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Will FL reach wizard status or will this be his lucky shot?
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>>37520992
>>37528440
so chewing gum while on test. any noticeable benefits?
>>37528452
Fresh breath
in for black angels
>>37528452
no
just no. People the world over would have outrageous jawlines if CHEWING was enough to make the musculature there actually grow. You can improve how the jaw sits, and how lean you are.
>>37528463
shit who would've known
>>37528494
i'm pretty lean, im just wondering because my cousin told me my jaw looks more defined since starting test but im thinking it's just my accelerated stubble accentuating it
>>37528510
You're probably leaner.
>>37528440
>Will FL reach wizard status or will this be his lucky shot?
hes gonna make it brehs
>>37528476
bats?
>>37528452
See >>37528463
>>37528494
Masseter and temporalis hypertrophy are very real. It requires significant fatigue of the jaw muscles as well as potent enough anabolics over an extended period of time.
>>37528589
That girl from leddit is sexy as hell.
>>37528589
I'm been led to believe it's moreso due to hyperplasia-induced growth rather than hypertrophic growth. Which itself is not a surprise. It's highly similar to the musculature of the soleus and gastrocnemius which respond poorly to stimulus outside of high MGF/IGF conditions. i.e if you are genetically predisposed and have fantastic response to the drugs and training of those areas, in addition to the drugs themselves in sufficient doses.
>>37528655
>It's highly similar to the musculature of the soleus and gastrocnemius which respond poorly to stimulus outside of high MGF/IGF
Explains why my calves and facial muscles blew up on high tren.
>>37528650
Reddit has fantastic whores
>on tren cut
>enjoying my full fat greek yogurts with 6-8 scoops of brotein powder a day
>now the "initial" part of my shits are getting hard and dry
godamnit, at least it's not as bad as when I drank 2+ liters of milk every day.
>>37528683
I'm not going to ask for pics, but has your actual facial musculature continued to grow larger or is it just more visible and dry? This will have a bigger effect than you think. Calves can actually be trained, facial muscles less so.
Tren = IGF = MGF splice
steroids are for losers
>>37528691
Just get some fiber you retard
Psyllium husks are your friend
>>37528683
Were you on any orals at the time as well? I'm going to get my IGF measured on a cruise dose one day, then get it re-measured on cruise dose + dbol. I'd love to see the actual effects of orals and their relation to IGF in the liver.
>>37528691
>6-8 scoops of protein powder a day
kek
Anyone used anabolics.com?
>>37528777
>he doesnt want to leave humanity behind
>>37528778
>>37528798
Why
How do into fraud
>>37528753
Well they are literally for winners (until they get busted)
>>37528683
>Reddit has fantastic whores
The best, they're fantastic, I love em.
how many of you guys predisposed to mpb saw hairloss on a test e cycle? also is there an effective alternative to finasteride (decided not willing to risk permanently killing my dick)
>>37529111
>is there an effective alternative
Maybe some of that voodoo shit mossad talks about. You don't lose any hair regardless, it just relocates to your body.
No one answered last time i asked:
guys, i was going to start a 500mg test e cycle, but i've just read about nandrolone and it doesnt give you hairloss like test does.
1:Any reason i shouldnt switch to nandrolone?
2:Is a nandrolone only cycle a bad idea?
>>37529193
It can cause hairloss and yes, you need test in there otherwise you will feel like shit and your dick won't work
>>37529193
Testosterone makes your dick work. It makes everything in your body work for that matter.
Run 150mg Testosterone every week, it'll keep the engine running whilst being unlikely to see hairloss issues.
>>37529111
Same thing. Run low test and something that won't hurt your hairline. If you start losing your hair from that, shave that fucking thing.
>>37529180
>You don't lose any hair regardless, it just relocates to your body.
What the fuck are you saying?
>inb4 this is one of those faggots that has perfect hair even on gear
DHT is THE 1# major cause for hairloss, and everyone knows the test you inject your ass with gets converted to DHT to some extent.
If you inject 3x natty levels, you will have 3x more DHT in your body.
Also what is it that mossad talks about?
The only thing i know that legit works for hairloss is:
>no shampooing
>massaging your scalp for increased blood flow (flushing out stuck DHT)
>contracting your scalp muscle for increased blood flow. (flushing out stuck DHT)
>>37529221
>>37529205
Well i saw so many people saying it doesnt give them hairloss at all, while they go full bald on test.
I also care more about my hair than my dick desu. So if nandrolone means dead dick, but full hair, i will go for it.
Does nandrolone shut down natty test production?
Yeah i know what test does and why its important.
Are you suggesting i should run high nandrolone for the gains, and natty test to keep hairloss in check?
Would that work?
>>37529249
>care more about my hair than my dick
What the fuck dude?
>>37529249
Go back to studying up on steroids.
>Does nandrolone shut down natty test production?
Of course it does. It's a 19-nor (with a stupidly long ester if you choose deca) and displays metabolic action for months after cessation. You will be 'shut down' after your first shot and might have a lot of trouble trying to get yourself back to normal.
