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Steroids general.
>20mins since last thread died
Previously
>>37492929
>>37502729
> 20 mins later
I was fooling around with a nutrition facts label generator for the OP pic. It didn't work out.
>>37502763
>wen u cruisin but ur at the end of ur vial n u just decide 2 duble the dose 4 1 nite lol
>>37502772
What a boyish body
Are you named after the dead baby bashing monkey?
>>37502729
Best stack for fat loss? I'll read into the doses just throw me some ideas
>>37502794
>Not cruising on 400 test plus orals
What are you doing with your life?
Disregard health, acquire aesthetics
I haven't come off or cruised more than a month and a half in the two years I've been on
Is there a video/documentary that is essential /steriod/ core? I wanna learn as much as I can I've already read multiple stickies/info guides.
>>37502833
Dnp + PSMF
Tren is the only roid that increases fat loss but you still gotta diet properly
Dnp is easy mode
>>37502834
m8 when you're recovering from an injury while trying to cut and also expect to have surgery in maybe a month then u can cruise at 200 a week till all is said and done
>>37502772
>>37502816
Ay, I'd hit that.
This is what an unplanned cycle looks like.
>>37502835
Bigger faster stronger is a good doco
There's no informative vids or movies though, just read a bunch online
>>37502849
DNP + PSMF sounds like an awful time.
both are insane but idk about together.
>>37502856
What kind of injury are we talking?
Broke my ankle half way through my first blast, that was a bitch to work around.
>>37502871
>sounds like an awful time
pretty much, for me it's like rucking 12 miles with 60-80lbs
your entire world shrinks down to putting one foot in front of the other, you kind of sink down into yourself mentally, and just focus on point a to point B
it's fucking awful, but you can't imagine the results
>>37502902
dislocated my shoulder at the end of my tren e blast, dislocated the night i pinned tren A to complete the blast (was gonna end it with a vial of finaplix 50mg ED). tore the labrum and chipped some bone off upon dislocation. just got back into the gym a few weeks ago.
during recovery i got diagnosed with compartment syndrome, so i cant run or isolate my legs too much. Getting the compartment pressure test in 2 weeks then they'll schedule me for surgery after its confirmed. Both the doctor and physical therapist agree its compartment syndrome but they still need to do the test. doctor said it may take 3-4 months before i can work legs again afterwards, despite being able to walk the next day.
>>37502871
Its difficult but definitely doable. The results are worth it.
>>37502902
and i feel you man. dealing with injuries after starting a blast is pretty fucking disheartening.
>>37502944
>but you can't imagine the results
Muh bloody boots. Fuck rucking.
>>37502951
This sounds really familiar. Did you post on r steroids when it happened? Either way sounds like a petty shitty situation. Good luck with the surgery.
>>37502984
yeah the my life is a meme post.
was a dank 1
>>37502944
Yeah I don't know about DNP man, might try at a lower dose. I'm worried I might die if I do cardio on this shit. Recommended dose for maximum damage control? And thanks for telling me about the PSMF
>>37503067
I used to do cardio on 500mg DNP. Just watch your heartrate
>>37503067
i don't think you're encouraged to do cardio with either DNP or PSMF.
>>37502951
> work out drunk
> do push/pull ie. overwork shoulders
> zero injuries since I started steroids
How do you people manage this shit? Like my brother, he's always bitching about his shoulders. So I tell him what to do, and next time I visit, he's off doing some retard shoulder-isolating routine. This is what you do for shoulders..
> 3x8 180 degree lateral raise with light dumb-bells
> 3x8 standing press
That's it. In fact, let me list all the exercises one needs to be concerned with...
> squats
> deadlifts
> pendlay rows + low rows
> bench press
> press
> lateral raise
> pull-up + chin-ups [instead of curls]
> hanging leg raise
> cardio, preferably rowing or ARC trainer
I like to do zero-rest routines to improve my sex potential. You think you're all that strong until you fuck a nympho and suddenly endurance is an issue. Super-setting deadlifts, leg raises, and rows. Super-setting pull-ups and chin-ups. Etc. If I can't find anything else to do, I'll do some curls as a bullshit filler as it's better than nothing. Rest times matter.
>>37503131
well i tweaked my rotator cuff years ago and always had issues with it since.
it dislocated on my second set of DB OHP, was holding the dumbbell at the top of the rep and focusing on my other arm to keep good form then my left arm just went behind me and fell around like a clock hand.
>>37502977
who the fuck, do I need a fucking spreadsheet for fraud now?
