is veganism a meme or is it actually bad (health/longevity wise, fuck morals) to eat meat?
veganism (no red meat, no fish, no eggs, no diary) is fucking retarded and you basically depend on supplements to be healthy. I bet supplement companies love to shill the ideology.
kek
>>37525364
what makes you say that? sounds like you're just a jelly poorfag
Red meat isn't very good for you. Apparently that's more processed red meat though?
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/121/21/2271.abstract
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/processed-meats-unprocessed-heart-disease-diabetes/
It's also carcinogenic which obviously isn't good. I think chicken can be pretty healthy if you cook it right, and fish is probably the healthiest kind of meat unless you're eating tons of higher food chain stuff like tuna where you have to worry about mercury.
>>37525398
Windows 10
>>37525321
Yes, meat eaters live less, it has been scientifically proven and measured.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19166134
>https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/vegetarian-diets-linked-lower-mortality
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12936945
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/
The vegan diet is invariably the most healthy one. The more you restrict meats, the better.
>>37525463
>The more you restrict meats, the better.
Bit of a stretch. Vegetarians and vegans are in general going to be more conscientious about what they eat, but that doesn't imply all meat = instant death.
>>37525364
Like 90% of B12 supplements are given to cattle. You don't need any other supplement.
>>37525481
>I didn't read a single link, yet I feel the need to reply with a fallacious hyperbole
Yes, sure, eating some chicken != instant death, FFS. No one implied this ever.
>>37525460
what's wrong with windows 10
>>37525463
What's the point of living longer if you're just going to be a huge faggot the entire time?
>>37525463
>The vegan diet is invariably the most healthy one. The more you restrict meats, the better.
Not necessarily. I'm a vegetarian and there are days where I have to work to hit my protein goals esp if I don't have access to a fridge or forget to buy cottage cheese/eggs/yogurt. Vegan lifters have to worry about protein even more than vegetarians do because your body doesn't process plant proteins as well.
I'd agree that vegetarianism/veganism can be pretty healthy IF you are still eating the right macros, though.
>>37525503
>The more you restrict meats, the better
Fuck you.
>>37525364
80% of omnivores are B12 deficient.
Vegetarians are aware that the "standard western diet" does not provide enough b12 (because of how food and hygiene are addressed nowadays) and they drink fortified activated almonds milk or b12 supplements.
>>37525521
I can get 120g proteins/day effortlessly without resorting to greek yogurt or cheese. No GMO soy and the like.
>>37525526
Truth hurts.
>>37525551
>fortified activated almonds milk
You blew your cover.
>>37525551
what are your main protein sources?
>>37525594
Clearly dudeloads and bullshit.
>>37525608
and yours are rotting flesh and cancer
>>37525594
legumes, nuts & wholegrains.
>>37525635
when cutting how do you maintain low carb, high protein ratio?
>>37525625
>rotting flesh
Yes, I am an omnivore.
>cancer
Low family incidence aside from the odd melanoma or lung cancer in the smokers. Live long enough and we'll all get it.
You enjoy your moral superiority, I'll enjoy my balanced, flavorful diet.
>>37525551
>No GMO
C'mon dog I thought 4chan was above this.
>>37525648
High carb low fat masterrace
>>37525659
great, i will do the same
>>37525668
Cheers
I've been trying a vegetarian diet recently.
I've not seen one thing to suggest plant protein is "inferior." Yes, many plant proteins have an incomplete amino acid profile, but this is resolved using multiple food sources.
As far as B12 goes, though, I don't know whats up with that.
>>37525664
How do you produce enough T on a low fat diet?
>>37525648
I don't care about low carbs that much. 100% of my carbs come from unrefined or "whole" sources. When I cut I just count calories. My macros on a cut are 40~45% carbs, 25~30% proteins, 25~30% (non-trans) fats
Being vegans pre easy.
Usually have 4 pancakes in the morning with maple syrup.
Then before my workout I eat Green Veggies, Tofu, Brown rice with any sauce of my choice.
I usually have pasta's for dinner and then I snack throughout the day on smoothies, fruit and vegan snacks.