It's not just your dick, there are so, so many things that testosterone does, which is why everyone uses it as a base. 150mg will put you on the very high end of the natural scale, if not above.
>>37528745
No the growth only occurred on blasts
Masseter is easy to dismiss as dryness but temporalis is noticeable. When I got a haircut I really was able to see the difference.
>>37528772
Either epi winny or var I can't remember. I popping them preworkout.
>>37528898
Best way to start the day.
>>37529224
>What the fuck are you saying?
Lame attempt at a joke obviously. Androgens=body hair growth while balding your head.
>>37529361
Hectic. Please document it if you ever use GH/MGF/IGF/IGF-LR3.
>>37529358
I see.
Now im confused though, im pretty sure 150mg is average natty levels. (whatever, doesnt matter).
Now would you say my approach would work?
So higher end natty test levels >>no hairloss, but also not too much gains
and high nandrolone to compensate for it >> good gains, no hairloss.
or is nandrolone a shitty compound anyways?
I just want to keep my hair lol. The second i lose my hair i can say bye bye to female interaction.
I dont have the face or the head shape to shave that shit off.
>>37529377
Pretty much every compound you listed I have no intention of running lol. Gh secretagogues are good enough for me.
Ipam/modgrf ended up giving me gnarly jaw pumps. I couldn't even finish a bag of skittles. Bagels and steak were brutal too. I'm almost positive my gh and igf was through the roof on peps. I stopped lifting for a while (like what I'm doing now). Hardly anything was lost and I just ended up leaner.
I know what I'm saying sounds far fetched but it goes with what gh15 has said. Igf and gh is everything.
>>37529429
People here say it is, but people here also say 300mg only puts you at top end natural levels. 100mg/wk is enough to put most people at the high end of natural. TRT in some areas is 150mg every 2 weeks, even though it's a flawed science it still gives the correct effect.
Nandrolone is fine. Look around, there are other drugs that won't hurt your hair as well. But do more research,
>>37529429
If you want to keep your hair just stay off the roids lol
>>37529446
It really is everything, though. I need to get my hands on some peps again, but they're so expensive here. Even ibutamoren has gotten scarce. For the mean time I'm just keeping tren in the mix.
>>37529446
beautiful quads breh.
I am eating at +500 on tren, 50% protein under 50g of fat and the rest carbs.
Should I lower the protein and up the carbs? 2.5g per lb of bodyweight seems excessive
why is eq so expensive? 300mg/ml vial is 96$
>>37529514
Why do you even care about that shit?
Just stay at a surplus with lotsa protein so you dont waste any of your roid gains
>>37529429
>>37529448
100mg is peak natty test production for most of the population. 300mg always puts me over 1500 or whatever the top range of the test is.
>>37529564
I feel worse with less carbs and since tren burns excess carbs, I thought higher carbs might be better if 2.5g/lb protein is pointlessly high
>>37529470
Bro aus is fucked. You need to be ballin to be buildin.
In your shoes I'd never take tren out. It's the cheapest and easiest way to boost igf. Even a low dose does this more effectively than any other hormone.
>>37529476
Ideal AF
https://www.instagram.com/misstaylerrose/
>>37529550
You best be in Australia if you're paying that.
How much do you ausfags pay for hcg?
>>37529589
northern europe but it is from a great UGL, but I will try some other 250mg/ml for 60$ but it is from some homebrew guy
people that have used deca
How much did you run?
How much caber did you need?
What should i run for my first cycle?
I am in doubt whether i should go with test E and dbol or EQ with a test E base.
>>37529688
test e + dbol + gyno surgery best first blast
>>37529573
damn stephanie is fucking god tier
>>37529221
>Same thing. Run low test and something that won't hurt your hairline. If you start losing your hair from that, shave that fucking thing.
hmm hadn;t thought of this. was going to do an oral only cycle of tbol (heresy I know) because keeping my hair is more important than getting huge. but if i can get the great mood benefits of test without the sides, then get the gains from tbol that would be perfect
>>37529688
I'm gonna start roiding this fall. I will do test base and eq, seems like it will less sides that way
is this achievable natty?
>>37529639
This. Im sitting on three vials of tren but do not wanna take caber or prami. I heard rumours that if u keep estro low lactation would not be a problem.
>>37529699
>tbol
who got cash for that
>>37529696
no him but kek
why the gyno though
How the fuck do you deal with caffeine addiction? I just came off of dnp + psmf and it's finally out of my system, but I was fucking consuming literally upwards of 2 grams of caffeine a day to combat the lethargy, and now I am completely addicted and can't keep my fucking eyes open or move without it.
>>37529706
Source?.... nocuck.
>>37529712
>I heard rumours that if u keep estro low lactation would not be a problem
yeah me to but I'm still gonna get some caber just in case I screw up somehow
>>37529706
yes
>>37529715
see pic
>>37529706
Mast put your trip back on.
>>37529589
>Ideal AF
Oh mein gott.