>bloody boots
ssssccrruubbb
better boots, better socks, better insoles, better ruck packing
worst thing I had to do during a 20k was stop, take my boot off, pull a toenail with a gerber, hold pressure for 5 then wrap it, boot back on and keep going
think I still did it in like 3:15 just pacing it out
>>37503067
unless you majorly fuck up by not maintaining hydration and electrolyte balance, it's a non-issue
I've done an hour and a half of liss a day split into 2 45min sessions while on 600mg and psmf, it can be done
might add more after I shit and shower if you've got more qs
>>37503211
>I've done an hour and a half of liss a day split into 2 45min sessions while on 600mg and psmf
that sounds insane dude. i'd be down to try that in the winter but fuck.
>>37503131
You got a CB pic? Only ever seen your back, looked joocy tho
>>37503211
DNP releases massive amounts of free radicals into your body. Free radicals cause cancer bruh. I don't want cancer. It passed the AMES test but bacteria aren't even effected by DNP so it doesn't matter. Fuckin horse hockey I'm like 50/50 on if should go online and buy this shit.
>>37503238
On DNP it's all about your motivation, because the lethargy just awful for me
>>37503313
how does it compare to tren lethargy?
probably worse i bet
>>37503284
Did you even read DNP sticky? One thing DNP definitely does is DECREASING your chances to get cancer
>>37503211
I know right, I'm away for a few weeks, come back to like 4 new trips
At least MGs life is sad enough that he's decides to grace us once more with his pocket sized presence
Forgive me for my ignorance, but I am curious. I have heard that a test cycle makes you feel great for weeks, months even, makes you self-confident, strong of course, all that stuff. So what exactly is the problem with roiding when you're not training seriously, not trying to go above your natural limit? Are there any more reasons why people who have only been training for half a year should not roid? Don't actors in Hollywood for example roid all the time from untrained to ripped?
>>37503333
So its class three carcinogen. Basically unless I took DNP for like a year I have zero risk of getting cancer. How would it aid with cancer, I've read sticky. Nowhere in sticky about DNP.
>>37503391
Roiding from dyel increases chance of injuries, gains are suboptimal because you don't know how to lift properly and you'll likely become reliant on gear to make gains.
>>37503391
Get a solid regiment and diet for a year, preferably work with a trainer and see how you feel.
>>37503238
>>37503313
15-20mg yoh hcl on waking, 45mins of 150bpm avg liss starting 30mins after dosing, wait 75mins after liss then dose 200mg moda + 200-400mg caffeine q4h prn
it's rough but it's definitely doable
>>37503284
>DNP releases massive amounts of free radicals into your body. Free radicals cause cancer bruh.
it's funny how all of the arguments about mutagenic oxidative stress, carcinogenic effects, etc are all working off of theoretical frameworks with no real epidemiological grounding
you wanna know what else is funny?
even if it had the potential to cause cancer, the massively increased cancer cell metabolism means dnp would create runaway reactions that would lead to cell death before the oxidative stress could provoke any kind of fruitful metastatic response
tl;dr for dumbshits like you: unless you've got actual rigorous science backing up that claim, go get fucked with a broken broomstick
>>37503330
oddly enough I had zero sleep disturbance past the first ~4 nights at 350mg of puuuuuure tren ace, no lethargy, no digestive issues, nada
>>37503565
Why go through the trouble of extracting fina then run it at such a low dose?
Starting a cycle soon. Do you faggots run AI through the whole cycle or only when sides show?
>>37503565
thanks senpai. I'll keep reading but it's a class 3 so "it isn't known to directly cause cancer".
>>37503627
I had extra, I wanted to see how it stacked up, and/or because why the fuck not
>>37502772
who is this, she a camwhore?
I'm about to do my 1st cycle. Var. Just looking for some sources.
Someone who made it have progress pics? I'm excited for made sum strength gains while making some modest muscle gains. To those who deadlift, how much improv can be made in 4 weeks? Currently lifting 352lbs.
I'm an IV Heroin addict. 24 year olds male, 6'2" and now 178lbs after gaining much needed weight.
When they did my blood work in detox six months ago my testosterone was 389, after three weeks it improved to 405. Also my liver function improved, most noticably my billirubens went down and my cholesteral went up.
At the time they wanted to prescribe me andro-gel and some anti-depressants and shit but I was adamant about being totally sober, and have been for a little over six months.
I still often feel slow, but my overall health has improved drastically.
I am considering getting my blood work done again, and seeing if my testosterone has improved, if it hasnt I am considering taking the scrip. Should I bother with gel? I lurked in a few theads and never saw it mentioned so I assume its inferior to what does come up.
Of course this feels like looking to drugs to improve my life/modify my emotions. That mindset destroys me, so I should probally not even consider it. Doctors wanting to give me roids make it hard to resist, but I will ask about it, and get told its a bad idea by people smarter than me tomorrow. That always helps.
>>37504169
>I'm about to do my 1st cycle. Var.
>>37504178
minimum once a week injection or bust, everything else is fucking retarded for a dizzying array of reasons
>>37503659
>Cycle
No
I know this isnt a DNP thread but is DMP still reliable and go to other then Dinitro?
