
You don't know little if anything about BJJ or martial arts. Control is absolutely paramount.
>>37868905
>Ground fighting is stupid IRL. Kicking is stupid IRL. Throwing fists and standing locks are the only things worth a shit.
You also don't know what you're talking about. Even by your own word, you have little experience.
>>37869134
Krav Maga is for the IDF.
------------
Knowing one style is very foolish. I have eight years of experience in BJJ, and five in wrestling, boxing, and muay thai, all for specific reasons. Like a few stalkers have said already, I am a brown belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. I dislike these threads sometimes because few people know what they're talking about and want to act like keyboard warriors for some ego boost in their day.
Hey guys all shit posting aside, as I was talking to you fucks a deaf dude just got punched across the street and his hearing aid got knocked out. Hit his head on the sidewalk, not moving.
I don't care what you fags learn but seriously learn to at least dodge a punch or be aware of your surroundings.
>>37869184
what was he doing
>>37869205
Well I was talking to you instead of doing my job but what I gathered was a black dude tried talking to him at the bar and he ignored him (no shit, he's deaf), black dude punched him, it moved outside, black dudes brother sucker punched him and he fell.
They're still outside, deaf dude still down.
So I guess you were right. Sometimes fights do end up on the ground kek
>>37869184
That's why I'm voting trump. Even the deaf can hear victory
>>37869173
>Control is absolutely paramount.
Finally someone who knows what they are talking about. Control is everything in the martial arts.
You never launch an attack unless you are 100% sure you won't experience a counter attack.
Always secure superior position before landing strikes.
Everything else is taking an unnecessary risk.
Striking should be done to further your acquisition of the superior position.
>>37869184
>>37869218
Drunks do not qualify as dangerous combatants.
In your world maybe, but not in the mma community.
Anyone else hate fighting threads? Can we make a different board for these sperglords so they can convince eachother how good they are at fighting
>>37868814
This isn't world star hip hop where two people yell at each other until one guy sees an opening to sucker punch a nigga KO.
Boxing is good, boxing is not better. Any fighter would tell you it's all entirely situational.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wNrB_V3PFc
Boxing also (I'm not dissing the skill curve, chill) is a lot about luck. One little tap, that's it, you win.
Or you could get a guy who knocks you straight to the ground and starts smashing your skull into the concrete, because he doesn't want to play your game.
Real life is not ring.
>>37869245
Wtf are you talking about
You know MMA isn't real life right? It's a controlled sport.
>>37868814
Clinch is love
Clinch is life
>>37869271
>You know MMA isn't real life right? It's a controlled sport.
People who say this shit are shit at fighting. My old gyms leader hated the fuck out of pompous ass street fighters and would fuck them up in fights.
I came in claiming to be a street fighter and he fractured my shin.
Gangsters who thought they were hard would come in and he would knock them out.
>>37869032
The boxer was wearing glows and still the fat guy lost at 0:45. I don't see the point of your video.
>>37869301
I never said street fighters weren't shit at fighting. I asked if you realized MMA isn't real life. It's a controlled sport with rules just like boxing and fencing and football and gymnastics.
>>37869318
MAN FUCK YOU
Just because he stumbled doesn't mean he lost
OH BOO HOO i feel so EMBRASSED I must have LOST
We go till we snap your arm or knock you out dumbass
>>37868931
>sperging out on the internet
Your autism is showing.
>>37869329
yeah in real life everybody sucks at fighting.
you have to get unreal before people know what they are doing
always cracks me up to see people talking about fighting on /fit/
>>37869377
/fit/ is the only place on the internet I've heard striking recommended over grappling except on tumblr and reddit
>>37869259
They do its called alternative sports
>>37869389
it's been completely taken over by inbred wwe wrestling fans though
It's shocking and amazing, being confronted with a real and true form of mass retardation and poor breeding.
>>37869333
I'd like to see that fat guy avoid getting the shit kicked out of him after falling on his ass like that if his opponent doesn't give him time to get back up.
>>37868814
Boxer here. It's called MMA, as in MIXED MARTIAL ARTS, so if oxing was the most effective, they'd all use that and scrap everything else, but they don't, so put two and two together here bud
>>37869387
shut the fuck up you gimp. If someone has some takedown defence or the fight isn't 1v1, you're going to get fucking murdered if you can't strike.
>>37869454
>shut the fuck up you gimp.
>gimp
That's a very creative comeback, where'd you get that one from, your moms bedroom?
>>37869387
Boxing pros
>fast
>quick fight ender if landed
>able to stay mobile
>able to identify possible threats
>can quickly engage and disengage
>can throw repeatedly
Cons
>might hurt hand
Grappling pros
>able to control opponent
????????
