When did you realize that pic related is the only way to reach your strength and size goals most effectively?
when did you realize that roids are not "cheating", because there are no rules in the game of life, only things that produce desired results and things that don't.
I don't wanna accelerate hair loss.
Have fun dieing of a stroke or heart attack.
>>37822721
>Have fun dieing of a stroke or heart attack.
[CITATION NEEDED]
>>37822712
>when did you realize that roids are not "cheating", because there are no rules in the game of life, only things that produce desired results and things that don't.
It's cheating if I say so. It's my life and I get to set the rules and standards which I hold myself or other people to.
Go get your fast reckless results, but I'll still think you're a piece of shit.
If I wanted easy I'd have stayed with your mum, son.
>>37822732
>It's cheating if I say so. It's my life and I get to set the rules and standards which I hold myself or other people to.
So what if you made the claim that Whey Protein and counting calories are cheating because it gets you to your desired goals more effectively, would that be correct?
>Go get your fast reckless results, but I'll still think you're a piece of shit.
What if a skinnyfat Vegan came up to you and told you that he thinks you're a piece of shit for eating meat and lifting weights because it's vain and dumb? Would you care about his opinion?
>>37822721
Heart disease is caused by consuming animal products. Roids are made from yams.
>>37822750
I only have one life, why would I care what other people say? You only get to speak from your own knowledge and experience so what I say is cheating IS CHEATING from my world view. Doesn't mean it's cheating for others. Not sure what you're trying to argue.
My subjective truth is the only truth I as a person can use. Trying to find some ultimate objective all-compassing truth is pointless, because we're still individuals shaped differently.
Basically, my truth is the only truth for me. Until I alter it based on new experiences.
>>37822787
>I only have one life, why would I care what other people say?
Yeah so how is it cheating to roid?
There's things that get results, and things that don't. There's no rules in life.
>so what I say is cheating IS CHEATING from my world view. Doesn't mean it's cheating for others. Not sure what you're trying to argue.
I'm saying that how can it be cheating if no one ever agreed to not do something, and then did it anyway? I don't remember signing a piece of paper when i started lifting that said "I hereby declare that I will never ever use anabolic steroids for the purpose of bodybuilding".
>>37822797
>I'm saying that how can it be cheating if no one ever agreed to not do something, and then did it anyway?
It's cheating for me, and no amount of rationalising it for you will change my world view. I will always see you as a filthy cheater because you don't conform with my rules.
You cannot change this, and no amount of down voting will change that because in the end the only opinion that matters to me, is mine.
>>37822827
Ok and I think you're a cheater and a faggot for not roiding.
What does that change and why does it matter?
>>37822718
Literally the only fucking reason I stopped after one cycle. It was fucking magical, but I love my thick, luxurious, jet black locks.
>>37822832
Nothing, life is a meaningless accident. We're all going to die and the universe will forget about you.
>>37822846
>We're all going to die and the universe will forget about you.
Yes of course it is, that's why it's best to achieve your goals as quickly and most efficiently as possible.
In this case, roiding is the best way to do so. We're all going top die as you say, so why not roid hard and live up your life?
Have fun getting hearth attack in your 30-s
>>37822885
citation needed
I'm over 35 years old and I've done cardiograms every 2 years, healthy as can be m8.
>>37822852
Dude relax. Look how chill and zen this motherfucker you're replying to is. Be like him. He understands his way is his way and is no superior to yours, but somehow that activated your gluteal nociception
>>37822712
Well not tren
Low dose cruising on test on the other hand
>>37822907
>Low dose cruising on test on the other hand
That goes without saying, obviously.
Every single man over the age of 22 on this planet, even if they don't lift should be taking TRT-dosages of test, even if it's not pharma.
>>37822750
No one cares about what vegans think though
>>37822903
>the roid rage is real
>>37822923
That's my point.
There's only results in this world, no cheating.
Do you want big muscles and to be strong? Then if you're taking the correct path, you are big and strong.
Do you want big muscles and to be strong but you are NOT big and strong? Then you have been on the wrong path and doing the wrong things. There's no other option, it's binary
>>37822907
>[CURRENT YEAR]
>Not cruising on tren
>>37822712
when did you realize that when people embark down a certain path or adopt a new belief, they begin to proselytize that position in order to reinforce the merit of their choice in their own minds?
>>37822971
Never because I'm assuming that people on /fit/ have a goal of lean muscle mass.