I've been gone for a few months out of country.
Guys been pinning 75 tren a day, and 150 test twice a week.
Been about 6 weeks
Now the pip is insane swollen lumps at all my injection sites
Actually withdrew what look like tren after the lump hadn't left for a week.
What the fucks happening, is it me, my gear?
>>37502729
How much more gains do steroids yield.
Lets say I start working out. Never done before.
a version of me in universe A is natural.
a version of me in universe B is on steroids.
If B worked out for 2 months. How long would A have to work out for the same results.
Just curious. I have no desire to workout, just want to know the effectiveness.
>>37504188
are you implying it Isn't a proper cycle?
>>37504278
how long is a piece of string measured from manletgain's taint to bellybutton?
>>37504211
buydnp, get it while the getting's good
>>37504231
>Actually withdrew what look like tren after the lump hadn't left for a week.
how the actual fuck do you manage to fuck up aseptic injection techniques this badly
>>37504300
hold on, let me get my big red fucking crayons for this one
>>37504178
Congrats on getting clean and having enough common sense to lurk and realize gel is shit.
Steroids aren't a high or a cheap "fix" to your problems that fucks you over later.
Tjey can drastically improved quality of life and if done properly have very few downsides.
Buy your test illegally and self administer TRT, it'll work out a fraction of the cost of prescription.
250mg per week divided into two shots should put you slightly above natty but not mess up your health markers like higher blast doses would.
>>37504231
Is it red and tender? If so you got yourself a babby infection
If not probably subQ
>>37504300
Dude at least lurk for like two or 3 threads before spouting your retarded normie roid ideas
brick
Are you able to explain this free radicals from DNP causing cataracts shit?
I've been able to find sweet fuck all in terms of actually papers on it.
Looooooads of people on the internet parroting how if a woman uses dnp she's 100% getting cataracts and men are just a case of family history.
Pretty sure cataracts can be non-hereditary so that makes 0 sense to me.
Break it down with some big colourful crayons?
We've talked about this before but I don't remember wtf your sources were so after exhausting my moderate searching abilities I come to you.
Watched one punch fella. Instantly thought of jm. That goofy bald bastard.
Thanks jerry
Wot
>>37504391
Here's a four letter word that'll melt your worries away
Y O L O
O
L
O
Only got one life so fuck it lets get blind and shredded
>>37504169
>>37504188
>>37504300
>>37504325
>>37502944
why do these girls always wear their baseball caps so low over their eyes with their hair down in a pseudo ponytail or braid?
>>37504392
Was JM named after the JM press because fuckhueg triceps?
>>37504418
Saved
>>37504423
No jm is named after the notorious bum driller juan marco.
>>37504421
Because she doesn't want people to see the goofy ass face she's making.
>>37504409
this chick trains at my gym...
>>37504444
Jerrbears of truth.
You hit it yet?
>>37504391
r/peds/wiki/dnp
>>37504421
don't know, don't care
well more accurately my dick doesn't care
>>37504443
MOM
MOM
I SEE COOTER
>>37504459
Stop making me self conscious. Take your vagina shaming and swerve.
>>37504457
Pfft
People like that have bodybuilders for boyfriends. I'm on like, the opposite end of the spectrum... I guess you could call me a bodydestructor
>>37504494
>People like that have bodybuilders for boyfriends. I'm on like, the opposite end of the spectrum... I guess you could call a bodydestructor
Why you still small tiny tim?
You guys that blast and cruise how often do you hcg? Any worries for when you wanna eventually come off?
>>37504459
I will literally come back and ask further questions if I don't get my answers there kek
>>37504343
Check and a big check
I only just finished a course of antibiotics about two weeks ago
Tho I had no problems before the antibiotics.
>>37504506
>That pic
Fuckin kek
>>37504506
Im not exactly 'small'. Im 267lbs @ just over 6'1. I've benched 278lbs before though... if its any consolation
>>37504513
Literally never
>Eventually come off
See above
>>37504513
Nah I picked up scrote weights so my balls will return to natty faster. Im afraid to use them too much otherwise my balls will hang lower than my dick.
>>37504535
That's not so good.
>>37504513
>>37504418
i like your handwriting. did you do that with a computer mouse or some type of pad?
>>37504278
I did 500 test e 350 tren a weekly and 30mg sdrol daily, 4 weeks of this gave me like 1 1/2 years worth it natty gains + I lost fat while eating 6k+ calories daily
>>37504546
Don't worry, I tell myself I am a fat disgusting piece of trash every day. Sometimes other people do too
guys I've got a problem, been in a relationship for roughly 1 year, I love my girlfriend but the urge of fucking other girls is pretty high, what do?
>>37504568
Why not cut? Generally this fixes the problem.
>>37504555
mspaint, crayon brush, and a mouse
>>37504574
make a fucking decision and accept the consequences like a man
>>37504574
Just fuck other girls and don't tell about it your so-called gf.