>>37529696
Hence i am drawn to the EQ cycle, less aromatizing and hopefully no gyno
>>37529715
cuz it's always nice to see dudebros who are 20% bf start roiding without cutting first and get gyno from dball
>>37529714
its cheap in UK. just buy it legally online too
>>37529726
Strong gyno gains
>>37529718
>2 grams of caffeine
pretty sure thats a lethal dose
>>37529740
>UK
hmm, I've bought mk-677 which is illegal where I live from uk so might try to make big order of tbol
>>37529755
not at once over the course of the whole day
>>37529725
Sabrina Banks and Jillian Janson
>>37529718
Just quit it cold turkey
Will take about 1-2 weeks
How much tren 1st tren cycle
>>37529779
don't be a fucking pussy do at least 500mg
>>37529785
Would u even need prami at a dose like that or could i get away with using b6
>>37529795
i heard prami has wayyy worse sides than caber, so i have caber and not prami. I don't remember the specifics but it was a general consensus that caber was recommended over prami.
but it is recommended to only keep it on hand INCASE you experience prolactin sides, and not just take it off the bat. I haven't fucking lactated yet or gotten tren dick ever, so my caber is just sitting there.
treat it the same as AI though, you ALWAYS want it on hand just in case. imagine your tits start lactating and you don't have caber on hand.
>>37529828
Lol i would make my girlfriend drink my manmilk for strength gains
>>37529224
> flushing out "stuck" DHT
lol
just fucking lol
>>37529726
That there is them mini titties
>>37529934
>Broscience
It starts with an ounce of science and absolutely no understanding of a single word you just read.
In for I just pinned hcg in stomach fat and wow I wasn't expecting that kind of burn.
>>37529934
Its fucking true faggot.
There is a reason why the temples and the back of your head NEVER go bald.
Its because these areas are covered with scalp muscles that are constantly used throughout our life.
The back of your head stays full of hair because of your neck muscles.
The temples because chewing contracts the muscles located at the temple.
But the crown and your front hairline always get fucked, which are also areas with scalp muscles that are barely barely used throughout our life, with the frontalis muscle that is, getting thin and weak -> no bloodflow.
Do you think that is coincidence faggot?
The DHT flushing part might not be 100% true, but the bloodflow plays a major role for hairloss.
>>37530038
no kidding
heres a fantastic idea. make sure you sleep upside down every night, preferably suspended by your legs, to ensure maximum blood flow to the scalp to force the movement of DOCKED DHT
>>37530062
you're a fucking moron
but go ahead and dig your fingers into your scalp while you continue to bald slowly but surely.
You'll be on to another broscience theory in a couple of months when that doesnt work out.
>>37530104
Sleeping upside down is great for stress and mental clarity.
Though the blood flow might be good for your hair, idk
>>37530062
Improving blood flow helps to fix hairloss but you have absolutely no idea why kek.
Is this a meme I've missed out on or something?
>>37530104
>Sometimes I massage my quads so they don't hog all the tren
>>37530132
What are you talking about your face is turning red because its got tomato nutrients flowing through it
So my last tren A bottle had way less than what I expected, I wont have enough for my last 2 pins.
But I still have just enough test E for those last 2 pins, should I just finish my cycle now or keep going?
I guess it shouldnt matter that much, but i dont know senpai
>>37530062
Holy shit the hairlet rage is real.
Avoid tren bro, at all costs.
>>37530195
>not wanting tomatoes flowing through your head
>>37530195
Or you could just not do steroids and not face early hair loss.
>>37530196
Others will probably correct me but I think running test alone closer to natty levels while the tren clears would make PCT less abrasive
>>37530215
It's no good unless you drink apple cider vinegar. Vinegar activates tomatoes. Why do you think vinegar is in salad dressing?
>>37530264
Or you know... I can just keep roiding because I know how to keep my hair.
>>37530323
>vinegar in salad dressing
Nice conspiracy theory m8
>>37528571
I've just been shaving it all off since I started working.
>>37530104
not him, but what do you think helps for hairloss then? apart from shit like minox and finas
>>37529718
1g tyrosine with 100mg 5htp 3x a day
>>37530390
the actual cutting edge research points towards prostaglandins as being the downstream causative effect
the short and skinny of it, is you need to somehow block the action, or lower the amount of PGD2 in the scalp. That would halt the hair loss dead in its tracks.
Beyond that, for actual regrowth to take place, you need to increase the amount of PGE2 in the scalp, and then find a way to stimulate follicle neogenesis. The cheapest way of doing that is controlled wounding - basically causing small wound channels that pull the trigger on the various growth factors the body will produce in response.
a guy going by the handle swisstemples documented all this on his website, and hes the only person I know of who has ever shown legitimate regrowth without resorting to straight up injecting estrogen. (yes, some hair loss victims are so mentally ill they will do this)
Swiss got run off of reddit because they found out he was a racist (lol who gives a shit).
as far as other stuff, cb-03-01 looks about as good as it gets with anti-androgens, being an ideal drug in that category (strictly local effect, no systematic absorption) . Again, cost and procurement of the real thing is an issue since its not on market yet.