What exactly produces the most efficient path to that goal? you guessed it.
>>37822985
my goal is long term health and happiness without having to repeatedly stick needles in my ass and know in the back of my mind I'm dependant on substances to feed my vanity.
you decided to juice, congratulations, but there's no need to start preaching to fit to validate your beliefs.
>>37822903
>Look how cool and zen this motherfucker is
You've got your tongue so far up this guy's asshole, I bet you can taste his boogers
>>37822911
>even if its not pharma
Hmm well i wouldnt advocate mass use of ug grade gear. Ideally youd get pharma grade, its not even expensive
>having muscles because of hormones produced independently from you is not only ok but admirable, but having muscles because of your conscious decision, your effort and money put into it is somehow bad, even if you're not hurting yourself, and even though we're living in times when almost nothing that we use is natural
common sense not even once
>>37823003
Shaving every morning is far more annoying than pinning once a week desu
>>37823047
>Hmm well i wouldnt advocate mass use of ug grade gear. Ideally youd get pharma grade, its not even expensive
Ideally, but UGL gear isn't that bad either honestly.
Just pin 250mg every week even if you don't lift, you'll feel great and look great.
>>37822730
Anabolics = hypertension. This is not a secret. Grilling someone for academic citations in MPS format they can't provide doesn't make it not true.
>>37823056
Results are admirable.
Doesn't matter how you get them. There's no cheating it life man.
Some guy might take be popping caffeine pills, adderall and modafinil all day long to get through College with a 4.0 GPA and 4 internships for each year of college under his belt.
You MIGHT say he's cheating, he's not doing it natty. But who gives a fuck? Is there such a thing as cheating? He did it, he got the results.
>>37822718
hairloss is caused by dht, fyi. 19nor steroids doesnt convert to dht
>>37823056
>why are you guys arguing and criticizing my steroid use?
>in a thread where you are being criticized for not taking anabolic steroids?
>>37823078
There is no criticism.
Anabolic steroids produce results. If those desired results are what you're after then you are not training in the most efficient manner possible.
The only criticism is claiming AAS do not get you to your goals effectively, which I don't think anyone can dispute
What's the best age to start roiding?
I'm 21 now started working out when I was 18, I had a few breaks here and then but this time I'm going all in.
I heard at 24 or something your tests starts to drop so its best to roid then?
>>37823123
>What's the best age to start roiding?
Whenever you feel comfy(and are over 20).
The later you start the safer it is obviously but you're missing out on a lot of enjoyment.
Personally I'd get my test levels checked if I were you, if I had low testosterone then I'd hop on the next week. If I was reasonable to high natty testosterone I would wait a few years.
>>37823123
Best time to start roiding is when you become an advanced lifter
Making sure you are committed to the gym
The number of people I've seen hop on without any knowledge and quit lifting is alarming
>>37823148
Bruh I think I fucking know how to lift some fucking weights and inject some shit.
>>37823165
There is no reason to stall then.
Research sources on r/sst and buy it this week. Start next week.
>>37822712
Solely because I feel like if I took roid no matter what the outcome was, I would feel like I no longer earned the body I had. Naturally, no matter what I have, it's what I deserve and I intend to make it great. If I took roids, no matter how great I look, I'll always know I wasn't the reason I look that way, and I'd be more disappointed than with a lesser body I earned myself.
If you wanna roid to the gills, it's your own call and I won't judge you for it. But my opinion is reserved for myself
>>37823194
>Naturally, no matter what I have, it's what I deserve and I intend to make it great. If I took roids, no matter how great I look, I'll always know I wasn't the reason I look that way, and I'd be more disappointed than with a lesser body I earned myself.
So why don't you feel this way when you eat meat, take vitamins, take whey or creatine?
>"I didn't hunt down this animal and cook it myself on an open fire, I had to buy it from a store!"
>"I didn't get 5 grams of creatine a day from natural food sources by hunting down over 10 small animals a day and consuming them, this was produced in a lab!"
stupid argument
>>37823148
The amount of people I've seen who lift and quit lifting is alarming.
>>37823075
Pls be true
>>37823074
It's funny. People won't call that fraud but they call tren fraud. Humans are walking hypocrisy and have been since the beginning of time. People don't do it now because it's against the law.
We know you're roiding and most of the time we laugh at you. You won't do anything because if you do its off to pound me in the ass prison for you where you'll have to be around real testosterone. The tren wears off.