Cons
>get face stomped by opponents friends
>get stabbed while engaged
>can't easily disengage
>can't maneuver if more than one opponent
>can't identify multiple opponents
Cool strategy bro lemme know how it works out for you.
>>37869507
Boxing cons
>might hurt hand
>literally useless if a clinch or a takedown is intiated
>years of training down the pooper
>can be sealt with using low kicks
Grappling pros
>able to control opponent
>can easily take out braindead boxers who cant do anything on the ground
>>37868814
Judo op. You're mostly focused on throw others to the ground instead of joining them their shoving your nuts intot their mouth
>>37869778
Judo is idiotic to learn without competing, solely. Holy shit none of you know what you're talking about other than BJJ brownbelt anon for fucks sake
>>37868931
and yet preparing for something that is dangerous make you a hestitant coward! others are born to fight and will continue to do so then people will convince them to fight for money and low pay!
>>37869218
Sounds like deaf dude might become dead dude
>>37868814
Boxing isn't as applicable in real life, you don't walk around wearing gloves, you're much more likely to break your hands throwing punches, and you can't usually drop someone with a single jab. By that point if they know what they're doing you'll be on your back.
Obviously being proficient in multiple martial arts is better though.
ITT a bunch of insecure mongs that wanna extended their e-peens by defending something they've seen on YouTube and thought was cool
Best self defence skill you can train is knife fighting or if legal a gun. Have fun grappling me with a knife in your kidney
>>37870461
that's great if you get attacked by some nigger in the streets. however what if you're at a house party and someone you know gets too drunk and starts picking a fight? knowing grappling by then is way better than murdering them.
>>37870581
why would you fight someone at a party? unless you're a beta or a manlet that needs to prove themselves
>>37870627
while i think the vast majority of fights are avoidable, there is still a theoretical possibility of being randomly attacked.
what i'm trying to get at is that there are scenarios in which you'd want to hold another person down without harming them.
>>37869476
Oooh nice mate, insult my insult instead of coming up with a rebuttal.
>>37870672
do you even leave your home? are you an adult? where the fuck do you live that there is always a possibility you would fight someone?
Eliminate the threat as fast as possible. That's the only rule you need to know about street fights.
Poke his eyes out, slap his ears really hard, sleeper hold until he starts twitching, etc.
Or just get a hold of an arm or something and try to break it with all your body weight.
Don't waste energy on flailing around.
>>37870702
i'm not saying the risk is big or anything i'm just saying that IF there is a fight there is also a possibility that you don't want to hurt the one you're fighting. if you disagree on that then fine. you haven't convinced me on that though.
>>37870744
This guy get its.
Defang the snake, right babe?
>>37870765
>Defang the snake
Only that it's not about a snake you can just go around, It's about earth's most capable killer coming to get a piece of you.
It's also about saving your life and probably a few others by taking out the threat completely.
Also, a defanged snake will still attempt to bite you. It's about beating such behaviour out of the snake.
>>37868971
That's actually a nice (except for these fuckimg chest insertions, ugh), easy to achieve, easy to maintain and functional body.
>>37869758
>can easily take out braindead boxers who cant do anything on the ground
>implying he would ever get in range
>>37868991
>Nobody tackles you IRL.
Tackling someone to the ground is often the first move in a street fight, at least where I'm from.
>>37869161
You sound well informed....
>>37868814
>Reading this thread.
Have any of you even seen/been in a pub/street fight?
It is ALWAYS a stand-up punch on. There are no kicks, there are very rarely tackles. The aggressor will walk up and either have words first, or just start swinging for the head.
Your best bet is to learn quick hard hits, defence, evasion (head movement, footwork) and counter punching. All of which are best covered by boxing.
Your average fight lasts about 10 seconds. What you want, is to really stick it to them before they get a hand to you. 2 or even 1 hard as fuck, accurate hits to the head can be all it takes to floor even the gigaist nigga.
>Motherfuckers acting like a street fight is a 3 min battle with a ref.
>>37868846
Boxers learn to fight boxers. Which means the average boxer is lacking in defence against kicks and takedowns.
>>37868814
Why? Better learn not to get into fights.
>>37868814
You can focus on boxing all you want but if you don't know how to defensively wrestle/grapple you will be fucked if you even just trip. Let alone someone tackles you/you get knocked down.
>>37871108
Bro, the "average" street fight does not involve trained participants. If some "street fighter" came up to me and started swinging at me I could judo toss his ass across the bar
>>37868945
That's like saying haha Tiger woods would do shit in basketball so basketball > golf
>>37869301
>my old gyms leader
>old gyms leader
>GYM
>LEADER
did he hand out sweet badges if you won?