I dont have a lot of time for hair loss forum members. My experience has been they are obnoxious, stupid and very, very bitter. And thats the normal ones. Regarding the weird ones, the less said the better.
Good low dose cycle for a female?
>>37530611
var.
i've heard good things about low test and npp as well
CHAD eats PIZZA while you inject STEROIDS but still you FAIL to look as GOOD as him because you have INFERIOR genetics
>>37530581
Well my aim is to regrow my hair, to move my hairline forwards.
You say i need to increase the PGE2 in the scalp. Is there any natty way of doing so?
>then find a way to stimulate follicle neogenesis. The cheapest way of doing that is controlled wounding
Dermaroller jumped right into my mind when i read that. So my question is, would a derma roller do the job?
Like rolling the dermaroller on your scalp every week?
Yes lol, people who suffer from hairloss are very bitter. It sucks hard, exspecially if you are still young.
>>37529755
lol kid, the lethal dose is almost 8g
So I'm extremely prone to gyno I know it runs in the family and as a test i ran 10mg a day of dbol and sure enough I got gyno around day 5 however it was reversed easily with a few weeks of nolva, my question is is there any way to use roids without getting gyno (nolva ed on cycle AI etc) or am I doomed to stay forever natty?
>>37530797
maybe you should try to find out what causes gyno fucktard
>>37530726
>Implying the human body completely rejects pizza and makes you vomit once you reach a certain level of aesthetic, unless you have CHAD genes
>>37530811
I'm fully aware that aromatising test causes it however I'm asking if anyone has the same issue and has tried using an AI or SERM on cycle and if it prevented gyno while still getting good gains.
>>37530855
take an AI to lower your estro to avoid gyno
Is 20 to soon to try HGH? Lifting 3 years
>>37530883
more like is it worth the money?
Got fucked up yesterday and didn't get a chance to reply to you guys about big clits and transdermals. Sowwy :(
>>37529111
Jerrjerrbears.
Finasteride doesn't kill your dick. Hypochondriacs even say saw palmetto killed their dick, doesn't mean it's true. There was a change in their life, that's why they went on the Finasteride in the first place. Hair loss is essentially a marker of underlying disease.
If you're that concerned; 10 mg Anavar should act as a DHT alternative and prevent dick issues. Otherwise, Finasteride on a Test-E cycle shouldn't be a problem either.
>>37529180
>>37529224
There's studies showing that the heat retained by new beard hair is equivalent to the heat lost due to MPB. If your beard is shit like mine, your hair loss is probably not androgenic alopecia. Unless neck hair counts..
>>37529224
> DHT is THE 1# major cause for hairloss
Nope. Men with hair loss have less DHT, more Estrogen. It's more so an underlying problem increases aromatase and reductase activity leading to a dysregulation of DHT metabolism.
> If you inject 3x natty levels, you will have 3x more DHT in your body.
Not necessarily. An old study I can't find injected young men with 600X natty levels. DHT and Estrogen remained about the same. No side effects aside from lots of teenage pussy.
>no shampooing
Head & Shoulders prevents hair loss a bit. As does Selsun Blue and some other shampoos. I know a lot of people who swear by using Tea Tree Oil instead of shampoo. Cod Liver Oil as a 'shampoo' should also be effective.
Here's a nice list of many things that help prevent hair loss...
> swisstemples.com/what-to-buy-and-use/
Then you can use caber to bring Prolactin into normal range. Normalize thyroid. MK-677 should help greatly. Shitloads of Zinc and Vitamin C, in fact we should just bathe in Zinc+Magnesium, absorb it transdermally.
If you can afford it, topical PGE-1 and insulin [via pulse current iontophoresis?] will restore hair 100%.
Anything above 200mg of test a week and the back acne starts full force. Estro is in range too. Any recommendations? I have accutane on hand. Though I already feel like a science experiment with all the pills I'm taking. Whatever. What dose everyday?
>>37530741
that was part of swiss's protocol yes, 1.5mm once a week. Although to my understanding, he personally uses a dermastamp, which is probably a lot more comfortable and produces cleaner wounds.
> You say i need to increase the PGE2 in the scalp. Is there any natty way of doing so?
supposedly rosemary extract increases PGE2, although i have no idea what the pharmacokinetics of rosemary extract is.
The hands down most effective way would just be to get real PGE2.
swisstemples.com is his website, almost any question you have has probably already been better addressed by him.
> Yes lol, people who suffer from hairloss are very bitter. It sucks hard, exspecially if you are still young.
I started losing my hair 3 years ago. Its really not that bad, as soon i saw significant loss i just shaved that shit off. (yes, before you ask, i still get laid because im not an autismo who thinks everything needs to be perfect before you even dare tell a girl you want to fuck her just lol)
I only keep an eye on the hair loss world now in case a decent treatment comes to market. but otherwise i'm not spending a dime on the shit drugs that are currently on the market or the scam that is hair transplants.