I take creatine, whey protein and a mens multivitamin (just to be safe). supplementing b12 is a meme also, only if youre b12 deficient you should be taking it.
Also in 8 months I've gained around 10-14 kg lean mass and I also get to eat pizza on the regular and not have to worry about it.
>>37525815
>Being vegan
>whey protein
ayyyy
>>37525687
>I've not seen one thing to suggest plant protein is "inferior."
There are a few links in the sticky that discuss it.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/what-are-good-sources-of-protein-introduction.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17413102
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17684208
Plant sources of protein generally are less digestible, for one thing. The latter two seem to also show that your gains are better from milk protein compared to soy protein.
>>37525825
there are vegan whey proteins
>>37525825
>>37525860
Also, most whey proteins are vegan/vegetarian.
>>37525551
Post body please
No gooby am a vegan myself
>>37525321
Veganism is unhealthy but most vegans don't do it for health reasons.
>>37525815
>whey protein
>pizza
Whey protein is not vegan ya fucking knob. And in all likelihood unless you're making the pizza with the fake cheeses you can get, neither is the pizza. wtf.
>>37525869
>whey proteins are vegan
No, they're vegetarian. Whey is derived from milk.
>>37525860
Please explain how in FUCK milk-derived whey protein and pea protein are the same and how the former is vegan.
Alon Gabbay, now vegan.
He must be protein deficient.
>>37525877
...a lot of pizza is vegan. I'm not vegan but I hate cheese and there's plenty of cheeseless pizzas. You don't need to substitute.
>>37525887
>anything besides the steroids actually matter when you're on steroids
top lmao, he could be on a diet of wonderbread only and look good with his insertions and some chemical assistance
>>37525869
Whey isn't vegan
>>37525875
How is it unhealthy? Strictly health speaking, apart from the lack of certain vitamins that the body traditionally gets from meat sources, there's literally no downside and arguably a lot of upsides.
I think no one will argue against the convenience and ease of building muscle on a carnivorous diet, it's not really disputed that meat and egg protein has a higher biological value and hence far more effective for stimulating hypertrophy.
But in terms of health, I've never really seen any genuine upsides to eating meat. Then again you do correctly mention that most vegans don't do it for health reasons, for me personally the health reasons are second nature.
>>37525895
>but I hate cheese
how
>>37525321
Any extreme is bad. Too much meat can be bad and restricting yourself to a strict vegan diet can be bad.
Read a book on human nutrition and find a balance.
>>37525815
Are steroids necessary to get big on vegan diet? Cuz the dude in that pic is 100% on roids which kinda detracts from the message.
>>37525962
And weaker than drug-tested guys two and three weightclasses below him.
>>37525923
It just tastes really gross to me, I don't know how to explain it. I tried it by itself when I was little and I gagged and I still hate it now
>>37525321
Average life expectancy from these three places is ten years longer than the global average. They also have the highest populations of centenarians (people that live over 100).
>>37525815
>171cm
>>37525516
this senpai
>>37526233
That's missing the huge amount of fish consumption in Japan. They're hardly close to vegan.
>>37525815
Skinnyfat: The Diet
LMAO at vegans getting BTFO.
>>37527579
Getting BTFO?
Where.
>>37526233
>>37525551
>standard western diet
then change your goddamn diet you don't have to stop eating meat to fix shit like that you fucking mong
Based Australian gov.
>>37528348
Based USA gov.
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>>37525321
>(health/longevity wise, fuck morals) to eat meat?
Eat only vegetables and live a miserable life, still get cancer.
There is absolutely no proof that meat causes cancer so i would rather make gains, eat a good diet and die at the average 65 - 70 than live such a miserable vegan life and cross my fingers i didn't get cancer from something else.
>>37525887
Alon is stupid as fuck. It would not suprise me if the guy is actually retarded on the IQ scale. And he is on gear.
>>37528382
![71bbce95ec289c7626ce7edd0a5f0508[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/O8klffJ.jpg "71bbce95ec289c7626ce7edd0a5f0508[1].jpg")
>>37528382
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>>37528362
so you found some case studies of retarded vegans abusing their kids, nice brah
>>37528408
>Jon Venus went vegan less than 1 year ago.
