>2.5 dozen eggs can be had for less than $2
why are you not eating more eggs? cheap bulking with protein and omega 3 fats.
Because I care about my heart
>>37495357
Cuck-adoodle-doo
>>37495288
Grown men just drink a couple of cartons of pic related everyday.
because i allready eat 12 a day
i eat enough eggs
Is 5 daily enough? My frying pan is already getting kind of overworked I think six would make them cook unevenly
>>37495386
MORE MEALS
>>37495353
ur dumb
you prob follow this also
>tons of cholesterol, 42:1 ratio between omega 3 and saturated fat, more calories and bioaccumulated industrial pollutants and pesticides per mg of omega 3 than pretty much anything else
>"omega 3 fats"
shitty bait thread
>>37495393
>low fat
>most fruits are high sugar so high in carbs
>eat 8-15 "servings" of carbs a day
Holy fuck, how could nutritionists in the past fuck up this bad?
>>37495447
watch this documentary
>>37495288
>5600mg cholesterol for $2
Have fun with with your heart-attack
>>37495396
>dietary cholesterol is bad
did you use a time machine or cryogenic freezing to come here from the 70s?
>>37495447
or read this book
>>37495288
>buying shitty disgusting factory-farmed eggs
Glad im not a poorfag
>>37495447
they assumed people weren't horribly sedentary. carbs aren't evil, what's with the decades-old momscience in this thread?
>>37495487
You mean you are a poor fag for buying super expensive "GMO" "free range" eggs.
the best marketing campaign ever
>>37495499
when people's diets are 90% simple carbs, yes they are evil.
Whether you bowl oats is bad isn't the question
>>37495500
No, i mean i'm not poor.
I care about groundwater pollution, ethical treatment of the animals that provide us our gains, and supporting a farmer 20 miles from my house instead of some jew megacorporation, so $3/dozen is nothing to me.
Enjoy your disgusting shit-tier eggs
>>37495500
If you weren't so poor that you had never even eaten a good egg, you would know that there is a massive difference.
>>37495560
spending more money = rich
you're literally the fitness version of being nigger rich
learn 2 finance poor fag
>>37495357
>what is free run?
>>37495583
No, it's well worth it as i explained.
For one, the reasons for purchase have not been refuted, and i didnt even mention quality or taste.
Secondly, $3 is nothing to me. If you think that hurts my pocketbook or my life in any way you are pathetically poor.
>>37495603
send me $3 now :)
>>37495630
No.
>>37495603
could you spare me $3 rich man
>>37495481
>Eggs are bad for your heart
What?
Is this true?
I eat 5 scrambled style every day. Should I cut down on eggs?
>>37497223
Do 1 egg yolk, 5 egg whites
Too many egg yolks will fuck your cholesterol up
>>37495288
Eggs, especially the shitty eggs you get for $2, are not a good source of omega-3
>>37495477
Also you're retarded if you take this comedy movie seriously
>>37495486
>Gary Taubes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QImWYirF0es&index=1&list=PLv3QDzdxan_JkGX47Rpboyh2oYyAFZDBA
>>37497223
Congrats you eat 250% of your daily recommended intake of cholesterol, you are well on your way to hardening arteries which have fun side effects like back pain, erectile dysfunction, and sudden death!
>>37495518
>when people's diets are 90% simple carbs, yes they are evil.
Is that what the food pyramid says? Make refined sugars 90% of your diet?
>>37495288
>muh why
Because I'd rather eat salmon, ribeye steaks, and scallops, and can afford to do so.
>>37495353
>doesn't have good cholesterol genes
>not turning all that dietary cholest into mighty test
lmaoing at yr life
>>37497337
>broscience
>>37495393
Yeah, how dare those nerds tell people to eat healthy whole grains and fruit. How anti-intellectual of them. They should appreciate the need to mistake science for some colorful "muh feelings" disney adventure just like fad diet book authors and documentarists do and promote fatty junk food instead!