>>37530581
Do you think this is legit?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2217315/pg1?disclaimer=1
>>37530931
if you know that much about hairloss treatment, why didnt you manage to get your hair back?
It seems like you know your shit.
Its not like this is impossible. There are a lot of people who got their hair back without finas or shit
>>37530983
no.
I'm getting deja vu though.
>>37530931
Do you know how long the derma stamp needs to be?
I would think 0.5mm needles should be enough.
1.5mm is kinda overkill and i heard that shit can seriously damage your skin.
i'll check out his website though, thanks
>>37531019
Why no?
Why would he make this entire post?
Why would he lie about it?
Hes not selling anything.
I just dont see why this shouldnt be legit.
>>37530898
> topical PGE-2* will regrow hair
Always mixing those up. Bimatoprost/travoprost will work too but you'd be using at least a bottle a day, that's over $600/month from Indian pharma.
Insulin works too but getting it through the skin is an issue. You can use iontophoresis but good luck getting a suitable device. There was a detailed patent that described mixing insulin with some carrier and using rubbing the scalp with a Q-tip but I can't find it.
>>37530741
>>37530931
The mechanism of hair loss is increased PGD2 and a lack of PGE2 to counter it. It's not the cause, it's just how it happens. Basically, mast cells destabilize and start spilling out PGD2, 'clogging' the follicles and shutting them down. PGD2 is more of an anti-PGE2, thus one wonders if more PGE2 will beget more PGD2. I suppose if you combined PGE2 with a diet lacking Omega-6 PUFAs, it would work regardless.
This is why asthma medications (mast cell stabilizers) can also prevent hair loss.
I'am so happy i will never go bald. Hearing you rattle about balding, reminds me of JM.
>>37531018
i wasnt downplaying it - it literally does not bother me that much. It has had negligible effect on my life.
Its like this, if there was a cheap affordable treatment with a decent safety/side effect profile, that had good results, i would jump on it.
until that day comes, i won't waste money on it. I'm confident swiss's protocol works, but the drugs involved are mostly not cheap, and a real bitch to make sure you're getting the real stuff and not some chinese scam artist.
>>37531028
no idea mate.
>>37531045
what is the role of pgf2a in all of this?
>>37531054
RELIGION
OF
PEACE
>>37531054
Did you finally got the job?
Kali muscle comes with muscle bands. PPL routine BTFO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S0bOa27N2U
>>37531226
Will probably hear from them soon(next week). They first contact my reference
>>37531054
You're lying to yourself
What are the chances of me going bald?
>>37531259
100% if you're not dead by 80 years old.
>>37531259
Probably 40% without any other info. Look at your mom's father and her brothers. If they're bald, you're fucked.
>>37531268
I mean on test E
>>37531274
I know. I was memeing you.
>>37531271
My hair started balding a little bit, but nothing too serious.
so if I start Test E, it's guaranteed to increase in speed by a lot?
>>37531259
0% if you had my superior genetics
>>37531253
I'am a pathological liar, what did you exspecto senior
>>37531274
Steroids will Hasten the process if you're prone to it. If you're not prone, it probably won't do shit.
>>37529639
bump
>1.5g of gear a week
>train 1.5 hrs x4 a week and a medium activity job
>at least 200g protein a day
> 185lbs 5'9
>2700 calories average
>look like shit, way too much bodyfat and not improving
At first I'd say the gear is shit, but considering the amount of pharma caber/ai I need, that is not the case.
>>37531295
hasten how much? I mean, if i'm prone to it, is it guaranteed to hasten?
>>37531314
You need to put on a lot more mass
>>37531323
Depends on your dosage. Practically every heavy user becomes straight cueball before 40. So, understand what you're getting into.
>>37531314
he felt for up the dose meme
>>37531314
Not nearly enough gym time or food
> spend years cohabiting with a Russian girl
> go insane, lose her and everything else
> love her for 3 years afterwards, no girls during this time
> start dating again, best sex of my life, thinking I'm over the Russian girl
> missing only her again, dreaming of her constantly
> she graduated and has had no online presence since, no contact
>>37531105
It acts like PGE2.
> ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3982925
> swisstemples.com
> Why PGE2 above PGF2a? Because PGE2 is even strong enough to protect hair from radiotherapy. And if that's not enough for you, it actually turns into PGF2a afterwards. People have been experimenting with Bimatoprost in the past but since it's both weaker and more expensive it makes little sense to use it over real PGE2. Especially when PGE2 gives you the benefit of both.
>>37531331
Nigga I need to lose 15lbs before I think of adding any shit.
I'm at like 18% with pretty awful fat distribution. Just loosing the lovehandles would make me the happiest man in the world, but that shit ain't gonna go till 8% cause lolgenetics.
>meanwhile there are fat fucks who stores fat in front so they just suck it in and would look great if they had muscles and no one would be the wiser as long as clothed.
>>37531342
500 mg/week, just wanna do one 12 week cycle.
>>37531348
I need to go on a significant cut before thinking of gaining any more weight.