Do you need it...no but humans have free will after all.
Question is for you is getting arrested worth it?
Also Adderall is so 10 years ago. Science has moved FAR past that coke analog
>>37822846
I don't actually agree with the argument for roiding personally, but you're a fucking retard when it comes to this discussion
>>37822846
If goku thought the way you did DragonBall would have ended when he was a little boy. If naruto thought the way you did it would have ended when he was a little boy.
Believe in yourself man seriously.
You've made up your mind. You are not going to get married, you're not planning to have kids and you don't mind being on exogenous hormone for the rest of your life.
Jab away.
>>37823564
You realize there are countless Raiders with tons of kids right. The statement pretty much shows that you have no idea how biology works. This is a discussion about the merit of anabolic hormones for someone reaching their fitness goals.
No one stays on them the rest of their lives except the bodybuilding morons
>>37822971
Underrated post
Have a (YOUUUU)
And crank dat soulja boi sir
>>37822712
You want us to encourage you?
Go ahead, pin.
Be reasonable, check your blood before every cycle ( or evewry 3 months if you cruise ), keep your blood pressure in check.
In case you are baiting stay small forever.
>>37823580
Dear liftfren. You also realize there's a tiny chance of him being sterile for running a single cycle right?
Oh, the merits. Yes, you're only 25 once. Get it now. Don't wait.
>>37823605
Sigh
Not worth the response if you think taking exogenous hormones results in sterility. Sounds like you need to get out more and see the roiders with 5 or 6 children
>>37822712
>neurotoxic
thanks, but no thanks. I like my brain.
>Intentionally injecting yourself with somewhat risky products only to conform to deluded physical standards, score sloots, or other vain pursuit
At least, pro /semi pro athletes, strongmans , or even fitness YouTubers, semi pro crossfiters or actors like Bale, theiy all have a fucking good reason to pin, it directly impact on their success and revenue...
But me? Why should I fucking pin? I only lift for health and not being a lazy fat slob. while gains are nice, they impacted only minimally my game which was pretty good before. Pro tip non crazy hot girls take the natty socially apt ottermode twink over the roided autist manlet amateur bodybuilder 100% of the time
If you want to take a low risk drug for vain pursuit and sex, take molly not roids, at least you have a good time
>>37822712
this whole topic is you embarrassing yourself
i dont plan on HRT until im 50, after a family and can die comfortably
people already accuse me of roids, and im natty
have fun juggling those side effects
>>37823840
if you do seriously think that taking molly is less damaging than steroids, then you are deluded. There's shitloads of studies documenting the neurotoxic effects of MDMA.
>>37823377
Steroids are legal to posses in my country
Argument invalid.
>>37823965
You're right
I don't take that shit for exactly this reason, I was only being provocative
But my point is the same.
Roids are to the modern male what boobjobs is to women, and the morons doing this are exactly their female couterpart, basically whores, modding their bodies for sex and society. Their reasoning is the same, (muh results! muh hookups! muh sexual sucess! muh work promotions!) their delusions are the same, and they both don't even realise how trashy and insecure they reveal themselves doing this.
I'll take the qt fit small boob girl over the skinnyfat smoking cow with fake tits 100% of the time, just as the qt girl take the fit ottermode guy over the ridiculous roided amateur bodybuiler who doesn't live off his body
>>37823994
that might be the case for some people, but life is rarely this black and white.
I am a transhumanist, which means that I'll readily take any kind of support to improve results. I'm with OP when he says that in life, there isn't such a thing as "cheating".
While I don't regularly drink coffee due to its effects on the body, I occasionally use amphetamine to help me study. I have never roided, but I'm considering it as soon as my natural gains aren't as steep anymore. But that doesn't make me trash. There's a way to use steroids without a big chance of any side effects at all. Of course, something can always go wrong, but that's also true for lifting as such. Taking steroids properly takes time, research, money, in short - dedication. Because if you lack that dedication, you'll fuck up. Many people are scared of putting needles in the body, they don't know where to get good gear from, they don't want to read what gear they need, they don't want to come up with a proper cycle and PCT, they're afraid they don't have the willpower to go back to natty training after a cycle and so on and so on.
Roiding isn't cheating because it also takes dedication, albeit one that is different from that of normal workout discipline.