Be patient, he will look like pic related in 10 years of vegan lifting.
>>37525815
He's won those records when he wasn't a vegan yet (or just converted to veganism a short while ago), tho
He hasn't really won all that much since then.
>>37528408
roiding vegans don't count
>>37526233
>Sardegna
>Plant based diet
This is some next level bullshit. Saredegna is famous for sheep meat
>>37528500
>>37528502
dyel
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>>37528598
after everything there is still an animal that lives a horrible life and dies a horrible death for your selfish pleasure. the least you can do is reduce your meat consumtion to once or twice a week and get your meat from a reliable source. also the meat replacement stuff tastes pretty good if not better than the real thing.
>>37528491
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>>37528560
what do these articles prove? people knowing nothing about nutrition going to a hardcore diet, fucking stupid. at least they had a good cause that would be a strong argument for that diet if they werent so careless and just a little less hardcore in their believes. you know theres millions of people who drink and smoke during pregnancy, whatever.
8.3/10 24yo 140lb vegan chick co-worker was skinny fat a year ago. a year later, now she weighs less but looks even fatter and she has fat ass arms that stand out. on a good day 6/10. i paid attention to her today when she came by and her face looked aged like a smokers. she doesn't smoke and barely drinks. she works out... at times. her diet is fucking her shit up! she just maintains her current looks because of her current age. she and other chick co-workers make it seem like she is one of those true vegans because she has been one for like 5 years and she eats a variety of vegan dishes.
that bitch needs to get medical attention. even though no one talks about this stuff, a lot of people of all ages ignore things that should be standard for them. making appointments to get tests done on you can be essential to prevent things that may fuck your health up later on.
>/fit/ is ready to enter their prime, while this chick is ready to enter her decline.
she is relying solely on her youthful looks and vegan-plague logic.
>>37528652
>eat less meat goy. Dont be strong goy. Be sickly and submit to foreignors, immegrants, and niggers goy. Good goy.
>>37528702
>if i dont eat meat every day i will lose all my gains
>all the nutrition i get from meat is used up within a day
>all anti meat studies are oppressive and fake
>torturing one animal to death is excusable therefore its excusable to torture and kill millions every day.
>these nutritionists and scientists who are at the top of their field only promote these diets because the diet book industry pays them.
>>37528727
I like eating meat
>>37525460
Fuck Gento.
>>37528692
>woman
>24yo
Of course she's entering her decline, her prime was 5 years ago.
>>37528780
what if you found out the meat you were eating was actually human meat from tortured political prisoners, would that change anything? i mean after all you still like meat and it still tastes good, and oh boy all the nutrion.
>>37525321
If anything, it's bad not to eat meat
>>37528652
An animal that wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the purpose of being eaten.
>lives a horrible life and dies a horrible death
That depends fully on how much money you are willing to spend on the meat.
I barely eat meat myself, but veganism is retarded when there exists a much better alternative, vegetarianism. My diet consists mainly of whole milk, oats, peanuts, beans, quark and whey. I've had no problem getting huge gains out of such a simple and cheap diet.
>>37528809
>exists a much better alternative, vegetarianism
This, been vegetarian for a year now, finally gaining.
>An animal that wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the purpose of being eaten.
Slave trade was justified under that logic fyi. Imagine if a woman gave birth, then locked her baby in a basement then neglected and beat her before killing her at 10 years old. That couldn't be justified under the grounds that the baby only existed because of the mother.
>>37528809
>An animal that wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the purpose of being eaten.
i think not existing is a far better alternative
>That depends fully on how much money you are willing to spend on the meat.
i agree, id rather spend double the money and only eat meat twice a week instead of every day if i knew how the process of growing the animal and killing is handled
im not for full on veganism myself, but for moderation. But its hard when you see people who literally say animals are inferior therefore we can do whatever we want and they just dont give a fuck, at this point how am i supposed to take you serious as a human.
>>37528825
>muh plants have feelings
fuck off you faggot
>>37528727
>>37528807
What are actually the claims that vegans make?