I eat 28 eggs a week. Come at me bro
>>37497223
No. Earlier this year the consensus became that eggs are fine and they're removing cholesterol from nutrition facts since dietary cholesterol is a non-factor.
>>37497428
>I eat 28 eggs a week. Come at me bro
200% of your drv cholesterol per day
have fun with your erectile dysfunction and sudden death
>>37497502
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-brown/cholesterol-dietary-confu_b_7041098.html
>We should not let the pendulum swing all the way back to where it was earlier, when saturated fat and dietary cholesterol intakes were very high. The current U.S. mean intake of dietary cholesterol is 273 mg/day. This is well below the earlier recommendation to consume less than 300 mg/day that had previously been determined from rigorous research on diet and cholesterol. As we know, though, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
>The take-home is that just because dietary cholesterol is no longer a “nutrient of concern,” it does not mean we should forget about the problems it can cause. An apt analogy is that just because we know dark chocolate has some heart-health benefits, it does not mean people should eat 10 bars a day.
>>37497502
No, that's just what the media spun it into. The final decision of the USDA was to remove the specific number limit, but reinforce that people should eat as little dietary cholesterol as possible in the context of a nutritionally adequate diet.
http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/chapter-1/a-closer-look-inside-healthy-eating-patterns/
>The Key Recommendation from the 2010 Dietary Guidelines to limit consumption of dietary cholesterol to 300 mg per day is not included in the 2015 edition, but this change does not suggest that dietary cholesterol is no longer important to consider when building healthy eating patterns. As recommended by the IOM,[24] individuals should eat as little dietary cholesterol as possible while consuming a healthy eating pattern
>>37497543
>An apt analogy is that just because we know dark chocolate has some heart-health benefits, it does not mean people should eat 10 bars a day.
That's not really an apt analogy since dietary cholesterol doesn't have any known health benefits
>>37495393
i mostly agree with the pyramid.
>>37495357
what are u trying to show me? whats wrong with this pic?
>>37497543
>>37497559
How does any of this mean that eating 5 eggs a day isn't fine?
>>37497701
Eating 5 eggs a day would be closer to "eating as much dietary cholesterol as possible" than "eating as little dietary cholesterol as possible"
>>37497633
oh noes animal cruelty
Because a dozen free range eggs here cost 5 bucks at least
>>37497714
What kind of logic is this? Eating more than 0 eggs is closer to "eating as much dietary cholesterol as possible" than "eating as little dietary cholesterol as possible". Are you another fucking vegan trying to scaremonger people away from eggs?
Both of the huffpo and the health.gov pieces talk more about the dangers of a diet high in saturated in combination with cholesterol. I wouldn't advise someone to eat lots of eggs if I thought their diet was high in saturated fats, cholesterol and they lived a sedimentary lifestyle but I doubt that's how the /fit/izen lives.
>>37495288
Because I live in Canada and eggs cost me $5/doz
>>37497843
The recommendation is "eat as little dietary cholesterol as possible" and you're asking why eating 5 eggs, each of which has about 200mg of dietary cholesterol, coming from a history of 300mg/d being the max allowed in a day from all sources (you aren't just eating eggs) wouldn't be fine. Eggs aren't even low in saturated fat. 5 large eggs is 7.5g saturated fat as well.
>>37497701
Absence of evidence that it is? Not one population on the planet with low disease eats like that. You're a guinea pig, bro. When the data comes in on all these new low carb shitters in a few decades like it did with asbestos and PCBs we'll know.
>>37497539
Where's your evidence that your dietary cholesterol had anything to do with ED? That's right, there is none.
>>37498130
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/123/21/e609.full
Because I have chicken that literally shit them.
>>37498213
>http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/123/21/e609.full
>Surprisingly, ED might be a sign of heart problems.
>Might
>>37498213
I'm not the guy you're replying to, but stop, just stop. You have no idea what you're talking about. If you're trolling, then shame on me. If not, educate yourself.
>>37498278
Poor artery health can cause ED but so can psychological factors.