It's not cheating but I'm not gonna have my whole life revolve around lifting so I'd rather not, at least not until I turn 30.
>>37822712
It was kind of obvious from the start desu always wanted to be big.
Just gonna wait a few years (probably 7 since im 18) since i was told to not start using this early by many sources.
>>37822732
Who are you even cheating if you dont compete in a tested sport?
>if i wanted easy
You will actually have to work much harder to maximize possible results on roids since your recovery is improved vastly.
>>37823994
if you think that TRT dosages of test will make you look like a bodybuilder you're dead wrong
>>37823952
>HRT
50 is a little late to become a girl, anon
>>37824290
And all boob implants aren't huge gross oversize shit, they are small implants too, that won't make you look like a crackwhore pornstar... but still, it's a boobjob, done for shit reasons by emotionally immature women
Same for Steroids, if you're not an athlete, an actor, a semi pro fitness professional, why fucking bother
And if you think people can't tell the difference, well you're half right, normies won't, but any guy who was into sports or who lifted seriously can.
I spot the middle age guys who roid way before I overhear them talking about their cycle or asking about "supplements" the obvious dealer of the gym
ITT, rationalisation, rationalisation, rationalisation
Also lmao at the double thinking of fitfags who can't shut up about obesity being unhealthy, but suddently claiming roids are not...
way to go fit
>>37822712
>When did you realize that pic related is the only way to reach your strength and size goals most effectively?
Never
>when did you realize that roids are not "cheating", because there are no rules in the game of life, only things that produce desired results and things that don't.
Never
>>37824489
Because the evidence shows obesity is undoubtedly unhealthy and unattractive while roiding in moderation is fine
>>37824500
So you are denying that roids are most effective to reach your lifting goals?
Care to explain why?
>>37824126
I agree with you, roiding takes effort, knowledge, dedication
But you didn't address my main point: why fucking roid? if you aren't a professional entertainer such as athlete, actor, celebrity or even work in a circus?? What's the fucking point??
With lifting property natty you're already in the 1% anyway
>>37824537
To look amazing and feel great idiot
>>37824537
>lifting natty
>looking like you lift
pick one
>>37822770
Nigga what.
>>37824538
Just like a stripper with new boobs would say, asked the same question
But at least you're honest, it's about looks only, you don't sugarcoat it with stupid shit (lifting goals, "strength", better social status, yadda yadda)
>>37822712
I realized this when I figured out that as a man I have to be 110% of myself to be considered "normal" while women just have to exist and have unlimited options via social media. Then I said "ok, that's a dating scene, professional field must be different and more traditional", but when I applied for my first job that same social media fueled woman was in HR and was judging me 90% based on my looks and number of likes she would have for dating me if I climb enough hierarchy stairs and 10% based on my knowledge of the field.
You adapt to unfair world by cheating or you die a lonely honest man.
>>37824567
You did a shitty brosplit 5 days a week before you took that anavar, didn't you
Lmao those roiders, all the same everywhere
>>37822911
Why over the age of 22? does test levels start to fall? I'm 19 will my test start to lower?
>>37824593
Good for the stripper.
Why would I care? Strippers are fine people I like looking at them.
Looking good - social status and strength is obviously part of it.
I want people to stare at me and say "wow"
>>37824615
Elliot pls don't shoot up my college
>>37824623
Ur HPTA stops developing around 25
Test falls hard at 30-35 onward, can start earlier or be low as it is though
>>37824620
>anavar
Are you a woman?
>>37824625
People disproportionately caring about looking "good", in my short experience were actually looking trashy and were not very bright
>>37824625
I may seem overly cynical but after you graduate you'll see it yourself. And you'll have accept it and search for various shortcuts in order to keep up with world.
I only use test blends and I get the look I want with no sides. Tren is very powerful and effective but it's kinda overrated, it's not magic.
>>37823699
You dumb fuck. The risk of shutdown is there whenever you go on a cycle.
How dangerous is it to do a low dose cycle of test. If I plan on juicing I'm only going to do 1 cycle, or is it dumb to roid unless you blast and cruise for the rest of your life?
>>37824668
>And you'll have accept it and search for various shortcuts in order to keep up with world.
That's life bro.
Adapt or cry and shoot up a school and then yourself. No way around it
>>37824680
>ren is very powerful and effective but it's kinda overrated, it's not magic.
It pretty much is magic. Gaining hella mass and strength while losing bodyfat even at low doses?