>>37504558
You're a fantastic responder or I fucking suck at roids
Possibly both
>>37504602
that was basically my first cycle lol, did about 4 weeks of test only and then said fuck it I wanna get HOOOGE
>>37504583
I'll get back to you on that one...
I'm doing so much wrong this blast I'm not sure exactly what's responsible
Running "600" cheap ass budget homebrew test
Having zero problems with estro except for being emotional
Using letro as an AI because I was planning on 3g test and ran out of asin
.625 letro e3d has me feeling good, no low estro symptoms aside from some dry skin around jaw and chin
So my question is what fucking dose of test am I actually running? I have fewer estro symptoms on "600" of this test than 300 UGL yet have less low estro symptoms than on 500 UGL with 12mg asin eod
Getting bloods done asap but it probably won't be for at least another 3 week
>>37504574
You either;
-Become mentally & emotionally strong, and loyal.
-Become easily seduced and weak to perversion.
Both have their pro's & cons
>>37504646
I'm at a point in my life where I have to make this decision
Been towing the line a long time
>>37504423
JM stands for juice machine
srs
what could I run year round that's not quite a blast and not a cruise either
something that I wouldn't need(much) AI for either
>>37504760
300 mg tren 200 test
>>37504816
Rip lipids
Rip cholesterol
>>37504760
>>37504902
This sickkunt endo reckons most people can run 600 test pretty much indefinitely without issue
Forget which vid but he's said it at least twice
Dr Rand, Coach approved
>>37504943
https://youtu.be/BPJOVlGLZxc
Forgot link
>>37504278
A lot of this depends on your current level of adaptation, your body's responsiveness to PEDs, and how well you've matched your intake to that responsiveness.
If you're completely new to lifting, and doing a moderate amount and type of drug, the difference might not be noticeable. 3 months maybe.
On the other hand, one of the reasons people do PEDs at all is to achieve results they could never achieve without them. If you're, I don't know, an accomplished 5 year lifter doing a perfect cycle, the answer to your question as framed is "more than forever".
>>37502729
that feel when you went on for 5 months instead of 3 and you now have to wait 5 months until your next blast. It's so long and cold without my little baby tren miss u bby
>>37505084
>he fell for the cruise part of the blast and cruise meme
let's all get shredded while this mommas boi wastes away right guys
>>37505084
You only cruise until your bloods are back to relatively normal levels before blasting again. There's nothing that says it has to be a 1:1 ratio.
Why is it that some days I just wake up BLOATED AS FUCK?
Like my face literally looks like I am 25% bf, even though I am 13% at the very most, while yesterday it wasn't like this at all.
not getting estro sides so i don't think it's that
on 250 test 500 tren
>>37505420
Shitty diet. Poor electrolyte balance. Your Tren is deca.
>>37505427
nope definitely real tren
and probably shit diet. i binged like fuck yesterday sort of. got like 1600 of my cals from shit ass food like poptarts and bread and sugar instead of real food
>>37504325
whats the complete email man? I could always stack that shit
>>37505476
There's this nifty thing we have in the 21st century called a website
two weeks for summer holidays
fukkkk
Thinking of trying test. The pastebin says to always use pharma grade ancilleries, but how am I suppose to obtain pharma grade?
http://pastebin.com/ys7xXYkL
>>37505677
you don't always need to use pharma wtf?
from my experience it is just more expensive for no reason. if money is 0 issue for you then go for it, but i don't see the need if you are using a reputable lab.
>>37505689
Just going by the pastebin, but thanks I'll take your advice. If I wanted pharma grade I would need a prescription though?
>>37505437
well there you go
Back to splitting 1 injection into both biceps. Slin pins are nice but fuckishly hard to press down. Much better than tricep pins, tho.
If I take accutane can I take roids without worrying about backne getting worse?
>>37505926
No, and you'll also worry about your skin being fucked and your liver getting upset with you
>>37505955
>no
why
i see posts all the time from people saying accutane cured 100% of their acne
>>37505960
Do you understand what accutane is and how it works? Or how acne from steroids can be caused? Don't just start popping pills on top of pills to mitigate possible sides, look for the root cause and fix that.
>>37505978
My problem is that I already have pretty bad acne on my back and some on my face without taking anything.
Are you saying if I take accutane and cure it but then start taking test-e for example it'll reappear?
>>37505734
You can buy pharma gear illegally
>>37502729
Why is it that if a chick chooses to identify as a male she can get Test Injections but if a male correctly identifies as a male he's told to go fuck himself?
>>37506123
Dad stop yur embarassing me
>>37506123
Why is it that this same rhetoric is parroted endlessly by newfags on their first cycle?
pls help /fraud/.
recently came across anastrozole (brand name: ameridex)
supposed to inhibit estrogen thereby increasing test.
you need a prescription to buy it legally but i was wondering if anyone here has bought it from somewhere online? ideally anyone in uk?