>muh morals
I don't care. I have access to organic free range meat and eggs. I could understand if all you can get is factory farmed stuff.
>muh health
meat causes cancer? Almost everything "causes" cancer in some form.
I don't smoke, I lift, I do cardio, I rarely eat fast food, I almost never drink soda, I eat fresh whole foods, I eat veggies and fruits.
Why should I stop eating meat? So I can reduce my cancer risk by 0.5%? So I can live 3 years longer, years that I'll spend weak, fragile and demented?
>>37528652
>an animal that lives a horrible life and dies a horrible death for your selfish pleasure.
What about all the animals that die horrible deaths because of disturbance of their habitat by expanding cities, agriculture and other industries?
>>37528807
Of all the bleeding heart liberal cuckoldry....
Who fucking CARES where it comea from. Its DEAD. Those animals where BORN, BRED, and RAISED to be eaten. That is their purpose. They have no other.
>>37528875
how would you like it if your sole purpose in life was to be eaten?
Check out nutritionfacts.org they review scientific papers on nutrition (also topics different from vegan/non-vegan diets). You could start here and go through the links http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/meat/
>>37528872
>killing a few animals for meat is bad
>destroying entire ecosystems, killing billions of animals, for my cabbage farm is ok
>>37528881
>nutrition facts
>veganism shilling website
What next? Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics?
>>37528885
a FEW animals? a FEW? Worldwide over 50 billion chickens are now being slaughtered every year, it's a fucking EPIDEMIC!
FIFTY BILLION
>>37525551
>activated almonds milk
SHIT FORGOT TO ACTIVATE MY ALMONDS TODAY FUCK
>>37528880
I wouldnt. But i am a sentient being, capable of comprehending death rather than simply being afraid of things that cause it.
Those animals cannot.
Stop anthropamorphizing everthing.
>>37528903
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>>37525510
Pretty much everything
>>37525460
Windows 10 is considerably OK, though. Just be sure to clean up on all the spying, if not for privacy just for performance reasons.
>>37527987
The post you're quoting references the standard diet in the context of "not getting enough b12 - even if you eat meat. Eating more or less meat is irrelevant and your reply is simply completely retarded. Are you (b)twelve?
>>37528903
50 billion animals that wouldnt be alive had they not been born for the sole purpose of being killed for their meat.
>>37528914
>are you /b/twelve
FTFY
>>37528907
how do you know they aren't capable of comprehending death? are you also STUPID enough to think they can't comprehend TORTURE? yes, TORTURE, billions of chickens every year are being tortured for food... and you're okay with that? you know what? you disgust me, yeah, and don't take it personally man because it's not just you... all of you dickheads who eat meat fucking disgust me.
>>37528903
They wouldn't even exist if they weren't bred for eating and eggs.
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>>37528930
would you rather live a meaningless life crammed into a warehouse or cage without room to move, a life of TORTURE, to put it simply... or would you rather just never have been born? i know which i'd prefer...
>>37528894
Which is the biggest organization on nutrition and dietics. Sure. And also the physicians committee for responsible medicine. Are you sure you can argue against nutrition scientists with the information you get from whey-producing company funded bodybuilding websites?
>>37528880
I wouldn't actually mind being grown as food for alien overlords, as long as I was given a nice life in return. For example being able to fuck hot bitches every day.
>>37528926
Son. You dont have one mother FUCKING clue what torture even is. Dont go there.
World is one cruel hell. Get disgusted if you like but killing is human nature, be it animal, or one of our own kind. Remember that bitch boy.
>>37528943
ummmmm sorry sweetie, but that wouldn't be cost effective for the aliens, try again next lifetime ;) x
>>37528940
Zero governmental bodies recommend a vegan diet. See >>37528348 and >>37528355
Only veganism shilling websites do. AND is also a paid-membership scam.
>>37528880
All those I've met that cared about "being moral" and "always doing the right thing" were complete fucking faggots. Be selfish, look out for yourself. Else there's a good chance you're turning yourself into an effeminate doormat that cares about making every one else but him happy.