![dfd[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/nMfdcvQ.png "dfd[1].png")
>>37498281
>Like, get educated! It's 2016! Please stop!
>>37497843
>sedimentary lifestyle
I hear it rocks
>>37497701
I ate a dozen eggs a day, 5x a week, for over a year and had perfect cholesterol.
I'll take my personal experience over the fucktards at the USDA any day.
Remember when sugar was evil?
Remember when fat was evil?
Remember when salt was evil?
Remember when carbs were evil?
Remember when they restructured the recommended intake of food groups every decade?
Fuckers can't make up there mind. If you can grow it or kill it, then fucking eat it. Try to minimize everything else.
>>37497543
>>37497559
Stay mad whitescucks
I live in the Netherlands, where the food advice center admits dietary cholesterol plays no role in vascular disease. Have fun with your shitty "health" lobby.
>>37498372
Yeah, science is retarded. Let's do things based on our feelings instead.
Out of curiosity, what were your cholesterol numbers?
>>37497264
>Also you're retarded if you take this comedy movie seriously
Which part don't you take seriously? Don't say, "All of it" if you didn't even watch it.
Here's a critical scene where he points out how misleading Super Size Me was. The math is solid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccdfzq2M1Ec
>>37495288
>tfw eat 2 superior duck eggs per day
>>37498372
Isn't salt still evil?
All dat dere water retention fucken yo ab definition.
>>37498394
The whole "heart disease is a government conspiracy, an evil scientists tricked the world for 5 decades and now a stand-up comedian is here to tell you the truth. Also please don't investigate this on your own, just trust us that it's all true"
Fucking Ancient Aliens is more credible than that movie
>>37495357
All that protein.
>tfw eating 5 scrambled eggs with cheese every morning on a cut
>tfw low bp and cholesterol
>tfw cutting fat fast as fuck
stay mad vegan cucks
>>37498466
Nice, what's your bp and cholesterol numbers?
>>37498430
He didn't say that, straw man.
Be specific.
>>37498528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4
Too many fallacies to count and a ridiculous mistelling of the history of diet-heart research, saying scientists (who would have also been competing with their own theories) were all tricked by an evil man who published false data to push an anti-saturated fat agenda.
This youtube channel has good videos about this crazy accusation that's told by low-carb quacks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDwjkv1FW5g
>>37495373
wish we had that here
>>37495288
Where the hell do you go for that many eggs at such a cheap price? For $3 if be lucky to get a dozen
>>37497428
same here.4x a day
>>37498385
Le scientists are impervious to corruption! Let's praise our scientist overlords!
>>37495288
Because the macros are not that good.
The calories are 35%P, 63%F, 2%C. Meh.
>>37498608
I can't look at YouTubes right now. However....
I will admit he didn't explain the lipid hypothesis correctly. The error that he should have explained was the severe tunnel vision than Ancel Keys had.
This blog seems to explain it objectively:
https://rawfoodsos.com/2011/12/22/the-truth-about-ancel-keys-weve-all-got-it-wrong/
>>37498385
Health sciences in general are not as clear cut as, say, chemistry or physics.
For instance, did you know dietary cholesterol doesn't even affect blood cholesterol for a large percentage of people? And that not all cholesterol is bad anyway? And that now nutritionists and dieticians are questioning whether there is such a thing as HDL and LDL?
All of this is irrelevant anyway since cholesterol is far less important when it comes to cardiovascular disease than saturated and trans fats.
Nobody denies that the sky is blue or that potassium and water cause an explosive reaction. But well-respected and credible health experts disagree on fucking everything. And that it's undeniable that every few years there's some new nutritional boogeyman, usually spun by the media.
Look at this fucking article published just a few days ago.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/06/health/fat-is-back-eat-like-a-mediterranean/
>You don't need to be afraid of fat in food anymore
>Fat is back, new research shows.
Determining what's healthiest isn't as straightforward as studying lines on a spectogram.
>>37495288
if you're a man you need to watch out for high cholsterol
srs
>>37497543
>huff puff post
don't ruin your argument like that
>>37498425
>Isn't salt still evil?