>>37506336
>supposed to inhibit estrogen thereby increasing test.
no
>>37506336
more info:
http://roguehealthandfitness.com/aromatase-inhibitors/
>>37506351
"Aromatase inhibitors work to boost T by decreasing the production of estrogens, especially estradiol, the most potent estrogen. Since estradiol feeds back on natural T production, inhibiting it, lowering estradiol levels results in an increase in T. "
>>37506004
Try 500% Vitamin A a day and report in 2 weeks. Might be a deficiency problem like I did.
>>37506357
it doesnt work the way you think it does.
>>37502729
>anavar
>dbol
>tbol
>anadrol
which should i add to my test and npp cycle? would probably only take oral for 4-6weeks. looking to gain quality mass
GO
>>37506393
valuable comments anon thank you
>>37506357
Decreasing of estrogen just allows more free testosterone to be in your system that is naturally produced. It doesnt make your body produce more.
>>37506407
100drol
25-50dbol
>>37506413
that's still good though
>>37506407
>looking to gain quality mass
adrol
>>37506410
dude.
crashing your estro really isnt a smart thing to do.
if you want to "boost" your test, just pin test.
>>37506430
from the article linked above
"The dosage is one-half milligram twice a week, which is quite low. Estradiol is necessary even in men, with things like bone composition depending on it, so you don’t want to drive it too low or abolish it altogether."
i'm aware it wouldn't be close to the effectiveness of roids
>>37502816
>implying you don't find boyish bodies attractive
asking again because i never got an answer last time. anything I need to know before hopping off the bicycle for boot camp? just PCT as normal or anything special I need to do because I'll be off cycle for up to like 6 months?
rip gains
>>37506428
But it is negligible in terms of bodybuilding effects and can be detremental to mass building with low estro levels. If you are looking for increasing test, it really means you have to start pinning or taking those Adrogel pills.
>>37506454
goodluck to you lol
>>37504051
name is literally in the pic
>>37506423
>>37506430
what are sides on drol like? was keen on it but heard you need to run nolva with it
>>37506486
>what are sides on drol like?
watchout for bp
>was keen on it but heard you need to run nolva with it
adrol is weird when it comes to estro.
it doesnt aromatise but it is estrogenic.
also increases the aromatisation rate of other compounds (iirc)
just keep estro in check and you'll be fine
>>37506502
ty for help bro.
>would rep
blood pressure would probably be from estro. but thanks for advice
>>37506466
it's a small, easy to maintain edge and there aren't many such edges for otherwise natty dudes
i don't really see any negatives of trying everything there is
>>37506454
It wont do anything at all
Anything positive anyways
>>37506571
i'm prepared to believe you but do you have a source
>>37506357
you'd have to have medium high test levels and be able to triple it to have any noticeable gains and arimidex won't do that
if you're fat and have low test it might solve your problem and increase test to normal levels but then again just cutting weight and having healthy living habits would do the same
>>37504443
>No jm is named after the notorious bum driller juan marco.
Juice Machine.
So is the short ester = better for shreds a meme or can I just stick to my long esters.
>>37504902
Shit bye bye clearnet dnp sources
http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm505921.htm
>>37506628
not a meme
>>37506588
appreciate the explanation
>>37506454
No you need to take estradiol
Helps your joints, your skin, your gains.
They literally give meat cattle estradiol for them to gain mass.
As long as you don't take an anti androgen like spironolactone with it there's no downside
>>37506570
Unless you are olympic weight lifting for competition that drug tests, then id understand, but if not, then you really are wasting money on it. You should rather look into peptides/SARMS if you arent trying to pin.
>>37506641
doesn't that only apply to like websites that no one orders from anyway? like it won't actually affect any of our sources with just email contacts right?
>>37506653
Exactly, just get your glands removed and then blast tren and estrogen for those sick cattle gains.
>>37506581
Ten years of doing shit mostly incorrectly
>>37506675
Emails are good they seized the domains but yeah pretty sure they were ones that retards would find not someone actually doing research into finding sources.
>>37506570
It's snowing anticancer drug
Of course there are sides
Look at how many people drop adex when fighting cancer
It's retarded
>>37506641
RIP cheapviagra.net
>>37506336
ok i won't bother thanks for all the responses friends
>>37506570
if you consider "making less gains but having a higher number on your blood test" an edge, go ahead
but otherwise id recommend against it
>>37506700
makes sense, those were the same dumbasses that killed themselves
>>37506628
definitely a meme ime
and it doesnt make sense at all in theory either
>>37502859
Half life of DNP? 38 hours?
