Is this natty? He claims so, but i'm not sure
>>37521869
His lower body looks like a tornado that went into a blender.
probably not but I don't think he's running anything insane. probably some pro hormones and some kind of cutting agent
his lowerabs and adonis belt look absolutely shit. Too bad, because aside of that, he looks great.
>>37521869
Lats that thick juicy and tight are not natty
Kyle MacLachan's looking swole breh, is it for a new role?
>>37521869
Prob not natty but I like him because he is like the new Zyzz. He is tall but he claims 210lb natty which is the natty limit at best.
>>37521887
kek he looks better than you will ever be.
Looks like shit
>>37521869
His traps are missing.
>>37521869
under 6'? probably
over 6'? probably not
>>37521884
>>37521913
>probably not
>probably
FUCK THIS FUCKING BOARD YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING RETARDED IF YOU THINK THERE IS ANY CHANCE THIS GUY IS NATTY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>37521931
Well the dude has being training since he was 12 and if he has godlike genetics maybe and just maybe, but it's most likely that he isn't.
>>37521930
He is 6'2 if I'm not wrong.
Nobody is natural.
Nobody.
>>37521896
>>37521913
>>37521931
What do you think is achievable natty then?
If someone has an ounce of muscle it must be steroids right?
FUCKING LOL
Lift harder pussies
>>37521931
go back to /r9k/ you fuck
>>37521924
nobody fall for it
>>37521869
Test
>>37521931
fat fuck, learn how to cut.
then again you would probably call me fake natty for some reason (oh yea, you look like shit)
Why do people care so much if X is natty or not?
>>37521869
Probably. The most impressive thing is his arm thickness for how lean the rest of his body is.
>>37521998
I'm not one to accuse of roids easily but that's not an ounce of muscle. At 6'2 ~6% body fat and that size being natty is unlikely
Very possible to hit that natty.
He's not overly lean, and he isn't huge.
This guy looks like an average A&F model at best and neckbeards ITT already saying he's on roids
kek
>>37521869
looks like the natty limit to me.
>>37522054
because people want to feel that sense of superior feeling of not using steroids
>>37522101
Seems very lean to me. But yes still very possible natty.
>>37522126
I don't quite get that. Why not take the shortcut?
>>37522126
Did you grow a dick yet?
How deep is your voice?
>>37521869
Whats with his lats?
>>37521965
"around 6 2" is on a youtube comment so confirmed 6 1
>>37521869
Who cares?
Is he trying to sell you something?
>>37522110
Naa, too asymmetrical imo.
>>37522054
It matters in the supplement industry or on youtube etc.
When they're spreading a bunch of bullshit that causes people to fail and never give fitness a second try.
>I'm natty
>I also train 6x a week doing 1000x1000 sets
>Doesn't work for you?
>How about trying my supplements
>>37522150
>Illegal
>Needles
>Interact with people who subvert the law
>Expensive
>Won't keep gains past natty limit when you quit
>Won't want to quit
>Research required
>Propaganda
>Stigma
>Hair loss
>Hormonal change
>Dick hanging lower than balls
>Leaving humanity behind
etc
possible natty if he trained 8+ years and good genetics,but i don't think hes natty
>>37521992
this
not even your father, that thing you see hanging from his body is a roid gut.
>>37522054
It helps people set realistic goals. Back in the day people thought they could look like Arnie by doing curls and eating raw eggs. If you want to look like x or y bodybuilder it's important to know if their physique is attainable natty or no.
It's also sickening to see fake natties selling their own specially branded supps, and then kids think they'll look like Jeff Seid if they buy them.
>>37522203
oh no mild asymmetry!!! what the fuck do you mean what's wrong with them
![461[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/n11um4O.png "461[1].png")
>>37522101
>>37522116
>>37522130
>>37522258
LEAVE
ALREADY
RRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Looks natty to me. Just good lighting + pump and flexing
>>37521869
Where da traps at tbqh
>>37522253
>Naa, too asymmetrical imo.
He's flexing his lats and is under good lighting. I've seen people just as big on A&F ads.
>>37522343
nah m8, no tricks. Guy legit looks like this in every condition/situation
>>37522369
This
>looks good
>natty
>>37522150
I'm not against it, I think it's people's choice of doing what ever they wanna do in life. Even if you're taking it for to compete in a show like who the fuck is natty these days.
>>37522151
quite low, and they are visible. I can't sing no more and that's a bummer.
With all those veins in his arms, dry looking abs, and such rounded deltoids I highly doubt it.
And I can't tell if people are baiting about the traps but they are literally the most unappealing muscle. No girl finds some big dragonball z traps attractive.
>>37522431
>ith all those veins in his arms, dry looking abs, and such rounded deltoids I highly doubt it.
THIS
I have watched all his vids, and I don't remember him every claiming he was natty.
I always assumed he's on something, hence he doesn't talk about it. He just posts vids for motivation.
Where does he claim natty?