No
Just drink water and piss it out
>>37495288
fuck you. where i live, they're about 5 bucks for 12.
>>37495393
Looking back on that I can't believe how fucking dumb it is. It must have been created to sway the populace towards the consumption of grains and boost grain sales.
No one from any time period would ever tell you that Wheat is what you should eat the most for health. If you suggested so they'd look at you like you were nuts and tell you that someone wants you to think the diet of a broke ass peasant is a glorious.
>>37495357
I thought only roosters had that shit on thier heads?
>>37495357
>>37495357
the hippie inside me feels for those poor chickens, try to buy cage free when i can but damn expensive
Omg /fit/ you drive me fucking crazy.
I eat at least 1 egg a day, hardboiled. Maybe 2 on a weekend day. It fits my macros. Do I have to worry about this?
>>37495481
As someone with a blood cholesterol level of 405 (between 300-405 since I was a child) I gotta tell you that diet does jack shit to that number. Statins (cholesterol medication) would be ineffective in changing that number more than 25 points. Don't eat meats? No change. Don't eat carbs? No change. Cut out all fats? No change. Why?
I have Familial Hypercholesterolemia which is a genetic disorder that means my cholesterol levels are naturally in the 300-500's.
The body builds blood cholesterol out of proteins it gathers from the food you eat. A process in the body signals the creation of cholesterol. If I some how ate a disk of matter that was soley comprised of cholesterol, I wouldn't change my blood levels at all.
But get this....people with my "disorder" have the exact same life expectancy rates as regular people. The scientists studying my disorder and tracking a population of families with the disorder (over generations) found no evidence whatsoever for higher risks of heart disease or a lower life expectancy than regular folks. However, those who took statin drugs had lower life expediencies and had more heart attacks. The study built to search for a connection between heart disease and high cholesterol levels found no connection. The scientists concluded that heart disease comes from some other environmental factor. They proposed another study be done to check the effects of sugar intake and heart disease as the countries influx of easily accessible and cheap sugar was the same time period that heart disease began to rise.
Don't believe that cholesterol bullshit. Stop spreading those myths.
pic unrelated
>>37501512
>10/10 would bang
thanks mr skeletal
>>37501512
Sounds like you need an antipsychotic in addition to that statin.
>>37495353
Beyond saddened that there is such an incredible lack of knowledge commonplace on /fit/ these days
I've eaten 7 dozen eggs a week for 2 years. Every morning is 6 eggs+6 egg whites.
Everyday, cutting or bulking (Cutting Is 4 eggs 8 whites, bulking is 8 eggs, 4 whites)
>>37501981
Why would I need an anti psychotic?
I've summarized a study and flavored it with a unique perspective.
Cholesterol is actually really good for you
>>37495288
1 Dozen eggs is $4 in my country. Every country is different.
Think before you type.
Stupid cunt.
>>37495595
"In the United States, USDA free range regulations currently apply only to poultry and indicate that the animal has been allowed access to the outside.[3] The USDA regulations do not specify the quality or size of the outside range nor the duration of time an animal must have access to the outside."
You can literally make a door from the chicken house to a cage outside that is 3' x 3' and call your chickens "free range". Free range is a fucking meme word used to sell overpriced eggs to morons.
Buy your eggs locally if you want a shot at supporting anything resembling humane treatment of animals.
>>37497223
Dietary cholesterol has little effect on serum cholesterol.
>>37498278
>>37498318
>heart disease is linked to ED
>therefor dietary cholesterol correlates strongly to serum cholesterol which correlates to heart disease which correlates to ED
faggot
>>37501333
Yeah. Like when they used to cook meats wrapped in othermeat and stuffed.inside a crust of bread to keep it out of the ash. Then they threw away the bread and the servants ate the shitty meat wrapping. Wheat is for alcohol you morons.