>>37869070
Even on a head outside double, you will not get guillotined if your head is in the proper position.
>>37870865
I've sparred boxers, getting in range isn't hard. Sure, there's a decent chance you'll eat a few punches trying to get there, but - speaking as a grappler with little striking experience - it's far from impossible. And it's usually smooth sailing once you're there.
>Learning self-defense so you can "fuck people up"
What's it like being a man-child?
Why wouldn't you just use a pipebomb?
Never done any fighting sports before but I always found myself absolutely exhausted when I played football and had to tackle so I want to improve my stamina and strength.
What's the best fighting sport to start at? And should I get knee surgery if one of my knees is weak?
>>37869173
Yeah, meanwhile literally .00001% of the total world population is fluent with bjj. Be realistic. I guess you can prepare for the worst, but statistically if you get into a fight with someone who is a practiced bjj fighter, you should probably just kys because your luck in life is complete shit to begin with.
>>37872926
Do you want to strike or grapple? Boxing and Muay Thai are good for striking and BJJ or judo or wrestling are good for grappling
>>37873562
i-i want to be strong sempai
Best fighting style is to not get into fights
Too risky for both parties; I've seen fellas go from living to dead with a single punch in between.
>>37873641
agreed
but still it would be useful to know some fighting style if the fight would be inevitable
At the risk of sounding edgy, I'd probably suggest a combination of basic striking and grappling.
Probably the most important part of it though is being the angriest motherfucker in the room. It's pretty unlikely that you're gonna get attacked by a real trained fighter, so it'll probably basically boil down to who is more ready to actually hurt the other guy.
Most people probably won't expect you to gouge their eyes out.
>>37874435
youre right that does sound edgy
>>37872960
the anon you replied to has talked about multiple altercations where he basically fucked up drunkards and jealous faggots by himself. that's bjj brownbelt(as well as wrestling, boxing, and muay thai)-anon. he gives probably the only good advice i've seen desu
>>37869218
>black dude
What a fucking surprise.
>>37872602
This guy gets it
I'm thinking about doing boxing AND jiu jitsu just because I like the idea of fighting for fun, but if I was in a real fight you'd better believe I'd reach for at least a knife if not a gun.
>>37868814
>being a boxer shill
I know someone has almost definitly beat me to it
But if you can box yeah you'll generally be able to beat someone in a fight, same is true if you can kick, I've known plenty of people get knees broken by kicks, bjj is only good if they guy charges you or something if he just takes a swing yeah bjj isn't really worth anything.
>>37868846
>the majority of all self defense altercations do not goto the ground
Have you even seen a SINGLE street fight?
One that ends before the ground ends with stab wounds.
>>37874435
Not being angry, but being friendly instead, works even better.
>>37868814
Other way round, OP. A good boxer would lose to a decent MMA fighter, because MMA utilizes all sorts of different moves and groundwork. This doesn't mean that starting MMA would turn you into someone who could do 12 rounds with Tyson, but it would make you much better off if you got into a street fight
>>37878392
Okay, now I've trained boxing then muay thai and lastly switched to MMA. And I did compete even won titles at muay thai.
In a street fight no one would even try kicking. Clinch is awesome, yes, but an average boxer is not slow enough to get caught. Boxers throw the best punches (duh) while mma combatants train clinch, wrestling, locks, elbows, knees, kicks and punches boxers train footwork and punching. A boxers punch is x5 better, faster, harder to block and dodge and is more accurate. In a ring a mt or mma fighter would absolutely fucking wreck a boxer. But in the streets a boxer does not have to deal with that shit just use footwork and land a solid hook to the jaw and it is a solid ko. Also boxers take punches better so there is that.
While boxing is fun and I definately recommend muay thai is much better than everything elde i've done.
>>37868846
What is distance management? Oh? Legs are longer than arms? huh. You are painfully stupid.
>>37868991
An average mma fighter would wrap you up and put you to sleep. Assuming they didn't just want to kick the everloving shit out of you first. You're a troll or delusional.
>>37868814
Sure, as long as the person has no kicking skills or ground game, then your fucked. Best way to fuck people up is with wrestling and kickboxing (or muay thai).
>>37870702
I've been called out and attacked by random drunks/addicts 3 times in the last 5 years. Random acts of violence occur. Just because it upsets your safe world view does not make it an impossibility
>>37868980
I laffed
>>37869049
Unless you know for a fact that he's a very high level competitor, it is very unlikely that his black belt is legitimate.
So guys help me out here if you will.
I have about 10 years of judo experience and I am now looking for aomething else.
I did a class of MMA at my local gym and I liked it so I'm gonna do MMA once a week.
However I want have 1 more day a week left, should I go for boxing or muay thai?