>>37528847
if you know where the meat comes from and how it is handled then i dont have a problem, but dont say you dont care, youre in a position where you dont have to care but im sure you see the problem if you were in a different position.
>>37528872
why do you have to see it so black and white. animals are inferior and sometimes they die to make place for people, there is a huge difference between murdering animals in the cheapest way possible in the millions and murdering them accidentally or to make space for humans, its sad but in most of these cases i dont think you can justify taking the side of the animals. and of course there are exceptions when huge landscapes get destroyed to build farms or something, but at least these animals did have a relatively good life and they only die once if you know what i mean. i mean is it so hard to realize that justifying some animal deaths is not like saying that they are worthless and you shouldn't give a fuck in any way. what is wrong with moderation? is it really such a bad idea to reduce the meat industry from 100 billion murders per year and terrible conditions to 30 billion with great conditions?
>>37528568
>>37528560
>>37528554
et cetera
It's sad that you have to resort posting screenshot of news article from 2003, 2005, 2001 about people being completely retarded and in the meantime disregard real scientific studies like the ones in >>37525463 (not to mention the official position of the american dietetic association: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864 )
As yet another study puts an emphasis on a plant-based diet, confirming that >>37525463
>The more you restrict meats, the better
it's
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/
where is suggested that
>Physicians should advocate that it is time to get away from terms like vegan and vegetarian and start talking about eating healthy, whole, plant-based foods (primarily fruits and vegetables) and minimizing consumption of meat, eggs, and dairy products
so that the average american scared about veggies is not "triggered" by those terms. In order to make
>plant-based diets the new normal
considering that
>[t]he future of health care will involve an evolution toward a paradigm where the prevention and treatment of disease is centered, not on a pill or surgical procedure, but on another serving of fruits and vegetables.
>>37528948
>killing one animal is the same as killing 50 billion
>the world is cruel so lets make it more cruel
>people can be cruel so lets be cruel
> all these cherry picked studies
>>37529001
>american dietetic association
It was forced to drop "American" from its name so it changed to "Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics." They are also butthurt due to losing sponsorship from McDonald's and Coca Cola so now they shill veganism in retaliation. AND is nothing but a paid-membership scam website shilling veganism because it's trendy to attract more paid users. It in no way defines the food guidelines for Americans.
>>37528847
>the "everything causes cancer anyway" logical fallacy
>>37525463
>>37525452
Why are the only arguments against veganism in this thread either anecdotal or fallacious?
Please give some valid arguments or fuck off
>>37529027
The position of that association is literally the same of every advisory boards worldwide. But I'm sure you know all about evil vegan mafias knocking down McDonald's and Coke lobbies.
>>37529001
>>37529046
Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2015-2020 from the United States Department of Agriculture
It does NOT recommend a vegan diet. Whole grains, vegetables, fruits, meat and Dairy are recommended for a balanced diet.
The AND is not affiliated with the US government.
>>37529027
>They are also butthurt due to losing sponsorship from McDonald's and Coca Cola so now they shill veganism in retaliation.
are you saying they lost sponsorsship of Mcdonalds and coca cola and THEN started shilling for veganism? first of all god forbid a dietary institution losing sponsorship from fucking coca cola, holy shit if hey really sponsored them how is that not your arguments against that institution, a fucking institution about nutrition takes money from coca cola. anyway wouldnd it make more sense that they "shilled" for veganism with "facts" long before the sponsored dropped them, doesnt that make more sense?
Funny how all the vegans itt are level headed whereas all the meat eaters start spazzing out at the drop of a hat... I wonder if it has something to do with all the meat they consume.
Hmm...
>>37529064
Eggs as well.
>>37525463
>According to pure vegetarian ideologists, people consuming vegetarian diet have better health and live longer than nonvegetarians, because persons consuming milk, dairy products, meat, eggs and fish are at health risk. In fact the most healthy people in Europe are inhabitants of Iceland, Switzerland and Scandinavia, consuming great amounts of food of animal origin. Meta-analysis of several prospective studies showed no significant differences in the mortality caused by colorectal, stomach, lung, prostate or breast cancers and stroke between vegetarians and "health-conscious" nonvegetarians. In vegetarians, a decrease of ischemic heart disease mortality was observed probably due to lower total serum cholesterol levels, lower prevalence of obesity and higher consumption of antioxidants. Very probably, an ample consumption of fruits and vegetables and not the exclusion of meat make vegetarians healthful.
poultry and seafood has not been linked to a higher rate of death.