>>37501512
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/5/421.full
>Familial hypercholesterolemia (FH) is an autosomal disorder characterized by increased levels of total cholesterol and low density lipoprotein cholesterol. The FH clinical phenotype has been shown to be associated with increased coronary heart disease and premature death.
lol k
>>37502143
>me trying to understand the bad correlations
>then I read your comment
>>37495357
> not eating RSPCA approved eggs
smdh
>>37495486
> Gary Taubes
Ahh yes, very impressive.
Because people really want to wade through half nonsense to get a biased review of some scientific studies.
>>37502184
>http://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/11/02/benefits-familial-hypercholesterolaemia
This outlines many studies that say otherwise.
Oh and your own article shots itself in the foot when it reviewed it's referenced material that suggested Familial Hypercholesterolemia (FH) is correlated with coronary disease. It reads as follows
"However, the early studies have two primary limitations. First, the life-table analyses for some studies included deceased relatives (35, 36). Second, index patients were selected from hospitals (34, 35, 38) or lipid clinics (36, 37), and some had a prior history of coronary heart disease or xanthomatosis.
As a result,
>"..these study subjects may have had a more severe form of FH or may have other genetic/environmental predisposing factors for coronary heart disease compared with a population-based sample."
>>37495357
>wat is free-range
>>37502590
>Uffe Ravnskov
next be sure to cite an AIDS denalist too
>>37495288
I honestly feel bad for the chickens, and it's hard to find eggs from actual "free-range" chickens for less than like $8 per dozen. The free-range label you see at supermarkets just means that they have access to the outdoors at some point each day, which means they could literally just open a door for 5 minutes then close them back in. They could still be spending 23.9 hours a day in literal piles of their own shit crammed so close together they can't move.
I still eat meat, I just feel bad about it and try to buy it from more humane farms if possible.
>>37502118
this. I've found the label "pastured" or "pasture-raised" often implies they actually had reasonable access to the outdoors and could live somewhat normal chicken lives. Hard to find though unless you're at farmer's markets.
>>37502669
>Uffe Ravnskov
was not the scientist involved in the studies referenced in my linked paper. You dislike his reputation? I don't give a fuck about reputation. He could be a UFO believer for all I care. I go by the data. Your data compromises itself and rests it's statements on "well the data is tainted by bad scientific practice but we all know it's right because it fits general consensus."
>>37497272
>Gary Taubes
He presents some good info here. The history of information he presents is more interesting to me then the hypothesized conclusion. He shows that people who eat lots of carbs derived from grain are stimulating their body to store fat through the increase in insulin.
Pretty much he proves diets like paleo, keto to be the way to go if you want to shrink fat deposits in your body.
My personal experience showed me that when I cut breads and sugars out of my diet my body changed quick as fuck. Weight dropped off of me.
>>37502734
Why would I give a shit if the chicken laying the eggs I eat gets to go outside or not? That doesn't change the eggs I eat so no one gives a fuck.
>>37498726
>https://rawfoodsos.com/2011/12/22/the-truth-about-ancel-keys-weve-all-got-it-wrong/
She says basically the same story. In reality, Ancel Keys didn't have a vendetta against fat or saturated fat, that's just what the best evidence pointed towards after more studies came in, as other scientists gradually began to agree. The consensus that saturated fat contributes to heart disease doesn't rest on the early studies of Ancel Keys. His original study finding the correlation between fat and heart disease only told us where we might look for more clues. Now we know from further investigation that saturated fats in particular are uniquely heart unhealthy because they cause an increase in circulating cholesterol levels, something not known back then.
>>37503132
Watch the linked videos. Gary Taubes is a pretty shameless liar. His version of "history" is a fictionalized story he made up for the type of people who would buy his books; people who want validation for their bad diet habits and someone else to blame for their problems.
>>37497428
I eat 8-10 eggs per day. I love them and they're so quick to make. It would be too much for someone who doesn't have my size though.