>>37531380
Your gonna be surprised about your temple recession about 5 weeks into your cycle. And it's never one cycle. Once you start, you won't want to stop. Just FYI.
>>37531350
thats pretty common bro, but you're probably retroactively building her up in your head to something more than she was.
I had the same thing with a girl just after high school, but the difference was i did meet up with her a few years later and dated with her briefly again. What happened? I realized the reality did not meet the fantasy that was in my head and i was forgetting the shit about her that i didnt really like. Ended it soon after.
and therein lies the danger of idealization. You'll meet another girl you like just as much if not more.
>>37531384
>>37531367
Sounds like you shouldn't be on drugs at all, desu. Cut down to 10-12% and then hop back on.
>>37531397
>Your gonna be surprised about your temple recession about 5 weeks into your cycle
that bad? :(
do DHT's like masteron make you balls smaller than test?
they almost look like raisins. I can remember this was also the case when i used mast for the first time. Never had it with test, not even at higher dosis
>>37531412
I had this sort of experience with masteron and Tren. Barely had shrinkage with test.
>>37531401
I really like test base with eq but want to try deca with it too, any suggestions?
>>37531421
That could be a good indicator it is mast, since i don;t know for sure if it's the real. Will notice probably the next week
Do you know why mast makes you balls smaller than test?
>>37531440
you want to try test base with deca or eq with deca?
I dont like testosterone so that about narrows down what my suggestion is going to be lol.
>>37531464
eq with deca, like eq too much to drop it
>>37531479
sure give it a try. Id start low with the deca.
kek nobody in the golden era was balding, while being on all kinds of gear
mirin
>>37531406
I need all the help I can get.
gimping and crashing my hormones/metabolism/muscle building/nutrition partitioning now would make the cut tremendously harder and less effective.
fuck FL is looking human now props to him
I haven't posted here in a while. landed a sick job in corporate comms at a very high profile media giant so life is going great right now hope u guys are well
>>37531539
how come?
If I were to go on a 5 or 600 test + 350 npp a week blast for 30 weeks, and I had an analdrol jumpstart the first 6 weeks, would I be able to keep the analdrol gains throughout the blast and the following cruise? Assume relatively clean diet , 1000kcal surplus bulk (I have an active job and do cardio every morning).
>>37531555
superior genetics
nice trips
>>37531564
What are trips?
>>37531573
you, ya tripfag
>>37531555
because, after that the cancer started. sm.h
fucking balding pieces of shit. They should create a new apartheid for balding people and non-balding people. I don't wanna be in the same room with balding people. Scum of the earth
>>37531596
tell me the secret mast
how do I become superior muscleman met haar
can't lose this blonde fur nomsayin
>>37531596
That would have ended in an endless shitstorm conversations if JM would still be alive.
>>37528440
I have irreversible NAFLD from childhood obesity. Would gear phuck my shit up?
>>37529193
that mma nigger just died because unproper use of nandrolone
>>37531616
I'am trying to summon our master. I can sense his presence
All that hair. They probably used some kind of secret steroid, that didn't cause hair loss. shittt
>>37531610
go back in time and ask them. Or just kill yourself and hope you will reincarnate as me
>>37531239
best i can do
>FL
He's still aroudn? I haven't been on a fraud thread in a few years and last I heard he was booked into rehab or got vanned ro some shit.
fuq man i bought 2 vials of test e and i found out im going to basic training sooner than i thought. should i just sell these things or stash them?
>>37531708
Stop worrying about other man, tampon boi
>>37531767
lmao. comedy gold. Who's created this epicness. kek
>>37531654
fucking hell bro in the back looking like a proper greek statue
>>37531831
>greek
italian renaissance*
>>37531831
How is it possible that arnold(arcording to stories) was poppin dbol like peppermints, but was never bloated nor had any gyno in his bb career.
Franco had gyno, but almost nobody had gyno by that time.
no balding, no gyno, no acne. WHAT happend in the golden era
>>37531896
There were probably a shittone of steroid side people with all kinds of gross sides but you only hear from the gifted ones who made it. Lucky guess
>>37531790
Rehab, or vanned, huh?
>>37531914
Could be. I think that this fella had one of the best genetics by that time.
I would even date a 16 year old and quit watching interracial porn for those genetics. MIRIN HARD
>>37531896
Drugs were better quality and potency. They were using pharmaceutical grade gear.
>>37531977
Nope.
>>37531977
yeah brah more potent drugs will give less sides
>>37531961
Holy shit I wish I knew what this guy did for delts.
>>37531896
notice how the stories about arnolds dbol habits are steroid (retard) forum mythology and not actually corroborated by anybody who knew arnold?
most of the actual pros who have talked about what they used in that era have been pretty explicit and yet everyone keeps refusing to believe them (they know better of course)
they really didnt use that much. Ric Drasin talks about 15mg/day dbol ALONE being quite a common cycle. Nandrolone use seemed far more commonplace than testosterone. Primobolan was popular and quite available at the time.