>>37521869
pump, a little tan, good lighting, somewhat vascular..
could be natty but not within 1-2 years minimum 5 years imo
>>37522431
Also does he have scoliosis or something because one shoulder is clearly higher than the other. Possibly one leg also drastically longer than the other.
>>37522437
>THIS
manlet detected
Vid for reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb2_MRXID9E
>lifting since 12yo
>godtier frame genetics
looks achievable tbqhwy pham, I mean look at the size of his head in proportion to his body, doesn't look like that much mass to me. Of course he looks huge in pictures, but this guy would probably look pretty small with clothes in real life
only suspicious thing is that low %bf, but even then I don't think he's under 10-8%, just a good pump in the photo
you're all literally retarded
>>37522447
>Where does he claim natty
is this fucking bait?
read the title of the video you're watching next time retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqbRiNbm5WA
>>37521913
>he is like the new Zyzz
>>37521869
Severe lat imbalance
Shoulder higher than the other
Shit ab skin
Fucked up adonis belt
But, could be natty
>>37522526
post fit
>>37522522
Yes, it was bait; you fell for it.
>>37522130
He's not 8% and huge tho, nom sayin?
That's probably 12-13%
>>37522567
>>37522253
>>Illegal
not everywhere
>Needles
not everyone's afraid of them
>>Expensive
wut? it costs like 100$ 2 months supply in my country
>>Won't keep gains past natty limit when you quit
that's enough to me
etc
>>37522368
>"same as jacked models in magazine ads"
>not on roids
Fucking lord, it's going to be a long summer
>all these nattys lifting for 6-12 months who think there exist humans who achieved a body like that without steroids
you're all on a highway to Soul-crushing-realization-of-natty-potential-city
>>37522728
>t. 13 months natty lifter
>>37521998
Have you considered, that when sterons is claimed in these types of thread, it might actually be because the subject in question uses steroids?
K
>>37522891
wew absolutely fucking retarded logic you have right there m8, keep it up
>>37521869
>no traps
>barely any chest or ab definition
>tiny obliques
>probably no legs
I hope for his sake he's natty, otherwise that's incredibly embarrassing for him
>>37522126
I disagree with you here, for me its much more important to know if someone is natty or not because then I know what is "achievable" and what someone on roids can look like, even if that is underwhelming sometimes, its a way to see what your average /fit/izen who is dedicated enough can achieve, I dont feel any moral superiority over a roider unless he is in fact a fraud and yet still manages to be small
>>37522368
>photoshoots for A&F
>not retouched
>models natty
Pick none
>>37522988
jelly af
>>37522415
>lol everyone cheats
that is an embarassing post cheekie, you can lie to others but lying to yourself of all people about your reasoning is pathetic, of course bodybuilders who "compete" are on roids 99% of the time but that doesnt mean you have to do it or that you have to chose that path
>>37523109
Steroids isn't cheating. Who is one cheating?
>>37522402
lol i wasnt being sarcastic.
He actually looks like that picture, no meme angle, lighting, pose.
Roids or nah?=
idk and idc
yes hes natty. yes he looks fucking good.
>>37521869
99% of anyone that looks even half decent is on steroids... The 1% they have way above average genetics.
Both groups probably workout and train and diet really hard... some dont..
Just workout and do your best... In 3 years if you're not even 25% to your goal then consider steroids because whoever you were idolizing is beyond your reach
>>37523579
m8, even though you're right posting this is simply futile effort. people here are stupid and just won't consider that an opinion exactly opposite to theirs might be right and coming from someone more experienced
it just works like that. they have to learn things the hard way
>>37521869
He's missing a few tell tale signs of roid use, the delts aren't cannonball and actually drop off, and the upper chest area isn't huge.
the other sign, huge traps, can't be judged here due to the pose.
>>37523650
fucking kek
if he injected tren in front of you you still wouldn't be able to tell am I right?
>>37523109
What did I lie about? Not to be weird but I don't get what you're telling me here. I never told anyone or to myself that you HAVE to take it. Didn't I say it's people's choice of doing what ever they wanna do in life? Which part did I trigger you
>>37523641
>>37523679
anon don't blame others for looking like absolute shit, it's your fault
>>37523691
you're either stupid or confusing newbs on purpose. I don't know which is worse
>>37521869
god vtaper is so disgusting.
its like you have no lower body.
>>37522038
If you've been training intelligently for over a year I'll eat my fucking laptop
>>37521869
>dat nose, lazy eye
His face is creepy.
>>37523815
ur creppy
>>37522431
>traps but they are literally the most unappealing muscle.
'Okay'
>>37522666
Shaitan speaks the truth.
>>37522431
Traps are one of the best muscles lmfao. If you have wide shoulders and zero traps you look WEIRD like you're a tabletop. Big traps also make your neck look bigger which makes you look manlier and 10x more ripped than you actually are.
>>37523593
He's literally right. I'm happy with how I look, I fill out a tshirt and I'm reasonably strong, but I'll never be huge and lean, and neither will you.