Don't mind if i do
>>37824774
>How dangerous is it to do a low dose cycle of test
No dangerous at all, in fact it's risk-free
>>37824849
Is there a way to deal with the plummeting levels of test when I cycle off?
Also, do you have a routine for a low dose cycle of test?
>>37824914
>Also, do you have a routine for a low dose cycle of test?
Standard is 15 weeks of 500mg test-e/wk, first 5 weeks of 50mg dbol(optional desu though). Take your AI during cycle and nolva after cycle
>Is there a way to deal with the plummeting levels of test when I cycle off?
Nolvadex
I just can't wait till my 3rd cycle cause that's going to be when I start tren, I'm on test/deca/dbol shits cash
>>37823222
> getting butt blasted about someone's personal opinion, even after stating that they do not hold everyone to same opinion and allows others
You are the one adding the hunting bullshit. I just want to hit the limit on what my body can achieve with the parameters I've set for it. Those parameters do not include steroids. They may be broader than others, like someone who only eats what he catches, but that only means I should have a higher end goal than them. Just like how someone who decided to use steroids should have a goal to be bigger than what they can be naturally.
My argument is that your parameters that you set are your own, and each can decide what they are. Mine do not include steroids and thus I would feel like cheating if I broke them.
>>37824938
Thanks. Is there more where I can read this?
If that is the recommended dose for test, what sort of AI is needed for one cycle?
Has anyone started roiding bc of natty gains being limited by height?
Being 6'6 is been hard to get bigger, since noob gains are gone...
>>37822846
Pseudo-intellect the post
>>37823526
Kys weeb scum
>>37824938
Is this any good?
Week 1-12 Testosterone- Enanthate or Testosterone-Cypionate: 250mg-500mg per week
Week 13-15 you will take nothing and let the testosterone begin to clear out
Week 16-10 5mg Estradiol Cypionate 2x a Week
HCG dose of 250iu E.4d
>>37822712
OP is degenerate SCUM who does not belong on /fit/ and who deserves to be PERMABANNED.
small balls a side effect or is that a meme?
also men with naturally high levels of test will always be better
>>37825392
Small balls is true, but who cares? What do you honestly need big balls for?
>>37825400
>What do you honestly need big balls for?
>>37825417
srsly though?
Dick is important but why balls?
>>37822787
someone joined philosophy school
>>37825427
It's not. Besides the only person who is going to know is you, unless your girl is a nut connoisseur and notices.
>>37825392
yea, it's proven to be true, my professor did a case study on that. I'm not a roider, but med student.
afaik, it'll also lessen your sperm count (since the maturation of spermatogonia is regulated by paracrine test). proviron can be used to boost libido (a lot).
>>37825518
honestly having small nuts seems fine, i hate mine tangling.
I'm pretty sure i've gotten micro testicular torsions or something due to them swinging and wearing boxers.
I'm sure if i had them shrunken they'd be much better
>>37825392
naturally high levels of test are so minimal different to naturally normal levels of test there is pretty much no difference unless you really have really low t.
>>37824537
>why fucking roid?
because people fucking want to look good faster, if you think is dumb? ok but your image affect your state of mind, when i was skinny fat with shitty skin i was miserable, i couldn't kiss a girl for shit, i couldn't feel good about myself, now i'm ottermode and about to cycle and i'm feeling amazing already, i can feel good when i look in the mirror, i get compliments, not just from girls, from random people that i know about how happy i look now that i live a "healthy life style", thats what matters for me, i want i do it, don't care about people judging my decicions even if its dumb as fuck
>>37825588
It's not even so much about the gains.
The feels of roiding are insane
>>37824722
What is hcg you ingrate. People masquerade as people of intelligence and it's laughable.
>>37825183
Your family will feel the same way when the Russians and Chinese get here lol
Hope your little muscles help you then
>>37822834
>jet black locks
I feel sorry for you anon
>>37825630
Feeling sorry for the chosen....yeah...about that.
Maybe you should worry about yourself anon
>>37825609
What about ostarine instead of HCG if I plan on taking only 1 cycle, so I don't plummet my test levels and to can keep most of my gains?
>>37825980
Should probably do your own research if you're considering putting exogenous hormones into your body but that's just me. Most of fit is fuckboys who like seeing people fuck themselves up for life. Do actual research from a chemistry standpoint.