>>37502925
But he is the guy who wrote the response you're quoting, so it'd be smart to check if the guy you're posting to argue for you isn't a lunatic saying bullshit. He says his referenced studies show that in FH patients, CHD outcomes are independent from cholesterol concentrations. You should realize right away that comparing people with FH is comparing exclusively people with high cholesterol, at which level other risk factors like smoking and age are more likely to show differences. In these studies, even men in their 20s had developed heart disease, which isn't something you commonly see in people who don't have FH.
>>37503438
From the hour long presentation I watched he showed the evidence to lead to
Eat
>vegetables
>meats
>fats
>cheeses
>nuts
>fruit... except bananas and grapes.
And to lose fat stop eating sugars and carbs that spike insulin levels like grains.
Nothing he said was as extreme as you just made it out to be. So who here is the liar?
I don't believe you watched the video at all.
>>37503556
>From the hour long presentation I watched
What video are you watching? The playlist linked was a debunking of Gary Taubes' books
>>37502060
Is that bacterial conjugation?
>>37503556
thats a really cute kitty
>>37503543
The second reference of the paper is of a study that watched 96 people with FH who have normal life expediencies for their culture. Who have average levels of CHD in their group compared to the general populace. If blood level cholesterol gave 20 year olds CHD then why is their no significant observable correlation that can be pointed to besides the admittedly shit scientific method followed by the scientists your article refers to?
>>37495353
At that price, it's actually affordable to just dump the yolks and eat 12+ eggs a day
The cholesterol meme is really a chicken fat meme, apparently chicken fat just isn't good, from yolks to skin
>>37503719
I didn't post anything, someone else did.
>The second reference of the paper is of a study that watched 96 people with FH who have normal life expediencies for their culture. Who have average levels of CHD in their group compared to the general populace
Not that it'd be a good thing to have "average levels of CHD" when talking about a Swedish population in the late 60s-80s, but where does it say this? It's just looking at the small group of 96 FH patients, of which 30 died before follow-up.
In the Discussion section it says
>The CAD mortality in our FH cohort was tenfold higher in men and thirtyfold higher in women when compared with similar mortality in an age-matched normal Finnish population.26
It blamed this in part on the fact that they had FH
>>37498333
Underrated post.
>>37503586
Oh, my bad then. It was this one here >>37497272
It was quite reasonable. I'll withhold judgment on your opinion till we've heard the same stuff. I haven't watched the debunking videos but I'll check them out.
>>37504017
>It was this one here >>37497272 (You)
You've lost me. What in that link were you looking at? That post is a link to a playlist of 44 videos that look at questionable things and outright lies Gary Taubes has said in his books. I have no idea what you're telling me you watched.
>>37503613
I thought it was a neuron branching out to make another connection with it's dendriets.
Bacterial conjugation sounds really cool though
>>37504041
heh here it is.
https://youtu.be/qEuIlQONcHw
>>37504084
He does a lot of hypothesizing but doesn't like to go into evidence or address things that don't fit what he's suggesting. Apparently this cost him a debate pretty steeply.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSEVkiTCCNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRCv5RWXWx8
>tfw egg allergy
C-can I make it, boys?
>>37495288
>tfw have chickens
>tfw they poop out protein nuggets for me in exchange for cuddles and food scraps and bugs
>tfw i eat my pet's menses for gains
>tfw i sometimes get a tiny embryo the size of the head of a pin in my omelette and it creeps me the fuck out but i eat it anyway
>>37498664
You have that shit everywhere.
>>37504834
Don't the eggs have to be fertilized for that to happen?
>>37502782
Does the same apply to milk? It seems like pasteurized milk is standard around here. How much space does a cow need in the pasture?
>>37504893
Yeah. On the bright side it means lil peep friends (when i don't eat them) and too be clear im talking about a purple speck its not developed or anything
>>37495357
we have our own chickens, healthy eggs taste better
>implying i don't eat eggs daily
just bought 2 dozen for $1
fuck year
>>37495373
I tried to use that to make angel food cake for a birthday. Wound up with a angel food brick. Aparently has something to do with the pasteurization that they do.
So dont ever use that to bake with. Fine for cooking though.