>>37523745
>confusing newbs on purpose
literally fucking retarded comeback
are you even trying? no wonder you look like shit putting this kind of effort into things
>>37523884
>huge and lean
>with that head/body ratio
lmao
>>37523579
>99% of anyone that looks even half decent is on steroids...
Jesus.
>>37523898
He's not entering any IFBB shows as a superheavy but he's quite big and very lean for someone over six feet.
If you want even remotely realistic natty limit goals look at George Hackenshmidt or Arthur Saxon. In today's world, the top middleweight IPF lifters maybe (although someone WILL respond to this post accusing them all of being on steroids).
>>37523910
The way most of /fit/ defines 'looks decent' he's not wrong.
>ITT: cockmonglers doing SS for 3 years thinking they're entitled to a fucking opinion on aesthetics
>>37521869
Natty. His delts aren't huge and just the way his abs look prove it. I look similar but probably +4% body fat
>>37524082
>just the way his abs look prove it.
costanzaeyebrowscocked.jpg
honestly just watching the vids would make any reasonable person suspect he is on steroids, has the attention seeking personality that drives many/most people to get on juice. Whether his body is or is not attainable natty isn't really the question, he doesnt seem like the kind of guy who would want to wait for results imo
>>37522666
A&F isn't a fit magazine ad. It's a DYEL fashion brand.
Christ, go outside, it's summer.
>>37525480
>they don't use clen
lmao
>>37525519
whether they're on juice or not is irrelevant, if you're saying their DYEL physiques aren't natty attainable why are you even lifting.
>>37525587
Okay but the point still stands that men who make a living based on how their body looks are 95%+ likely to use WADA-banned substances to get there.
>>37521869
>delt vein
>natty
>>37521869
This is disturbing
>>37521869
Natty but doesnt have bad ass traps?
>>37521869
how can anyone think this is not natty? there is nothing on him that looks extremely pronounced his muscles still look a bit soft and nothing is out of proportion.
definitely natty
>>37525587
>whether or not they're on juice is irrelevant to being natty
>>37525623
I have delt veins and I'm natty AF bruh
>>37526072
>I can't read for shit
look at this guy
>>37526072
what a fucking idiot manchild
>>37525907
that's called insertions you fucking dyel. do you think anybody can get bane like traps? Look at Stalone in Rocky, he is fucking jacked yet no traps.
>>37521869
Id believe hes natty mostly. No AAS, but clen and or DNP was probably involved and hard ass dieting.
>>37523680
It's about your reasoning which at best is kind of twisted
Why don't people train obliques?
>Inb4 ruins the v-taper
Gets lats fgt
>>37521965
>godlike genetics
and what makes you see that?
that's the excuse EVERY single fake natty uses
>nah guys im just genetically blessed dude all natty bruh
>>37527798
I donno what triggered you to be exact still lol and why I'm a liar. I have only stated the fact on the bodybuilding roid thing.
>>37521869
wow, this thread proves that nobody on this board actually lifts. I look arguably better than OP and I'm natty. Maybe you guys should train longer than a few months before screaming 'roider' at everything.
>>37527935
>I look arguably better than OP and I'm natty
Proof
>>37527935
Post a pic faggot and prove it. I bet you look dyel as fuck.
>>37527935
>arguably
lol, fuck you
>>37527912
I didn't mean that you "lied" but rather that the mentality you have toward gear is rather weird, because when using gear you shouldn't say: Well others do it so I have to do it as well, but instead think about what your goals are and if they are achievable without roids or not
>>37528397
>Well others do it so I have to do it as well
When did I say this. Also I take gear and chose to compete because I personally wanted to do it and take gear. Not because people are doing it. I mentioned the "everyone is doing gear" shit because people here always tells me that I'm a "cheater" for roiding. I take roid because I want to. I compete because I want to. as simple as that.
>>37527935
> I look arguably better than OP and I'm natty.
LELELELE
>>37522431
My gf loves my traps
>>37522341
shut the fuck up you autistic fuck
>>37522431
>No girl finds some big dragonball z traps attractive.
>lifting for girls
>on /fit/
>>37525907
>>37526242
he's protracting his shoulder blade you retards
you think his lats actually look like that?
this thread is the prime example of why /fit/ has gone to shit
>>37523934
>a fatfuck /pol/ basement dweller who haven't even acknowledged the existence of another program besides SS thinking the epitome of natural body aesthetics is a disgustingly russian fisherman looking faggot from last century
color me surprised
>>37529391
What exactly was I wrong about? Who, since that era, is guaranteed not to be on steroids and also look better than them?
>>37527935
This is you, right?
I look kinda like him and Im natty, so yea
>>37527935
>I look better than this buff dude
>I don't need a picture to prove it
>w-who would lie on the internet?
>r-right guys?
kek
>>37521869
If he's natty, then pick related is also natty.
>>37522323
>mild
No but this is
The more I lift the more I realize I could never look like OP's picture. Even if he is using steroids he still has that slim muscular twink genetics.
But for me I realize i'm more along the lines of a Hugh Jackman body where everything is thicker and hairier.
>>37530375
Looks better anyways. Looks kinda like kinobody. Mirin'