>>37506795
yeah like 36. pretty fuckin long, that's how idiots die.
guys, today it happened, i snapped at someone
>do diddlys in powerrack (my gym has no diddly platform)
>mirror in front of me
>looks something like pic related, but there are 3 powerracks in a row, instead of only one
>in the middle of my set
>random guy walks IN FRONT of the mirror where I'm deadlifting
>I lose my shit
>slam the weight on the ground
>start yelling at the guy
>everyone looking at me
>gym employee comes over
>can't calm down
>other guy leaves quietly
>gym employee is a somewhat good friend
>didn't get kick out
>the anger fueld my diddlys
>>37506938
pretty autistic anon
>>37506938
die asshole
>>37506938
autism
>>37506938
how many pl8s
>>37506764
>definitely a meme ime
>and it doesnt make sense at all in theory either
Ya that's what I figured too. As long as you inject e3d with a long ester your bloods will be damn near as stable as ed with a short ester.
>>37506146
I wish I could get a cycle, unfortunately, I'm a male.
Also I'm poor.
>>37506938
Pretty plebe to lose control of yourself. Worst I do is give someone the death glare at the gym.
>>37506956
>>37506963
>>37506973
there was no reason at all for him to walk the way, he could have went behind the mirrors or behind me, or chose another path. it's not like it was the only way to get where he wanted
>>37506975
195kg
>>37506938
Wew lad
So is masteron worth it? I am mainly concerned about wrecking my hair although I do have several hundred 5mg fina tabs on hand.
how much of a surplus should you aim for on tren? and what kind of macro split?
i'm on around a 500 surplus and 35 protein 15 fat 50 carbs atm
>>37507052
fina doesnt work against losing hair from masteron/tren/winny etc.
it just keeps test from converting to dht
havent tried mast myself but most ppl tend to like it unless their hair gets rekt
>>37507063
>using percentages for macros
dont do this
1 g protein/lb of body weight
~50 g fat
rest carbs
surplus depends on how fast you want to gain which in turn depends on how fat you can tolerate getting, your dosages, and how advanced you are
>>37507070
>fina doesnt work against losing hair from masteron/tren/winny etc.
I don't understand the science behind it to be honest but a few years ago my hair was thinning while on a tren and deca blast and I started taking 5mg fina/day. Problem solved. Then I drop down to 1mg/day or less on a cruise.
>>37507086
really only 1g of protein per body weight? i've been getting at least double that.
i seriously do not want to get fat at all.
the broscience i've seen states that if you eat clean on tren you can gain muscle and lose a little fat at the same time, i just don't see what kind of diet is specified for this.
>it's funny how all of the arguments about mutagenic oxidative stress, carcinogenic effects, etc are all working off of theoretical frameworks with no real epidemiological grounding
>you wanna know what else is funny?
>even if it had the potential to cause cancer, the massively increased cancer cell metabolism means dnp would create runaway reactions that would lead to cell death before the oxidative stress could provoke any kind of fruitful metastatic response.
>tl;dr for dumbshits like you: unless you've got actual rigorous science backing up that claim, go get fucked with a broken broomstick
This is why I love brick; bro knows his shit.
So I've been pinning with 3/4" but only 0.3mL a time so it's been fine.
When I bump up to 1mL blast should I go in my ass a little deeper? I've always used 1 inch pins for blasting but I have so many 3/4" still.
I dunno maybe I'm being paranoid but I don't want any drips. Need all dat test.
>>37507109
Low low low fat
You burn off excess carbs
It's not that you lose fat, your bf% goes down because you didn't gain nothing but muscle
>>37507109
Look up gh15 pocket bible.
Basically on tren, diet doesn't matter much. Eat fish when you're hungry, broccoli and pineapple, some ice cream sometimes.
>>37507128
>It's not that you lose fat, your bf% goes down because you didn't gain nothing but muscle
yeah that's how i had a suspicion in my mind that it works from the way i've read about it burning off carbs.
I am basically eating 0 fat besides for what's present in chicken breast and brown rice
>>37507089
glad it worked but according to my understanding fina works like an ai but for 5 alpha reductase rather than aromatase
>>37507109
according to the science you literally never need more protein than that
general consensus is 1-1.5 g/kg of bw for maximum muscle gains but since that was tested on natties i like to keep a solid margin of error
aim for like a 500 kcal surplus in the beginning id say, adjust as needed
eating "clean" in my experience just means eating lots of protein, low-moderate fat, and high (often complex) carbs
>>37507149
the gh15 bible is fucking ridiculous lol
>>37507149
i looked up this bible...
why does it start off saying retarded shit like tren ace is better than tren e when they are the same exact fucking thing except for the ester?
actually why is this such a common thing to say?
>>37507157
So how much mast should I run. I can get mast enth 200mg/ml or mast prop 100mg/ml. My upcoming blast is gonna be 150 test 400 tren 150 deca. I am thinking of buying one bottle of mast prop and adding it in at the end just to see what happens. Probably 100mg/eod
>>37507177
Probably because of the ester weight and faster reaction time.