Nowadays we've got legions of morons who are skinnyfat 150lbers and they are running multiple compounds and totalling near a gram (or more, as is increasingly the case) a week on their 2nd cycle. Just imagine, these are the same people who nod their head when jason blaha opens his insane mouth, or when bostin loyd talks about using 13 grams of gear, but call Lee Priest a liar when he talks about using dosages under 700mg/week total as a fully developed pro.
>>37532012
so whats the difference, between golden era and todays skinnyfatism?
>>37532068
lol?
>>37532068
did the golden agers train harder or why do cheating skinnyfats look like shit?
>>37532068
Golden era bodybuilders weren't too lazy to put in an insane amount of work and volume. Today the average gym rat just ups the dose.
>>37531896
>no balding, no gyno, no acne. WHAT happend in the golden era
Lean fellas. Clean diet. Cardio.
The golden age bodybuilder is different from today. Guys today are extremes. Back in the day people didn't let their bodyfat get too high in the offseason. Their contest conditioning wasn't nearly as lean and dry as today. In addition they ate a diet that made it incredibly easy to stay lean. Low/no carb on weekdays and refeeds on weekends. They were also very active people. Always out and about doing things. They'd either walk or ride a bike everywhere.
>>37532005
Would that even make a difference then? Remarakble how normies always ask for a routine, when they see a physique that they desire.
>>37532012
Arnold was stating he only used steroids just before the show. kek. Just like every other bodybuilder like Lee Priest etc. We will never know exactly. Would you believe that?
Only thing we know it that they were gifted, which is more important that gear use
lmao that last paragraph. Sad but 100% true.
>>37532100
tfw that's the life i desire.
>live in swedecuckistan
>fantasize about moving to minnesota after uni
>watch video on minneapolis
>comments say that it is somalian breeding grounds now
I truly can't escape this, I am cursed
is there any geographically similar state that is urban but still has good nature and actually have snow on the winter that is free from islam
>>37532165
You picked a shitty state.
Move to Colorado
>>37532264
Coach for the love my throbbing test infused cock who is this semen demon
>>37532264
Lel, Colorado sucks breh.
>>37532264
Sauce? Google turned up nothing.
>>37532303
Not a clue.
>>37532264
How fucking big is her clit
>>37532305
Compared to other states they're doing very good. The whole north east despite having the best cities and being wealthy is in the shitter. There are no jobs for college grads. The jobs are out west and down south.
Colorado is a more active state as well. No surprise it's a strongman bodybuilding powerlifting and crossfit mecca.
Long story short do your research into the state swede brah it's definitely a top 10 maybe even top 5 USA state.
>>37532344
Not big enough for mossad.
>>37532165
How do you expect to move to USA anyway? It's not like moving to another EU country.
>>37532344
Virgin detected
>>37532480
You got me
> just signed up to pick up heavy things and put them back down for UPS
> applying for this job was one of the most pleasant chores of my life
> interview scheduled in 2 days automatically, they even tell you what to wear
Wow. Are there actually jobs available now?
>>37531539
Yeah, I've been pondering this. Pic related.
Premature hair loss is essentially the male homologue of PCOS. What's causing that? Dioxins? Phthalates? Stress? Our shitty diets during puberty?
>>37531401
Thanks for the hope, brah.
>>37531421
Balls are huge and I cum buckets on high dose Tren, just saying.
>>37531579
Namefag technically.
Can I take DNP alongside Test E (200mg weekly)?
>>37532522
yes
>>37532512
Well he was tripfagging, technically.
>>37532522
I am
Nothin negative to report, besides aweful reflux on 500+ dnp a day
>>37532532
Ah, yeah, you're right. I'm drunk.
>>37532522
I've taken a gram of DNP alongside a gram of Tren and plenty of wine on amphetamines. You should not do that, but hopefully this will serve to nullify your placebo symptoms.
I suspect the people who actually died from DNP were actually committing suicide. Obviously, you dose based on body mass, a 90 lb girl taking a gram of DNP is a very bad idea. But still, she'll survive that first dose, and it'll be such hell that it'd be obvious that she overdosed and what girl has the willpower to sustain that torture. Does anyone actually pop 2 g of DNP first off out of ignorance? Only if they're knowingly and actually trying to kill themselves.
>cycling is a waste of time, we blast and cruise
...but doesn't that lead to long term shutdown of natural test creation?
Isn't that why you cycle off for a while, to make sure you don't stop producing naturally?
>>37532649
>tfw got tingly feet on only 400mg
it has been a day and somehow it is almost gone
My diets going well and am sitting fat at ~8%, but my cut has stalled hard. I don't want to go too far below my TDEE, so I was thinking of using a cutting agent
Would clen or DNP be better? Or anything else for that matter
>>37532704
Do you seriously need to go lower than 8%?
DNP is best, but make sure you learn a lot about it and respect it.
>>37530898
>>37531045
>>37531350
Thanks for the output mossad.
Did you regrow your hair actually btw?
Anyways, the thing is, you said "halter hairloss" several times.