Why do people advise hopping on test when you get older, whats the downside of tsking it at age 19-20?
What are the downsides of taking test, my father had a hearth attack at age 50, not overweight but stil didnt move too much or eat so clean, still better than most people since we mostly eat our organic food, could be the high pressure he got in 30-s, genetics.
If I start taking test now, will this even fuck me up more since I could have the same high pressure genetics
>>37822712
>summer time
>ROID shills out in full force
every summer you guys blast (pun intended) this board with propaganda. Seriously, how much are you UGL faggots making per insecure punk on this board.
are there any roids that don't require injecting, won't give you bitch tits, won't destroy your internal organs, won't give you hideous bacne, won't give you roid gut, aren't prohibitively expensive, don't require you be tethered to a drug cocktail the rest of your life, etc etc?
basically pop a pill and go with minimal side effects
>>37826420
>basically pop a pill and go with minimal side effects
no. Maybe SARMs but they have little effects really better than natty i guess, although no side effects.
>any roids that don't require injecting
Why? Injecting isn't bad as it seems. It just scares people because they assosciate it with hard drugs.
>won't give you bitch tits
Take aromasin/adex
>won't destroy your internal organs
None of them? Just do light blasts of 500mg test-e and cruise on 250mg, maximal gains for side effects/cost/risk
>won't give you hideous bacne
This is individual desu, mostly tren I think gives a problem with this
>won't give you roid gut
Only abuse of insulin and HGH will do that. but at that point you've gone over into the far end and are now a competing pro bodybuilder with mental illness
>aren't prohibitively expensive
You can cruise on test for ~$300/yr. And it will give you much better gains than natty.
>don't require you be tethered to a drug cocktail the rest of your life
At the worst it will "tether" you to a TRT dosage of test. Not a big fking deal
>>37826420
Popping pills has the worst sides it's better to just use test-e. Minimal sides too.
Just do this
Standard is 15 weeks of 500mg test-e/wk, first 5 weeks of 50mg dbol(optional desu though). Take your AI during cycle and nolva after cycle
>>37822712
>tfw 50mg of anavar every single day
>tfw my friends are forcing me to go out this weekend with them because they're leaving
>tfw they want me to drink, but I'm scared as fuck.
fml
>>37826482
Is clenbuterol any good? I'm another anon.
>>37826214
That pic is hilarious. Seriously though. Anyone in that world knows you go to the gay guys to get their extra aids stash if you're trying to roid it up.
They're a pathetic group now. No roads and they cry oh I can lift or fuck. You weak fucks. They make money till the feds catch them and it's fed time :)
>>37826482
Not him, but what do I do if I don't want to cruise? Run 500mg test-e for 15 weeks. What AI should I use during it?
He's natty
why aren't you?
>>37826530
Just keep some on hand if you're not using dbol
take 12.5mg when u feel estro sides, take it from day if you're on dbol
If your desired physique/strength is well within natural limits then hopping on gear just shows you aren't patient or (potentially) undisciplined.
If your desired physique/strength is at the top natural genetic potential (in general, not your personal genetics), then hopping on gear before you've realized your plateau naturally (2-4 years lifting) then your also the above.
If your desired physique/strength is well above the natural genetic potential, and you have accepted that you wish to achieve it, then you should still complete MINIMUM 1 year of uninterrupted training (ideally 2) and not start before 25 unless your test levels are low.
Thats the end, you take steroids if you can't achieve your goal otherwise (and your willing to trade up a little health for your goals, which is personal)
>>37826617
Aromasin or letzrole?
Also, why is dbol recommended on first cycle with test-e?
>>37826214
>not just buying online
>>37826780
>Also, why is dbol recommended on first cycle with test-e?
Because enanthate is a long ester, you're not going to feel the effects of the test until about 3-4 weeks in. So it's recommended to get on the gains train from the start to "kickstart" it
>>37823073
"I'm too scared to take peds so i bitch about them on the internet"
>>37823377
>coke analog
>completely different class of drugs
moron
>>37823840
>recommends MDMA for not only non theraputic settings but rather recreational abuse
God, everyone in this thread is an idiot.
>>37823377
Sterons are legal for personal use in my country.
>>37823994
And no matter how high the little fox jumped, he JUST couldn't reach those grapes.
>>37824583
Heart disease is most commonly associated with saturated fat from red meat
All this cope
At the end of the day no one cares where you came from, they care about where you're at right now.