A "hits faster and harder so it must be stronger "
Muh 5mg more tren per ml!
>>37507218
probably like 50-75 mg ed
Can China be a reliable place for test-e?
Im assuming thats where most of the people get it from so its cutting the middleman.
>>37507227
Technically it is stronger per mg because of the Ester weight
Like it matters though
>>37507218
Rip hair
>tfw afraid of fina
>>37507157
>according to the science you literally never need more protein than that
>general consensus is 1-1.5 g/kg of bw for maximum muscle gains but since that was tested on natties i like to keep a solid margin of error
Yeah... but if you need 3000 calories of food, I'd rather over consume protein than carbs or fat. 2g per pound isn't unheard of
>>37507227
if i remember right tren ace is 83mg tren per 100mg of tren ace, and tren e is 75mg per 100mg i think? almost no difference
so much of this roid bullshit is based on people being retarded, it is annoying. like you said it's probably cuz it hits them faster i guess. i buy tren E to save money since it's wayyyy cheaper where I can get it.
>>37507250
Tbf the gh15 guys have accomplished way more than any of us have in the bodybuilding world (supposedly). Sometimes textbook knowledge is limited, though I rarely, if ever, endorse anecdotal evidence
>>37507245
if you mean raws yeah if you enjoy getting controlled deliveried and treated as a distributor
>>37507248
why? its much more expensive than carbs and is just going to turn into carbs via gluconeogenesis anyway
and its hard on the intestines as well
Fug I think I crashed my e2. Knuckle joints hurt and no libido.
JUST
>>37507017
why you need a mirror, you a girl?
>195kg
yeah you're a girll
>>37507287
Excess carbs and I have a very fucked up relationship. Besides I'm not convinced I only need 1g/lbs
>>37507246
>Rip hair
That's what I am afraid of =/
>tfw afraid of fina
I think a lot of the fear mongering around fina is BS. I have been using it for a few years now and I'm still a sexy healthy beast.
>>37507291
>Fug I think I crashed my e2.
>no libido
I actually get more horny when I crash my e2. I dunno wtf is wrong with me
>>37507316
yeah youre probably the one special snowflake that needs more protein than every other human being on the planet
whatever, its not like it actually matters anyway
>>37507316
I've seen tests done on a 220lb lean 58 year old showing he maintained a positive nitrogen balance with only 125g protein at maintenance cals.
Carbs and fats are protein sparing. If you're not eating very low cals, protein at 125g is enough.
>>37507381
I'm not saying I'm special, I just think I have insulin issues or something.
>>37507402
>125g
That would def save me some money
>>37507331
I took fina and couldn't get a boner for like 3 months after I stopped. Rip
Why am I constantly hypoglycemic on tren? I know blah blah blah it burns carbs but I literally just ate around an hour and a half ago and I am hypo as fuck already.
>>37507741
and no i dont have fucking beetus, I got tested for it before I had surgery a couple months ago.
>>37507733
That shit wrecks some people permanently. Heard of a lot of guys getting TRT after taking it.
>>37507700
"insulin issues" doesnt mean you need more than twice as much protein as everyone else
>>37507813
Why do all the pro bodybuilders and shit eat so much protein then if you only need 1g per lb? Seems retardedly low to me
>>37507733
Were you natty or enhanced when you took fina?
How would I know if I am losing hair from gear? Been cruising on test since the end of january and been on tren for probably a month or so now. I'm running my hands through my hair and combing it and not a single piece of hair is coming out.
Would I be losing hair yet if I was predisposed to it?
>>37507875
It was a slow process for me. I gradually thought to myself that my hair was thinning but never said anything to anyone. Then a friend of mine said my hair was looking thinner so I jumped on fina and minoxidil and things like biotin and silica.
Now I just take 1mg fina on a cruise and usually 5mg on a blast. I am currently not even taking fina just to see what happens. It's only been about 5 days. I don't even think I need it on a cruise honestly.
>>37507250
Because tren (and talking REAL tren, not the trenpp or half cut shit most of the guys here seem to be on) hormone fluctuations cause shittier sides than most other AAS, so it's something you want to be able to drop immediately if it becomes a problem or, if possible, avoid it due to more frequent pinning with a shorter ester.
WOW IT'S LIKE IT MAKES SENSE NOW
>>37507827
Protein has a higher thermic effect per gram
Anti-catabolism (obviously)
mTOR pathways like protein to operate
Amino acids are kinda pretty well vital for certain things
Gluconeogenesis can occur to make up for lack of carbs
Bodybuilders pushing supplements
Going ass-overboard with carbs isn't ideal. Get as much as you need.
>>37507941
When it's thinning, did you notice it falling out or anything besides just it's appearance? That's the side I am most afraid of, losing my hair.