>>37529064
That .png only shows macros. How this relates with the perfect suitability of vegetarian (strict or not) diet?
Are you mentally challenged?
>>37529135
>can't hit the USDA website to literally see the guidelines on the front page
>calls others mentally challenged
>>37528981
Government decisions are based on politics, not on science. On the other hand, if you read the WHO diet recommendations (fact sheet 394) they do not explicitly recommend any intake of animal products. Instead they stress that everybody should eat more plant foods.
Antiscience in governments is pretty widespread. Related to nutrition e.g. the long lasting ban on stevia from Europe (probably based on economical reasons, the same law would also have prevented import of kiwis if they had not already been sold before). But also the position towards organic farming (which is not necessary beneficial for the environment), genetic engineering (which could be), use of pesticides like glyphosate (which is necessary at least in some amount), climate change denialism, vaccine opposition etc.
Everyone should cut their consumption of meat and other animal products, for health reasons and environmental reasons. Does not mean you have to go completely vegan here and now.
>>37529151
That's only a macro recommendation. It does not advocate any specific diet. choosemyplate.gov (besides being aimed at retarded americans who can't guess that eating McShit 24/7 is bad) has specific guidances and pages for vegetarians too.
Are you mentally challenged?
>>37529182
The point is that it doesn't recommend a vegan diet, retard.
>>37529219
none of the posts quoted in >>37529064 implied that. Actually, one of those posts was suggesting to leave out labels like "vegetarian" and "vegan", so handicapped individuals like you wouldn't be triggered, and the other one simply referenced the suitability of a vegetarian diet.
Do you get autism bucks along with that mental retardation?
>>37529254
You don't need to be this buttblasted, veganon. The US gov does not recommend a vegan diet, period.
>>37529270
>I'm retarded
No need to confirm that any further.
Any advisory board suggest that a vegetarian (strict or not) diet is entirely feasible and not deficient. No one in the post quoted in >>37529064 mentioned advisory boards in charge of suggesting the complete adoption of a vegetarian (strict or not) diet; rather, it was underlined the general scientific consensus is in the direction of a switch to a plant-based diet, or at least a diet "more" plant-based. As referenced in the quoted >>37529001 and recursively in >>37525463
You're also completely missing the context in which >>37529001 has been written.
>buttblasted
ahah that's you in a mirror, Forrest. Learn to read.
>>37529355
The US gov still doesn't recommend a vegan diet, at all. :^)
>>37529396
God damnit fit is filled with fucking retards, just keep eating your meat I'm sure it will work out for you knobheads.
>>37529451
Nope. Not recommended by the US gov.
>>37529161
>Instead they stress that everybody should eat more plant foods.
As well as animal products to make it a balanced diet. That's not a vegan diet. No sane, credible organization recommends a strict vegan diet, no matter how you you dance around the subject.
>>37530745
>I'll reiterate my shitpost over and over
>If I keep doing it my goal-shifting will pass unnoticed for sure!!!11
No one ever suggested that a vegan diet is recommended by the "US gov". Advisory boards worldwide recognize that
- a vegetarian (strict or not) diet is feasible and won't lead to any deficit
- no matter your diet regimen, a switch to a "more" plant-based is just healthier
and there's plenty of (cited) scientific publications supporting this position.
The "US gov" doesn't support any specific diet.
>>37530745
>http://www.choosemyplate.gov/sites/default/files/printablematerials/VegetarianNutritionResourceList.pdf
>http://www.choosemyplate.gov/tips-vegetarians
>Vegetarian diets can meet all the recommendations for nutrients
>>37528913
> clean up the spying from Windows 10
>>37531061
>vegetarian
Still not recommending a _vegan_ diet.
>>37531015
I really don't care about shilling advisory boards. They have no saying. The US gov does not recommend a vegan diet.
