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If I do 100 curls with a 10lbs dumbbell, isn't it the same as doing 10 curls with a 100lbs dumbbell as far as muscle atrophy is concerned??
>atrophy
>>37865024
oh shit yeah lol
what's it called when you gain muscle
take it easy, I'm /g/ /v/
>>37864988
its not the same, your body needs shit for muscle size when it comes to endurance
>>37865044
eyy... Im nerdy as shit but can probably outlift most here. Keep at it and keep lerking bro.
>>37864988
PROGRESSIVE
TENSION
OVERLOAD
>>37865044
Distrophy
>>37865044
hypertrophy is what you were looking for, anabolism is probably a better word tho.
<3
>>37864988
> people go to the gym instead of doing the workout at home without weights for 1000 reps
>>37865172
no, anabolism is a worse word for what he means.
>>37864988
No. Volume is important, but it has to be at a minimum intensity. You can't do a million reps with 4% of your 1RM and get jacked.
>>37866059
you can if you take roids :^)
>>37866084
roids are not magical pills.
>>37866146
except they totally are
Can someone link or explain how muscle growth works
>>37866146
They're magical syringes.
>>37866153
>>37866178
So I guess none of you have taken them.
>>37864988
no you fucking idiot, that's like saying that because you can squat 100kg for 10 reps you can squat 200kg for 5 reps
it doesn't work like that
>>37866196
There are so many stories of guys stalling at training, who gain a lot of muscle in their first cycle without really changing anything else.
>>37866226
so hard work + roids = results
not just roids = results
>>37866240
"hard work"
Going to the gym for an hour a few times a week isn't hard work.
It's a fun hobby.
Maybe one day you'll grow over this "NOPAIN, NOGAIN, TEARS, BLOOD, SWEAT" motivation bullshit.
Oh, and on untrained people, roids will give results even if they don't work out.
>>37866153
>>37866178
>this is what nattys actually believe
>inb4 the ONE study that showed increase muscle mass on newbs sitting on their ass
>>37866274
>Oh, and on untrained people, roids will give results even if they don't work out.
Yeah... and then they plateau like everyone else and come off cycle and go back down to nothing because they don't train.
Roids. Aren't. Magic. They're a fucking wonderful supplement for gaining muscle but you need to work your ass off for the great benefits and even then you won't be a giant overnight. Not even a year.
>>37866274
nope mate, not how it works.
Ever seen someone to got in great shape with roids who did not work out hard and ate nice?
>>37866337
You're not specific enough. You guys are both arguing and have points but you wont get anywhere.
If someone takes turinabol and works out 4 days a week he will get pretty strong. But if another person who started at the same time and has equal lifts takes turinabol and lifts 12-14 times per week if not more then guess whos going to be way stronger.
Some drugs require more work. Some drugs yeah you can sit back and make some progress lose some fat.
But the real reason to use anabolics is to be able to work more.
Have you ever heard of a watt?
You can't put on muscle if your still in 6th grade retard.
>>37866374
I think we're saying the same thing?
Roids let you work harder and do more, they won't just magically make you a big giant.
I know plenty of people who are on and they look like normal dudes because they aren't dedicated enough.
>>37866337
Whey is a supplement, creatine is a supplement.
Roids are fucking magic.
Say you have twins.
Put one twin on roids.
The other one will have to train far better and longer for worse results.
The "work your ass off" meme is really overblown.
Sure you need to go to the gym a few times a week for an hour, big fucking deal.
If you want to be Arnold-level big, then yeah, sure, you need to spend a big amount of time on training and eating right.
But the difference between what an average Joe can achieve with or without roids is huge, compared to the effort he needs to take.
>such denial
>>37866401
>Sure you need to go to the gym a few times a week for an hour, big fucking deal.
nope mate, nope.
>>37866411
just a b itter fattie
>>37866391
Sure they let you work harder.
Because they let you recover faster, and you'll feel more energetic etc.
But they will "magically" add a solid amount of muscle without really training much harder than you normally would.
Ofcourse if you normally don't train well at all, you'll still look bad on roids.
But if you train reasonably well, the difference between being on or off roids is pretty big for most recreational lifters.
>>37866434
>just a UGL shill faggot
>>37866451
you're delusional mate.
You probably think all the other people look better than you just because they roid, right?
>>37866421
If you just want to be reasonably big and strong? Sure, it's enough.