>>37508067
Ya in the shower it seemed like it was falling out a lot faster for a few months before it became visibly noticeable to myself and others. Don't be too paranoid about it. You will know if it starts to happen and you have time to correct it. It takes months, it's not like all your hair falls out in a week.
Brehs found a big booty Lebanese qt that goes to the same school as me and lifts. Her boyfriend is some skinny dude though.
For those who used tren or are using tren, are the sides this much bad? Sweating, insomnia, tren cough, etc?
>tfw you are here so much that you leave for a couple weeks and fraud assumes you OD'D
T-thanks fags
I'm doing my first cycle
I plan on taking:
1-12 weeks: 500 mg/week test E
1-12 weeks: 12.5g/day Aromazin (pfizer)
and then on PCT just 20g/day nolvadex
Anything I should modify?
Do I need more PCT?
>>37508341
With legit, correctly dosed tren they can be a bit shitty at first. The sides generally don't get any better per se, but you learn to ignore/deal with them. My body temp stayed consistent throughout the last 8 weeks despite me feeling like my sweats/heat had gotten better.
Pregnenolone helps mitigate the insomnia. Tren cough is circumstantial - I've got it from other oils as well.
>>37508364
it's the destiny for most of us kek
>>37508364
You're welcome you fat junkie.
We love you and were worried, we might even call the cops for them to have an intervention with you
Decent face too.
>>37508364
Ey bby.
>>37508341
depends on the dose
and ppl tend to tolerate the sides at very varying degrees
>>37508405
400 tren and 250 test per week is a good dose? For a first time using tren
>>37508341
Not a tren user but I can still tell you sides are going to vary largely from person to person
You might hit bingo and get em all in full force or you might get a couple mildly
Certainly they're worth it to many people, and it's not a big deal especially in contrast to the results
But the only way to find out is to...
Dun dun dun
Try tren
Assuming you're experienced in roiding in general, wouldn't recommend it off the bat
It's like asking if doing test is going to make you bald or give you acne and if it's that bad
>>37508121
>>37508419
The booty on that Lebanese baby please
is trenorol snake oil?
>>37508408
Kek yeah I noticed it's either OD'D or jail whenever someone fucks off.... bright futures all around
>>37508412
I love myself too much to die so easily b-baka
>>37508419
Eyyyy
>>37508440
I'll try it, and if I dont support the sides I'll stop it and continue with test only
>>37508470
What tipped you off?
Key
>>37508479
Good luck
>>37508392
anyone?
>>37508392
buy dbol or something for first weeks and most likely don't need the aromasin every day, just have it around in hand if need
how do I into steroids?
>>37508392
dont start taking the asin as soon as you start pinning unless youre taking dbol kickstart or something
and be prepared to alter the asin dosage as well
>>37508392
That's fine. Get bloods before and after to see how your recovery goes
>>37508533
you dont, you steroids into you
>>37508405
>pregnenolone
What's your dose? I'm taking 12.5mg.
>>37508503
Don't do 12.5g you fucking nutter!
Seems fine, maybe get some extra nolva/ralox incase you get some gyno
>>37508529
>>37508534
Meh, I don't want huge gains, I think Test E will be enough. Less side effects to worry about.
Can you guys elaborate on the dosages then?
Also, do I need both clomid and nolva?
>>37508575
Go research more because you dont know what your doing.
>>37508605
Is not that exactly what I'm doing here now?
>>37508556
25mg at the moment. I used 50mg and felt fucking incredible, but I started getting gyno flare ups without altering anything else - so dropped it for 2 weeks, reintroduced at 25mg and havent noticed any nipple sensitivity since. It could be unrelated, but who knows. Definitely great for those who have been on long, extended blast and cruise protocols.
>>37508533
>>37508543
seriously though. So I just drive over to TJ or what? Can I get a doctor to prescribe it?
>>37508629
/r/steroids
they'll help you learn
>legitimate advice
>>37508613
Your asking 4chan, a place of shitposting and memes, youll end up dead if you take advice/research here.
Anavar or Tren for lean gains/cutting?
>>37508653
But people with first hand experience are the ones you should listen to
>>37508619
I did notice a difference in sleep and energy from 12.5mg. I think I'll stick with low(150-250mg) test + pregnenolone, along with non aromatizing roids(plus nandrolone) from now on.
I'll bump it up to 25mg tomorrow.
>>37508619
Do you take it sublingual or transdermal ?
>>37508643
no joke, don't use reddit, don't know how to use reddit
>>37508686
take 5 minutes and learn, its annoying at first because of the dog shit lay out but the stuff they have over there is very helpful especially for someone initially wanting to learn.
>>37508405
I've never gotten tren cough so far around a month in with tren e, but I am HOT AS FUCK all the time and very very lethargic, and extremely irritable and pissed off all the time.
Sounds legit right? On 500 a week