>>37532511
>vegan diet
What you're referring to is the so-called "strict vegetarian" diet. Vegans adopt this particular subset of a vegetarian diet; strict vegetarians are not necessarily vegans, since being vegan involves much more than refining a diet.
Your attempts at shifting goals are pathetic. Nobody ever argued that the the "US gov" has ever recommended a specific diet, the "US gov" recommends just to eat less shitty food with that initiative, aimed at morbidly obese americans who don't even know what's the difference between carbs, fats and proteins. Nowhere in that site the "US gov" supports any kind of diet, it just supports a deeper attention at the macro-nutrients and a wider use of fibres and veggies, perfectly on sync with the post >>37529001 you tried to argued against in >>37529064
It includes tips for any kind of vegetarian and references http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/sites/default/files/dietary_guidelines_for_americans/AppendixE-3-3-Vegetarian.pdf for both lacto-ovo vegetarians and "vegans".
Unironically, you posted a source that not only was not in contrast with the post you tried to attack, but it absolutely agree with that.
Furthermore, the position of the "US gov" is perfectly in sync with the position of worldwide academia you're inanely dismissing with that "shill" strawman blabbering; your sources actually agree with >>37529001 .
Did your parents drop you on your head when you were an infant? Or is it genetic?
>>37533032
Vegetarian = ovo-lacto or lacto-vegetarian (eggs or milk or both)
Strict vegetarian = vegan (plants only)
No government in the world recommends a vegan diet >>37528348 >>37528355 and studies show a vegan diet impairs development in children:
>>37528362
>>37528368
>>37528377
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>>37532511
>durr hurr I'm borderline retarded :^)))))))
I don't see it advising _against_ a _vegan_ diet
I see it advising vegetarian dietS
>https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/vegetariandiet.html
>There is no single type of vegetarian diet. Instead, vegetarian eating patterns usually fall into the following groups:
>
> The vegan diet, which excludes all meat and animal products
> The lacto vegetarian diet, which includes plant foods plus dairy products
> The lacto-ovo vegetarian diet, which includes both dairy products and eggs
But hey I'm sure that nih.GOV is some lobby governed by vegan shills
>>37533136
>I don't see it advising _against_ a _vegan_ diet
It doesn't recommend a vegan diet either. (^:
>>37533128
>studies show
that a vegan diet is totally healthy, you're linking aberrant cases about retards. See >>37525463, >>37533136
>>37533176
This thread =
Omnivores being correct and
Vegan cucks getting btfo and never ever providing any logical information.
Every fucking vegan thread. Vegan is a meme. Chicken and red meat is great but protein is shit without a carb fueled routine to encourage muscle growth in the first place. I've never once met a vegan that was not a gigantic insufferable douche. It's almost part of being vegan. I don't agree with slaughterhouses either. I could literally raise my own animals for consumption if i had the space i eat that little. You also probably use animal products every day so you're all nothing but faggy hypocrites .
Being vegan is NOT healthier in anyway. You are in the same group of intelligence as atkins or gluten free diet followers.
>>37533287
>This thread =
stereotypical answer of someone who hasn't read the thread; or worse, someone who's trying to further push his own blabbering pretending he didn't read the thread.
Plenty of scientific (hence, logical) information has been produced since the beginning of the thread; and the thread was started leaving "morals" aside.
But you're here to just push your own agenda in a no different way than vegan "activists".
wtf
>>37533494
He is right tho. A vegan diet isn't taken seriously by any respected gov because it's not complete. Humanity cannot thrive on veganism. However, big pharma wants you to buy your stupid dietary pills to treat your chronicle illnesses - b12/iron/d deficiencies just so you have the freedom to live life like a cripple.
>>37535225
>I still don't and won't read the thread, yet I feel the need to bump the thread and make baseless assumptions to push a different agenda
Congratulations!
>>37535271
My red dietary pill is 2 hard 4u to swallow.
>>37535310
>lelelel red pill
You're worse than activist vegans. Read the thread, the scientific sources cited or a fucking book.
Don't you ever reply to me or my wife's son again unless you're contributing in a sound manner.