>>37827165
>At the end of the day no one cares where you came from, they care about where you're at right now.
Exactly. As i've said itt.
Only results matter. There are things that get results and things that don't.
If your training method/nutrition/supplementation is getting you results effectively, it is good. if it doesn't, it sucks.
>>37823046
Chill man
>>37822852
>that's why it's best to achieve your goals as quickly and most efficiently as possible.
Then why are you on 4chan right now instead of doing something else? Surely there's currently a more efficient way you can be reaching your fitness goals than posting here
>>37823222
For most people the line stops at penetrating your skin you ding dong
>>37826998
Sorry I didn't waste my life studying something and can't even say Gods real name or his family will be horribly mutilated deaths lol
See how's it feel to be fucked with. You know the hedge fund guy who got his throat slit came to my college to speak years ago. Indian guy. I remember the cocky basted very well. Talked about all the money he was making like he was god. It's a shame he decided to commit suicide. At least I wasn't a snitch when I got arrested. God has looked out for me my whole life :)
>Be fat
>work in a warehouse for 4 years
>pallet jack days were my favorite
>2000 pound pallets hauling them around
>lose weight
>helloforearms.jpg
Feels good man
>>37827331
And that's something to brag about...well you're in for a treat like those McDonald's workers soon enough
>>37826864
Thanks for the info. Dbol is for 5 weeks? How can you tell the sides are kicking in with it?
If I'm only doing one cycle pct is nolva and HCG? AI during the cycle when sides start to kick in?
>>37827399
>AI during the cycle when sides start to kick in?
AI from the start if you're going with dbol, it's very estrogenic
>>37826510
Just drink you enormous pussy
>>37827375
I'm not going to be replaced by machinery if that's what you're talking about
>>37827409
In reading steroids.com and they recommend clomid with nolvadex as a pct for test e and arimidex (anastrozole) as an AI. Does this sound good?
I'm planning to do the normal routine of
"Standard is 15 weeks of 500mg test-e/wk, first 5 weeks of 50mg dbol. Take your AI during cycle and nolva after cycle".
Someone in this thread recommended ostarine to keep most of the gains off cycle, not sure if that is sound.
Pinning test was the best decision I made in life.
It makes everything better.
>>37827614
>Pinning test was the best decision I made in life.
>tfw i havent experienced this
>>37827508
Unfortunately you're wrong. Unless you have already been replaced...
>>37827636
>>37822712
>>37822718
>I don't wanna accelerate hair loss.
this, and I may already have slight gyno from being skinny fat for most of my life. I have no moral opposition to pinning and would probably myself if it weren't for fear of sides. That and I've only been serious about lifting for about a year and just feel like I'd need more experience.
>>37827667
AR least he likes Dennis rodman
>>37823075
True, try nofap and see for yourself.
>>37823222
Getting things in a more convenient form is not the same as getting something you wouldn't otherwise have at all. Your argument would hold up if we were all getting grams of test through our diet but now decided it would be easier just to inject it instead.
>>37823065
Ive never seen any discussion on here about where to actually acquire these things. Is that a bannable offense or something? im very interested
>>37828191
reddit.com/r/steroidsourcetalk
>>37822712
one of my goals is to maintain my health, and since there seems to be a steep learning curve with these things, i have next to no knowledge, and i wont have access to a doctor to test my blood regularly, I'm just not gonna fuck with them anytime soon
Are there any pros for SARMS?
>>37830376
None.
>more expensive than hormones
>HPTA suppressive
>not enough research to justify use
>sourced from sketchy Chinese chemical labs with unknown purity
I'd trust UGL steroids over Chinese SARMs any day
>>37822712
>tfw the whole tren dick memeing has made me very interested in trenbolone
I'm daydreaming about busting pussy on daily basis, w-what if I mix some tren with boner pills, oh my...
guys i'm skinny fat and have never done roids
i would say someone ripped and roided is better off.
who cares if you die at 23 from a "weak heart"
>>37822846
>life is meaningless
Lol into the trash you go
>>37827742
What does nofap have to do with roids?
>>37823112
Pretty easy to dispute man.
>implying we all have the same fitness goals
Done.
>>37822712
More risk than reward.
>>37824489
why bother driving a fast car if you aren't a race car driver or a cop
some people like being big and muscular, just because someone doesn't try to live for as many years as possible doesn't mean they're wasting their life