And it'll cost you a lot less effort than trying to do it natty.
Not if you want to be competitive, ofcourse.
>>37866455
And you probably believe IG nattys are actually....natty
>>37866411
>not even his own anecdotal evidence
LOL
>>37866401
So you're saying roids SUPPLEMENT a good diet and gym habit. Interesting.
Nattys are fucking dumb. Ive been on and off for a year and no shit I have better gains because of it but "magic" literally means there is no work involved. That I can just wave my magic syringe and get huge. That I can fuck off with my diet and just jump through a field of giliflowers and get jacked....
None of that is true. I look big, and I def look bigger than I would if I was natty, but I had to put the work in all the same. MORE work and MORE dedication to my diet than I ever was natty.
>>37866456
I mean, obviously, difference between roiding and not roiding is good, b ut roiding while not working hard won't give you shit
>>37866477
Right
>>37866504
I honestly might think you're retarded. Not even in a mean way, I seriously think you have problems with logic and forming opinions.
>>37866522
Nope. I just think you're a deluded jack ass
>>37866481
All depends on what you think "hard work" constitutes of.
I think just doing the big compounds for a few hours a week will be enough to get decent results.
Maybe you think decent results are shit, and anything less than the best you can accomplish is shit, but that's just a different mentality.
>>37866477
It's cool and all that you put more effort in your training and diet, but that doesn't mean that if you kept training and eating the same that you wouldn't still get great benefits from the roids.
Also, everyone responds differently to drugs.
>>37866522
That wasn't even me.
>>37866302
this.
pic is of a young "bodybuilder" who started skelly, took roids, and didn't lift at all. Probably don't want to look like that.
>>37866540
>I think
but that's quite irrelevant.
>>37866538
I'm the only one being realistic. I'm telling you exactly what its like to be on steroids.
You're giving me uniformed OPINIONS about some fantasy land shit where you are morally superior because you're natural and everyone that is bigger and stronger than you is a cheater because they use magic powers for their gains.
You're just being sad and jelly dude.
>>37866544
he took clen
>>37866564
that's literally this entire site.
>>37866567
once again, that's not even me you're responding to.
and nobody said that anyone is morally superior.
nobody said that roiders are cheaters.
roids *will* "magically" add a solid amount of muscle without doing any more effort than usual.
that's just the way it is.
you can have opinions on whether thats cheating or not, but nobody was discussing that.
>>37866598
yeah but what you think about facts is irrelevant.
good work > results
good work + roids > better results
good work > results
good work + great diet > better results
good work > results
good work + great supplements > better results
>>37866631
uh, who was even disagreeing with that?
>>37866567
No. I've been around enough people on roids to say my opinions have validity despite how you 'feel.' Many friends and co workers.
Not one has worked harder than any natty I know. In actuality, most party hard with other recreational drugs. And guess what, they still grew huge. Some, not all, had no real regiment and still got huge and strong within weeks. Some even smoked cigarettes and ate like shit. All they had in common, they all opened the gym door to get in.
So great for you for trying to be healthy and roid at the same time and see great results. But not one of you faggots will make me think or persuade me to believe that roids aren't magical and that it needs to go hand in hand to get beyond average results.
You need to believe that. I don't because I've seen what I've seen. In the end. You do what you have to do. But don't you dare think you did it without your magical elixir.
Inb4 you come up with more bullshit
>>37866657
so good diet = magic too then?
>>37866631
what about
good work + roids + great diet + great supplements
>>37866658
this is exactly what i wanted to say, but couldnt put into words as well, thanks.
>>37866669
you become God
>>37866669
you forgot the most important one of all: good genetics.
the rest doesnt matter one shit if you have shit genetics.
>>37866702
Don't worry man, I've got top 1% bodybuilding genetics, like 80% of guys at my gym
If I do 1,000 bodyweight squats isn't that the same as squatting 150,000 pounds?
>>37864988
that's stupid...
how could it be the same?
if that were true you could shock your muscles with electricity until you reach hypertrophy and grow muscle...
>>37866658
>regiment
>>37866702
You'd have to have to basically be crippled in order for genetics to override all of that, especially with roids included.
>>37867134
nah, mate.
>>37866099
>my routine is zero reps of a million pounds
Why is Nedroid the best webcomic
2008 since i seen her and i still miss her.
>>37864988
WORK
O
R
K
>>37865106
Tseng?