Problem is, i have already done that. I have already stopped my hairloss. My hairline hasnt moved an inch since i started treating my hair. In fact it is more dense than it was 2 years ago.
What I want to know is how i can trigger my body to grow hair on my balding spots.
I only have widow peaks if that matters at all.
I've already understood derma rolling should help with new growth.
But i doubt that alone is enough.
Is it possible to boost test to reasonably high levels through diet alone? I already suspect my natural test levels are pretty high but I've never been tested. Asking as a natty with no judgement of /frauds/.
>>37532649
Most I ever did was 800 for a week straight after working up to it, was absolute hell, was sleeping on tile floor with towel as a pillow, drinking like 2lt of water an hour waking up in puddles, had to up salt intake as I was cramping so bad, and weirdest of all for like 2 weeks after I came off I lost the ability to 'feel' thirsty so I had to make a conscious effort to drink water
>>37532913
I dont think diet will play a huge role on this.
There are several ways to boost test
>8 hours of sleep. Not 6 hours, not 7 hours. 8 motherfucker
>cold showers
>lifting obviously
>all men with low test are deficient in Vitamin D
>having a gf/fucking sloots
>good posture
>NoFap ( or rather: " Not more than once every 2 weeks)
one of these things alone doesnt do shit (except the sleep) but all of them combined on a regular and/or daily basis and you will be pretty high test.
Do any fraudsters have experience with CJC 1295 DAC and Frag 176 191
I'm 20 and following the advice not to start frauding until later. In the meantime I want to start doing something. Trying to get BF low for starters, and maybe use ostarine to start my path to not natty.
From what I understand these peps take a long time to start showing good effects but I want to use them to get used to the idea of pinning. Are the pinned in sub q or intramuscullarly. Also will they just be a waste of time and money?
>>37530797
>So I'm extremely prone to gyno I know it runs in the family
fat family?
>>37533041
start tren now faggot no reason to w8
>>37533062
Another issue is that growing up I was prone to cystic acne on my back and shoulders and even 2 or 3 on my face. So I'm hoping with time the rush of having an intense flare will drop
>>37533091
*risk of flare up
>>37533091
>>37533124
do 150mg test 400mg eq
>>37533052
Father was a roider got gyno had to have surgery
>>37532400
>There are no jobs for college grads.
>>37533034
That feel when night shift makes me low test
Will a 27g needle hurt?
I fucking hate needles I'm such a pussy please send help
>>37533313
I use a 23g needle and it doesn't hurt, unless I do something wrong. I barely feel it.
Either way, you'll be pinning for ages trying to get the gear out of that needle.
>>37533313
18G Is fine I'm sure
>>37533313
That face is saved for when you realise 7g Is 4.5mm, ouch.
What age would would I start noticing male pattern baldness by?
My mothers father "has" it, but it really only started when he was 65 years old or so I am pretty sure.
My dad does not have any hair loss at all and he's 57.
I'm 19 been on gear for 4 months and I have 0 hair loss so far. I always run my fingers and shit through it out of paranoia and 0 pieces are ever falling out.
>>37533238
>he fell for the jobs exist meme
>>37533313
Use slin pins
>>37533313
Have fun pushing oil through 27g better take the day off that might take a while
>>37533410
doesn't work like chemo bro. it'll get thinner, maybe your hairline from you forehead escapes further back, and then it's just gone with little to no warning
>>37532928
>was absolute hell, was sleeping on tile floor with towel as a pillow
tfw
>>37533332
>>37533444
b-but the pastebin says 27g is fine for injecting
Please don't tell me I need to go larger
please I'm scared of a 27g enough already, will the stuff really not come out, or take hours or something?
>>37533414
>tfw you chose a career that means you can get a job literally anywhere
RIP Orlando fags.
>>37533469
I use 21g. you will only feel it the few first times. take some topical anesthesia cream or pain killers an hour before.
27g is small. try it, but personally, I feel it's less painful with a 23 or 21.
>>37533477
>tfw I majored in feminist studies for nothing
>>37533480
Real, shit fucked.
>>37532512
You tell me breh. You're the expert.
What do you do for a living? Are you a student?
>>37533410
I know ppl who are 70 and still have full thick head hair.
>>37533469
wow fucking faggot stop being a fucking pussy how can you want to hop on gear and be such a fucking bitch?
>>37533539
I lift hard I just fucking hate needles and stings god damn it
>>37533643
what work
>>37533414
They exist. Grads just need to be willing to move around. You can't stay stagnant.
>>37533523
Yes, continue the vicious cycle. Lead more women down your path of being a lonely college professor.
>>37533643
Feminist studies didn't even get me a gf!!
The whole systems breaking down!
How bad of an idea is my first blast of 500mg/wk test during a PSMF at about 21% body fat? Currently on TRT of 100mg/wk, intend to blast and PSMF for at least 20 weeks or until I feel like I can comfortability start considering bulking up. Been lifting for 2 and a half years.
>>37533313
i use a 21g and never had any problems. 23g is too small for my glutes i think
Ayy
>>37533477
>tfw too stupid for a decent career
