So /fit/ I and looking for your opinion on a debate me and my gym bro had. He thinks that only the weight of the plates should count, and I think you need to add the weight of the bar to the plates for how much you are lifting. Who is the bigger fag?
Pic unrelated.
Depends. Which one of you is the bottom?
>>37620859
Doesn't really matter how you count, as long as you can measure progress
Fucking hell women are disgusting
>>37620859
He is. I mean, if you're comparing yourself to other people, the bar doesn't really matter because everyone lifts it. But that's your prerogative to do so. You're not always comparing to other people so that isn't really applicable. There is no point in not counting the bar. You bench 225, not 185 since "everyone lifts it," just like you wouldn't discount how many miles you ran, or how many assignments you did for a class.
>>37620909
ikr? whats worse is she probably took a dicking afterwards. I wonder if he was covered in mashmellow too.
>>37620883
me *waggles eyebrows*
>>37620859
Yes, you count the bar. Anyone who disagrees is a huge faggot.
1pl8 is 135 pounds, not 90. 2pl8 is 225 pounds, not 180.
>>37621133
this
are you lifting the bar? does it fucking weigh something? This isn't even a discussion..
>>37621181
he was acting like I was the faggot for counting the bar.
>>37621133
that's not an argument
However if you are talking about 'how much you can lift' then the bar has to be included as it is lifted
>>37621247
you must be a manlet then
When you are listing a weight you lift in actual units, you include the bar. This is how all barbell competitions are judged, and world records recorded. This gives you a noticeably better idea of how you could perform in a lifting task that doesn't use a bar. It lets you adjust correctly if you use a bar that is not a standard weight.
Some confusion may arise from the fact that when talking in "plates" (which is more convenient when, eg, talking with a gym partner about how much weight to load for your next set), you say the number of plates on one side of the bar.
So "1 plate" is said 145lbs (or 60kg), because you include the bar in the total weight, because that is the weight you are actually lifting.
It's kind of funny. "you don't count the bar" obviously started as a total troll, but now I bet there are legitimately fucking idiots out there that believe it. I hope you're proud of yourselves /fit/
>>37621403
>you don't count the bar
unless you've found a way to lift the weight without using the bar? :^)
>>37621416
It's easy dude, you just pick up the plates and lift them?
>>37621401
I just count, 6'1.
>>37621403
so then do you think he might be trolling me? He is one who is internet savvy and has been on /fit/ before.
>>37621422
ok then if you're bench pressing by just holding the plates then you don't count the bar obviously
Personally, weights weight. people use just the bar for a reason, because it weighs something but not alot. if your benching 1 pl8 your benching 60kg if your benching 2 pl8s your benching 100kg. the weight of the bar does count towards how much u lift
>>37621776
Do you have some form of brain damage?
>>37621776
>because it weighs something but not alot. if your benching 1 pl8 your benching 60kg
that's 33% of the weight, that is a lot
>>37620859
If it's just to track your progress, then it doesn't matter.
I count the weight loaded on one side of the bar, and mark that in my training diary.
Same for my adjustable dumbbells, just the weight on one side of one dumbbell.
>>37620859
ofc you count the bar. you do this because not every lift uses the same bar, or a bar at all, and sometimes you compare lifts across platforms. like say you barbell bench 225 for 5, you might dumbbell bench 150 for 5. if you discounted the bar this comparison would make no sense. someone who curls 25s on an oly bar is obviously curling more than someone who does 25s on an EZ bar.
>>37621899
nigger this is a troll--the weight of the god damn dumbbell bar is included
foaming fucking mad
>>37620909
But the photographer, or pornographer paid her to do that. I doubt it's her idea of a good time.
>>37620909
Men are just fine though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx4jEIZyTZU
>>37621133
>>37621403
>Including the weight of the bar in your lift
LOL did you just start lifting yesterday?
>>37622294
there is no way this is real.
>>37621947
No, all I need is the weight on one side.
If I completed my reps with 36.25kg per side last week, I need to load up each side with 37.5kg to see some progression.
If I wrote the full weight in my training diary, I'd have to take off the weight of the bar, then divide what's left in half, before I could work out which plates to use.
Tracking the weight on just one side, is much easier and quicker.
>>37621403
I feel so sympathetic for you....
You're on the spot, yet in the end you took OPs b8 so the trolls ITT will ridicule you.
>>37622544
OP here, was not bait, I was looking for honest opinions
>>37622573
I ain*t even mad <:^)
if you want opinions:
you're lifting the whole mass against its weight, so from a physics standpoint, count the bar
for convinience it's common practice to refer to certain loads of the bar with only the plates, leaving the bar unaccounted :D
>>37622573
This is what i wrote and is the easiest way to track progress in your diary.
>>37622502
Of course if you want to compare yourself to others, you'd need to use the full weight of the plates and the bar.
But for recording and tracking, just the plates on one end is what I use.
>>37622606
Lots of opinions with different reasons for each, I'd like to thank everyone for their input.
>>37622626
Try both and see which you prefer, is the most common sense way to approach it.
>>37621133
yep, this. you're lifting the bar, arent you? if you tell someone you can only squat the bar, do you tell them you squat 0 pounds? of course not, because you ARE lifting the weight of the bar, so you definitely add it to your squat weight.
but thats for the official number. it might help to just track your weight without the bar weight as you can just throw that amount of weight on the bar instead of having to subtract.
